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Why do people follow AA???

 
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followers have the need to follow somthing......when all else has failed ..there is AA
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no, he was a human being, we make mistakes



It is not a simple mistake, IMO. It is a pattern that fits into cult induced frameworkings.

Nixon made a mistake. What happened to him?

Does TIME magazine footnote that he did LSD???? No. TIME is part of the industry to make you helplessly dependant on the media, Drs., lawyers, etc....

BUT DON'T GO TO CHURCH!!!!! that is bad.

you need professionals to provide you with such info.

AA is non-professional, but the REHABS are filled with $$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Sumati Talveer



and the alcohol/drug industry is non profit?
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

"The truth shall set you free."

U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto
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from Orange Papers.

I am far from an atheist. I am a right-wing fundamentalist, if anything.



1. The Twelve Steps do not work as a program of recovery from drug or alcohol problems.
o The A.A. failure rate ranges from 95% to 100%. Sometimes, the A.A. success rate is actually less than zero, which means that A.A. indoctrination is positively harmful to people, and prevents recovery. Some tests have shown that even receiving no treatment at all for alcoholism is much better than receiving A.A. treatment:
o One of the most enthusiastic boosters of Alcoholics Anonymous, Professor George Vaillant of Harvard University, who is also a member of the Board of Trustees of Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc. (AAWS), showed by his own 8 years of testing of A.A. that A.A. was worse than useless -- that it didn't help the alcoholics any more than no treatment at all, and it had the highest death rate of any treatment program tested -- a death rate that Professor Vaillant himself described as "appalling". While trying to prove that A.A. treatment works, Professor Vaillant actually proved that A.A. kills. After 8 years of A.A. treatment, the score with Dr. Vaillant's first 100 alcoholic patients was: 5 sober, 29 dead, and 66 still drinking.
(Nevertheless, Vaillant is still a Trustee of Alcoholics Anonymous, and he still wants to send all alcoholics to A.A. anyway, to "get an attitude change by confessing their sins to a high-status healer." That is cult religion, not a treatment program for alcoholism.)
o The A.A. dropout rate is terrible. Most people who come to A.A. looking for help in quitting drinking are appalled by the narrow-minded atmosphere of fundamentalist religion and faith-healing. The A.A. meeting room has a revolving door. The therapists, judges, and parole officers (many of whom are themselves hidden members of A.A. or N.A.) continually send new people to A.A., but those newcomers vote with their feet once they see what A.A. really is. Even A.A.'s own triennial surveys, conducted by the A.A. headquarters (the GSO), say that:
X 81% of the newcomers are gone within 30 days,
X 90% are gone in 3 months, and
X 95% are gone at the end of a year.
That automatically gives A.A. a failure rate of at least 95%. But the GSO does not count all of those people who only attend a few meetings before quitting -- they don't qualify as "members". (That amounts to "cherry-picking".) If we included them, then the numbers would be much worse.
And also note that the claimed five percent of A.A. newcomers who are still left after one year is exactly the same number as the usual rate of spontaneous remission among alcoholics -- five percent per year. That is, in any randomly-selected population of alcoholics, approximately five percent per year will finally get sick and tired of being sick and tired, and they will just quit drinking. And the Harvard Medical School says that 80% of those successful quitters do it by themselves, alone, without any "treatment program" or any "support group".
If we subtract the normal spontaneous remission rate for alcoholism of five percent per year from A.A.'s claimed success rate of five percent, we get zero for A.A.'s real effective cure rate.
A.A. does not actually make anybody quit drinking; it just takes the credit for the people who were going to quit anyway. A.A. is just taking the credit for peoples' efforts to save their own lives.
o The Twelve Steps are actually a hopelessly bad program for recovery:
X Cult religion is not a good cure for alcoholism, and A.A. most assuredly is a cult religion.
X One of the biggest problems with the Twelve-Step program is the learned helplessness caused by the First Step, where people are taught to confess that they are "powerless over alcohol." This leads many people to believe that once they have a drink, that a full-blown relapse and total loss of self-control is inevitable and unavoidable. So some people go on suicidally-intense binges, thinking that it is pointless to try to resist temptation.2 --
X Step Two is just as bad: it teaches people that they are insane, and that only a Supernatural Being can restore them to sanity -- which means that they are helpless, and cannot heal themselves.
X Then Step Three teaches a lifestyle of infantile narcissism and passive dependency, where A.A. members turn control of their wills and their lives over to "the care of God as we understood Him", and then they expect God to take care of them and run their lives for them, and solve all their problems, and wait on them hand and foot, and do all of the hard work for them from then on...
"Let Go And Let God"
is their official motto, their lifestyle, and their approach to problem-solving.
X Then Steps Four through Ten induce guilt in the members by forcing members to make lists of all of their sins and flaws, and "defects of character" and "moral shortcomings", and confess every intimate dirty little secret to another A.A. member who isn't even ordained clergy, or even sworn to secrecy.
X In Step Eleven you are supposed to "channel" God and receive psychic work orders and power.
X Then Step Twelve tells you to go recruiting, to draft more alcoholics into this madness.
o There is also experimental evidence that the A.A. teachings about powerlessness lead to binge drinking. In a controlled study of A.A.'s effectiveness, court-mandated offenders who had been sent to A.A. for several months were engaging in five times as much binge drinking as the no-treatment control group which got no A.A. "help".
o A.A. boosters and propagandists constantly repeat the Big Lie that A.A. works great, and A.A. with its Twelve Steps is the way that everybody recovers:
 Quoting: Sumati Talveer


