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King James was a sadist & sodomite

 
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The Story of King James (the bible guy)


For the last three centuries Protestants have fancied themselves the heirs of the Reformation, the Puritans, the Calvinists, and the Pilgrims who landed at Plymouth Rock. This assumption is one of history's greatest ironies. Today, Protestants laboring under that assumption use the King James Bible. Most of the new Bibles such as the Revised Standard Version are simply updates of the King James.

The irony is that none of the groups named in the preceding paragraph used a King James Bible nor would they have used it if it had been given to them free. The Bible in use by those groups, until it went out of print in 1644, was the Geneva Bible. The first Geneva Bible, both Old and New Testaments, was first published in English in 1560 in what is now Geneva, Switzerland. William Shakespeare, John Bunyan, John Milton, the Pilgrims who landed on Plymouth Rock in 1620, and other luminaries of that era used the Geneva Bible exclusively.

Until he had his own version named after him, so did King James I of England. James I later tried to disclaim any knowledge of the Geneva Bible, though he quoted the Geneva Bible in his own writings. As a Professor Eadie reported it:

"...his virtual disclaimer of all knowledge up to a late period of the Genevan notes and version was simply a bold, unblushing falsehood, a clumsy attempt to sever himself and his earlier Scottish beliefs and usages that he might win favor with his English churchmen."

The irony goes further. King James did not encourage a translation of the Bible in order to enlighten the common people: his sole intent was to deny them the marginal notes of the Geneva Bible. The marginal notes of the Geneva version were what made it so popular with the common people.

The King James Bible was, and is for all practical purposes, a government publication. There were several reasons for the King James Bible being a government publication. First, King James I of England was a devout believer in the "divine right of kings," a philosophy ingrained in him by his mother, Mary Stuart. Mary Stuart may have been having an affair with her Italian secretary, David Rizzio, at the time she conceived James. There is a better than even chance that James was the product of adultery. Apparently, enough evidence of such conduct on the part of Mary Stuart and David Rizzio existed to cause various Scot nobles, including Mary's own husband, King Henry, to drag David Rizzio from Mary's supper table and execute him. The Scot nobles hacked and slashed at the screaming Rizzio with knives and swords, and then threw him off a balcony to the courtyard below where he landed with a sickening smack. In the phrase of that day, he had been scotched.

Mary did have affairs with other men, such as the Earl of Bothwell. She later tried to execute her husband in a gunpowder explosion that shook all of Edinburgh. King Henry survived the explosion only to be suffocated later that same night. The murderers were never discovered. Mary was eventually beheaded at the order of her cousin, Elizabeth I of England.

To such individuals as James and his mother, Mary, the "divine right of kings" meant that since a king's power came from God, the king then had to answer to no one but God. This lack of responsibility extended to evil kings. The reasoning was that if a king was evil, that was a punishment sent from God. The citizens should then suffer in silence. If a king was good, that was a blessing sent from God.

This is why the Geneva Bible annoyed King James I. The Geneva Bible had marginal notes that simply didn't conform to that point of view. Those marginal notes had been, to a great extent, placed in the Geneva Bible by the leaders of the Reformation, including John Knox and John Calvin. Knox and Calvin could not and cannot be dismissed lightly or their opinions passed off to the public as the mere ditherings of dissidents.

First, notes such as, "When tyrants cannot prevail by craft they burst forth into open rage" (Note i, Exodus 1:22) really bothered King James.
Second, religion in James' time was not what it is today. In that era religion was controlled by the government. If someone lived in Spain at the time, he had three religious
"choices:"

1. Roman Catholicism

2. Silence

3. The Inquisition

The third "option" was reserved for "heretics," or people who didn't think the way the government wanted them to. To governments of that era heresy and treason were synonymous.

England wasn't much different. From the time of Henry VIII on, an Englishman had three choices:

1. The Anglican Church

2. Silence

3. The rack, burning at the stake, being drawn and quartered, or some other form of persuasion.

The hapless individuals who fell into the hands of the government for holding religious opinions of their own were simply punished according to the royal whim.

Henry VIII, once he had appointed himself head of all the English churches, kept the Roman Catholic system of bishops, deacons and the like for a very good reason. That system allowed him a "chain of command" necessary for any bureaucracy to function. This system passed intact to his heirs.

