??? WHAT DO LIGHTWORKERS BELIEVE??? .....Queries about the LW's thread

"can think with your heart"?

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No caruso, not thinking about your post...but many thanks for the feeling!

Thank YOU, Brandon. Your timely post allowed me to connect within and claim my stance and appreciate my humanity as well as my spiritual side. I appreciate all help in this endeavor.

And yes, thinking with the heart is possible and perhaps, preferable. See, thinking with the heart is, to me, love leading the intellect, rather than intellect leading the heart. We weren't born with brains to be wasted, but the heart allows us to attach feelings to our mental world. The combination becomes rich and flavorful, and brings purpose to life. Without the heart, we may as well be robots. ANYBODY coulda done it THAT way! :-)

Good thread.

WORD.

Our awareness of who we are is evolving. While we are intrinsically multi-dimensional, the vast majority of us are unaware of our potential. In that sense we are evolving.

We are not limitless in our physical bodies, IMHO. We still have to operate under the physicalities on a day to day basis...

We all have a few shocks coming, and it will be incredible!!

... oh pleeeeze, lol... and really too... sooo, then you not only attempt to dumb down (and/or discount/disregard) your very own put forth and generalized 'we' there, and then sub-divide them so called problems o'yours into specific group-like 'particulars'... but but and but, then ya go and even have the noive to go all elitist like, and with some sorta self-presumed take on what 'you' may think of as being some sorta available like markers of 'true knowledge'. Please to make sense of your actions there for me... and as in just how, and in any way too, do they relate to any kind of conceptualized take on 'true knowledge' and/or its availabilities for all... and would ya?

or... maybe to put it yet another way, lol... rubbish! Dear sir, methinks/feels you presume yourself way too much upon others, and without even first checking it out for to see if it's really true or not.... and so I thusly say, lol, 'tsk and tsk' too.

Most creative word play there though, lol, I must say... but, sorry too... and cuz 'your' identifiable pedigrees might would be better spent amongst them commonly available furry like critters out there, and rather than just used for the brunting of your own subjective presumptions put upon others of your own ilk.

or... and really too, how's about just checking it out for yourself?







... lol, and just why on Earth would you presume yourself upon them kinda stated professings and/or regardings o'yours there???... and cuz I have no idea where your leanings may lie themselves, and well... save how you may weave yourself upon your very owned words for you that is.

And too... the word/concept 'Satanic', 'Luciferian', and/or 'Black Magic'... are all okay with this here kid, lol... but... and since 'you' brought it up from somewheres inside of you there (purpose driven?... lol, and maybe?????)... are they okay with you?

And three... lol, I am sorry but using them tired ol' 'by the by and from way back when' kinda routines is just really a bit shoddy, and wouldn't ya think? And cuz oh sure... one might even also say that the likes of Jesus's birthing stories were consumed within the 'dark arts' as well, and just because one of them Wise Men was an Astrologer, and another an Alchemist/herbalist... and cuz after all, Frankincense and Myrrh were used back in them days for to ward off their so called 'evil spirits' of that time.... and, lol, booga booga and booga.

But now, and going for four here, lol... and as I said above... "enhancing upon said Christianity perspectives" ... to which again, you try for to 'whammy' your pre-determined presumptives upon... lol... and so I thusly say... the Bible (and here I am only using said referencings in accordance with 'your terminologies' put forth... and as in 'Christianity')... The Bible more than clearly says "Know Thyself"... and yet, how is anyone ever to know themselves if they do not check out any and every thing that may ever come their way... and if indeed something comes their way... and again, using them Christianity like terminologies found in the Bible... then God is also the sender of any and all that comes their way as well.... yes?
Thusly so... if I were to go and learn about, say 'true knowledge', then which part of everything and all that is, is not about 'true knowledge' And too... and oh let's just say with something like 'Black Magic'... then them conceptual like so called 'true knowledge' seekings also will lead, and I might add... quite handily too, they will... to what is termed as being that of 'White Magic' as well.

