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pamela (OP) User ID: 412873 United States 04/24/2008 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | continued...The very people who use the King James Bible today would be the first ones to throw such a deviant out of the congregations. The depravity of King James I didn't end with sodomy. James enjoyed killing animals. He called it "hunting." Once he killed an animal, he would literally roll about in its blood. Some believe that he practiced bestiality while the animal lay dying. James was a sadist as well as a sodomite: he enjoyed torturing people. While King of Scotland in 1591, he personally supervised the torture of poor wretches caught up in the witchcraft trials of Scotland. James would even suggest new tortures to the examiners. One "witch," Barbara Napier, was acquitted. That event so angered James that he wrote personally to the court on May 10, 1551, ordering a sentence of death, and had the jury called into custody. To make sure they understood their particular offense, the King himself presided at a new hearing - and was gracious enough to release them without punishment when they reversed their verdict. History has it that James was also a great coward. On January 7, 1591, the king was in Edinburgh and emerged from the toll booth. A retinue followed that included the Duke of Lennox and Lord Hume. They fell into an argument with the laird of Logie and pulled their swords. James looked behind, saw the steel flashing, and fled into the nearest refuge which turned out to be a skinner's booth. There to his shame, he "fouled his breeches in fear." In short, King James I was the kind of despicable creature honorable men loathed, Christians would not associate with, and the Bible itself orders to be put to death (Leviticus 20:13). Knowing what King James was we can easily discern his motives. James ascended the English throne in 1603. He wasted no time in ordering a new edition of the Bible in order to deny the common people the marginal notes they so valued in the Geneva Bible. That James I wasn't going to have any marginal notes to annoy him and lead English citizens away from what he wanted them to think is a matter of public record. In an account corrected with his own hand dated February 10, 1604, he ordained: That a translation be made of the whole Bible, as consonant as can be to the original Hebrew and Greek, and this to be set out and printed without any marginal notes, and only to be used in all churches of England in time of divine service. James then set up rules that made it impossible for anyone involved in the project to make an honest translation, some of which follow: 1. The ordinary Bible read in the church, commonly called the Bishop's Bible to be followed and as little altered as the truth of the original will permit. 2. Or, since the common people preferred the Geneva Bible to the existing government publication, let's see if we can slip a superseding government publication onto their bookshelves, altered as little as possible. 3. The old Ecclesiastical words to be kept, viz. the word "church" not to be translated "congregation," etc. 4. That is, if a word should be translated a certain way, let's deliberately mistranslate it to make the people think God still belongs to the Anglican Church - exclusively. 5. No marginal notes at all to be affixed, but only for the explanation of the Hebrew or Greek words, which cannot without some circumlocution, so briefly and fitly be expressed in the text. *** You can find more info at Otto Scott's "James I: The Fool As King" (Ross House: 1976), pp. 108, 111, 120, 194, 200, 224, 311, 353, 382; King James-VI of Scotland/I of England by Antonia Fraser (Alfred A. Knopf, New York 1975)pp. 36, 37, 38; King James VI and I by David Harris Willson, pp.36, 99; James I by his Contemporaries by Robert Ashton, p114; and A History of England by Samuel Rawson Gardiner, Vol. 4, p.112. Check also A LITERARY HISTORY OF THE BIBLE by Geddes MacGregor who has devoted a whole chapter entitled "QUEEN" JAMES. The Mammoth Book of Private Lives by Jon E. Lewis, pp. 62,65,66 James White also makes mention of it in his book, THE KING JAMES ONLY CONTROVERSY. See also King James and the History of Homosexuality by Michael B. Young and King James and Letters of Homoerotic Desire by David Moore Bergeron. For those people who feel that the above is a result of the attack on King James by the 17th century tobacco industry are ignorant of the fact that his behavior and personal life were quite well known to his contemporaries. "He disdained women and fawned unconscionably on his favorite men." ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA-pp. 674,675 "And shall I then like bird or beast forget For any storms that threatening heaven can send The object sweet, where on my heart is set Whom for to serve my senses all I bend?..." A poem written by King James to his homosexual love interest (pictured above, Esme Stuart). King James-VI of Scotland/I of England, by Antonia Fraser, New York 1975 [link to www.nomorehoaxes.com] |