This system became a little confusing for English citizens when Bloody Mary ascended to the throne. Mary wanted everyone to switch back to Roman Catholicism. Those who proved intransigent and wanted to remain Protestant she burned at the stake - about 300 people in all. She intended to burn a lot more, but the rest of her intended victims escaped by leaving the country. A tremendous number of those intended victims settled in Geneva. Religious refugees from other countries in Western Europe, including the French theologian Jean Chauvin, better known as John Calvin, also settled there.

Mary died and was succeeded in the throne by her Protestant cousin, Elizabeth. The Anglican bureaucracy returned, less a few notables such as Archbishop Cranmer and Hugh Latimer (both having been burned at the stake by Bloody Mary). In Scotland, John Knox led the Reformation. The Reformation prospered in Geneva. Many of those who had fled Bloody Mary started a congregation there. Their greatest effort and contribution to the Reformation was the first Geneva Bible.

More marginal notes were added to later editions. By the end of the 16th century, the Geneva Bible had about all the marginal notes there was space available to put them in.

Geneva was an anomaly in 16th century Europe. In the days of absolute despotism and constant warfare, Geneva achieved her independence primarily by constant negotiation, playing off one stronger power against another. While other governments allowed lawyers to drag out cases and took months and years to get rid of corrupt officials, the City of Geneva dispatched most civil and criminal cases within a month and threw corrupt officials into jail the day after they were found out. The academy that John Calvin founded there in 1559 later became the University of Geneva. Religious wars wracked Europe. The Spanish fought to restore Roman Catholicism to Western Europe. The Dutch fought for the Reformation and religious freedom. England, a small country with only 4-1/2 million people, managed to stay aloof because of the natural advantage of the English Channel.

The Dutch declared religious freedom for everybody. Amsterdam became an open city. English Puritans arrived by the boatload. The 1599 Edition of the Geneva Bible was printed in Amsterdam and London in large quantities until well into the 17th century.

King James, before he became James I of England, made it plain that he had no use for the "Dutch rebels" who had rebelled against their Spanish King. Another irony left to us from the 16th century is that the freedom of religion and freedom of the press did not originate in England, as many people commonly assume today. Those freedoms were first given to Protestants by the Dutch, as the records of that era plainly show. England today does not have freedom of the press the way we understand it. (There are things in England such as the Official Secrets Act that often land journalists in jail.)

England was relatively peaceful in the time of Elizabeth I. There was the problem of the Spanish Armada, but that was brief. Elizabeth later became known as "Good Queen Bess," not because she was so good, but because her successor was so bad. Elizabeth died in 1603 and her cousin, James Stuart, son of Mary Stuart, who up until that time had been King James VI of Scotland ascended the throne and became known as King James I of England. James ascended the throne of England with the "divine right of kings" firmly embedded in his mind. Unfortunately, that wasn't his only mental problem.

King James I, among his many other faults, preferred young boys to adult women. He was a flaming homosexual. His activities in that regard have been recorded in numerous books and public records; so much so, that there is no room for debate on the subject. The King was queer.
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continued...The very people who use the King James Bible today would be the first ones to throw such a deviant out of the congregations.

The depravity of King James I didn't end with sodomy. James enjoyed killing animals. He called it "hunting." Once he killed an animal, he would literally roll about in its blood. Some believe that he practiced bestiality while the animal lay dying.

James was a sadist as well as a sodomite: he enjoyed torturing people. While King of Scotland in 1591, he personally supervised the torture of poor wretches caught up in the witchcraft trials of Scotland. James would even suggest new tortures to the examiners. One "witch," Barbara Napier, was acquitted. That event so angered James that he wrote personally to the court on May 10, 1551, ordering a sentence of death, and had the jury called into custody. To make sure they understood their particular offense, the King himself presided at a new hearing - and was gracious enough to release them without punishment when they reversed their verdict.

History has it that James was also a great coward. On January 7, 1591, the king was in Edinburgh and emerged from the toll booth. A retinue followed that included the Duke of Lennox and Lord Hume. They fell into an argument with the laird of Logie and pulled their swords. James looked behind, saw the steel flashing, and fled into the nearest refuge which turned out to be a skinner's booth. There to his shame, he "fouled his breeches in fear."