Soooooo.... if I am ever exposing myself 'more knowledge', and as in to say both the so called light side and the dark side of some/any-thing... then there is also a balance to be found there as well... and that is, of course, just depending on where I may choose me purposely driven ways for to go with 'em... which also lends itself (equally as handily as well, lol, ) to how I may or may not apply said gainings in some knowledge of something that I had no knowledge of before.

Either 'way' though... in a very real sense they both enhance the Christian perspective... and if for no other reason than for to support what the Bible already says. However, and too though... any knowledge gained also adds too, and enhances upon, the wondrously ever on-going art of getting to 'know thyself'.
(which in turn, lol, and golly and gee... just enhances the heck out of most everything that Christianity even stands for)... lol, go figure, huh?








... first off... lol, just how do ya go about figuring that one???... and... if something 'seems' to be out of context 'for you'... why not just ask about it?

Or... you somehow cannot see any connective type dots between 'do as you will' and 'my will is yours for you'... and reallly????
Come on now.... snap out of it...

... and too... how do you thusly arrive at it being any sort of a 'problem'... or... you mean to tell me that little kids playing at house is a problem????... and like what... they're not going to grow out of it or something?
Methinks/feels the only 'prob' to be found here just may be your very own impatience with yourself is all.

...and three, 'you' say that humans are not Gods... sooooo, like, lol, where's your proof of such said kind of a statement. Or, is it just because you say it's so that it is so... and, if it is... then again.... lol, pleeeeeze!
(and I just gotta throw in another tsk and tsk there as well... and just for gooder measure ya know)

Now and now, lol... and back to them Christian like perspectives/terminologies once again. Oh, and let me re-instate that which you, and for some odd (or not) reason, chose to delete.

"And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil" and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever."
(Genesis 3:22)

... sooooo then... lol, God saying it there isn't enough for ya, eh?

or...
... if indeed we are all God's children as the Bible says... what do those kinda kids, or God's kids, grow up to be then?

or...
... as Jesus Christ himself said... "All these wonders I do ye shall also do, and even more."... and "Be ye as perfect as your Father is in heaven."

... accordingly then, and via 'your' very own chosen terminologies for to use there... sure sounds like us humans are way more than the sum or our parts, and don't it???... and well too, mine's coming straight from the Bible there as well... lol, and soooo, just where are you getting your info to the contrary from?
(and as Dana Carvey on 'SNL' might would say, lol, "Could it be Satan?!?!")

... and then and then, lol, you say, "if they think they are, they are merely playing at being God, without any of the implied power or responsibilities, leading to all sorts of potential harm."

... and well now... that sure sounds like that so called representative type 'dark side' of looking at something... and don't it????... but but but... where's the, or any, kinda balance in there though? Is there some reason that you only choose for to focus yourself upon the 'dark side' of them potentialities of ours????
And I say that cuz for some reason I just can't believe that you only see the downer side... and for example... and, using 'your' very own experience of such too. You mean to tell me that as you grew from a little boy into adulthood, that all of the 'implied power or responsibilities' that comes with them growings has caused you mucho harm?

... I don't think so, lol.

And granted, there is potential harm to be found within any sorta undertaking what-so-ever... but, I'd be willing to bet ya that that 'potential harm' stuff is also for sure not where your focus is every time you cross a street either... and is it now?

Soooo... come on... give yourself a break here, and please too, give others/us all a break as well... and cuz after all, we're all learning and growing, and ever becoming.... aren't we?

... and lastly speaking, and pertaining to your only going the on down-side of 'potential' there... and again, from that ol' Christian perspective as well....
"Be ye of good cheer, and give no worry for the morrow... and be ye therefore as perfect as your Father is in heaven."
(Jesus Christ)








... oh, lol, no prob... I just put it right back in there for ya... and golly... twice it's now in here even. And see... there ya go with that elitist kinda trippin' stuff o'yours again... but why??? ... I don't get it?... why would you even have need of such guarded a stance?