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CountryGirl User ID: 170876 India 04/24/2008 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP Whether all those things be true or not - none of us knows. BUT King James had the Bible translated by Greek and Hebrew scholars. He did not do it himself. So I fail to see how anything he did in his personal life, tarnishes the Bible translation itself. It does not. Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Here in America - in GOD we still trust... Be silent! Be patient! Be quiet! Be Still! - And know that He is God. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 412873 United States 04/24/2008 09:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP Quoting: CountryGirlWhether all those things be true or not - none of us knows. BUT King James had the Bible translated by Greek and Hebrew scholars. He did not do it himself. So I fail to see how anything he did in his personal life, tarnishes the Bible translation itself. It does not. He edited it, did you not read the post? No you did not!!! I can tell by what you write. Your EGO rules your heart! He may have had alot of scholars do the intial work but he had final say and wrote peices for it. I have read four other accounts all saying the same thing. You do not have to care, especially if you are a member of that cult CLDS! They love pedophiles running the show! We all can read and see there is truth to this post, like 90%! I read several books a week, so I run across loads of cross references. this one is the most consice! do you read at all? You did not read this postand then why comment in ingnorance? EGO, defence. Defending that book on your shelf no doubt! So be it! |
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CountryGirl User ID: 170876 India 04/24/2008 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP Quoting: Anonymous Coward 412873Whether all those things be true or not - none of us knows. BUT King James had the Bible translated by Greek and Hebrew scholars. He did not do it himself. So I fail to see how anything he did in his personal life, tarnishes the Bible translation itself. It does not. He edited it, did you not read the post? No you did not!!! I can tell by what you write. Your EGO rules your heart! He may have had alot of scholars do the intial work but he had final say and wrote peices for it. I have read four other accounts all saying the same thing. You do not have to care, especially if you are a member of that cult CLDS! They love pedophiles running the show! We all can read and see there is truth to this post, like 90%! I read several books a week, so I run across loads of cross references. this one is the most consice! do you read at all? You did not read this postand then why comment in ingnorance? EGO, defence. Defending that book on your shelf no doubt! So be it! You are entitled to your opinion - as am I. I will pray for you - that you be able to see the difference in God and His Word and the actions of men. I can see your character by the personal attack you launched at me for no reason other than that I disagreed with you. Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Here in America - in GOD we still trust... Be silent! Be patient! Be quiet! Be Still! - And know that He is God. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 364984 Sweden 04/24/2008 09:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's information on King James 1 of England [link to www.jesus-is-lord.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 364984 Sweden 04/24/2008 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1 Timothy 5:13 And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not. 1 Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully. 1 Timothy 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 364984 Sweden 04/24/2008 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1 Timothy 5:13 And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3649841 Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully. 1 Timothy 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan. sounds like Pamela. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 364984 Sweden 04/24/2008 09:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WAS KING JAMES A HOMOSEXUAL? [link to www.wayoflife.org] |
The Professor User ID: 385883 United States 04/24/2008 10:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP Quoting: CountryGirlWhether all those things be true or not - none of us knows. BUT King James had the Bible translated by Greek and Hebrew scholars. He did not do it himself. So I fail to see how anything he did in his personal life, tarnishes the Bible translation itself. It does not. Contrary to what you say, there is much that we know today about King James. And some of what we know is not all that good. What I find strange is that anyone would take the complete, inspired and inerrant Word of God and dedicate it to a temporal monarch, even a just and noble one. I almost gag every time I hear the words: “The King James Version.” Can’t the Christian community come up with a better name?? What would Jesus name it?? Do you think Jesus would like His Book dedicated to a secular head of state? I mean after King Herod and Pontius Pilate, I really don’t think He cares a lot for governors and kings and would prefer complete disassociation. How about “The Christ is King Bible?” Now that’s got a nice ring to it. If it’s not already taken, do I get a prize? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 422779 United States 04/25/2008 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This info about King James is bullshit anyway. It has been circulating for quite some time and has been discredited by reliable sources. I am a Linguist with much training in Theology. I prefer the King James Translation of the Bible. It isn't as good as the original Hebrew-Greek manuscripts, but for today, it still does a great job of relating what the original manuscripts are saying. I enjoy it over all other translations I have studied. Quoting: WingedlionExcellent! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 422834 United States 04/25/2008 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Catholic lies centuries old! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 422518This is so typical.... AC, stop whining and blaming others and take responsibility for your own history. Martin Luther's doctrine gave James I, the blessing of the Protestant Reformers to elevate the divine right of kings and shove it to the masses. Luther considered all government divinely ordained and therefore entitled to unqualified allegiance except in matters of faith. Luther believed in order and discipline more than he believed in justice and had no interest in destabilizing secular authority. Luther appointed the individual Protestant rulers as heads of their regional churches. He made the Protestant Church a pillar of the state. If you have grievances, he taught, petition the government. If you are not heard or receive no redress, go home and go quietly about your business. Under no circumstances do you have a right to rebel. In the spring of 1525, Martin Luther denounced the German Peasants' Revolt in a vicious pamphlet "Against the Looting and Murderous Mobs of Peasants." Luther said: It is right and lawful to slay at the first opportunity a rebellious person, who is known as such, for he is already under God's and the emperor's ban. Every man is at once judge and executioner of a public rebel; just as, when a fire starts, he who can extinguish it first is the best fellow. Rebellion is not simply vile murder, but is like a great fire that kindles and devastates a country; it fills the land with murder and bloodshed, makes widows and orphans, and destroys everything, like the greatest calamity. Therefore, whosoever can, should smite, strangle, and stab, secretly or publicly, and should remember that there is nothing more poisonous, pernicious, and devilish than a rebellious man. Just as one must slay a mad dog, so, if you do not fight the rebels, they will fight you, and the whole country with you. History reports that almost 125,000 German peasants were slaughtered by the nobles. It was a massacre. These peasants only wanted a better life based on biblical principles. Luther supported the nobles against the peasants. All the Protestant monarchs and nobles gained power from the Reformation. James wasn't the only one. [link to www.historyguide.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 422834 United States 04/25/2008 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Forgot to mention that the 125,000 German peasants slaughtered by the Protestant nobles in Germany were all Protestants. What Luther and the Protestant reformers did was far more oppressive than what Protestants have wrongly accused Constantine of doing. In 1555, at the Peace of Augsburg, all the princes agreed that the religion of each German state was to be decided by its ruler. Lutheranism was the state church for the Protestant nobles. In England, the state religion was Protestantism, while Sweden's state church was the Church of Sweden, for example. No other proetstant church and no other religion, other than the one determined by the ruler was permitted to exist. Non-believers (protestant, catholic and others) were persecuted and killed and their property was confiscated by the state. This is not what Constantine did in his Edict of Milan in 313AD. Unlike the Protestant rulers, Constantine ordered religious freedom and tolerance for all religions. When I, Constantine Augustus, as well as I Licinius Augustus fortunately met near Mediolanurn (Milan), and were considering everything that pertained to the public welfare and security, we thought -, among other things which we saw would be for the good of many, those regulations pertaining to the reverence of the Divinity ought certainly to be made first, so that we might grant to the Christians and others full authority to observe that religion which each preferred... We thought it fit to commend these things most fully to your care that you may know that we have given to those Christians free and unrestricted opportunity of religious worship. When you see that this has been granted to them by us, your Worship will know that we have also conceded to other religions the right of open and free observance of their worship for the sake of the peace of our times, that each one may have the free opportunity to worship as he pleases ; this regulation is made we that we may not seem to detract from any dignity or any religion. [link to www.fordham.edu] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 412873 United States 04/25/2008 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP Quoting: CountryGirlWhether all those things be true or not - none of us knows. BUT King James had the Bible translated by Greek and Hebrew scholars. He did not do it himself. So I fail to see how anything he did in his personal life, tarnishes the Bible translation itself. It does not. He edited it, did you not read the post? No you did not!!! I can tell by what you write. Your EGO rules your heart! He may have had alot of scholars do the intial work but he had final say and wrote peices for it. I have read four other accounts all saying the same thing. You do not have to care, especially if you are a member of that cult CLDS! They love pedophiles running the show! We all can read and see there is truth to this post, like 90%! I read several books a week, so I run across loads of cross references. this one is the most consice! do you read at all? You did not read this postand then why comment in ingnorance? EGO, defence. Defending that book on your shelf no doubt! So be it! You are entitled to your opinion - as am I. I will pray for you - that you be able to see the difference in God and His Word and the actions of men. I can see your character by the personal attack you launched at me for no reason other than that I disagreed with you. And I repsect that you think that due to limited education onthe subject. Also I do not believe the bible is the "Word of God".. It is a channeled book through men of a period of time over 200+ years ago. It is a history book of some things thought important. I deflect your prayers, I do not want them. You judge me as a pathetic loser by doing so. So "christian" of you. So I send them all back for I fee the real reason you snet them. I am a shaman and your prayers are so evil and judgemental and trying to impose your will upon me! Stay away from me "country girl" and go read some books. |