In short, King James I was the kind of despicable creature honorable men loathed, Christians would not associate with, and the Bible itself orders to be put to death (Leviticus 20:13). Knowing what King James was we can easily discern his motives.

James ascended the English throne in 1603. He wasted no time in ordering a new edition of the Bible in order to deny the common people the marginal notes they so valued in the Geneva Bible. That James I wasn't going to have any marginal notes to annoy him and lead English citizens away from what he wanted them to think is a matter of public record. In an account corrected with his own hand dated February 10, 1604, he ordained:

That a translation be made of the whole Bible, as consonant as can be to the original Hebrew and Greek, and this to be set out and printed without any marginal notes, and only to be used in all churches of England in time of divine service. James then set up rules that made it impossible for anyone involved in the project to make an honest translation, some of which follow:

1. The ordinary Bible read in the church, commonly called the Bishop's Bible to be followed and as little altered as the truth of the original will permit.

2. Or, since the common people preferred the Geneva Bible to the existing government publication, let's see if we can slip a superseding government publication onto their bookshelves, altered as little as possible.

3. The old Ecclesiastical words to be kept, viz. the word "church" not to be translated "congregation," etc.

4. That is, if a word should be translated a certain way, let's deliberately mistranslate it to make the people think God still belongs to the Anglican Church - exclusively.

5. No marginal notes at all to be affixed, but only for the explanation of the Hebrew or Greek words, which cannot without some circumlocution, so briefly and fitly be expressed in the text.

*** You can find more info at Otto Scott's "James I: The Fool As King" (Ross House: 1976), pp. 108, 111, 120, 194, 200, 224, 311, 353, 382; King James-VI of Scotland/I of England by Antonia Fraser (Alfred A. Knopf, New York 1975)pp. 36, 37, 38; King James VI and I by David Harris Willson, pp.36, 99; James I by his Contemporaries by Robert Ashton, p114; and A History of England by Samuel Rawson Gardiner, Vol. 4, p.112. Check also A LITERARY HISTORY OF THE BIBLE by Geddes MacGregor who has devoted a whole chapter entitled "QUEEN" JAMES.

The Mammoth Book of Private Lives by Jon E. Lewis, pp. 62,65,66

James White also makes mention of it in his book, THE KING JAMES ONLY CONTROVERSY.

See also King James and the History of Homosexuality by Michael B. Young

and King James and Letters of Homoerotic Desire by David Moore Bergeron.
For those people who feel that the above is a result of the attack on King James by the 17th century tobacco industry are ignorant of the fact that his behavior and personal life were quite well known to his contemporaries. "He disdained women and fawned unconscionably on his favorite men." ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA-pp. 674,675

"And shall I then like bird or beast forget
For any storms that threatening heaven can send
The object sweet, where on my heart is set
Whom for to serve my senses all I bend?..."

A poem written by King James to his homosexual love interest (pictured above, Esme Stuart).
King James-VI of Scotland/I of England, by Antonia Fraser, New York 1975

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Geneva over the KJV, and the original Greek and Hebrew texts
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THE CHRISTAIN ELITE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO HIDE THIS FOR YEARS 'JUST LIKE SOME WELL KNOW PEOPLE HAVE THEIR PAST WIPED CLEAN.
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Remember, remember the Fifth of November,
The Gunpowder Treason and Plot....

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I believe in the Bible, but there are those who are militantly KJV only that don't even look up it's history. The previous Bibles were better, imo
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I read The Bible as a 'playbook' - sometimes it reveals the plots and evil devices of the enemy.
Sometimes it contains words and messages that are helpful to the 'good' side/to gain victory over the evil.
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Whether all those things be true or not - none of us knows.

BUT

King James had the Bible translated by Greek and Hebrew scholars. He did not do it himself.

So I fail to see how anything he did in his personal life, tarnishes the Bible translation itself. It does not.
Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

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Be Still! - And know that He is God.
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sounds like he'd fit right in with the current ministers and priests and religious zealots if he were alive today
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bible thumpers=boy humpers
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Whether all those things be true or not - none of us knows.

BUT

King James had the Bible translated by Greek and Hebrew scholars. He did not do it himself.