And I do mean really too... if you cannot relate to/understand/comprehend/grasp, and/or connect with something that somebody writes... why wouldn't you just ask them, and rather than deleting them? I just don't get it?
And thusly soooo, lol, do you like even know, and/or understand, what the word 'rude' means?

... and just how do you figure that that is any sorta dichotomy kinda thingie???... and I mean, is it just because you are putting out those sweeping kinda generalizations o'yours there... or what???? Golly, it just sounds to me like it's some more of that ol' mental masturbation stuff, or a rather silly mind-fucking sorta 'thang'.... and that's more than likely being used for to further convince someone (you?) of something that they already have their mind made up on in the first place... is all.
Which to me... lol, just sound kinda crazy like.

And by that I mean... if neither of them conceptualized paradigms may be a 100% real deal kinda thang... then what's the beef?????.... or, sooooo? For then... and going along with that same sorta rationale... it would not only be them so called Lightworkers that were caught up within their less than 100% beheld ideologies, but also just loads and loads of them so called Christians as well... and who are also caught up within them same said less than 100% sorta 'real deal' decreeings o'yours put forth there.

Now, from a mathematical pov... and, going along with what Jesus says as well, "Ye shall reap what ye sow."... then I would say that both of their percentiles, and compared to being 100% 'right on'... would more than likely be exponentially proportionate to one another.
(and see there... there's some more of that balance kinda stuff now too, lol)

or... as a wise and very old Middle Eastern story goes... there were these seven blind men and this elephant.... each touched but a part of the elephant and each thought that they had grasped the whole of the elephant...
Needless to say though... methinks/feels, whilst such said portioned graspings may be thought of as being the whole of the dear elephant's 'reality'... they remain, no more and/or no less than, simply aspects thereof.

So then, and by that very statement 'of yours' up there... lol, you think that Christianity/Lightworkers has some sort of a problem, and do ya????... and thus... therefore in need of some sorta solution... eh?
(and again... going along the lines of that ol' Christian perspective like stuff... if the Bible says that "all save the elect shall be deceived"... and 'the elect' is only like 144,000 strong... well... where is there any sort of problem then, and as far as them not up to par percentiles go?)

So if indeed, and within them same regardings... self-deception is the name of the game... or, the problem... then 'tis not a Christianity and/or any Lightworker kinda thang, per se, that be responsible for any said deceptions, games, and/or probs... but rather it's about those who choose for to deceive and/or kid themselves... no?

For example... say I'm sort of a blank slate as far as 'us' and God go... and Brandon comes along and tells me that 'humans are not Gods', right?
Now...what do I do with that, and/or where do I go with it as well? Well...my very first thought would be... is this true????... and then... Brandon's talking that Bible kinda stuff... and right?

Sooooo... I now have a choice.... I can either believe what Brandon is saying, face value... or....I can go to the Bible for to see what it says about it... and so, I start reading. And right off the bat I come to that verse that you deleted on me... and here God is saying that 'we', or man, "is" become as one the them (plural)... and I go... but how can that be????... and cuz Brandon told me it was not so? So who do I believe... what the Bible says that God says... or... what Brandon says? So I come back to Brandon and I ask, "Where are you getting this 'humans are not Gods' stuff?... and cuz that's not what the Bible says... and we are talking Bible stuff, right?"

So then... who is deceiving who here?... the Bible's God or Brandon? Brandon or the Bible's God?... and oh my!

To me then... and since Brandon chose to go that Bible stuff route... I'm thinkin' to meself that I more than likely will go with what the Bible says rather than what Brandon says... and wouldn't you? And I mean, cuz after all, if you be talking Bible stuff, then where is the best place to go for Bible stuff but the Bible.
(and unless of course... Brandon's getting his information to the contrary from somewheres that's even better than the Bible on them Biblical type referencings... and, lol, are you?)