above = atheist propaganda

you say you are a right-wing fundamentalist what ever that means,you come across atheistic

anyway, modern science is the failure you only have to see the explosion of mental health problems in 2008 to realze that.
(true though isnt it ?)


Doctors have damaged a lot of people pumping them full of dangerous narcotics,doctors are even doing this to children in schools now behind parents backs,this is the REAL problem

btw

I wish you peace and i promise you

you wont find the any answers from the Doctors

remember

God loves YOU Sumati Talveer
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i have a spiritual connection today that i never knew existed,it is working for me and lots of others, so why bash it??
 Quoting: malu


Good for you! You can obtain this through Buddhist practices and Catholisism, perhaps.

AA tells you you are weak and dependant upon meetings for as long as you live, not one Day at a Time propoganda. The Churches don't mind the rent $, either.

AA Service Group doesn't care if you go to meetings and stay sober. They don't really depend on your pathetic $2-3 per week. LOL!! If you were so grateful, why don't you put a good $50 in the basket, every now and then. But you don't!

It wants your $. And it will brainwash you and your associates to program you to go to back and forth to rehab at $1,000 per day. It uses lies, BS, and propoganda. For instance, almost all of the original contributors to the Big Book relasped/died drunk.

That is where the crux of the issue lies.
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AA is a bunch of hocus pocus - a placebo if you will.

I spent a large amount of my life drinking and have gone to several meetings, but they do not offer any foolproof method that isn't available outside of AA to become sober. That's the truth.

The spiritual aspect of AA boils down to believing that a higher power will take control of your addiction and somehow keep you from taking another drink, which doesn't mean anything, is not scientifically proven to be successful either because it is based on belief, yet alcohol has a physical addictive component as well as psychological that God or whatever your higher power is, does not take away.

That is the fallacy of AA. They expound that if you "believe" God will take away your addiction, which is false.

If it were that easy, many a drunk with a hangover would ask God to make them sober and they would never have another physical craving again, but any alcoholic knows this is not true. You still have them.

So God is not at work here like the rest of the worlds problems taking them away just for the belief or the asking. What we are left with is a superficial belief system, called spirituality within AA, that does not actually accomplish anything other than making people believe AA works by reinforcing this belief using only the people who actually became sober through pot-luck.

This would be like saying, "the reason you are dying from that snake bite, in spite of the bible saying poison would not harm you, is because you lack faith."

Pullleeeeeeeeeeeze.

Any idiot can claim the way to sobriety is by not drinking inbetween meetings, but that does nothing to address the physical causes that make an alcoholic pick up the glass in the first place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 414461


Nice argument, and I agree. While going to meetings can be helpful, just like any group endeavor, I don't buy into AA's confess/repent/ guilt trip bullshit.


Besides I ain't a sheep and never will be. Phrases like Let go (yeah I'll let go, in a hail of fucking lead), self will run riot ( self will BUILT this great country) , live and let live, all that conformist bullshit- fuck that.

The bottom line facts are AA's success rate is abysmal. 1 in 17 make it 5 years. Not good.