So I fail to see how anything he did in his personal life, tarnishes the Bible translation itself. It does not.
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He edited it, did you not read the post? No you did not!!! I can tell by what you write. Your EGO rules your heart!

He may have had alot of scholars do the intial work but he had final say and wrote peices for it. I have read four other accounts all saying the same thing.

You do not have to care, especially if you are a member of that cult CLDS! They love pedophiles running the show!

We all can read and see there is truth to this post, like 90%! I read several books a week, so I run across loads of cross references. this one is the most consice!

do you read at all? You did not read this postand then why comment in ingnorance? EGO, defence.

Defending that book on your shelf no doubt! So be it!
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Already seen this attack.
Frankly it's getting tiresome.

Same old same old.

Hey satanists when are you actually going to come up with some new material?
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Whether all those things be true or not - none of us knows.

BUT

King James had the Bible translated by Greek and Hebrew scholars. He did not do it himself.

So I fail to see how anything he did in his personal life, tarnishes the Bible translation itself. It does not.



He edited it, did you not read the post? No you did not!!! I can tell by what you write. Your EGO rules your heart!

He may have had alot of scholars do the intial work but he had final say and wrote peices for it. I have read four other accounts all saying the same thing.

You do not have to care, especially if you are a member of that cult CLDS! They love pedophiles running the show!

We all can read and see there is truth to this post, like 90%! I read several books a week, so I run across loads of cross references. this one is the most consice!

do you read at all? You did not read this postand then why comment in ingnorance? EGO, defence.

Defending that book on your shelf no doubt! So be it!
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You are entitled to your opinion - as am I.

I will pray for you - that you be able to see the difference in God and His Word and the actions of men.

I can see your character by the personal attack you launched at me for no reason other than that I disagreed with you.
Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

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Here's information on King James 1 of England
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I read something in my family history one of my ancestors
from england helped in that translation(Layfield)was his name.
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Catholic lies centuries old!
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1 Timothy 5:13 And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
1 Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
1 Timothy 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan.
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1 Timothy 5:13 And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
1 Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
1 Timothy 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan.
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sounds like Pamela.
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WAS KING JAMES A HOMOSEXUAL?
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Whether all those things be true or not - none of us knows.

BUT

King James had the Bible translated by Greek and Hebrew scholars. He did not do it himself.

So I fail to see how anything he did in his personal life, tarnishes the Bible translation itself. It does not.
 Quoting: CountryGirl


Contrary to what you say, there is much that we know today about King James. And some of what we know is not all that good.

What I find strange is that anyone would take the complete, inspired and inerrant Word of God and dedicate it to a temporal monarch, even a just and noble one. I almost gag every time I hear the words: “The King James Version.”

Can’t the Christian community come up with a better name??

What would Jesus name it?? Do you think Jesus would like His Book dedicated to a secular head of state? I mean after King Herod and Pontius Pilate, I really don’t think He cares a lot for governors and kings and would prefer complete disassociation.

How about “The Christ is King Bible?” Now that’s got a nice ring to it. If it’s not already taken, do I get a prize?
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This info about King James is bullshit anyway. It has been circulating for quite some time and has been discredited by reliable sources. I am a Linguist with much training in Theology. I prefer the King James Translation of the Bible. It isn't as good as the original Hebrew-Greek manuscripts, but for today, it still does a great job of relating what the original manuscripts are saying. I enjoy it over all other translations I have studied.
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This info about King James is bullshit anyway. It has been circulating for quite some time and has been discredited by reliable sources. I am a Linguist with much training in Theology. I prefer the King James Translation of the Bible. It isn't as good as the original Hebrew-Greek manuscripts, but for today, it still does a great job of relating what the original manuscripts are saying. I enjoy it over all other translations I have studied.
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Excellent! hf hf hf
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Catholic lies centuries old!
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This is so typical....

AC, stop whining and blaming others and take responsibility for your own history.

Martin Luther's doctrine gave James I, the blessing of the Protestant Reformers to elevate the divine right of kings and shove it to the masses.

Luther considered all government divinely ordained and therefore entitled to unqualified allegiance except in matters of faith.

Luther believed in order and discipline more than he believed in justice and had no interest in destabilizing secular authority.

