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You Have to Overcome Pain Before You Can Experience Pleasure

 
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Pain isn't just the most effective weapon of control: it's the only one.

Tradition says that your are halfway up the path to enlightenment the moment you stop feeling pain. The first signpost to transcendence is the cessation of pain.


As for its redeeming side, it was the sight of pain that jolted the Buddha out of royal complacence and set him off on one of history's greatest spiritual journeys. And this is what the Buddha observed: "Birth is attended with pain, decay is pain, disease is painful, death is painful; Union with the unpleasant is painful, painful is separation from the pleasant an any craving that is satisfied, that, too, is painful."

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The article goes on to discuss how to relieve pain naturally, if you're interested.
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Well I hope you are not in any pain sweetie?....
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Well I hope you are not in any pain sweetie?....
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Shingles...three different nerves. Burn, baby Burn!
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Sounds like anal is described.
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Well I hope you are not in any pain sweetie?....

Shingles...three different nerves. Burn, baby Burn!
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From BottomLine's Daily Health News:

Natural Rx for Shingles

Approximately one million -- mostly older -- Americans get shingles (herpes zoster) each year as the varicella-zoster virus reactivates from a childhood chickenpox (variella) infection. The virus typically travels along one nerve to one part of the body to the skin's surface where it eventually erupts into another rash with blisters. Before that happens, though, other symptoms may appear, including tingling, itching and sometimes pain or a burning sensation that can be so intense it has been confused with that of kidney stones, appendicitis or even a heart attack, depending on the location of the affected nerve. Once the rash does appear, typically on one side of the torso or face, it brings fresh misery with more pain and blisters. Patients are warned not to scratch because that might increase the potential for a secondary bacterial infection.

In most people, shingles resolves itself by five or six very uncomfortable weeks... although, for a few patients, a painful and debilitating complication called postherpetic neuralgia (PHN) can linger for many more months and even years. In fact, the recent development of a vaccine for shingles (see Daily Health News, October 5, 2006) was partly to shield people from the possibility of PHN. While the vaccination is now a reality and is available to people ages 60 and over, I wondered about natural treatments that might both ease the discomfort of shingles and possibly reduce the amount of time it normally takes to run its course, as well as develop PHN. To find out, I called naturopathic physician Chris Meletis, ND, executive director of education for the Institute for Healthy Aging. Dr. Meletis often treats patients with shingles.

NATURAL RX FOR SHINGLES

Dr. Meletis tells me that his first recommendation for shingles patients is to take vitamin B-12. The reason, most importantly, is that B-12 has been shown to help prevent PHN. He says that it also helps bolster energy levels and eases the discomfort of the outbreak. Dr. Meletis often prescribes 1 mg of B-12 in the form of methylcobalamin twice a day, preferably under the tongue (sublingually). Continue this for the duration of the outbreak and for two to three months after the resolution of the rash and other symptoms. Another useful vitamin for combating shingles is vitamin C. A potent antioxidant, vitamin C bolsters the immune system and helps patients cope with the stress of the disease. Some people find that vitamin C helps dry blisters as well and reduces pain to some degree and it may also hinder development of PHN. The dosage for many of Dr. Meletis' patients is 1,000 mg two to three times a day with meals. Vitamin C can cause diarrhea, in which case patients are directed to ease up slightly on dosage until they find the maximum level that is tolerated. If nerve pain does remain after the lesions have resolved, lipoic acid at a dose of 300 mg two to three times a day can be helpful.

One amino acid plays a particularly interesting role in shingles. L-lysine has been shown to be helpful in combating viruses, including another type of herpes virus called herpes simplex-1 that typically causes so-called fever blisters on the lips and herpes-simplex 2, which typically causes outbreaks of lesions on the genitalia. Use of L-lysine, however, must be prescribed and monitored carefully by a trained professional. L-lysine is contraindicated in pregnant women and those with elevated cholesterol or triglyceride levels.

TOPICAL RELIEF


Of course it is important to have topical balms and creams to soothe the itching and pain of the rash. There are several available that Dr. Meletis has found to be helpful. Lysine cream is one (but do not put on open sores) and lemon balm is another. After the sores heal, a variety of capsaicin-containing creams on the market may provide pain relief. Capsaicin, the substance that adds heat to hot peppers, is said to inhibit nerve cells from sending pain messages to the brain. Capsaicin creams come in a variety of strengths. Whichever one you select, start small by using just a dab and apply four times a day. It will sting when you first put it on, but don't let that fool you. Stick with it since it will help. After applying, wash hands with soap and water to avoid irritation on other parts of your skin.

Finally, Dr. Meletis reminds all shingles patients that your body needs time to restore itself. You may not feel inclined to do much else as you battle shingles, so use the time to take it easy and get lots of rest.

Reprinted with the permission of:
Bottom Line Daily Health News
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If you "overcome" pain, you "overcome" pleasure, too.

We use the same nervous terminals to feel pain and pleasure, that is why there are people who are sadomasochists.

The polarity of both (pain/pleasure) is necessary or you would lose perception. How do you know you are having pleasure if you didn't experience pain?. By memory?. Nope. Memory can lie and can distort your filters.

Why is this New Age society so pain-phobic?. Too much self-indulgence, maybe?. What you may want to overcome is FEAR of experiencing PAIN.
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What if I choose to ignore and be passive about pain instead of overcoming it via solutions?

Thats sort of what I did to "cure" my major depression. Whenever something or someone depresses me, I just push them or it out of my life and it's no longer a painful problem. Of course it sucks to live like this but oh well. =/

I'm pretty much content and apathetic about life, and seek pleasure wherever, whenever, whatever -- but usually it's marijuana thats most pleasurable. =)
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Well I hope you are not in any pain sweetie?....