I'll go it alone. Made in 6 years once doing that......
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There is an interestic excerpt about the use of LSD in Bill's time on wikipedia (under
Psychiatric use)

LSD was introduced into the United States in 1948. Sandoz Laboratories marketed LSD as a psychiatric cure-all and hailed it as a remedy for everything from schizophrenia to criminal behavior, sexual perversions, and alcoholism.[6] In psychiatry, the use of LSD by students was an accepted practice; it was viewed as a teaching tool in an attempt to enable the psychiatrist to subjectively understand schizophrenia. It also showed great promise as a facilitating agent in psychedelic psychotherapy. In one study in the late 1950s, Dr Humphry Osmond gave LSD to alcoholics in Alcoholics Anonymous who had failed to quit drinking. After one year, around 50% of the study group had not had a drink — a success rate that has never been duplicated by any other means.[7]


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Since he was Prescribed LSD and it worked well for him, it doesn't surprise me that he advocated the use of LSD
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AA are the No1 org for helping alcoholics 100% fact


I stopped going to meetings after a few weeks ,still clean today

just because someone stops going to AA doesnt mean that AA has failed
(also a 100% fact)

The stats posted on this thread attacking AA are flawed


btw


why are people attacking AA ?

its doctors that have caused tens millions of drug addicts/suicides with their narcotics
(shame on all who refuse to speak out)
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Since he was Prescribed LSD and it worked well for him, it doesn't surprise me that he advocated the use of LSD
 Quoting: Jenalice


kudos! Now we have an interesting discussion.

If the 12 Steps are so spiritual, healing and uplifting, what in the world was Bill Wilson doing by participating in the experiments to begin with??

Obviously the 12 Steps must be snake oil, because the 12 Steps DID NOT WORK for Wilson, the original author. WILSON MUST HAVE BEEN A DRY DRUNK TO EVEN HAVE BEEN CURIOUS TO BEGING WITH, MUCH LESS PARTICIPATE!!!!

And AA knows what being a dry drunk means. Your not working the Steps! But how is the original architect of the 12 Steps, not working the 12 Steps???

If this is not a falsehood, I don't know what is?
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just because someone stops going to AA doesnt mean that AA has failed
(also a 100% fact)


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not according to AA Bible the Big Book.

you quit drinking, stopped going to AA, but still give AA the credit??

What about when someone drinks?? Doesn't AA deserve THAT credit too? When a guy relapses, is ashamed to return to meetings, and kills a family of 4 in an automobile?
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Since he was Prescribed LSD and it worked well for him, it doesn't surprise me that he advocated the use of LSD


kudos! Now we have an interesting discussion.

If the 12 Steps are so spiritual, healing and uplifting, what in the world was Bill Wilson doing by participating in the experiments to begin with??

Obviously the 12 Steps must snake oil, because it didn't do much for the original author. HE MUST HAVE BEEN A DRY DRUNK TO PARTICIPATE!!!!

And AA knows what being a dry drunk means. Your not working the Steps! But how is the original architect of the 12 Steps, not working them???
 Quoting: Sumati Talveer


Are you flipping kidding me? Just because someone goes to meetings and attends AA and doesn't drink, that doesn't mean that it is EASY to quit drinking, or that you are CURED of the disease. AND just because you believe in AA and go to meetings that doesn't mean people you may not fall back on the steps. In fact it is one of the main reasons WHY people relapse. I don't understand why you have to slam AA. If you feel shitty because you were duped then fine...can you leave it alone for the rest of the people that enjoy and benefit from the program? Just because a friend of mine doesn't immunize her kids (it's dangerous, they are implanting chips, Doctor's say it causes Autism, etc.), she doesn't slam my doctor or me for advocating it. I am sure if anyone asked Bill he would have said LSD probably isn't for everyone, just like AA isn't for everyone. But it worked for him and he wanted to share that with people.
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not according to AA Bible the Big Book.

you quit drinking, stopped going to AA, but still give AA the credit??

What about when someone drinks?? Doesn't AA deserve THAT credit too? When a guy relapses, is ashamed to return to meetings, and kills a family of 4 in an automobile?
 Quoting: Sumati Talveer


if you want to blame someone for drinking blame the drink industry

and blame doctors for pumping people full of dangerous narcotics and causing a mental health explosion

btw

its sad that you attack AA

do you think if AA is banned it would help matters ?
(you cant be that stupid)
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Keep it simple stupid!!

