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anonymous coward (OP) User ID: 394969 United States 04/16/2008 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stfu. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 89349------------------------------------------------------ You christers need to learn to face the fact that your god , the one you worshiped all your life, is really entirely imaginary. Feel free to try to counter any thing in the post. You just can't. |
SmartAss User ID: 253795 United States 04/16/2008 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you want to be technical about it all, then you should post the definition of every major word you used such as: omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent. Funny thing is: your dictionary definition of God never used the term benevolent, but you use it to prove he can't exist. So if we assume that God is not truely benevolent (or your definition of that) then it is entirely possible for God to exist. 1) based on your theory, a parent who lets something bad happen to their child to teach them a lesson either does not love their child or they do not exist. Life is like a jar of Jalapeno peppers. What you do today just might burn your ass tomorrow. |
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* <-----star of destiny User ID: 279402 United States 04/16/2008 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is obvious you do not know the full definition of God. The full definition of God can fill a huge book but it is also a paradox and can be summarized with one word. .....Love. God is a paradox. You obviously must do more thinking on this subject OP. There is no doubt that there is a God. None at all. THINKING your way to that fact can make a person extremely intelligent as opposed to just reading it from a book. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 405948 United States 04/16/2008 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Proof #36 - Realize that God is impossible Quoting: anonymous coward 394969If you consult the dictionary, here is the first definition of God that you will find: "A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions." [ref] a god can either take away evil from the world and will not, or, being willing to do so, cannot; or it neither can nor will. If It is both able and willing to remove evil and cannot. then then it is not omnipotent. If it can, but will not, than it is not benevolent. If If it is neither able nor willing, then it is neither omnipotent nor benevolent. Lastly, if it is both able and willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?" In other words, if you sit and think about who God is supposed to be, you realize that such a being is impossible. Ridiculous, in fact. Take this quote from the Bible. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says: Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him! The impossibility of God is visible here as well. Based on Jesus' statement, let's assume that you are a child and you are starving in Ethiopia. You pray for food. What would you expect to happen based on Jesus' statement? If God exists as an all-loving, all-knowing and all-powerful parent -- a "father in heaven" -- you would expect God to deliver food to you. In fact, the child should not have to pray. Normal parents provide food to their children without their children having to beg for it. Yet, strangely, on planet Earth today we find tens of millions of people dying of starvation every year. Another way to approach the impossibility of God is to think about the concept of omniscience. If God is omniscient, then it means that he knows every single thing that happens in the universe, both now and infinitely into the future. Do you have FREE WILL in such a universe? Clearly not. God knows everything that will happen to you. Therefore, the instant you were created, God knows whether you are going to heaven or hell. To create someone knowing that that person will be damned to hell for eternity is the epitome of evil. Here is another way to understand the impossibility of God. If you look at the definition of God, you can see that he is defined as the "originator and ruler of the universe". Why does the universe need an originator -- a creator? Because, according to religious logic, the universe cannot exist unless it has a creator. A believer will say, "nothing can exist unless it is created." However, that satement immediately constructs a contradiction, because we must then wonder who created God. For a believer the answer to that is simple -- "God is the one thing that does not need a creator. God is timeless and has always existed." How can it be that the everything MUST have a creator, while God must NOT? The contradiction in the definition of God is palpable. As soon as your think about the concept of a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient being, you realize the impossibility of the concept. That impossibility is yet another way to see that God is imaginary. You step in your own poo-poo OP! To deny something, then first it must exist. If not, what are you talking about? You are chasing your own tail OP! And, you invited the world to watch you-what an idiot! Maybe next time you should think through what you say! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 413570 United States 04/16/2008 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WOW. Thats all I can say. The person who started this thread is a total moron. A fucktard if you will. For someone who is apparently so athiest he really does care and devote a lot of his time to God. If he spent half the time he did coming up with BULLSHIT like this thread which proves nothing but his IDIOCY doing something like actually doing some spiritual searching and learning for himself, instead of just regurgitating everything he fucking hears, he might actually know something!! But he wont, and he never will. So he will keep trying to disproves gods existence to a bunch of people who will NOT listen to him. GJ Moronic poster of this thread, you fail at life. |
