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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 387009
4/18/2008 4:14 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
I would say the next couple of days are a prime opportunity for something to go down. Military man can give you the exact details but I believe that Israel has said the peak time for a Hezbollah strike was thhis weekend. Also keep in mind that with the Pope being in the U.S. and with the Passover holiday in Israel it would be a very symbolic blow to do something during that period. IF nothing happens then I would still wait out all of Passover which runs through the 27th. We need to also keep our eyes on the U.S. and Iran as tensions have reached a boiling point there as well. If I was living in Damascus or Lebanon I would be very nervous about this time period. If Syria does do something or Hezbollah I have a feeling the response from Israel wont be soft. Military Man do you tie in the war parade that Ahmadinejad had yesterday as a sign that he is ready to unleash. I have heard that right before a war that some of those nations have parades of their military's. |
| Military Man
User ID: 265749 (OP)
4/18/2008 4:28 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
The parade was a laugh to me as Iran still does not have the best airforce. However, there is too much rhetoric going around to not think Iran has a plan that will come to pass. I agree that Hezbollah and Syria are finding it a prime time to attack Israel. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 417589
4/18/2008 4:28 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Military Man,
those weird explosions i remember that one at a syrian military base " suspious explison" last year....
and i dunno if you noticed this but on Debka last week on the hebrew site they had an article on the mosque explosion then a hour later it was gone.... very weird....
i think the israeli military censorship asked them to take it down....
Military censorship doesnt check debka they even said so in an interview in Haaretz last month....
and no attack when Bush and company are in town if they would do that Iran, Syria, and whoever else would get their asses woooped by israel america and europe ..... and the US will have war ships and subs off the coast when he is in town no doubt.... |
| Elijah  
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4/18/2008 4:31 PM
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The parade was a laugh to me as Iran still does not have the best airforce. However, there is too much rhetoric going around to not think Iran has a plan that will come to pass. I agree that Hezbollah and Syria are finding it a prime time to attack Israel. Quoting: Military Man 265749
Rhetoric is nothing new to that region. Without credibility it's just hyperbole.
I don't think Iran has earned credibility just yet, but Olmert is assuring that Israel is losing theirs.
"I screamed at God for all the starving children, and then I realized that all of the starving children were God screaming at me." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 415225
4/18/2008 4:39 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
MM - really interested in knowing about a 5th Syrian division being deployed (but understood if your source is confidential)
If there are really 5 or more Syrian divisions deployed there is no way there are going to sit out in the field for a month (may 16th date you said was the earliest Israel would initiate things), which to me means either Syria is going to get things started (doubtful, b/c they know they were get their butts handed to them) or they know Hezbollah is going to launch at attack that very well could draw Israel north and those divisions are deployed either to harass Israel in the Bekka or more likely to serve as a deterrent to any Israeli move to the east towards Syria proper.
thoughts?? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 252875
4/18/2008 4:42 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Israel's "birthday bash."
Will the 9/11 Dancing Israelis be there?
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 387009
4/18/2008 4:50 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
I was telling Military man the same thing. I don't think if Assad of Syria new that Israel wasn't going to attack until mid may that he would have his troops all camped out on the border right now. That alone tells me something is up. Also Hezbollah hasnt gotten their revenge and I believe that Barak said if Hezbollah attacks Israel will go after Syria. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 415225
4/18/2008 5:02 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
I was telling Military man the same thing. I don't think if Assad of Syria new that Israel wasn't going to attack until mid may that he would have his troops all camped out on the border right now. That alone tells me something is up. Also Hezbollah hasnt gotten their revenge and I believe that Barak said if Hezbollah attacks Israel will go after Syria. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 387009
we are definetly on the same page
that's why i'm particularly interested in getting confirmation of how many divisions it is Assad is moving around. 1 or 2 can be written off as a drill/exercise, anything more than 3 divisions (when you take into consideration the total size of syria's armed forces) is going to be seriously taxing on Syria as a whole, both economically and as far as secuirty is concerned.