Keep coming back-
It only works if you work it!!
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Been there, done that for 12+ years.

I was a walking/talking Big Book 12 Stepper. Seriously. I never personified alcoholism. I had a problem in my teens, joined the military, got student loan $, graduated college and grew up.

But AA tells you its a spiritual program. So, I thought I could benefit and go to meetings, my Dad went and sobered up; and I was grateful. But he left after 2 years and remained sober.

I had been entertaining idea(s) for a while and knew somewhere I would have to leave AA; only under very solid evidence against it. For the life of me I could not imagine what. Then I came across the Orange Papers (do a google search). It says AA is a cult. Wilson did LSD 20+ years into sobriety (I knew this already but somehow justified it because Wilson was a GREAT man!), the OxFord Group had ties to Nazi Socialism, Wilson was an incurable alley cat, the recovery rates at AA are worse than spontaneously quitting, etc.. etc..

Now I walk a new/old path. Back to my Church of origin, which is normally slammed in meeting rooms. My Church has always been there, but I couldn't entertain it because I had been so brainwashed in AA.

The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. What does that mean??? Me or someone else?? I've met this requirement for 15+ years. And I am willing to help people quit drinking by getting them back to Church where they belong, not in cult induced church basements lighting candles and quoting mind controlling slogans.

One cannot read the Orange Papers with an open mind, and not want to be a part of AA fellowship.
 Quoting: Sumati Talveer


k. you're retarded. a cult doesn't allow its members to leave. a cult does a lot of things aa doesn't. you can come and go and quite frankly, not many people give a rat's patooty if you're there or not. in fact, some of us are glad when some people don't come around any more, spreading hate or sanctimoniousness or big book bible thumpers.

regarding this:

"Now I walk a new/old path. Back to my Church of origin, which is normally slammed in meeting rooms. My Church has always been there, but I couldn't entertain it because I had been so brainwashed in AA."

My church gets slammed regularly in meetings. Guess what? You can slam back. GASP. OMG. Truly. You can GROW A SPINE AND DO A SMACKDOWN. You're just a pansy and afraid of the group. You're the one who's allowed yourself to be governed by the group. Speak up ya weiner! That's what its all about - being responsible for YOURSELF and not relying on someone else to do it for you.

And listen up buddy, YOU ARE CONDITIONED TO BE PART OF A GROUP from kindergarten on (school is a training ground to get you ready for the rest of your life -- get you used to going to work at 8am and leaving at 5pm so you make money for the overlords. I'd have respect for you if you left aa AND church, but leaving aa to go to church? THOUSANDS have done it. Big deal. You're still OWNED.

If your life is better drinking...by all means, go ahead with that.

pfft.

Its just a suggestion...
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And listen up buddy, YOU ARE CONDITIONED TO BE PART OF A GROUP from kindergarten on (school is a training ground to get you ready for the rest of your life -- get you used to going to work at 8am and leaving at 5pm so you make money for the overlords. I'd have respect for you if you left aa AND church, but leaving aa to go to church? THOUSANDS have done it. Big deal. You're still OWNED.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2108



Amen! 5a
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k. you're retarded. a cult doesn't allow its members to leave. a cult does a lot of things aa doesn't. you can come and go and quite frankly, not many people give a rat's patooty if you're there or not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2108


I beg to differ, of course.

My point on this whole thread, pinhead, is that AA is not about your useless meetings.

It's about rehab $dollars. There is a conspiracy, knucklebrain. AA meetings are only the tip of the iceburg. And you are a subscriber. And last time I checked, people DO HAVE TO STAY IN REHABS! They are threatened legally, finacially, etc....

who is the moron???

and rehabs are just the beginning. Court mandates, lawyers, therapsists, pshychologists, they are all in the take together selling your snake oil!
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Truly. You can GROW A SPINE AND DO A SMACKDOWN. You're just a pansy and afraid of the group. You're the one who's allowed yourself to be governed by the group. Speak up ya weiner!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2108


you must be quite an amazing sponsor!!!

