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A temple dated to 9,500BC has been discovered in Turkey. The significance of this discovery cannot be overstated. Such a find has the potential to alter forever the existing paradigm of human development and demonstrates conclusively that complex societies existed in our most remote past, thousands of years before Stonehenge and the Giza Pyramids were built.
Here is the article reporting excavations at the Turkish site:

TURKEY: DISCOVERY OF 12,000-YEAR-OLD TEMPLE COMPLEX COULD ALTER THEORY OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
Nicholas Birch 4/17/08
Eurasianet.org

As a child, Klaus Schmidt used to grub around in caves in his native Germany in the hope of finding prehistoric paintings. Thirty years later, representing the German Archaeological Institute, he found something infinitely more important -- a temple complex almost twice as old as anything comparable on the planet.

"This place is a supernova", says Schmidt, standing under a lone tree on a windswept hilltop 35 miles north of Turkey’s border with Syria. "Within a minute of first seeing it I knew I had two choices: go away and tell nobody, or spend the rest of my life working here."

Behind him are the first folds of the Anatolian plateau. Ahead, the Mesopotamian plain, like a dust-colored sea, stretches south hundreds of miles to Baghdad and beyond. The stone circles of Gobekli Tepe are just in front, hidden under the brow of the hill.

Compared to Stonehenge, Britain’s most famous prehistoric site, they are humble affairs. None of the circles excavated (four out of an estimated 20) are more than 30 meters across. What makes the discovery remarkable are the carvings of boars, foxes, lions, birds, snakes and scorpions, and their age. Dated at around 9,500 BC, these stones are 5,500 years older than the first cities of Mesopotamia, and 7,000 years older than Stonehenge.

Never mind circular patterns or the stone-etchings, the people who erected this site did not even have pottery or cultivate wheat. They lived in villages. But they were hunters, not farmers.

"Everybody used to think only complex, hierarchical civilizations could build such monumental sites, and that they only came about with the invention of agriculture", says Ian Hodder, a Stanford University Professor of Anthropology, who, since 1993, has directed digs at Catalhoyuk, Turkey’s most famous Neolithic site. "Gobekli changes everything. It’s elaborate, it’s complex and it is pre-agricultural. That fact alone makes the site one of the most important archaeological finds in a very long time."

With only a fraction of the site opened up after a decade of excavations, Gobekli Tepe’s significance to the people who built it remains unclear. Some think the site was the center of a fertility rite, with the two tall stones at the center of each circle representing a man and woman.

It’s a theory the tourist board in the nearby city of Urfa has taken up with alacrity. Visit the Garden of Eden, its brochures trumpet, see Adam and Eve.

Schmidt is skeptical about the fertility theory. He agrees Gobekli Tepe may well be "the last flowering of a semi-nomadic world that farming was just about to destroy," and points out that if it is in near perfect condition today, it is because those who built it buried it soon after under tons of soil, as though its wild animal-rich world had lost all meaning.

But the site is devoid of the fertility symbols that have been found at other Neolithic sites, and the T-shaped columns, while clearly semi-human, are sexless. "I think here we are face to face with the earliest representation of gods", says Schmidt, patting one of the biggest stones. "They have no eyes, no mouths, no faces. But they have arms and they have hands. They are makers."

"In my opinion, the people who carved them were asking themselves the biggest questions of all," Schmidt continued. "What is this universe? Why are we here?"

With no evidence of houses or graves near the stones, Schmidt believes the hill top was a site of pilgrimage for communities within a radius of roughly a hundred miles. He notes how the tallest stones all face southeast, as if scanning plains that are scattered with archeological sites in many ways no less remarkable than Gobekli Tepe.

Last year, for instance, French archaeologists working at Djade al-Mughara in northern Syria uncovered the oldest mural ever found. "Two square meters of geometric shapes, in red, black and white - a bit like a Paul Klee painting," explains Eric Coqueugniot, the University of Lyon archaeologist who is leading the excavation.

Coqueugniot describes Schmidt’s hypothesis that Gobekli Tepe was meeting point for feasts, rituals and sharing ideas as "tempting," given the site’s spectacular position. But he emphasizes that surveys of the region are still in their infancy. "Tomorrow, somebody might find somewhere even more dramatic."

Director of a dig at Korpiktepe, on the Tigris River about 120 miles east of Urfa, Vecihi Ozkaya doubts the thousands of stone pots he has found since 2001 in hundreds of 11,500 year-old graves quite qualify as that. But his excitement fills his austere office at Dicle University in Diyarbakir.

"Look at this", he says, pointing at a photo of an exquisitely carved sculpture showing an animal, half-human, half-lion. "It’s a sphinx, thousands of years before Egypt. Southeastern Turkey, northern Syria - this region saw the wedding night of our civilization."

Editor’s Note: Nicolas Birch specializes in Turkey, Iran and the Middle East.

Posted April 17, 2008 © Eurasianet
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Photos of the site in southern Turkey and carvings at:
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[link to www.thefirstpost.co.uk]
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Possibly the oldest known statue of a human being, found at Gobekli Tepe:
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finally, something remotely interesting around here.
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And right around that time a great cosmic catastrophe happened in 9500 BC
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Cool!
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BUMP

for huge implications for archeology!
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Video of the excavated site:


(Not in English)
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"Everybody used to think only complex, hierarchical civilizations could build such monumental sites, and that they only came about with the invention of agriculture"


Yea some stone age man one day just picked up a usless grass seed and thought oh maybe if i picked the biggest looking seed and planeted it and then waited for it to grow and then picked the biggest seed from that and planeted it and so on for the next several hundred and many generations to come years maybe one day my great great great great great grandaughter i might have seeds big enough to harvest easily and become a very useful food source, maybe she could plant fields of them and support a vast population in a big city! Comon boys, no cave painting today help me find the biggest seed in this here grass we need to get domesticating this here grass so one day in the distant future it might be useful!!
Cavemen friends; "hows about bollocks"
honesty the shit the scientists just theorize appeared overnight with no actual explanation for it and just expect us to accept with no question.
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BUMP. its an interesting find.
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It might not be as big as stonehenge, but what they are digging up seems remarkably well preserved, better than stonehenge.

