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Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US
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Hold the Phone
User ID: 385881
4/30/2008 3:51 PM
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Quoting Indian Elder
"Does anyone know how good of an autopsy was done if any??Did they analyze the water in the lungs to see if it was city water vs. the river water where the body was found? Was a tox study done to see if drugs were given, by injection or like date rape? Were they checked for rape? What about time of death? Were they alive 2-3 days and found on the 4-5th in the water, if the water was cold, as it is in the midwest it would confuse the time of death just as people who die under an electric blanket appear to be dead longer.
I truely think there is a group involved. If this happens again to anyone you know insist the family get an outsider to do a complete autopsy...let the body speak its truth."
I have been wondering the same thing, IE. I read through the police file on the Jenkins case from the KSTP link. There were reports by various officers that they were in attendance at the autopsy, but no autopsy report. I think the county has jurisdiction over the autopsy and I don't know if a coroner's report on an open homicide case would be a public record. But I also wonder about the toxicology and water in the lungs analysis. And if there was little or no water in the lungs, that means they did not drown. So how were they killed? No signs of foul play? What am I missing here? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
4/30/2008 4:49 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
I saw an interview w/ Berkowitz yrs. ago where he stated that after he was caught, the satanic cult he was in took off down to Atlanta and was there until that black teacher took the fall for the Atlanta child killings, he said they went out west from there
I notice the timeline correaltes w/ the Brownsville/Matamoros killings
not sure where they might have went after that, but the 'dissapearences' of the young men in in the great lakes area has been going on fo a good 10 yrs, maybe since it encompassing a large enough area , they've honed it down to and don't have the need to implicate anyone, yet.
I also noticed that if you follow the trail of the cult that in each area only a certain type of victim was selected
also of note,reading this thread, I have never heard of Dahmer being satanic(not suprised though), I did however have the feeling back when he was in the army in Germany that military ops knew what he was capable of and almost like an experiment returned to the states to see how long he could go undetected
also, there is very strong evidence that he was the killer of Adam Walsh(strong m.o. w/ the beheading and was placed just 2 miles from the killing at the time), there was a tv editorial on it on fox I think, about 6-8 months ago
the Walsh dad ,known for hosting Americas most wanted , said it was absolute crap, and was not even willing to consider the info
his reaction seems to be similar to how some police dept.s are treating this case Quoting: Anonymous Coward 329307
John Walsh believes the guy who killed his son was caught. I can't recall the perp's name, but he hung out with Henry Lee Lucas. I would think that John Walsh would be the best judge of who did it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
4/30/2008 4:55 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
The Mossad thing occurred to me too the other day, or zionist elements within.
What if there is a hybrid organization out there that has no name, with elements of Blackwater/Mossad/the American plutocracy and whoever else you want to mix in...??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 400555
That hybrid organization is THE cult. It encompases the intel agencies, spooks, chruches, and establishment elite. It's all connected. |
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mercury2
User ID: 425838
4/30/2008 5:15 PM
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Anyone have any more information about possible similar Canadian cases? Someone mentioned a string of similar drownings/disappearances in Vancouver, BC, I seem to remember one that was on the news this winter with a guy leaving a bar and turning up in False Creek or something a few weeks later. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
4/30/2008 5:27 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
This is really huge. Canada and the US is a lot of territory. Lends something to the idea of this being a criminal gang. Of course, intel services and churches operate in both countries (as well as Satanists). |
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mercury2
User ID: 425838
4/30/2008 6:07 PM
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I just had a really scary idea. What if they're testing some kind of new military technology? They would have to make sure it worked on young men that are built like soldiers.
First I was thinking, what if it was some kind of holographic projection that chased and scared the young men into the water?
Now I'm thinking, what if it's like some kind of new "death ray" so to speak, and they carefully chose this cover of drunk young men in the water because as we have seen, no one suspects anything, they just figure they fell in because they were drunk. And the time that elapses between the victim going missing and when they are found in the water later, helps cover the track as well.
Oh god my imagination is running overtime, what if it's some way they get inside the victims heads with some kind of mind control, and control them to walk into the water?
It's really creepy that that one kid said to the cop "you have no idea what's going on" and continued to go deeper into the water.
And before anyone flames me, this is GLP after all. And you know how level headed I usually am. I'm just having fun with this, if you can call it fun when the situation is so macabre. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 425869
4/30/2008 6:26 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
I wonder if Ted Gunderson, the retired FBI agent, is working on this at all. It's right up his alley - satanic cults, black ops, etc. He's got a real eye opener web site that exposes many of these types of things and gives away a free dvd to spread the word:
1-free-dvd.com. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 425879
4/30/2008 6:52 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
I just had a really scary idea. What if they're testing some kind of new military technology? They would have to make sure it worked on young men that are built like soldiers.
First I was thinking, what if it was some kind of holographic projection that chased and scared the young men into the water?
Now I'm thinking, what if it's like some kind of new "death ray" so to speak, and they carefully chose this cover of drunk young men in the water because as we have seen, no one suspects anything, they just figure they fell in because they were drunk. And the time that elapses between the victim going missing and when they are found in the water later, helps cover the track as well.