We live in a Democracy, you lunatic nut job. I vote with my feet. I don't have to susbribe my educated opinions to your brainwashed punk Nazi loser level.
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And listen up buddy, YOU ARE CONDITIONED TO BE PART OF A GROUP from kindergarten on (school is a training ground to get you ready for the rest of your life -- get you used to going to work at 8am and leaving at 5pm so you make money for the overlords. I'd have respect for you if you left aa AND church, but leaving aa to go to church? THOUSANDS have done it. Big deal. You're still OWNED.





Amen! 5a
 Quoting: Jenalice


I am owned. But not by a heretical organization that advocates worshipping doorknobs, and giving maritial, legal and spiritual advice with zero professioinal qualificatioins.

When was the last time you put in anything more than $1 dollar in the basket???? Your a loser.

I am not the first to leave AA and join the church. I am one of millions who have returned.

But I am one of the few that is lambasting AA as an organization that is part of a vast conspiracy.

Look at what that guy did on Oprah who wrote Tiny Million Little Pieces. He ran with it all the way to the bank!!!!!LOL
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AA saved me from ME. I have 5 yrs now and much better mental and physical help. Most people coming out of detox/rehab were in there for a reason. Drugs-Alcohol or both. After a Detox which you need before going to rehab or out-patient to ween you off your self prescribed meds. Most people today are multi-addicted--(smokes- alcohol-street drugs--scrip drugs). AA takes them all. % yrs ago when I cleaned up 9 out of ten were drinking and popping painkillers or downers gotten from doctors and friend and half of those were women. The failure rate is 95% but going on the other path the failure rate is 100% . Once the drugs/alcohol comes out (which are just symptoms) you have the REAL problems to deal with. I havn't been to a meeting in 3 years but I can tell you there are days I REALLY needed one. By the way OP you sound more cultish than AA.
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k. you're retarded. a cult doesn't allow its members to leave. a cult does a lot of things aa doesn't. you can come and go and quite frankly, not many people give a rat's patooty if you're there or not. in fact, some of us are glad when some people don't come around any more, spreading hate or sanctimoniousness or big book bible thumpers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2108


They sure do try to keep you coming back by using guilt and fear. "You owe the group" or how about this cult classic? "If you go back out there you're signing your own death warrant"
What can you say about a group that threatens death to someone who wishes to leave?

That's what its all about - being responsible for YOURSELF and not relying on someone else to do it for you.
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That's what it's all about? No AA is not about relying on yourself. AA is about relying on a higher power to do all the hard stuff for you.Remember,you can't rely on yourself "your best thinking got you here"

And listen up buddy, YOU ARE CONDITIONED TO BE PART OF A GROUP from kindergarten on (school is a training ground to get you ready for the rest of your life -- get you used to going to work at 8am and leaving at 5pm so you make money for the overlords. I'd have respect for you if you left aa AND church, but leaving aa to go to church? THOUSANDS have done it. Big deal. You're still OWNED.
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Conditioned to be part of a group or a goofy religious cult?

If your life is better drinking...by all means, go ahead with that.
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Spoken like a true cultie, if you're not in the cult you must be drinking or wanting to. Only those on the one true path to serenity could possibly be free from alcohol.
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I am not the first to leave AA and join the church. I am one of millions who have returned.

So your saying that organized religion is the only TRUE way.

Most people in AA have GOD as their higher power anyway. So why the fuss. The church knows this thats why we can be in their basements.

Do you have any Idea how many fucked up people their are that pass through those doors of AA. AA is not the cureall but some good guidance to live your life by without drugs or drinking,

Next you'll be telling me the world and man are only 2000 yrs old.
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Spoken like a true cultie, if you're not in the cult you must be drinking or wanting to. Only those on the one true path to serenity could possibly be free from alcohol.
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either you are very wise, or well-versed in Orange Papers.

This 12 Step Nazi keeps AA going strong in dysfunctionality. He'll want people in rehabs to keep the $6.2 billion dollar snake oil program going steadialy. Rather than I do a 4th step, how about I pray for the Nazi????

I haven't drank in 15 years. Never really had a prob with alcohol, anyway. I was a high-bottom drunk. Very-high. Drank once every other week, in utter fear of dependency. I didn't get into trouble often, but when I did, alchohol was somewhere part of the equation. So I thought that there could be a problem.


I did do some considerable binge-drinking at 20 years of age, in the Army in S Korea. But after a year my body couldn't handle it.
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I am not the first to leave AA and join the church. I am one of millions who have returned.

