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CERN has cancelled all warm up tests for LHC
CERN has cancelled all warm up tests for LHC

NEWS UPDATE FROM NOTEPAD 15 APRIL 2008

CERN has cancelled all warm up tests for LHC in order to keep the deadline. The already lost nearly 3 years after a large explosion in the 27 km tunnel system below Geneva where the want to collide particels at speed over light speed (400000 km per second). Now the are under a lot of pressure by politicians, the military and its own management.

This system is not ready. The new safety report has not been released. The old reports donít prove safety anymore.

They are from 1999.

PLEASE VISIT [link to WWW.NOTEPAD.CH]


I understand that the more dangerous tests - as to risk

of something going really wrong - will be conducted

later on but I was not aware of any oncrete dates

planned. I an always use insider information Wink

Of course it can take 34 days or some more for the real

big danger to come .

My personal theory as a NO SCIENTIST is: As soon as this

things lets particles crash together at over light

speed, something nasty - OR something beautiful could

happen.
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They are pussies

Come on fire it up and let it rip....

I might start to sue them for not using it on time
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This IS actually scaring, and I have had a bad feeling about it for a long time now.
ďSkepticism is the easiest way: believe nothing, do nothing.

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There is nothing to be afraid of. If it goes wrong and we get swallowed by a black hole then what a cool way to go!
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I am not sure to understand what's the deal to HAVE to cancel the warmup, what the problem in starting it a few days later?

Why they have to just do that?

what's the deal really about all this experiment..all this start to get very strange
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I am not sure to understand what's the deal to HAVE to cancel the warmup, what the problem in starting it a few days later?

Why they have to just do that?

what's the deal really about all this experiment..all this start to get very strange
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well i want to know why the US military is there?
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04/17/2008 07:22 AM
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There is nothing to be afraid of. If it goes wrong and we get swallowed by a black hole then what a cool way to go!
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Yeah buddy! I always wanted to be painfully pulled apart, atom by atom, and reassembled somewhere else as a patio block or a jar of ointment or something. I can't wait.
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There is no "over the speed of light". Our universe doesn't support that. We can't accelerate anything over the speed of light. Go th the basment, sit in the dark for hours and try to gasp the theory of relativity. When object having mass (like some heavy particle) aproach the speed of light its mass starts rising exponentaly, thus requierng more and more energy to accelerate just a fraction more. Even if you don't understand how particle accelerator works, you should know we don't have infinetly poweful energy sorce, so we may accelerate something to 99.999999 the speed of light, not more. Tt the speeed of light time stops, and over the speed of light time should go backwards, that is what is happening inside the black hole. (If you are thinking of falling into the black hole, then you are alreday there :) But black holes "overload" spacetime by having too much mass in one place. E=Mc2. Willing to form a stable self sustained black hole we would need EC2 equivalent of energy, where M is the mass of smallest balck hole. We don't have that.

On the other hand, initiating wacuum colapse to lower energy state would be much cooler. Black holes are POP, wacuum colapse happened only once, after over-energetic big bang bubble collapsed to current spacetime.

Sorry for my English :(~
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Re: CERN has cancelled all warm up tests for LHC
CERN has cancelled all warm up tests for LHC

NEWS UPDATE FROM NOTEPAD 15 APRIL 2008

CERN has cancelled all warm up tests for LHC in order to keep the deadline. The already lost nearly 3 years after a large explosion in the 27 km tunnel system below Geneva where the want to collide particels at speed over light speed (400000 km per second). Now the are under a lot of pressure by politicians, the military and its own management.

This system is not ready. The new safety report has not been released. The old reports donít prove safety anymore.

They are from 1999.

PLEASE VISIT [link to WWW.NOTEPAD.CH]


I understand that the more dangerous tests - as to risk

of something going really wrong - will be conducted

later on but I was not aware of any oncrete dates

planned. I an always use insider information Wink

Of course it can take 34 days or some more for the real

big danger to come .