... lol, now that's even up to par with a shoddy try... and tsk and tsk again too.
For how can you be 'unconcerned about the Bible' when your whole schpeel here is comparatively based on it... hell-o. And... are you sure it's any sort of a so called problem with them lightworkers???... or is it just really something of a problem with you?

And too... there are like loads of folks right here on GLP who think that the Bible is a load of shit... and not at all the 'Word of God', or any god... but rather just the ramblings of bunch of lame old farts who had way too much time on their hands.
And I mean really... just because someone writes something down and says it comes from someone or other 'out there' that they may call God/god, or... that it is inspired by God... it sure doesn't necessarily make it so... and does it now?

And soooo... you're telling me that there's no connective dots there on who's channeling who, and/or.... what/who is being channeled by who/what????... lol, where are you? And again, lol, snap out of it.






... doubts????... lol, you are kidding right? What doubts are you speaking of????... or playing to???... yours maybe? ... and no... I didn't miss anything again either... and sorry, lol.
You do know though, and don't you... that any such attributes as that of 'having validity' and/or them ' freedom oriented facilitatings' ... are both very spiritually grounded indeed.... I mean, after all... being qualities they can't be seen, or touched, or smelled, or tasted, or even heard... so they must then be of them ether-ic like realms... no? And if not... please to show me any their physicalities then... and okay????

... and in-facto, lol, the very idea that them so called scientists of ours are looking for the God genome and/or God particles.... lends credence to just the opposite of what you are saying there.
And/or... just check out any of the 'mind-body' science studies a'goin' on now-a-days... and you'll also find that them scientists have discovered, and all pretty much agree on it too... that 'laughter' is a mighty gooder and very strong type of medicine. And so gee... they've discovered something that the Bible has said all along... or... something very spiritually based indeed. A definite plus on the spiritual side of stuff... eh?

Or... science has also finally figured out the energy simply is... and that energy cannot be created or destroyed, but that energy simply changes form. Very spiritual like indeed I'd say... and yes? And too... the very idea of any kinda spiritual type searching/advancement,. and Biblically speaking... says , "Seek and ye shall find. Knock and it shall be opened. Ask and it shall be answered"... and along those very same kinda lines, I would say that science, per se... is right in sync there with the Bible as well.... and again, 'tis very spiritually enhancing like indeed.

And soooo, lol, with all of the team 'spirit' that I can possibly muster up for ya, and from all of the 'pep' squads out there everywheres... I do say with me whole heart... may all of your 'energetic' endeavourings, and/or sowings, also have their 'en-spirited' reapings for you as you may so wish for yourself as well.
(and again... lol, or not)






... lol, you're funny... and cuz you say there what the real question 'for you' is... but... you also do not ask. Odd... lol... very odd indeed.... eh?

And and and, do you even know what the word 'facilitate' means?
Or... and maybe another way of putting it might be... what 'outcome', anywheres and of any kind, happens without them facilitating like qualities being involved? And I say that just as surely as it is quite foolish for to consider one's supposed destination without including 'all of the ways' by which they got there... and wouldn't ya think?

w/luv,
just me

Yes Grasshopper!
You have expressed better what I was getting at when I wrote....
"Problems eventuate when the heart and the mind are not united. That unity is one of the benefits of functional spiritual love consciousness."
If you are in love consciousness your mind is being led by your heart. But of course you still use it to think.
So "thinking with the heart" is actually "thinking aligned with the heart".
There is, however, a 'no-mind' fallacy that goes around which suggests any activity of the mind is a kind of illusion. The mind is always engaged, even quiescently at the subtle higher levels of meditation.... (sub-conscious mind?). It is just that the gross vacillations ('chitta-vrittis') are eliminated.

peace and love... Brandan

Gooderboy!
Thanks for the rant, dude! Shows you're interested, at least.
Hope you are feeling better now you've got it off your chest.
Sorry if precise language sounds elitist to you, but that's how i write.
You are welcome to your emotive style and opinions too, even if I can't make much of them.

peace.... brandan

You are a perfect example of a "JERK!"