So your saying that organized religion is the only TRUE way.

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not really. I am just saying that church is a viable option for many who were like me, gave up church for the GOD alcohol, then returned to church.

Organized religion is probably the only TRUE way for me. If you choose to live as a pagan, that's your prerogative. John Adams said that a virtuous pagan has a greater chance of making it into heaven; than a wicked Christian.
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CHrist I need a drink. Maybe you should check out the OTHER AA

[link to www.dreamlandgrid.com]
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I was a low bottom drunk, I had a grand mal seizure, a 5 day hallucination and finally a full body paralysis. Finally I took control of my life like an adult and it's been 6 yrs. since I drank or had any desire to. No AA except the ones that rehab requires and no church, just a belief in myself and the power of the human body and spirit to heal itself.
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I was a low bottom drunk, I had a grand mal seizure, a 5 day hallucination and finally a full body paralysis. Finally I took control of my life like an adult and it's been 6 yrs. since I drank or had any desire to. No AA except the ones that rehab requires and no church, just a belief in myself and the power of the human body and spirit to heal itself.
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AA would tell you that you are a DRY DRUNK and in a stage of denial; and you need to get to a meeting....

of course, by people who are totally unqualified to give such professional advise.

BUT IT'S NOT A CULT~! bsflag
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It sounds like you need a drink.
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damn, that was quick!
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Re: Why do people follow AA???
I drink 2oz of Jack Daniels daily does that make me an alcoholic? The doctor thinks it's perfect, the one AA meeting I went to said yes you are WHY because I drink alone. HHHMMMM let's see I'm single yea I drink alone.

So the question is what is an alcoholic?
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I am sure if anyone asked Bill he would have said LSD probably isn't for everyone, just like AA isn't for everyone. But it worked for him and he wanted to share that with people.
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are you kidding me?? AA didn't work for Bill becuase he didn't practice the Steps. 12 and 12 tells you that.

Wilson was incapable of rigorous honesty. Wilson had to have someone assigned by his side so that he wouldn't shag down-n-out desperate newcoming females. Even had a hired secretary (included in his will) so that he could live his lifestyle. Yet we are told that dating newcomers in AA is the next worse thing than drinking. Then Wilson takes it to another level and doses on LSD.

I was duped because AA puts Bill Wilson on a pedestal as its heralded guru capable of invincible honesty. And I bought it hook line and sinker. Snake Oil sold as spirituality. And it's a $6.2 billion dollar industry.

Where is the beauty in falsehood?
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I drink 2oz of Jack Daniels daily does that make me an alcoholic? The doctor thinks it's perfect, the one AA meeting I went to said yes you are WHY because I drink alone. HHHMMMM let's see I'm single yea I drink alone.

So the question is what is an alcoholic?
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The US Armed Forces describes an alcoholic as one who "drinks for effect" more than 2X a month.
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Re: Why do people follow AA???
AA is a good first step.

However many do exchange their drug of choice for meetings.

That is ok.

It gives them a social network, it gives them a place to blow off steam, it gives them a purpose other than chasing the bag/bottle. It gives them a 'safe habit' one that will not totally ruin their lives.

AA/NA does speak of God.

God as YOU understand God - a Personal God - that means if you worship God of the Bible - then that is your God, if you Worship the Earth - then that is God as you understand it.

If you worship the tomato plant growing in my garden - then that is God as you understand God to be.

Your Church is not my church - is not the church of the guy down the street or the next person to read this post. Your church represents God as YOU understand God to be.

I went to meetings for the first 5 years of being clean and sober. I moved on, I realized I did not need meetings in order to stay clean and sober.

I do apply the 12 steps in my day to day life - beyond drinking and drug use I use it in all of my 'life situations' from problems in the marriage to problems at work.

So program may not work for you - Fine. But it does work for many others who find that they need that meeting in order to survive the next 24 hours - or they find peace and contentment (also known as serenity) in the 12 steps and the application of those 12 steps in their life.

Go back to that church that you feel comfortable with - that is where YOU need to be.

But don't insist that everyone needs to go to your church - God does not require everyone to follow your path.

If He did, then everyone would look and act and be exactly like you.

Diversity is Gods Gift to humanity. All roads ultimately lead to God. In God's time - not yours.
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