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Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".

 
G. House
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Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
Concrete proof so-called "chemtrails" are really just persistant contrails.



Sorry, Guy, you just made a statement. You didn't
"prove" anything. Try again. You were all about
getting to the "truth" about this subject, eh?

Unfortunately I don't have it in front of me but I believe there is a book by Peterson Publishing called a guide to the Atmosphere or something similar published around 1991 that gives pictures and says basically the same thing The Guy is saying.

But to chemtrailers that wouldn't be a fact either.
 Quoting: G. House



More proof of nothing. I stated earlier in this thread
that no one was gonna prove anything and I predict,
whoooooo, that I'll stand by that statement.

Been an honor. Keep on bunkin/debunkin and take care
out there. No matter what you "believe".

"I cannot stay, I must be going."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 383778



Ah, found the book.

The Peterson Field Guide Series A Field Guide to the Atmosphere Houghton Mifflin Company 1981.

Has many interesting things about contrails in it.

Photograph page 132 Pl.145 V - Condensation trail from a jet plane that produces its shadow on a diffuse mass of ice crystals extending downward below the contrail and the sun.

(This shoots to hell the dark "chemtrail" BS chemtrailers try to pass and not only shows one in 1981 or earlier but also explains why the phenomenom occurs.

Photograph page 132 Pl.146 - The condensation trail of a jet plane that is growing where the moist air is supersaturated with the respect to ice. This show that the contrail is located below the thin streamers of ice.

This photo is the same as many posted by many chemtrailers that they claim can ONLY BE the result of "chemical spraying". But here we have an example from 1981 or earlier that shows these phenomenom were seen a full decade before claims of chemtrail spraying.

now for some text from page 137:

In this era of high-flying aircraft, condensation trails - contrails - are a commonly observed feature of the sky. Sometimes they are ephemeral and dissapate as quickly as they form; other times they persist and grow wide enough to cover a substantial portion of the sky with a sheet of cirrostratus. Sometimes they maintain their integrity as a line of cloud formed in the wake of the rapidly moving aircraft; at other times they develop a series of pendules from which streamers of precipitation are observed to fall.

Contrails are a fascinating subject for study, sufficieintly complex to challenge the expert and sufficiently variable to intrigue the amatuer observer. Properly understood they yeild a wealth of information about the current state of affairs in the high atmosphere, where it is dificult to locate weather instruments. Observed systematically, as a function of time, contrail information is a valuable adjunct to forecasting the weather.


Many other examples and photos showing phenomenom claimed by chemtrailers as only being possible by nefarious ways. In text and photos from 1981 or earlier.

Basically this information shoots down most claims made by the chemtrailers. Shoots down and tramples in the earth.

The Peterson Field Guide Series was sponsored by the National Audubon Society.

Of course chemtrailers will reject this as it's a book and they don't believe in books.

But I've been around a long time and I can tell you that books really do exist and I happen to have a copy of this one.
"Everybody lies."
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
No comment from the chemtrailers?

Yeah, go run and hide!
"Everybody lies."
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
so if we see them this summer?
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
so if we see them this summer?
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See what?
"Everybody lies."
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
That's because books are a tool of the NWO; or wait, the Illuminati; no, the Reptiles, that's it- to, uh, make us think things that aren't real, and take over the world to uh, let me get back to you on the rest.

Good post. I've got the clouds and storms field guide which mentions if contrails are increasing,a strong weather system may be moving toward the region. Never had much interest in them (con/chemtrails), not a lot of them on the outskirts of Chi-town. Oh wait, the weather is manipulated by the guys above!
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
That's because books are a tool of the NWO; or wait, the Illuminati; no, the Reptiles, that's it- to, uh, make us think things that aren't real, and take over the world to uh, let me get back to you on the rest.

Good post. I've got the clouds and storms field guide which mentions if contrails are increasing,a strong weather system may be moving toward the region. Never had much interest in them (con/chemtrails), not a lot of them on the outskirts of Chi-town. Oh wait, the weather is manipulated by the guys above!
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Thanks!
"Everybody lies."
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
No comment from the chemtrailers?