My personal theory as a NO SCIENTIST is: As soon as this

things lets particles crash together at over light

speed, something nasty - OR something beautiful could

happen.
 Quoting: notepad 417504


A: There are more LHC's, this will just be the biggest one to date.

B: I see no mention of the article or references that CERN has cancelled any procedure.

Stop crying.
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04/17/2008 07:31 AM
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Re: CERN has cancelled all warm up tests for LHC
CERN has cancelled all warm up tests for LHC

NEWS UPDATE FROM NOTEPAD 15 APRIL 2008

CERN has cancelled all warm up tests for LHC in order to keep the deadline. The already lost nearly 3 years after a large explosion in the 27 km tunnel system below Geneva where the want to collide particels at speed over light speed (400000 km per second). Now the are under a lot of pressure by politicians, the military and its own management.

This system is not ready. The new safety report has not been released. The old reports donít prove safety anymore.

The speed of light is not 400 000 km/s, even not nearly, U Kelly debilly child.

Baraka.

They are from 1999.

PLEASE VISIT [link to WWW.NOTEPAD.CH]


I understand that the more dangerous tests - as to risk

of something going really wrong - will be conducted

later on but I was not aware of any oncrete dates

planned. I an always use insider information Wink

Of course it can take 34 days or some more for the real

big danger to come .

My personal theory as a NO SCIENTIST is: As soon as this

things lets particles crash together at over light

speed, something nasty - OR something beautiful could

happen.
 Quoting: notepad 417504
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CERN has cancelled all warm up tests for LHC

NEWS UPDATE FROM NOTEPAD 15 APRIL 2008

CERN has cancelled all warm up tests for LHC in order to keep the deadline. The already lost nearly 3 years after a large explosion in the 27 km tunnel system below Geneva where the want to collide particels at speed over light speed (400000 km per second). Now the are under a lot of pressure by politicians, the military and its own management.

This system is not ready. The new safety report has not been released. The old reports donít prove safety anymore.

They are from 1999.

PLEASE VISIT [link to WWW.NOTEPAD.CH]


I understand that the more dangerous tests - as to risk

of something going really wrong - will be conducted

later on but I was not aware of any oncrete dates

planned. I an always use insider information Wink

Of course it can take 34 days or some more for the real

big danger to come .

My personal theory as a NO SCIENTIST is: As soon as this

things lets particles crash together at over light

speed, something nasty - OR something beautiful could

happen.
 Quoting: notepad 417504


The speed of light is not 400 000 km/s - even not 'nearly',
U Kelly debilly child.

Baraka.
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I am not sure to understand what's the deal to HAVE to cancel the warmup, what the problem in starting it a few days later?

Why they have to just do that?

what's the deal really about all this experiment..all this start to get very strange


well i want to know why the US military is there?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 361183



I didnt know they where, what's the deal with all this still a mistery, do someone really know what they actually trying to do?

because to form a small black hole for a fraction of a second dont explain the enaourmous expense of money and time they used to make this stuff.
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Re: CERN has cancelled all warm up tests for LHC
I am not sure to understand what's the deal to HAVE to cancel the warmup, what the problem in starting it a few days later?

Why they have to just do that?

what's the deal really about all this experiment..all this start to get very strange


well i want to know why the US military is there?



I didnt know they where, what's the deal with all this still a mistery, do someone really know what they actually trying to do?

because to form a small black hole for a fraction of a second dont explain the enaourmous expense of money and time they used to make this stuff.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 417507


[link to www.cernwatch.com] the info is on this guys blog who claims to work there.

But they dont know what they are doing same as they dont know what will happen when they turn it on ..I quote one of the guys from Cern on the Horizon doc..
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Re: CERN has cancelled all warm up tests for LHC
Big projects often have optimistic schedules which have "critical paths." If any small thing perturbs the critical path, then the effects propagate to the schedule as a whole.

The LHC had some improperly secured magnets which came loose in a testing phase and had to be redesigned and rebuilt.

So the later dates are probably the most recently revised schedule.