You are the reason some posters are apprehensive about getting involved in threads.

You make yourself feel good by picking at others-in reality, we all see your kind for what ya'll are-JERKS!

You make a good point OP-your request seems on the level. Ignore the JERKS and continue your contributions.

Starbug

BTW, gooderboy, you made a slight hash of the quotes of others in your last post.... not all from me!

- "Every one of us human beings has two minds. One is totally ours, and it is like a faint voice that always brings us order, directness, purpose, The other mind is a foreign installation. It brings us conflict, self-assertion, doubts, hopelessness: it's ourselves as the me-me center of the world."
..........from the Teachings of Don Juan by Carlos Castaneda

... you are more than welcome, and I am al-ways interested... lol, hardly any sort of a rant though ... and 'tis not about any kinda precise usage of language either... and also, I am pretty to most sure you can't/won't too.

... lol, nice try but methinks/feels not... ya might just want to try re-reading it again then, and just for your edification's like sake, of course and of course. Or, lol... we could both go through it all together, and if that would make it any easier for ya... and ya think????

Last section has posts from others as well. If want to ask a specific question do so, but I can't (and won't) deal with the voluminous, non-specific and unclear.
cheers dude.... B

me...
... lol, and sooooo then, and precisely speaking, them cognitive reading kinda skills just ain't your forte... hey?

... and so again then, let's maybe just give it another try... here's what your response was...

... you...
"Indeed this is a good question, and you demonstrate a belief that many hold to.
It is not that it is philosophically wrong as a conclusion, but the real question ever is how to make into an existential condition of consciousness, rather than simply a held belief within the context of a normal human consciousness.
Those "greater devotional ideas of affirmation, appreciation, and/or at-one-ment with all of creation, and its sourcings" ther may be, are only to facilitate such an outcome.
Up to you to make these discoveries."
: )
Quoting: Brandan 417630


...me....
... and are with me so far????

Now this is where it may get just a bit tricky for ya... and cuz as you wrote this part of it...

...you...
"Indeed this is a good question, and you demonstrate a belief that many hold to.
It is not that it is philosophically wrong as a conclusion, but the real question ever is how to make into an existential condition of consciousness, rather than simply a held belief within the context of a normal human consciousness."

... me...
... and then I came back with this...
"... lol, you're funny... and cuz you say there what the real question 'for you' is... but... you also do not ask. Odd... lol... very odd indeed.... eh?"



... and than and then... you went on to write...

... you...
"Those "greater devotional ideas of affirmation, appreciation, and/or at-one-ment with all of creation, and its sourcings" ther may be, are only to facilitate such an outcome.
Up to you to make these discoveries."

...me...
... and I responded thusly...

"And and and, do you even know what the word 'facilitate' means?
Or... and maybe another way of putting it might be... what 'outcome', anywheres and of any kind, happens without them facilitating like qualities being involved? And I say that just as surely as it is quite foolish for to consider one's supposed destination without including 'all of the ways' by which they got there... and wouldn't ya think?"

... and there, lol, I do hopes that may make it a bit better for ya... however, lol, that one I do, and 'now' anyways... have me doubts about.

--------

you...
"If want to ask a specific question do so, but I can't (and won't) deal with the voluminous, non-specific and unclear.
cheers dude.... B"

me... lol, real specific usage of the language there... eh?
And... since I'm taking it that you are saying there "if you want"... then I shall come back with... but I already have.
... and... as for rest of it, lol, gee, surprise and surprise... and too... as you may so wish as well.

...later gator,
w/luv,
just me

... oops... lol, mucho sorry up there, and cuz I timed out.

It's a general rhetorical question: as in 'what direction should I go to get where I'm going'.


Yep, that's what I meant to convey.