Think about this. Syria is bordered on the east by Iraq, where a very potent American army is currently stationed who has threatened to use force against syria in the past for its interference in Iraq. Syria has serious internal problems with the Kurds. Just last month it was reported upwards of 10,000 soldiers were deployed to kurdish area. And even Turkey to the north has presented security problems for Syria in the not too distant past. In other words, if Assad has in reality committed half of his armored forces to the lebanese border, he leaves himself very exposed on at least 3 other fronts. Why do that, unless the threat on the Golan/Bekka valley front is VERY VERY real. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 265749 (OP)
4/18/2008 5:02 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
If there are really 5 or more Syrian divisions deployed there is no way there are going to sit out in the field for a month (may 16th date you said was the earliest Israel would initiate things), which to me means either Syria is going to get things started (doubtful, b/c they know they were get their butts handed to them) or they know Hezbollah is going to launch at attack that very well could draw Israel north and those divisions are deployed either to harass Israel in the Bekka or more likely to serve as a deterrent to any Israeli move to the east towards Syria proper.
thoughts?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 415225
The consideration that troops cannot remain in the feld for too long is a variable that makes me think things may come sooner verses later, unless Assad puts his gun back in the belt and sends his troops home.
I doubt that Syria will start things, but instead the Hezbollah. Syria would then gladly get involved at Iran's calling. Then Iran could get involved. All in a chain reaction. |
| Military Man
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4/18/2008 5:07 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
I was telling Military man the same thing. I don't think if Assad of Syria new that Israel wasn't going to attack until mid may that he would have his troops all camped out on the border right now. That alone tells me something is up. Also Hezbollah hasnt gotten their revenge and I believe that Barak said if Hezbollah attacks Israel will go after Syria.
we are definetly on the same page
that's why i'm particularly interested in getting confirmation of how many divisions it is Assad is moving around. 1 or 2 can be written off as a drill/exercise, anything more than 3 divisions (when you take into consideration the total size of syria's armed forces) is going to be seriously taxing on Syria as a whole, both economically and as far as secuirty is concerned.
Think about this. Syria is bordered on the east by Iraq, where a very potent American army is currently stationed who has threatened to use force against syria in the past for its interference in Iraq. Syria has serious internal problems with the Kurds. Just last month it was reported upwards of 10,000 soldiers were deployed to kurdish area. And even Turkey to the north has presented security problems for Syria in the not too distant past. In other words, if Assad has in reality committed half of his armored forces to the lebanese border, he leaves himself very exposed on at least 3 other fronts. Why do that, unless the threat on the Golan/Bekka valley front is VERY VERY real. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 415225
WE ARE ALL ON THE RIGHT PAGE. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380553
4/18/2008 5:17 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
The parade was a laugh to me as Iran still does not have the best airforce. However, there is too much rhetoric going around to not think Iran has a plan that will come to pass. I agree that Hezbollah and Syria are finding it a prime time to attack Israel. Quoting: Military Man 265749
The Iranian Air Force is for internal consumption. No one expects F-4 's and F-5s to last in modern aerial combat.
But then again, that's not part of the plan. I suspect the Iranians understand the concepts of asymmetrical warfare and will find a way to use terror/cyberwar and other unconventional methods to hurt the US. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380553
4/18/2008 5:26 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Think about this. Syria is bordered on the east by Iraq, where a very potent American army is currently stationed who has threatened to use force against syria in the past for its interference in Iraq. Syria has serious internal problems with the Kurds. Just last month it was reported upwards of 10,000 soldiers were deployed to kurdish area. And even Turkey to the north has presented security problems for Syria in the not too distant past. In other words, if Assad has in reality committed half of his armored forces to the lebanese border, he leaves himself very exposed on at least 3 other fronts. Why do that, unless the threat on the Golan/Bekka valley front is VERY VERY real. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 415225
The north may be a concern but the east is not a concern at all. Even if the US was in a position to redeploy those troops westward- which it isn't- the logistical tail for operations against Syria couldn't be secured-the Sadrists and Iranians would make survival job #1 if an Israeli/Hezbullah squabble evolved into a more regional war.
The Iranian military proper might even sit on the sidelines in the opening stages in the interest of looking to be the victim.
This is based on my assumption that the recent Sadrist uprisings were a recon in force. Now that they have a grasp on the US/Iraqi contingency planning and tactics, they'll be prepared when this comes down for real and they plan on isolating the US forces in Baghdad [for sure] and cutting off their supplies, if possible.
I wouldn't be surprised if the US had to carpet bomb Basra and/or Nasariya just to keep the supplies moving. The road network makes it real easy to interdict supplies moving north unless the US thinks it can keep supply trains rolling through open desert to the west. |
| Elijah
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4/18/2008 5:30 PM
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The north may be a concern but the east is not a concern at all. Even if the US was in a position to redeploy those troops westward- which it isn't- the logistical tail for operations against Syria couldn't be secured-the Sadrists and Iranians would make survival job #1 if an Israeli/Hezbullah squabble evolved into a more regional war.