Also, the LHC doesn't turn on with a switch. So there may be weeks of fine tuning before they attempt particle collisions. The 27 kilometers of LHC must keep track of unavoidable motions at the sub-millimeter scale. So the exact start date depends both on what criteria you use to label a milestone as a start date and how the schedule changes ("slips") over time.

In February, the "Cold Date" for all 8 segments to be cold at 1.9 K was June 1, and the first time protons will be used is given as mid-June.
[link to indico.cern.ch] 7)

Only one of the eight segments of the ring have passed the cool-down tests.
[link to lhc-new-homepage.web.cern.ch]

And some vacuum leaks may have slowed down the schedule by 2 more weeks.
[link to foraz.web.cern.ch]
Press Release Update 17. April (OP)
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Thanks a lot for this information. You are not a coward. You are a hero.

This is an PRESS RELEASE from notepad publishing Geneva Switzerland. Based on insider information

Date: 17. April 2008
Time: 14.48 Geneva Switzerland Time
Titel: 34 days left. Urgent update.
Source: www.notepad.ch

Project Plan Update:
If small issue perturbs critical path, then the effects propagate to the schedule as a whole.

Current issues:
The LHC had some improperly secured magnets which came loose in a testing phase and had to be redesigned and rebuilt.
Vacuum leaks may have slowed down the schedule by 2 more weeks.

Opinion:
Also, the LHC doesn't turn on with a switch. So there may be weeks of fine tuning before they attempt particle collisions. The 27 kilometers of LHC must keep track of unav
oidable motions at the sub-millimeter scale. So the exact start date depends both on what criteria you use to label a milestone as a start date and how the schedule changes ("slips") over time.


1. Times protons used: 15. June 2008
2. Cold Date (all 8 segments cold: 1. June 2008
more info: indico.cern.ch

Current Test results:
Only one of the eight segments of the ring have passed the cool-down tests.
more info: lhc-new-homepage.web.cern.ch

Visit www.notepad.ch for more information

And some vacuum leaks may have slowed down the schedule by 2 more weeks.
[link to foraz.web.cern.ch]
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oh, I hope it blows in their face...
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what press release update all you did was copy paste the info I wrote.

Wow special
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There is no "over the speed of light". Our universe doesn't support that. We can't accelerate anything over the speed of light. Go th the basment, sit in the dark for hours and try to gasp the theory of relativity. When object having mass (like some heavy particle) aproach the speed of light its mass starts rising exponentaly, thus requierng more and more energy to accelerate just a fraction more. Even if you don't understand how particle accelerator works, you should know we don't have infinetly poweful energy sorce, so we may accelerate something to 99.999999 the speed of light, not more.
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If you fired particles at near light speed at each other from opposite directions, their closing and collision speed would be nearly 2 times the speed of light.
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The sooner they fire it up, the sooner we get portable black holes. what are they waiting for???
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The tests will go on, regardless of who wants to stop them.

The birth of the world's time-travel program begins at CERN.
It's history in the making.
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what press release update all you did was copy paste the info I wrote.

Wow special
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Wow, what a cry baby.
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There is no "over the speed of light". Our universe doesn't support that. We can't accelerate anything over the speed of light. Go th the basment, sit in the dark for hours and try to gasp the theory of relativity. When object having mass (like some heavy particle) aproach the speed of light its mass starts rising exponentaly, thus requierng more and more energy to accelerate just a fraction more. Even if you don't understand how particle accelerator works, you should know we don't have infinetly poweful energy sorce, so we may accelerate something to 99.999999 the speed of light, not more.

If you fired particles at near light speed at each other from opposite directions, their closing and collision speed would be nearly 2 times the speed of light.
 Quoting: G. House



Learn relativity. The whole trick of our space-time is that you CAN NOT ADD SPEEDS.

Train going 100 mph, and me running on the train 10 mph the same direction, I am not moving 110 mph from the perspactive of the ground. I am moving a little bit slower.

Time itself slows down from speed.