anonymous coward (OP) User ID: 394969 United States 04/16/2008 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you want to be technical about it all, then you should post the definition of every major word you used such as: Quoting: SmartAssomnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent. Funny thing is: your dictionary definition of God never used the term benevolent, but you use it to prove he can't exist. So if we assume that God is not truely benevolent (or your definition of that) then it is entirely possible for God to exist. 1) based on your theory, a parent who lets something bad happen to their child to teach them a lesson either does not love their child or they do not exist. ---------------------------------------------------------- OK Benevokent is wanting to bestow good things and happiness on others. Omniscient = All Knowing. Omnipotent = All Powerful. A real "loving" god would have to be benevolent by defination. Christers always claimed to have "a loving god" Parents have no food..... Reread the post. Your god promises that prayers will be answered..... "Ask and ye shall recieve"... but obviously we all know that is bullshit.. Your god lets millions of kids starve to death every year. Obviously you chrsiters don't have a real "loving god". You have never seen an amputated limb healed back, on or any open wound healed right up. That's because your god is imaginary. Not a real god. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 89349 United States 04/16/2008 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “God” cannot simply be defined, as you described. “God”, like human emotion, is subjective. Take Love for instance. Love, in one of its dictionary definitions, is “a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person. “ Unless you’ve never experienced love in some form or another, you know this definition is inadequate. It brushes the surface, on a very superficial level - but it doesn’t dig very deep in explaining something so very complex. To quote you, “If you sit back and think about who God is supposed to be”, That’s enough to conclude your argument is bullshit in itself. What God is SUPPOSED to be? Supposed to be, to who? The dictionary? The simple minded definition you pulled from a dictionary? Ok. Take a philosophy 101 course and you'll find these questions have already been asked and debated over and over again by people much smarter than you. The concept of “God” transcends your definitions. |
anonymous coward (OP) User ID: 394969 United States 04/16/2008 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Proof #36 - Realize that God is impossible Quoting: Anonymous Coward 405948If you consult the dictionary, here is the first definition of God that you will find: "A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions." [ref] a god can either take away evil from the world and will not, or, being willing to do so, cannot; or it neither can nor will. If It is both able and willing to remove evil and cannot. then then it is not omnipotent. If it can, but will not, than it is not benevolent. If If it is neither able nor willing, then it is neither omnipotent nor benevolent. Lastly, if it is both able and willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?" In other words, if you sit and think about who God is supposed to be, you realize that such a being is impossible. Ridiculous, in fact. Take this quote from the Bible. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says: Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him! The impossibility of God is visible here as well. Based on Jesus' statement, let's assume that you are a child and you are starving in Ethiopia. You pray for food. What would you expect to happen based on Jesus' statement? If God exists as an all-loving, all-knowing and all-powerful parent -- a "father in heaven" -- you would expect God to deliver food to you. In fact, the child should not have to pray. Normal parents provide food to their children without their children having to beg for it. Yet, strangely, on planet Earth today we find tens of millions of people dying of starvation every year. Another way to approach the impossibility of God is to think about the concept of omniscience. If God is omniscient, then it means that he knows every single thing that happens in the universe, both now and infinitely into the future. Do you have FREE WILL in such a universe? Clearly not. God knows everything that will happen to you. Therefore, the instant you were created, God knows whether you are going to heaven or hell. To create someone knowing that that person will be damned to hell for eternity is the epitome of evil. Here is another way to understand the impossibility of God. If you look at the definition of God, you can see that he is defined as the "originator and ruler of the universe". Why does the universe need an originator -- a creator? Because, according to religious logic, the universe cannot exist unless it has a creator. A believer will say, "nothing can exist unless it is created." However, that satement immediately constructs a contradiction, because we must then wonder who created God. For a believer the answer to that is simple -- "God is the one thing that does not need a creator. God is timeless and has always existed." How can it be that the everything MUST have a creator, while God must NOT? The contradiction in the definition of God is palpable. As soon as your think about the concept of a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient being, you realize the impossibility of the concept. That impossibility is yet another way to see that God is imaginary. You step in your own poo-poo OP! To deny something, then first it must exist. If not, what are you talking about? You are chasing your own tail OP! And, you invited the world to watch you-what an idiot! Maybe next time you should think through what you say! ----------------------------------------------------- I suggest you have someone read and explain the post to you. That way you won't embaress yourself with meaningless posts. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 89349 United States 04/16/2008 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, I'm agnostic and could care less what you think. As far as I'm concerned, the fundamentalist Christians are as stupid as you are. It cannot be proven either way. Your "A loving God wouldn't allow bad things to happen" argument is pathetic and reeks of teenage rebellion. |
anonymous coward (OP) User ID: 394969 United States 04/16/2008 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “God” cannot simply be defined, as you described. “God”, like human emotion, is subjective. Take Love for instance. Love, in one of its dictionary definitions, is “a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person. “ Unless you’ve never experienced love in some form or another, you know this definition is inadequate. It brushes the surface, on a very superficial level - but it doesn’t dig very deep in explaining something so very complex. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 89349To quote you, “If you sit back and think about who God is supposed to be”, That’s enough to conclude your argument is bullshit in itself. What God is SUPPOSED to be? Supposed to be, to who? The dictionary? The simple minded definition you pulled from a dictionary? Ok. Take a philosophy 101 course and you'll find these questions have already been asked and debated over and over again by people much smarter than you. The concept of “God” transcends your definitions. ----------------------------------------------------- Rather than just dancing around and pimping for your religion, I suggest that you select any sentence or paragraph(s) in the original post and attempt to specifically disprove it. |
meroj User ID: 380947 United States 04/16/2008 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, I'm agnostic and could care less what you think. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 89349As far as I'm concerned, the fundamentalist Christians are as stupid as you are. It cannot be proven either way. Your "A loving God wouldn't allow bad things to happen" argument is pathetic and reeks of teenage rebellion. Good observation! The word "teen", came to my mind, as well. |
anonymous coward (OP) User ID: 394969 United States 04/16/2008 05:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, I'm agnostic and could care less what you think. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 89349As far as I'm concerned, the fundamentalist Christians are as stupid as you are. It cannot be proven either way. Your "A loving God wouldn't allow bad things to happen" argument is pathetic and reeks of teenage rebellion. ------------------------------------------------------- Ok chrisster, Please offer up your clarificatin of what a loving god would do, and why it would or wouldnt do. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 413570 United States 04/16/2008 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a god can either take away evil from the world and will not, or, being willing to do so, cannot; or it neither can nor will. God never said he couldnt. Infact he likes it there. He likes things to be 'balanced' not 'perfect'. Perfect is an opinion, balanced is undeniable. God is balanced. If It is both able and willing to remove evil and cannot. then then it is not omnipotent. It is willing and able. But WONT, untill soon. Just because there is evil doesnt mean god is FAILING at removing it. He wants it to be there. If it can, but will not, than it is not benevolent. If If it is neither able nor willing, then it is neither omnipotent nor benevolent. Lastly, if it is both able and willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?" In other words, if you sit and think about who God is supposed to be, you realize that such a being is impossible. Ridiculous, in fact. Most of this part sounds like retarded babbling. No real reason for me to disprove it since you are still missing the point. God does what he wants. God is not an "evil destroying vacuum cleaner". God could destroy you, and Im sure he wants to. Because you are still alive doesnt mean he doesnt exist, it just means he wants to TORTURE YOU FIRST Owned. |
anonymous coward (OP) User ID: 394969 United States 04/16/2008 05:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is obvious you do not know the full definition of God. The full definition of God can fill a huge book but it is also a paradox and can be summarized with one word. .....Love. God is a paradox. Quoting: * <-----star of destiny 279402You obviously must do more thinking on this subject OP. There is no doubt that there is a God. None at all. THINKING your way to that fact can make a person extremely intelligent as opposed to just reading it from a book. -------------------------------------------------------- OK,..Well define and describe your god. Do you have any atographed pictures? |