The Iranian military proper might even sit on the sidelines in the opening stages in the interest of looking to be the victim.
This is based on my assumption that the recent Sadrist uprisings were a recon in force. Now that they have a grasp on the US/Iraqi contingency planning and tactics, they'll be prepared when this comes down for real and they plan on isolating the US forces in Baghdad [for sure] and cutting off their supplies, if possible.
I wouldn't be surprised if the US had to carpet bomb Basra and/or Nasariya just to keep the supplies moving. The road network makes it real easy to interdict supplies moving north unless the US thinks it can keep supply trains rolling through open desert to the west. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380553
Makes sense to me.
"I screamed at God for all the starving children, and then I realized that all of the starving children were God screaming at me." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 262098
4/18/2008 5:41 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Think about this. Syria is bordered on the east by Iraq, where a very potent American army is currently stationed who has threatened to use force against syria in the past for its interference in Iraq. Syria has serious internal problems with the Kurds. Just last month it was reported upwards of 10,000 soldiers were deployed to kurdish area. And even Turkey to the north has presented security problems for Syria in the not too distant past. In other words, if Assad has in reality committed half of his armored forces to the lebanese border, he leaves himself very exposed on at least 3 other fronts. Why do that, unless the threat on the Golan/Bekka valley front is VERY VERY real.
The north may be a concern but the east is not a concern at all. Even if the US was in a position to redeploy those troops westward- which it isn't- the logistical tail for operations against Syria couldn't be secured-the Sadrists and Iranians would make survival job #1 if an Israeli/Hezbullah squabble evolved into a more regional war.
The Iranian military proper might even sit on the sidelines in the opening stages in the interest of looking to be the victim.
This is based on my assumption that the recent Sadrist uprisings were a recon in force. Now that they have a grasp on the US/Iraqi contingency planning and tactics, they'll be prepared when this comes down for real and they plan on isolating the US forces in Baghdad [for sure] and cutting off their supplies, if possible.
I wouldn't be surprised if the US had to carpet bomb Basra and/or Nasariya just to keep the supplies moving. The road network makes it real easy to interdict supplies moving north unless the US thinks it can keep supply trains rolling through open desert to the west. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380553
i beg to differ. All it would take to pose a very serious problem for Damascus is one American armored division, particularly if half of Syria's armed forces are sitting on the lebanese border. The Sadrist/and other extremeist elements would only be able to harass logistic lines. Any REAL threat to our logistic lines to support a move westward towards Syria would require committment of Iranian conventional forces - they aren't going to do it, and if they did, they would be doing us a favor and give the US the very pretext it has been searching for to kick some Iranian butt and take out their nuke facilities.
I rather doubt the US would pull off any move to the west against Syria with our ground forces in the event of an Israeli/Syrian war, but its still got to be there in the back of Assad's mind |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 412413
4/18/2008 6:04 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
The United States of America will not attack Iran. |
| Military Man
User ID: 265749 (OP)
4/18/2008 6:12 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
The United States of America will not attack Iran. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 412413
The U.S. is not in the best position to take out Iran alone right now. That is based upon the fact that the U.S. could not get enough troops into Iraq to fend off the additional significant increase in Iranians that soon then would be coming across the border to fight.
Instead, the U.S. hopes that Israel will get into a war with Syria, Hezbolla, and Iran because she (Israel)could then unleash on Iran with all her might and there would be no worry of retaliation as Iran would already be fighting Israel. The U.S. would simply send in supplies, guard the gulf, and perhaps launch a few missiles. Then again, Iran warns they would retaliate against the U.S. forces too if Israel struck. Then, the fray would involve the U.S. and then I am afraid China and Russia would get involved. I would not doubt when Iran and her puppets become involved in a conflict wth Israel, that China and Russia would forewarn the U.S. to stay out or else they would get involved. The threat may have already taken place. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 417589
4/18/2008 6:27 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Rocket hits power lines in Sderot power goes out...
Military Man,
i CANt imagine China Russia getting involved with america in war... that would spell crazyness..... not talking in those cry people talk that all will die but come close to it.... NUC war...
China wont get invovled they got the olymics ...... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 417589
4/18/2008 6:29 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
mILITARY mAN,
About Russia and Syria
Ynet had an article a long time ago .... Russia has a navy base in Syria
and i dunno where i heard this either by word or some news outlet that Russia mans listening post on the SyriaN iSRAEL bORDER???
AND russia is building a peramenet base in Syria ? |
| Military Man
User ID: 121743
4/18/2008 10:24 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Rocket hits power lines in Sderot power goes out...
