Been there, done that for 12+ years.
I was a walking/talking Big Book 12 Stepper. Seriously. I never personified alcoholism. I had a problem in my teens, joined the military, got student loan $, graduated college and grew up.
But AA tells you its a spiritual program. So, I thought I could benefit and go to meetings, my Dad went and sobered up; and I was grateful. But he left after 2 years and remained sober.
I had been entertaining idea(s) for a while and knew somewhere I would have to leave AA; only under very solid evidence against it. For the life of me I could not imagine what. Then I came across the Orange Papers (do a google search). It says AA is a cult. Wilson did LSD 20+ years into sobriety (I knew this already but somehow justified it because Wilson was a GREAT man!), the OxFord Group had ties to Nazi Socialism, Wilson was an incurable alley cat, the recovery rates at AA are worse than spontaneously quitting, etc.. etc..
Now I walk a new/old path. Back to my Church of origin, which is normally slammed in meeting rooms. My Church has always been there, but I couldn't entertain it because I had been so brainwashed in AA.
The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. What does that mean??? Me or someone else?? I've met this requirement for 15+ years. And I am willing to help people quit drinking by getting them back to Church where they belong, not in cult induced church basements lighting candles and quoting mind controlling slogans.
One cannot read the Orange Papers with an open mind, and not want to be a part of AA fellowship.
Quoting: Sumati Talveerk. you're retarded. a cult doesn't allow its members to leave. a cult does a lot of things aa doesn't. you can come and go and quite frankly, not many people give a rat's patooty if you're there or not. in fact, some of us are glad when some people don't come around any more, spreading hate or sanctimoniousness or big book bible thumpers.
regarding this:
"Now I walk a new/old path. Back to my Church of origin, which is normally slammed in meeting rooms. My Church has always been there, but I couldn't entertain it because I had been so brainwashed in AA."
My church gets slammed regularly in meetings. Guess what? You can slam back. GASP. OMG. Truly. You can GROW A SPINE AND DO A SMACKDOWN. You're just a pansy and afraid of the group. You're the one who's allowed yourself to be governed by the group. Speak up ya weiner! That's what its all about - being responsible for YOURSELF and not relying on someone else to do it for you.
And listen up buddy, YOU ARE CONDITIONED TO BE PART OF A GROUP from kindergarten on (school is a training ground to get you ready for the rest of your life -- get you used to going to work at 8am and leaving at 5pm so you make money for the overlords. I'd have respect for you if you left aa AND church, but leaving aa to go to church? THOUSANDS have done it. Big deal. You're still OWNED.
If your life is better drinking...by all means, go ahead with that.
pfft.
Its just a suggestion...