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SilverKnight nli User ID: 417126 United States 04/16/2008 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The impossibility of God is visible here as well. Based on Jesus' statement, let's assume that you are a child and you are starving in Ethiopia. You pray for food. What would you expect to happen based on Jesus' statement? If God exists as an all-loving, all-knowing and all-powerful parent -- a "father in heaven" -- you would expect God to deliver food to you. In fact, the child should not have to pray." OP... haven't you ever heard of karma? cause and effect? or reincarnation for that matter? It's not as simple as that... there is a much larger picture to be understood here. Don't assume to know everything based off of empirical knowledge and speculation. That just leads to more ignorance, and the world has enough of that... besides, what is wrong with the idea of god anyway? SK |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 405948 United States 04/16/2008 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Proof #36 - Realize that God is impossible Quoting: anonymous coward 394969If you consult the dictionary, here is the first definition of God that you will find: "A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions." [ref] a god can either take away evil from the world and will not, or, being willing to do so, cannot; or it neither can nor will. If It is both able and willing to remove evil and cannot. then then it is not omnipotent. If it can, but will not, than it is not benevolent. If If it is neither able nor willing, then it is neither omnipotent nor benevolent. Lastly, if it is both able and willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?" In other words, if you sit and think about who God is supposed to be, you realize that such a being is impossible. Ridiculous, in fact. Take this quote from the Bible. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says: Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him! The impossibility of God is visible here as well. Based on Jesus' statement, let's assume that you are a child and you are starving in Ethiopia. You pray for food. What would you expect to happen based on Jesus' statement? If God exists as an all-loving, all-knowing and all-powerful parent -- a "father in heaven" -- you would expect God to deliver food to you. In fact, the child should not have to pray. Normal parents provide food to their children without their children having to beg for it. Yet, strangely, on planet Earth today we find tens of millions of people dying of starvation every year. Another way to approach the impossibility of God is to think about the concept of omniscience. If God is omniscient, then it means that he knows every single thing that happens in the universe, both now and infinitely into the future. Do you have FREE WILL in such a universe? Clearly not. God knows everything that will happen to you. Therefore, the instant you were created, God knows whether you are going to heaven or hell. To create someone knowing that that person will be damned to hell for eternity is the epitome of evil. Here is another way to understand the impossibility of God. If you look at the definition of God, you can see that he is defined as the "originator and ruler of the universe". Why does the universe need an originator -- a creator? Because, according to religious logic, the universe cannot exist unless it has a creator. A believer will say, "nothing can exist unless it is created." However, that satement immediately constructs a contradiction, because we must then wonder who created God. For a believer the answer to that is simple -- "God is the one thing that does not need a creator. God is timeless and has always existed." How can it be that the everything MUST have a creator, while God must NOT? The contradiction in the definition of God is palpable. As soon as your think about the concept of a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient being, you realize the impossibility of the concept. That impossibility is yet another way to see that God is imaginary. You step in your own poo-poo OP! To deny something, then first it must exist. If not, what are you talking about? You are chasing your own tail OP! And, you invited the world to watch you-what an idiot! Maybe next time you should think through what you say! ----------------------------------------------------- I suggest you have someone read and explain the post to you. That way you won't embaress yourself with meaningless posts. OP, how about this-You prove God does not exist! Because, nothing you've said so far amounts to anything! Go ahead-give it your best shot! Oh-sorry, I forgot, you're still chasing after your tail! Sit boy-sit! Good boy! Now, explain. |
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Dr. P ( On U ! ) User ID: 413947 United States 04/16/2008 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God IS truth. That is all one has to say. Your 'theories are delusional; you have NO proofs, just wild rambelings of words, which prove NOTHING ! The universe that EXISTS proves you wrong. There is no OTHER explaination of what exists and evolves, unless there IS a devine Creator with power over all. You should return to the asylum. All is forgiven ! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 233945 United States 04/16/2008 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Proof #36 - Realize that God is impossible Quoting: anonymous coward 394969If you consult the dictionary, here is the first definition of God that you will find: "A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions." [ref] a god can either take away evil from the world and will not, or, being willing to do so, cannot; or it neither can nor will. If It is both able and willing to remove evil and cannot. then then it is not omnipotent. If it can, but will not, than it is not benevolent. If If it is neither able nor willing, then it is neither omnipotent nor benevolent. Lastly, if it is both able and willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?" In other words, if you sit and think about who God is supposed to be, you realize that such a being is impossible. Ridiculous, in fact. Take this quote from the Bible. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says: Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him! The impossibility of God is visible here as well. Based on Jesus' statement, let's assume that you are a child and you are starving in Ethiopia. You pray for food. What would you expect to happen based on Jesus' statement? If God exists as an all-loving, all-knowing and all-powerful parent -- a "father in heaven" -- you would expect God to deliver food to you. In fact, the child should not have to pray. Normal parents provide food to their children without their children having to beg for it. Yet, strangely, on planet Earth today we find tens of millions of people dying of starvation every year. Another way to approach the impossibility of God is to think about the concept of omniscience. If God is omniscient, then it means that he knows every single thing that happens in the universe, both now and infinitely into the future. Do you have FREE WILL in such a universe? Clearly not. God knows everything that will happen to you. Therefore, the instant you were created, God knows whether you are going to heaven or hell. To create someone knowing that that person will be damned to hell for eternity is the epitome of evil. Here is another way to understand the impossibility of God. If you look at the definition of God, you can see that he is defined as the "originator and ruler of the universe". Why does the universe need an originator -- a creator? Because, according to religious logic, the universe cannot exist unless it has a creator. A believer will say, "nothing can exist unless it is created." However, that satement immediately constructs a contradiction, because we must then wonder who created God. For a believer the answer to that is simple -- "God is the one thing that does not need a creator. God is timeless and has always existed." How can it be that the everything MUST have a creator, while God must NOT? The contradiction in the definition of God is palpable. As soon as your think about the concept of a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient being, you realize the impossibility of the concept. That impossibility is yet another way to see that God is imaginary. i agree with you op. you'Re points are all valid and define rational logic. well done in debunking our fanatics here...5 stars god, satan, angels or demons...all this imaginary stuff does NOT exist. therefor religions are BS. religions were invented by man to control the "masses" even more and to give the ones in power even more might and control. they all knew that the masses are weak, gullible and primitive enough to fall for this bullshit called "religion". and they were right...the people are weak, primitive and gullible enough to fall for it because they don't think for themself...they let their governments and religions do that for them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 341282 United States 04/16/2008 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP... haven't you ever heard of karma? cause and effect? or reincarnation for that matter? It's not as simple as that... there is a much larger picture to be understood here. Quoting: SilverKnight nli 417126SO WHY ISN'T REINCARNATION AND KARMA EXPLAINED BY GOD/JESUS OR IS IN THE BIBLE? WOULDN'T THAT CLARIFY THINGS? IT WOULD AT LEAST EXPLAIN WHY MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE DIE EVERYDAY AND GOD DOES NOTHING TO HELP. |
* <-----star of destiny User ID: 279402 United States 04/16/2008 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is obvious you do not know the full definition of God. The full definition of God can fill a huge book but it is also a paradox and can be summarized with one word. .....Love. God is a paradox. Quoting: anonymous coward 394969You obviously must do more thinking on this subject OP. There is no doubt that there is a God. None at all. THINKING your way to that fact can make a person extremely intelligent as opposed to just reading it from a book. -------------------------------------------------------- OK,..Well define and describe your god. Do you have any atographed pictures? Well the total definition of God could contain words such as cosmos, universe, collective conscientiousness of all life, the beginning, infinity, Great Spirit. The list goes on and on ....into other languages also. It seems to me everyone who questions the belief in God does so because they dislike one particular religions belief in God ...usually its the Judeo-Christian-Muslim thing they are rebelling against. Look to the entire definition of God beyond the big three and you will see and maybe not be so doubting anymore. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 341282 United States 04/16/2008 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The universe that EXISTS proves you wrong. There is no OTHER explaination of what exists and evolves, unless there IS a devine Creator with power over all. Quoting: Dr. P ( On U ! ) 413947WHY DOES SOMETHING THAT EXISTS HAVE TO BE CREATED BY AN ALL POWERFUL ONE BEING??? |
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