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pamela (OP) User ID: 412873 United States 04/25/2008 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a 1850's version of the bible, hebrew translation, a family heirloom, and it reads so differently that the KJV. I do not like the KJV from the first time I picked it up. something felt so wrong and now readin so much older versions I can see the distortions in the writings of the KJV. There are whole sentences added in many verses!! And I know even my older bible is not "clear" of man made intrusions. Still it is not the word of God. God speaks clearly to me and has not written any books and has inspired several thousands of books. There is a version of every story of everything from every angle and probably most came from some type of true. So take your pick. Just don't pray for me, for I am perfect in the eyes of my Creator and this post was for you to see, but not for you to start tearing each other limb from limb. This is part of the distrotion in the interpratations mankind makes in religion. They for get the simplicity of life, which Jesus tryed to tell us "Love One Another!" Instead there is blood lust in everying who worships death, sacrifice and making Jesus God! This is a violation of the frist commandment, by your own religions! Yes King James would fit in perfectly to religions today! Frinication, sodomism, pedophilia, and all the perversions hidden behind the skirts of religion. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 422867 United States 04/25/2008 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So I fail to see how anything he did in his personal life, tarnishes the Bible translation itself. It does not. Quoting: CountryGirlIt's called 'Roots and Fruits.' In his personal life, James I believed that he was a god by virtue of his kingship. He banned the Puritan's Geneva Bible because that bible did not agree what in effect was his idolatrous vision of himself and ordered a new bible that conformed to his idolatry. These words are from the mouth and pen of James I. They were written in 1609, during the editing and translation of his KJV. James I, (On the Divine Right of Kings) Chapter 20 The state of monarchy is the supremest thing upon earth; for kings are not only God's lieutenants upon earth, and sit upon God's throne, but even by God himself are called gods. Kings are justly called gods, for that they exercise a manner or resemblance of divine power upon earth: [link to www.wwnorton.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 422867 United States 04/25/2008 12:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | James I, (On the Divine Right of Kings) Chapter 20 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 422867The state of monarchy is the supremest thing upon earth; for kings are not only God's lieutenants upon earth, and sit upon God's throne, but even by God himself are called gods. Kings are justly called gods, for that they exercise a manner or resemblance of divine power upon earth: [link to www.wwnorton.com] Can someone please give us the scripture that says God called kings gods? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 284011 United States 04/25/2008 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP Quoting: CountryGirlWhether all those things be true or not - none of us knows. BUT King James had the Bible translated by Greek and Hebrew scholars. He did not do it himself. So I fail to see how anything he did in his personal life, tarnishes the Bible translation itself. It does not. No what tarnishes the bible translation is when it says things like "adam and eve are the first people, they have cain and able, cain kills able and has to leave, goes to the next town and marries someone" HUH? How could there be another town with people his age if Adam and Eve are the first and only people who have only produced two sons so far?? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 422290 United States 04/25/2008 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hope not to offend anyone, for everything I'm about to say is strictly my opinion, nothing more. So take it as you wish. I don't think it's fair to ridicule one's religion, yet I do not believe in religion. Please read my words carefully, I said I don't believe in religion, I did not say God/Allah/Jehova or what ever you call him/her/the entity. It's so selfish to think there's only one "true" religion & only a select few are "chosen" for whatever agenda is being presented. The words in the Bible/Koran/Torah, are just that, words. Words spoken then written by HUMANS. We have trouble believing what people say today even if it's in our face. So why believe in words that are centuries old, especially words that have been proven to be changed over & over again. Plus lets not forget all the gospels that have been removed from the Bible. It's good to have faith & guidance but to what extent? My mother(R.I.P.) was a Baptist Christian(Black American), my father is Muslim(not the new age black Muslim, he's from India). So who's going to Heaven & who's going to Hell? That question has stuck with me my whole life. So I choose to believe in the deeper meaning of religion's intentions, by "trying" to understand what I can w/o being biased. I have found that all the major religions believe in a single God(yes even the Hindu's w/ their multiple deities believe in one all powerful God), but they all have their own interpretation. Unfortunately it's these different interpretations which divide us. We all live on Earth, we are all humans, yet we have & continue to fight amongst ourselves(this thread is proof). Sadly the number one cause of war has always been differences in faith, which I don't think was any religion's true intention. These are just my opinions, my thoughts, so please be fair if commenting. Again I apologize in advance if I've offended anyone. |
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