I'm sorry that I couldn't deconstruct your whole former post.... just way too long for me for a second time round.

cheers... B

try the HeartMath web site and you will see the heart thinks. It has over 10,000 neurons.... and it thinks seperately from the brain...

many lightworkers have been lead astray due to the fact they still work with Ego instead of practicing their work of using the heart center for leading them. They get stuck in their pet projects due to Ego gratification. Most eventually find their way back to the path and let go more Ego along the way. It is growth thing and therefor everyone is where they should be.

As for channeling, each message needs to be discerned with the Heart, no matter who the authors are... and this becomes a challenge to stay in your heart, and not use your head saying Oh these folks are great, lets gulp it all down!

The Heart needs to lead the mind.

This is what i am presently learning and practicing. when I do this...MAGIC...MIRACLES...> so much is in the right way, beyond anything my mind would have thought.

so just my opinion....

more thinking WITH the Heart...> [link to www.heartmath.org]

a good place to see the heart has more neurons than our brain...

It's all a bunch of crap directed at people who should be psychiatric medication, but cannot afford it. It's a looney bin.
I suppose it serves a sociological purpose but its a bunch of false hope and crap.

Many thanks....

Most light workers (contrary to popular belief) have learned their spirituality through sitting in the presence of one who can channel light (not on the internet-contrary to popular belief.) Usually it is taught through one to one teaching and involves a number of core beliefs including but not limited to 'love' and belief in 'God' being the 'magic' and basic unit of life. Any healing or "light working" one may do comes from the ability to channel the energy of that light for the self and on behalf of others.

Until recently I was very skeptical of such belief systems and I do not change my mind easily but while researching for a novel I'm writing, I was fortunate to meet someone who has these abilities. Do not misunderstand me, I do not mean she "pretends to have them" or "manipulates me to think she does". I felt this ability the first time I met her.

Haven't you met these people? We use different words. sometimes we say "X-Factor" sometimes we say "Charismatic" but you know you feel good near them, you love the art they produce, you hear them speak and you want to follow ... this is what light working is.

Many of these individuals change the lives of people around them without doing or saying anything. (This is not to say that there aren't deceitful or confused people calling themselves LW or manipulating people or saying what they think others want to hear.)

Most LW believe in these basics though: (1) In a God and Souls that posses masculine and feminine energy, (2) That our purpose on earth is to learn lessons that allow us to increase our influence and ability to love (sometimes called ascension), (3) That we make agreements with other souls to experience life in a way that teaches us to be who we need to be for this life and to help others (4) That we live many lives in the hopes that we will one day have a better grade of humanity in this an other planes, (5) Some LW do find that these practices give them a great deal of power and they do fall prey to its "call" but most become physicians, teachers, healers, intuitive, etc. with an intention to do well and dedicate their lives to others, (6) Many believe that there is life through the universe and that we are merely one step in a universal evolution.

There are many similarities in basic belief to other esoteric and began traditions from Buddhism to Wicca. One major difference (for better or worse) is the attempt to integrate modern physics and science.

If you meet a "real" LW you will know. This person will not flaunt their belief system, they will not go off on a tangent about 'star babies and crystal children', they will not be obsessed with dogma, converting you, or talking much about themselves, they may, however, have the power to give you a hug on your roughest day and without saying anything have you walk away feeling better than if you'd taken an antidepressant.

What I would say to anyone who really wants to know about LW (not the various internet throw-up) is to make an appointment, meet with one in person, and experience what it is like to sit in the presence of an LW. You will learn much more about this with physical research, than you ever will on the internet.

Much Love.
Cheers.
EB

You go gooderboy!!!! How Are Things in Glocca Morra?


Caruso!!! Long time!!!!!!I know.......I know.......


Dammit, you gotta have heart!

Light - Awareness, Wisdom, Understanding, Empathy.

Light Worker = Bringer of Wisdom, Compassion, and Understanding