And those relief carvings on the pillars in the second video are outstanding. That was a pretty good artist for 12,000 years ago. The Michaelangelo of prehistory!

That'll be quite the tourist attraction when they dig it all out.
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BUT BUT BUT the world is only 6000 yrs old .How can this be?
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I myself doubt the official age of the pyramids at giza or the sphinx, ,especially considering the proven water erosion or the sphinx.
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And the destruction of Atlantis was said to be right around that time too! 9500 B.C.

Notice, the rocks! They are monoliths! It is all about the monolith! :)
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Very interesting!
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Pretty interesting stuff.
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Nice find OP! Pity I can't understand what they're saying in the videos though.
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"Everybody used to think only complex, hierarchical civilizations could build such monumental sites, and that they only came about with the invention of agriculture", says Ian Hodder, a Stanford University Professor of Anthropology, who, since 1993, has directed digs at Catalhoyuk, Turkey’s most famous Neolithic site. "Gobekli changes everything. It’s elaborate, it’s complex and it is pre-agricultural. That fact alone makes the site one of the most important archaeological finds in a very long time."

 Quoting: Cholem Yesodeth



Just because the people who might have used the complex
were pre-agricultural does not necessarily mean the people
who actually built it were pre-agricultural.

12000 years from now, scientists digging around in the strata,
might think Muslims built Stonehenge and the grand churches
of Europe... and Negroes built Washington DC.



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The monolith!!

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Now I am beginning to wonder what all this talk about with the humming noise people are hearing now. I even heard it a few nights ago, this frequency pitch. I wonder if it has to do with the monolith!
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but da biblie sez urth is onlie 4769 yeers ole!
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but da biblie sez urth is onlie 4769 yeers ole!
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lol only for small minded fanatics! :) :iamwith:
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I wonder what the first thought was when humans, or at least one of our evolutionary ancestors, first gained the concious thought.

I bet it was something really mundane.
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I wonder if any of the carving are ASTRONOMICAL? I think I saw a scorpion, could it represent "scorpio"?

Many of the hieroglyphs in Egypt were misunderstood first, then they found out they represented "myths" about the "heavenly kingdom" and precession.
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Wonderful post, thank you !
I think the pyramids were created by our ancestors, the ET's. I also think it possible, after photo'ing UFO's & UFO cloudships for a year, seeing structures that look like pyramids & sphinx's in the sky, slighltly obscured by cloud vapor, that the mystery may be unraveling.
I theorize now that the pyramids, sphinx's, and other monumental structures of old are not buildings, per se, but rather UFO's that landed with intent to earth homes for large populations. also, as beacons of a sort, saying from earth to space, that 'they' live here.
It may have become necessary to disguise these Craft/Buildings from warring space civilizations, or possibly to protect them from the elements.
It would have made many things they took for granted easy, such as high tech, beaming them back and forth, satellite & radio transmissions.
I believe our civilizations coexisted together, shared knowledge, maybe travel, and more. The ET's, our ancestors, must had escaped earth catastrophies, and left behind what I believe will be found to be craft encased in what we think are ancient buildings.

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This book talks about this Temple in depth.

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"Everybody used to think only complex, hierarchical civilizations could build such monumental sites, and that they only came about with the invention of agriculture", says Ian Hodder, a Stanford University Professor of Anthropology, who, since 1993, has directed digs at Catalhoyuk, Turkey’s most famous Neolithic site. "Gobekli changes everything. It’s elaborate, it’s complex and it is pre-agricultural. That fact alone makes the site one of the most important archaeological finds in a very long time."




Just because the people who might have used the complex
were pre-agricultural does not necessarily mean the people
who actually built it were pre-agricultural.

12000 years from now, scientists digging around in the strata,
might think Muslims built Stonehenge and the grand churches
of Europe... and Negroes built Washington DC.



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 Quoting: Is45


Are you saying an agricultural people built created this site and were then displaced by a hunter gather society who were later displaced by an agricultural society? Whats your fucking point?
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Are you saying an agricultural people built created this site and were then displaced by a hunter gather society who were later displaced by an agricultural society? Whats your fucking point?

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If you can't understand my point from my post,
then you are beyond my help... sorry.


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Are you saying an agricultural people built created this site and were then displaced by a hunter gather society who were later displaced by an agricultural society? Whats your fucking point?




If you can't understand my point from my post,
then you are beyond my help... sorry.


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Well help me out, im a product of nationalized education, its not my fault. Flesh it out for me - who built the temple? Fucking pleidians? I bet you think its the pliedians.
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BUT BUT BUT the world is only 6000 yrs old .How can this be?
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Some geophysicists tell us the earth is 4.7 billions years old. If you are using the Bible to date the earth to 6000yrs old, that 501c3 teaching is incorrect.

There has been many lost ancient civilizations, before 6000 years.

In the end of times, many hidden things will be discovered, secrets revealed & knowledge increased.

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