Yeah, go run and hide!
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sponsered by the National Audubon Society?


lmao

oh we cn trust this folks

go troll somewhere else

heres an idea, how bout you go get a fucking JOB...

do you know what that is?


to bad some useless book can't touch these patents

so FUCK OFF

and try, try again



FEBUARY 22, 1977

Combustible compositions for generating aerosols, particularly suitable for cloud modification and weather control and aerosolization process

Document Type and Number:United States Patent RE29142

Link to this page: [link to www.freepatentsonline.com]

Abstract:A combustible composition for generating aerosols for the control and modification of weather conditions consisting of a readily oxidizable substance selected from the group consisting of aluminum, magnesium, alkali-metals and alkaline earth metals; an oxidizing agent selected from the groups consisting of:
(a) sulphur and sulphur yielding compounds; and

(b) organic and inorganic nitrates, alkali-metal and ammonium chlorates and perchlorates;

The molar ratio of the oxidizable substance to the oxidizing agent being between 1.5:1 and 3.5:1 and a stable hygroscopic solid which does not directly participate in the combustion process of the combustible composition, said hygroscopic solid being present in an amount up to 40% of the total weight of the combustible composition, the oxidizable substance, the oxidizing agent and the hygroscopic substance having a particle size in the range of from -140 to +270 mesh, and a primer initiating the combustion of said composition whereby during combustion, a finely dispersed aerosol smoke consisting of moderately hygroscopic condensation nuclei, and a non-hygroscopic gas are simultaneously evolved, said gas acting to disperse said nuclei.



AUGUST 12, 1975

Powder contrail generation

Document Type and Number:United States Patent 3899144

Link to this page: [link to www.freepatentsonline.com]

Abstract:Light scattering pigment powder particles, surface treated to minimize inparticle cohesive forces, are dispensed from a jet mill deagglomerator as separate single particles to produce a powder contrail having maximum visibility or radiation scattering ability for a given weight material.
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
So now the Audobon Society is on the consipracy too?? Get a grip!
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
So how does this tie in with the FEMA camps and the Secret Hole in Antarctica that leads to the Inner Earth?

I mean, that's part of the deal, too, right?

And how about the International House of Pancakes?

Let's see you debunk that, Mr. G. House!!!!
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
All you did was show that some persistant contrails can exist. You did not prove that chemtrails don't.
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
So, some elite masterminds that control the world are poisoning people via chemtrails. Ok, I got that part. They work under such secrecy as to be able to operate without anyone knowing how or why they are doing it. Got that too. The all powerful are doing this. Ok.


Tell me exactly why they need a U.S. Patent?
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
come on de-bunker king

mr boeing

no attempt at those patents?


those are just the tip of the shit-berg
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
Part of the problem with the Contrail/Chemtrail controversy is the the USAF reformulated their jet fuel in 1996. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
The new mixture contains a known toxin that was banned for use as a pesticide.

"WHAT'S IN CHEMTRAILS?

Part of the substances in the chemtrails have been identified: a cocktail of JP8+100 jet fuel, laced with Ethylene Dibromide (EDB). This chemical pesticide was banned in 1983 by the EPA as a definite carcinogen and chemical toxin. Exposure to this type spraying can include these symptoms: * respiratory tract problems * severe infections to the throat and sinuses * swelling of the lymph glands * coughing fits * shortness of breath * sinus headaches * general respiratory failure * damage to the heart and liver * exposure to EDB makes people more susceptible to other biological agents due to severe lung irritation." [link to www.rense.com]

Air Force refueling technicians have been warneed not to come into contact with JP8, yet large amounts of unburned fuel are released into our atmosphere with every flight, especially when afterburners are used. Additionally, Barium has been measured in the particulate matter collected from Chemtrails and Eilsen AFB in Alaska has been under fire for dumping huge amounts of Barium. [link to www.rense.com]
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
come on de-bunker king

mr boeing

no attempt at those patents?


those are just the tip of the shit-berg
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 404921


LLLLLLLLLighten-up Francis. Go outside and take 10 deep breaths- you can believe whatever you want.
G. House (OP)

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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
So, some elite masterminds that control the world are poisoning people via chemtrails. Ok, I got that part. They work under such secrecy as to be able to operate without anyone knowing how or why they are doing it. Got that too. The all powerful are doing this. Ok.