Luther appointed the individual Protestant rulers as heads of their regional churches. He made the Protestant Church a pillar of the state.

If you have grievances, he taught, petition the government. If you are not heard or receive no redress, go home and go quietly about your business. Under no circumstances do you have a right to rebel.

In the spring of 1525, Martin Luther denounced the German Peasants' Revolt in a vicious pamphlet "Against the Looting and Murderous Mobs of Peasants."

Luther said:

It is right and lawful to slay at the first opportunity a rebellious person, who is known as such, for he is already under God's and the emperor's ban.

Every man is at once judge and executioner of a public rebel; just as, when a fire starts, he who can extinguish it first is the best fellow.

Rebellion is not simply vile murder, but is like a great fire that kindles and devastates a country; it fills the land with murder and bloodshed, makes widows and orphans, and destroys everything, like the greatest calamity.

Therefore, whosoever can, should smite, strangle, and stab, secretly or publicly, and should remember that there is nothing more poisonous, pernicious, and devilish than a rebellious man. Just as one must slay a mad dog, so, if you do not fight the rebels, they will fight you, and the whole country with you.


History reports that almost 125,000 German peasants were slaughtered by the nobles. It was a massacre. These peasants only wanted a better life based on biblical principles. Luther supported the nobles against the peasants.

All the Protestant monarchs and nobles gained power from the Reformation. James wasn't the only one.


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Forgot to mention that the 125,000 German peasants slaughtered by the Protestant nobles in Germany were all Protestants.

What Luther and the Protestant reformers did was far more oppressive than what Protestants have wrongly accused Constantine of doing.

In 1555, at the Peace of Augsburg, all the princes agreed that the religion of each German state was to be decided by its ruler.

Lutheranism was the state church for the Protestant nobles.

In England, the state religion was Protestantism, while Sweden's state church was the Church of Sweden, for example.

No other proetstant church and no other religion, other than the one determined by the ruler was permitted to exist. Non-believers (protestant, catholic and others) were persecuted and killed and their property was confiscated by the state.

This is not what Constantine did in his Edict of Milan in 313AD.

Unlike the Protestant rulers, Constantine ordered religious freedom and tolerance for all religions.

When I, Constantine Augustus, as well as I Licinius Augustus fortunately met near Mediolanurn (Milan), and were considering everything that pertained to the public welfare and security, we thought -, among other things which we saw would be for the good of many, those regulations pertaining to the reverence of the Divinity ought certainly to be made first, so that we might grant to the Christians and others full authority to observe that religion which each preferred...

We thought it fit to commend these things most fully to your care that you may know that we have given to those Christians free and unrestricted opportunity of religious worship.

When you see that this has been granted to them by us, your Worship will know that we have also conceded to other religions the right of open and free observance of their worship for the sake of the peace of our times, that each one may have the free opportunity to worship as he pleases ; this regulation is made we that we may not seem to detract from any dignity or any religion.

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Whether all those things be true or not - none of us knows.

BUT

King James had the Bible translated by Greek and Hebrew scholars. He did not do it himself.

So I fail to see how anything he did in his personal life, tarnishes the Bible translation itself. It does not.



He edited it, did you not read the post? No you did not!!! I can tell by what you write. Your EGO rules your heart!

He may have had alot of scholars do the intial work but he had final say and wrote peices for it. I have read four other accounts all saying the same thing.

You do not have to care, especially if you are a member of that cult CLDS! They love pedophiles running the show!

We all can read and see there is truth to this post, like 90%! I read several books a week, so I run across loads of cross references. this one is the most consice!

do you read at all? You did not read this postand then why comment in ingnorance? EGO, defence.

Defending that book on your shelf no doubt! So be it!



You are entitled to your opinion - as am I.

I will pray for you - that you be able to see the difference in God and His Word and the actions of men.

I can see your character by the personal attack you launched at me for no reason other than that I disagreed with you.
 Quoting: CountryGirl



And I repsect that you think that due to limited education onthe subject. Also I do not believe the bible is the "Word of God".. It is a channeled book through men of a period of time over 200+ years ago. It is a history book of some things thought important.

I deflect your prayers, I do not want them. You judge me as a pathetic loser by doing so. So "christian" of you. So I send them all back for I fee the real reason you snet them.