Don't worry I spent countles hours getting rid of newtonian thinking (though they work pretty well at speed we are used to)
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Thank you for all this action.

I am a simple citizen who is concerned. I'm not a scientist - I spent the last 72 hours in building the blog at www.notepad.ch and communicating this to the world. I did not have time for food or little time to sleep - so please help me forwarding the message.

I am just a concerned citizen.

And I am NOT against the LHC.

I just ask for a new security evaluation and a proper consultation of the public and its representants. Until this is done, I request a full Stop on the project.

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Didnt John Titor say that his time machine used two stable mini Singularities ? AKA Black Holes
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Didnt John Titor say that his time machine used two stable mini Singularities ? AKA Black Holes
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I dont know but yes, the black holes production is a mayor feature of the LHC.

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what press release update all you did was copy paste the info I wrote.

Wow special


Wow, what a cry baby.
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Sorry, I'm a bit under time pressure. This post was just to inform you that your information will be included in a press release from me.

I'm 100% sure you know a great lot more about all this than me. I'm not scientist. I'm just a concerned citizen.

All the information about progress at the CERN concerning the LHC is rumours. I cannot find any official dates from cern.

Why this?

So, sorry for not making it clear that your information is very valuable and thank you for it.

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There is nothing to be afraid of. If it goes wrong and we get swallowed by a black hole then what a cool way to go!

Yeah buddy! I always wanted to be painfully pulled apart, atom by atom, and reassembled somewhere else as a patio block or a jar of ointment or something. I can't wait.
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Cool! An infinite improbability drive!
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There is no "over the speed of light". Our universe doesn't support that. We can't accelerate anything over the speed of light. Go th the basment, sit in the dark for hours and try to gasp the theory of relativity. When object having mass (like some heavy particle) aproach the speed of light its mass starts rising exponentaly, thus requierng more and more energy to accelerate just a fraction more. Even if you don't understand how particle accelerator works, you should know we don't have infinetly poweful energy sorce, so we may accelerate something to 99.999999 the speed of light, not more.

If you fired particles at near light speed at each other from opposite directions, their closing and collision speed would be nearly 2 times the speed of light.



Learn relativity. The whole trick of our space-time is that you CAN NOT ADD SPEEDS.

Train going 100 mph, and me running on the train 10 mph the same direction, I am not moving 110 mph from the perspactive of the ground. I am moving a little bit slower.

Time itself slows down from speed.

Don't worry I spent countles hours getting rid of newtonian thinking (though they work pretty well at speed we are used to)
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...?...
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Train going 100 mph, and me running on the train 10 mph the same direction, I am not moving 110 mph from the perspactive of the ground. I am moving a little bit slower.

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In relation to a fixed point on the ground you would indeed be going 110 mph, until you ran out of train.

If two automobiles are traveling toward each other at 40 mph their CLOSING RATE is 80mph.
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Train going 100 mph, and me running on the train 10 mph the same direction, I am not moving 110 mph from the perspactive of the ground. I am moving a little bit slower.



In relation to a fixed point on the ground you would indeed be going 110 mph, until you ran out of train.

If two automobiles are traveling toward each other at 40 mph their CLOSING RATE is 80mph.

The point of that being the closing rate being higher than the speed of light gives a higher energy on collision than hitting a stationary target at the speed of light.
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Thank you for all this action.

I am a simple citizen who is concerned. I'm not a scientist - I spent the last 72 hours in building the blog at www.notepad.ch and communicating this to the world. I did not have time for food or little time to sleep - so please help me forwarding the message.

I am just a concerned citizen.

And I am NOT against the LHC.

I just ask for a new security evaluation and a proper consultation of the public and its representants. Until this is done, I request a full Stop on the project.

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 Quoting: notepad.ch 417504


A proper consultation of the public who is fed disinfo and doesn't even understand what a LHC can and can't do?

How can that ever be proper?

Oh and the public representatives have been properly consulted, heck our "house of representatives" (the tweede kamer) have agreed to increase spending on CERN ever since the LHC was announced.


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