Tell me exactly why they need a U.S. Patent?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 413358


Extremely good point!!
"Everybody lies."
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
All you did was show that some persistant contrails can exist. You did not prove that chemtrails don't.
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Evolution is held back because of people like you. Now go do the right thing...
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
FEBUARY 22, 1977

Combustible compositions for generating aerosols, particularly suitable for cloud modification and weather control and aerosolization process

Document Type and Number:United States Patent RE29142

Link to this page: [link to www.freepatentsonline.com]

Abstract:A combustible composition for generating aerosols for the control and modification of weather conditions consisting of a readily oxidizable substance selected from the group consisting of aluminum, magnesium, alkali-metals and alkaline earth metals; an oxidizing agent selected from the groups consisting of:
(a) sulphur and sulphur yielding compounds; and

(b) organic and inorganic nitrates, alkali-metal and ammonium chlorates and perchlorates;

The molar ratio of the oxidizable substance to the oxidizing agent being between 1.5:1 and 3.5:1 and a stable hygroscopic solid which does not directly participate in the combustion process of the combustible composition, said hygroscopic solid being present in an amount up to 40% of the total weight of the combustible composition, the oxidizable substance, the oxidizing agent and the hygroscopic substance having a particle size in the range of from -140 to +270 mesh, and a primer initiating the combustion of said composition whereby during combustion, a finely dispersed aerosol smoke consisting of moderately hygroscopic condensation nuclei, and a non-hygroscopic gas are simultaneously evolved, said gas acting to disperse said nuclei.



 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 404921


What you basically have there is a patent for a flare to be used for cloud seeding.

What does this have to do with what you people are calling chemtrails?

By the way, cloud seeding operations usually take place within clouds. Actually kind of hard to watch them do it.

Yet chemtrails are claimed to be "sprayed" in plain sight.

I don't get the connection.
"Everybody lies."
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
All you did was show that some persistant contrails can exist. You did not prove that chemtrails don't.

Evolution is held back because of people like you. Now go do the right thing...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 310117



"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit".
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
All you did was show that some persistant contrails can exist. You did not prove that chemtrails don't.

Evolution is held back because of people like you. Now go do the right thing...
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Well, there's all the proof I needed. lol
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
Part of the problem with the Contrail/Chemtrail controversy is the the USAF reformulated their jet fuel in 1996. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
The new mixture contains a known toxin that was banned for use as a pesticide.

"WHAT'S IN CHEMTRAILS?

Part of the substances in the chemtrails have been identified: a cocktail of JP8+100 jet fuel, laced with Ethylene Dibromide (EDB). This chemical pesticide was banned in 1983 by the EPA as a definite carcinogen and chemical toxin. Exposure to this type spraying can include these symptoms: * respiratory tract problems * severe infections to the throat and sinuses * swelling of the lymph glands * coughing fits * shortness of breath * sinus headaches * general respiratory failure * damage to the heart and liver * exposure to EDB makes people more susceptible to other biological agents due to severe lung irritation." [link to www.rense.com]

Air Force refueling technicians have been warneed not to come into contact with JP8, yet large amounts of unburned fuel are released into our atmosphere with every flight, especially when afterburners are used. Additionally, Barium has been measured in the particulate matter collected from Chemtrails and Eilsen AFB in Alaska has been under fire for dumping huge amounts of Barium. [link to www.rense.com]
 Quoting: Gremlin 323645



Rense and Wikipedia quotes won't convince me. You might as well be saying "well, my brother in law told me..."
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
Here we have an interesting video

Now at the end of the video they ask you to vist their website as they promote "cloudbusters".