I am a shaman and your prayers are so evil and judgemental and trying to impose your will upon me! Stay away from me "country girl" and go read some books.
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I have a 1850's version of the bible, hebrew translation, a family heirloom, and it reads so differently that the KJV. I do not like the KJV from the first time I picked it up. something felt so wrong and now readin so much older versions I can see the distortions in the writings of the KJV. There are whole sentences added in many verses!!

And I know even my older bible is not "clear" of man made intrusions. Still it is not the word of God. God speaks clearly to me and has not written any books and has inspired several thousands of books.

There is a version of every story of everything from every angle and probably most came from some type of true. So take your pick.

Just don't pray for me, for I am perfect in the eyes of my Creator and this post was for you to see, but not for you to start tearing each other limb from limb. This is part of the distrotion in the interpratations mankind makes in religion. They for get the simplicity of life, which Jesus tryed to tell us "Love One Another!"
Instead there is blood lust in everying who worships death, sacrifice and making Jesus God! This is a violation of the frist commandment, by your own religions!

Yes King James would fit in perfectly to religions today! Frinication, sodomism, pedophilia, and all the perversions hidden behind the skirts of religion.
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So I fail to see how anything he did in his personal life, tarnishes the Bible translation itself. It does not.
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It's called 'Roots and Fruits.'

In his personal life, James I believed that he was a god by virtue of his kingship.

He banned the Puritan's Geneva Bible because that bible did not agree what in effect was his idolatrous vision of himself and ordered a new bible that conformed to his idolatry.

These words are from the mouth and pen of James I. They were written in 1609, during the editing and translation of his KJV.

James I, (On the Divine Right of Kings) Chapter 20

The state of monarchy is the supremest thing upon earth; for kings are not only God's lieutenants upon earth, and sit upon God's throne, but even by God himself are called gods.

Kings are justly called gods, for that they exercise a manner or resemblance of divine power upon earth:


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James I, (On the Divine Right of Kings) Chapter 20

The state of monarchy is the supremest thing upon earth; for kings are not only God's lieutenants upon earth, and sit upon God's throne, but even by God himself are called gods.

Kings are justly called gods, for that they exercise a manner or resemblance of divine power upon earth:


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Can someone please give us the scripture that says God called kings gods?
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Whether all those things be true or not - none of us knows.

BUT

King James had the Bible translated by Greek and Hebrew scholars. He did not do it himself.

So I fail to see how anything he did in his personal life, tarnishes the Bible translation itself. It does not.
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No what tarnishes the bible translation is when it says things like "adam and eve are the first people, they have cain and able, cain kills able and has to leave, goes to the next town and marries someone"
HUH? How could there be another town with people his age if Adam and Eve are the first and only people who have only produced two sons so far??
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I hope not to offend anyone, for everything I'm about to say is strictly my opinion, nothing more. So take it as you wish.

I don't think it's fair to ridicule one's religion, yet I do not believe in religion. Please read my words carefully, I said I don't believe in religion, I did not say God/Allah/Jehova or what ever you call him/her/the entity. It's so selfish to think there's only one "true" religion & only a select few are "chosen" for whatever agenda is being presented.

The words in the Bible/Koran/Torah, are just that, words. Words spoken then written by HUMANS. We have trouble believing what people say today even if it's in our face. So why believe in words that are centuries old, especially words that have been proven to be changed over & over again. Plus lets not forget all the gospels that have been removed from the Bible.

It's good to have faith & guidance but to what extent? My mother(R.I.P.) was a Baptist Christian(Black American), my father is Muslim(not the new age black Muslim, he's from India). So who's going to Heaven & who's going to Hell? That question has stuck with me my whole life. So I choose to believe in the deeper meaning of religion's intentions, by "trying" to understand what I can w/o being biased. I have found that all the major religions believe in a single God(yes even the Hindu's w/ their multiple deities believe in one all powerful God), but they all have their own interpretation.

Unfortunately it's these different interpretations which divide us. We all live on Earth, we are all humans, yet we have & continue to fight amongst ourselves(this thread is proof). Sadly the number one cause of war has always been differences in faith, which I don't think was any religion's true intention.

These are just my opinions, my thoughts, so please be fair if commenting. Again I apologize in advance if I've offended anyone.
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