Shingles...three different nerves. Burn, baby Burn!
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Sorry to hear that, hope that ends soon. There are many people here that are really well versed in all sorts of natural cures, maybe you'll get several posted and can try something from them.
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Well I hope you are not in any pain sweetie?....


Shingles...three different nerves. Burn, baby Burn!

Sorry to hear that, hope that ends soon. There are many people here that are really well versed in all sorts of natural cures, maybe you'll get several posted and can try something from them.
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Well I hope you are not in any pain sweetie?....


Shingles...three different nerves. Burn, baby Burn!

Sorry to hear that, hope that ends soon. There are many people here that are really well versed in all sorts of natural cures, maybe you'll get several posted and can try something from them.

Thank you SHR. Smoochies! hf
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Heah OM, sorry to hear about this, my grandfather had it and he said it was extremely painful. Hope ya find some relief soon! Best wishes for a good day sweetie!
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Thanks River Girl! It stings ohhhhh it stings. I had a baking soda bath this morning. I'm hoping it'll help dry out the blisters. Going to try capsacin tonight. Sounds worth a try. Someone here at work told me to put hot tea bags over them. ouch?
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Buddha buddha buddha

He didnt like his arranged marriaged wife.....or having a child with her. He was spoilt rotten and decided that relationships = suffering and that didnt feel good. He decided to be a dead beat Dad and ran off to find a reason that would make him feel honourable...as so many do. It worked...as he had people skills to circumvent what was real...to place it in a format that resonated with those ot wanting so much responsibility to others and more to themselves.
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As a practitioner of aikido, and a practitioner in a school where most other aikidoka would consider to be full of 'ruffians'.... I am well versed in pain.

And what an above poster said about the correlation in pain/pleasure nerve clusters is correct. Once you get past the part where the pain doesn't scare you.. where your pain tolerance is high... you actually can get a euphoric feeling from the sensation!

"Younger" students cannot understand the laughter and grins on the "older" students faces when being put into joint locks and nerve manipulations. They feel the same techniques and it nearly brings tears to their eyes.

And the funny thing? We give every new student 9 months to a year before we REALLY throw or submit them.. otherwise we just use kid gloves on them.

The point of this rambling soliloquy?

When you embrace your pain as opposed to fearing and shunning it.. you can manage it easily. Pain is nothing more than your body telling you that it is repairing itself or you should stop what you are doing.
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Actually..you probably experience pleasure before the pain and then the pleasure again...unless you are born with the herpes....then its sort of as you say or not because vaginitus can occur (systematic owie even though you havent had sex...you just expect it and tense up).

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The rash and pain usually subside within three to five weeks, but about one in five patients develops a painful condition called postherpetic neuralgia, which is often difficult to manage. In some patients, herpes zoster can reactivate presenting as zoster sine herpete: pain radiating along the path of a single spinal nerve (a dermatomal distribution), but without an accompanying rash. This condition may involve complications that affect several levels of the nervous system and cause multiple cranial neuropathies, polyneuritis, myelitis, or aseptic meningitis. Other serious effects that may occur in some cases include partial facial paralysis (usually temporary), ear damage, or encephalitis.[1] During pregnancy, first infections with VZV, causing chickenpox, may lead to infection of the fetus and complications in the newborn, but chronic infection or reactivation in shingles are not associated with fetal infection.[26][27]

There is a slightly increased risk of developing cancer after a herpes zoster infection. However, the mechanism is unclear and mortality from cancer did not appear to increase as a direct result of the presence of the virus.[28] Instead, the increased risk may result from the immune suppression that allows the reactivation of the virus.[29]
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Try applying the baking soda as a paste directly to the sores. It has been known to work well.

Experience your pain, let go of holding on to it and suffering.

Good life.
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My Mom used to tell us kids to go hit our thumbs with a hammer, becuz it feels so good when it quits hurting! LOL (t'was a JOKE!)

I've had shingles and went to the doctor. She gave me a prescription (an anti-virus med) and it really really helped. You might want to try it to get some relief, OP. Shingles are quite painful and can last for a long time. :-(

Hope you get some relief, OP!

hf
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Pain isn't just the most effective weapon of control: it's the only one.

Tradition says that your are halfway up the path to enlightenment the moment you stop feeling pain. The first signpost to transcendence is the cessation of pain.


As for its redeeming side, it was the sight of pain that jolted the Buddha out of royal complacence and set him off on one of history's greatest spiritual journeys. And this is what the Buddha observed: "Birth is attended with pain, decay is pain, disease is painful, death is painful; Union with the unpleasant is painful, painful is separation from the pleasant an any craving that is satisfied, that, too, is painful."

[link to www.lifepositive.com]

The article goes on to discuss how to relieve pain naturally, if you're interested.
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Pain was essential in getting me to give up my former career as a breeder. Nothing like the spiritual fires of Crematoria to straighten you out. They say its a world so spiritually hot, you can't survive. And the pain was necessary for happiness. I wouldn't experience the happiness I know now, if it weren't for the fire.

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Since it all feels best in the end, let's just bring it on. Experience your pain with the mindset that pain is going to bring you immense joy when it finally ends. Think, "runner's high".

How does it feel to be the queen of Pain?
Here is where I look back.
Here is where you fell.
This is where I got up,
Shaking off my tail
This is where your rope trick
Started to look stale.
A greyhound pass for the boy in the well.


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