Military Man,
i CANt imagine China Russia getting involved with america in war... that would spell crazyness..... not talking in those cry people talk that all will die but come close to it.... NUC war...
China wont get invovled they got the olymics ...... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 417589
The way things are going, China's pride has already been damaged by the Tibet riots. If leaders start boycotting the olympics, China is going to be fuming and looking for a fight. Wait, they already are. They keep increasing their military by 10 to 20% more each year. The U.S. has asked many times, China why are you doing this, you have no enemies. The only answer has been that they want to take on the U.S. in the future. Russia too has been un-nerved by the loss of its super power status and more so by the U.S. encroachment with Nato upon old cold war allies of Russia such as Poland and Ukraine. Russia would love to get at the U.S. This may not mean an overt war directly against the U.S. but if the U.S. is able to clean-house on the MiddleEast, China and Russia would fear a greater giant than the U.S. already is. Thus, they would love to complicate things for the U.S. and they would love to have a justification to hit the U.S. during a dogpile. |
| Military Man
User ID: 121743
4/18/2008 10:27 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
mILITARY mAN,
About Russia and Syria
Ynet had an article a long time ago .... Russia has a navy base in Syria
and i dunno where i heard this either by word or some news outlet that Russia mans listening post on the SyriaN iSRAEL bORDER???
AND russia is building a peramenet base in Syria ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 417589
Russia has a port in Syria. They too have exported a large amount of military hardware to Syria. Old religious leaders in Israel keep talking about the fact that Israel has nothing to fear until Russia moves its warships down to Syria. That appears to be happening. Remember, many feel that Russia is gog in the gogmagog battle thought to take place in the mid-point of the tribulation. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 316174
4/18/2008 10:36 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Military Man,
It appears we're fast approaching critical mass. Mossad Agents Wife is eerily silent at this critical juncture. I hope she is well. |
| Military Man
User ID: 121743
4/19/2008 1:58 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
The Palestinians are making a show of it, trying to kidnap IDF troops this morning. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 417589
4/19/2008 3:45 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
The Palestinians are making a show of it, trying to kidnap IDF troops this morning. Quoting: Military Man 121743
OOO boy.... we got sedar tonight... Military Man why doesnt American build a navy base in israel?
I heard America does have a massive base in the Negev ....
OO and Carter meeting with these terrorist lovely....grrr
Yah just woke up at noticed that..... similar tacts to that of Hezbollah ---
Gaza attack: 3 gunmen killed, Hamas claims responsibility
Published: 04.19.08, 09:42 / Israel News
A spokesman for Hamas, Abu Obeida, claimed responsibility for the attack on the Kerem Shalom crossing in southern Gaza on Saturday morning.
The army has said that three Palestinian gunmen were killed in the infiltration attempt. (Hanan Greenberg and Ali Waked)
Palestinians say infiltration try – attempt to kidnap soldiers
Published: 04.19.08, 08:39 / Israel News
Palestinian sources estimate that the infiltration attempt at the Kerem Shalom crossing on the Gaza border was an attempt by terror cells to kidnap Israeli soldiers. (Ali Waked) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 262098
4/19/2008 5:35 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
some additional details about the attack in this article. It really sounds like Hamas was trying for a spectacular attack, maybe the one we were all expecting to kick things off. Fortunately, the IDF was ready for them . .
[link to www.ynetnews.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 387009
4/19/2008 6:51 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Miltary man I wonder if this attack that injured 13 soldiers this morning is a sign of things to come this weekend and during Passover. |
| Dr Cloak
User ID: 412309
4/19/2008 8:04 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Its time for Israel and U.S. to get it's comeuppance. Who's with me? lolol |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 417589
4/19/2008 8:18 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Southern Command chief: Kerem Shalom incident – worst since disengagement
Published: 04.19.08, 14:38 / Israel News
IDF Southern Command Chief Major-General Yoav Galant said Saturday that the attack on the Kerem Shalom crossing was "the biggest we've seen since the disengagement."
"Hamas is using Israel's generosity and goes after the crossings used to make sure vital Palestinian needs are met," he said, adding the attack was a "strategic" one, aimed at disrupting Israel's 60th anniversary celebrations. (Hanan Greenberg)
woow speaks volumes |
| Anonymous Coward
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4/19/2008 10:16 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 387009
4/19/2008 2:10 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
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| Elijah
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4/19/2008 2:26 PM
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"I screamed at God for all the starving children, and then I realized that all of the starving children were God screaming at me." |
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