When you go to the website one of the available pages is this one:

[link to www.ctbusters.com]

Talk about charlaten opportunists!!

By the way the aircraft shown in the video is well known as an air sampling aircraft, it doesn't spray anything.
"Everybody lies."
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
Could we get some Anorexics into this thread to balance shit out. In regards to the two paid shills, Duncan and Fat. House.
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
By the way the aircraft shown in the video is well known as an air sampling aircraft, it doesn't spray anything.
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If it sprayed donut icing you`d be drooling underneath it with your mouth wide open.
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
So how does this tie in with the FEMA camps and the Secret Hole in Antarctica that leads to the Inner Earth?

I mean, that's part of the deal, too, right?

And how about the International House of Pancakes?

Let's see you debunk that, Mr. G. House!!!!
 Quoting: Duncan Kunz


In the future Duncun, try not to revolve all your chem trail conversations around a facility that manages Pancake batter.

I know it`s difficult for you to not discuss Pancake batter, it`s probably your second calling after being a shill, but for the sake of chem trails make a fruitful effort.
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
Wow... these "debunkers" (shills) certainly are rabid, aren't they. They seem absolutely OBSESSED with proving a "supposed" negative.
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
Wow... these "debunkers" (shills) certainly are rabid, aren't they. They seem absolutely OBSESSED with proving a "supposed" negative.
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That, and apparently, all you can eat fried pancake batter coated in syrup.

If I got paid around $300,000 a year to debunk stuff on the internet, i`d at least go to a French restaurant.
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
All you did was show that some persistant contrails can exist. You did not prove that chemtrails don't.
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No, that's not how it works. You claim chemtrails exist, you have to prove it.
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
All you did was show that some persistant contrails can exist. You did not prove that chemtrails don't.
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OP proved that you are paranoid. You haven't been proved an idiot YET.
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
All you did was show that some persistant contrails can exist. You did not prove that chemtrails don't.


No, that's not how it works. You claim chemtrails exist, you have to prove it.
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No, unfortunately seeing is believing, and when people see chem trails and look at the shit inside the chem trails with microscopes and take slides and see the metals and biology, thats proof.

Everyone else who debunks is just wasting their own precious life energy trying to sweep the dirt under the rug for whoever pays them.

The debunker's have a shitty job, they get paid to lose life energy trying to hide something that can`t be hidden hahahahaha... (thats why all the paid shills are all diseased and unhealthy and only attract diseased people in their lives.)

Look at how many meds G. House needs to take to keep his depression from rising. All probably because of GLP and his futile campaign. Is it really worth the dinero.

Debunker's lose the chem trail battle.

Throw in your bibs.

The winners won.
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
All you did was show that some persistant contrails can exist. You did not prove that chemtrails don't.


No, that's not how it works. You claim chemtrails exist, you have to prove it.
 Quoting: The Guy


Actually, you are the one saying that all the X'es, all the grid patterns, all the streaks in the sky that spread out over hours and completely haze up the sky day in and day out are all nothing but persistant contrails. I would say that your claim requires the proof.
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Re: Proof from 1981 as to the nature of "Chemtrails".
No, unfortunately seeing is believing, and when people see chem trails and look at the shit inside the chem trails with microscopes and take slides and see the metals and biology, thats proof.

Everyone else who debunks is just wasting their own precious life energy trying to sweep the dirt under the rug for whoever pays them.

The debunker's have a shitty job, they get paid to lose life energy trying to hide something that can`t be hidden hahahahaha... (thats why all the paid shills are all diseased and unhealthy and only attract diseased people in their lives.)

Look at how many meds G. House needs to take to keep his depression from rising. All probably because of GLP and his futile campaign. Is it really worth the dinero.

Debunker's lose the chem trail battle.

Throw in your bibs.

The winners won.
 Quoting: Anarchy Rising. 413733


Really? They've taken samples actually from inside an alleged chemtrail?
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.