Oh god my imagination is running overtime, what if it's some way they get inside the victims heads with some kind of mind control, and control them to walk into the water?
It's really creepy that that one kid said to the cop "you have no idea what's going on" and continued to go deeper into the water.
And before anyone flames me, this is GLP after all. And you know how level headed I usually am. I'm just having fun with this, if you can call it fun when the situation is so macabre. Quoting: mercury2
I think your idea is as good as any. You might be on to something.
I thought I had read most everything on this thread - where's the reference to a kid saying to cop "you have no idea what's going on" and continued into water? I missed it somehow. |
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mercury2
User ID: 425838
4/30/2008 7:20 PM
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following a story out of Vancouver BC canada, same thing young,early 20's males, go missing, WTF!? so this appears really widespread.
Are they drownings also? Do you have any links on any of them?
There was a similar drowning in Edmonton, Alberta last year. Quoting: Isaac Brock died for us
I was searching all over trying to find out more about a case this winter (I believe) where a guy left a bar and was later found drowned, right in the city of Vancouver. I did find a guy who was at a party on the UBC campus, 23 years old, in 1999, never seen again after leaving party.
Would like more links if possible on similar cases in Vancouver or elsewhere in Canada?
(Sorry I missed this information that Isaac Brock posted:
Here's the link.
[link to www.lastlinkontheleft.com]
August 13, 2006, Robert Barrington Leigh, 20 year old mathematical genius, working on his first book, avid outdoorsman, dating hot oriental grad student... disappears.
9 days later he is found drowned in the river. The city police rule out foul play and call it a suicided even though he had been in high spirits (cooked a big meal for his family, phoned girlfriend in Venice, Italy etc. just before his disappearance).
The family had posted a $5,000 reward for information about his whereabouts. They refused to give it to the sewer inspector who found the body. The city cancelled the inspector's contract saying "no more sewer inspections would be done that year out of respect to the Leigh family" (WTF?) |
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mercury2
User ID: 425838
4/30/2008 7:40 PM
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I thought I had read most everything on this thread - where's the reference to a kid saying to cop "you have no idea what's going on" and continued into water? I missed it somehow. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 425879
Here it took me a minute to find it, it's from that
"Footprints at the River's Edge" blog, she just updated that blog today with a whole list of names from those NY detectives' work.
Here's the quoted material from her blog:
09/12/04: Jesse Miller, 21, Eau Claire, WI
Witnesses spotted 21-year old Jesse Miller on the shoreline beneath the Lake Street bridge at 3:26 a.m. They flagged down a police car and told officers the man's intentions were unclear. Police began to question him, and upon doing so, Miller began moving further into the river until they lost sight of him. According to the report, Miller told police, "You have no idea what's going on" before he moved further into the water. There is no evidence the man was under the influence of alcohol or that it was an act of suicide, said Tim Golden, detective sergeant of the Eau Claire Police Department.
Investigation
Police later determined that Miller had been out with his friends on Water Street prior to the incident. Volunteers searched the shoreline and found Miller's clothing, which consisted of socks, shoes, boxer shorts, pants and a shirt.
Recovery
Jesse's body was found Sept. 12, 2004 in the Chippewa River. He had a blood-alcohol content of 0.22, which is above the 0.08 legal driving limit in Wisconsin.
Facts of Interest
Name/age: Jesse Miller, 21
College: former UW-Eau Claire student
Physical description: unknown
Last seen: 09/12/04 3:26 a.m.
Recovered: 09/2/04 5:30 p.m., Chippewa River, on shoreline beneath Lake Street bridge
Cause of death: unknown
Injuries: unknown
Blood Alcohol Content: .22
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256792
4/30/2008 7:41 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
here's another one-
from abc news forum
I have never wanted to believe that these are the work of a serial killer. It breaks my heart. I don't know about all the cases. But I did know Patrick Kycia, who died in Moorehead, Minnesota very well. I was told too many times,"no foul play". Patrick was a brilliant, funny, likable young man who happened to go to a frat party and disappeared. He was found in the river 5 days later. None of the facts of the case have ever added up. I try to keep an open mind and pray that the TRUTH,whatever it turns out to be will be told. I knew him and loved him for 19 years. He is my son. I know, without a doubt, that my son did not walk two miles out of the way just to walk into the Red River.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256792
4/30/2008 7:45 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
from abc news forum
I read this story with great interest. In December of 1992 or 1993 a good friend of mine, Alexis Dillard, left a University of Kansas bar around 2:00 a.m. and was never seen again. The Kansas river is very close to the bar and many said the river probably played into his disappearance. He was never seen again. Alexis was athletic, very bright, and the leader of his fraternity. I believe there is something to this story and am glad the networks are covering it. If any of the detectives reading this need further information, please contact me at goshocks69@yahoo.com. I would like to help in this endeavor!!!!!!!!
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mercury2
User ID: 425838
4/30/2008 7:48 PM
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Got the link to that abc story with the responses? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256792
4/30/2008 7:51 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
from the abcnews.go forum(as the above mentioned)
Josh Szostak disappeared from Albany after a night of partying with his friends. The only thing that was found was his cell phone. After 4 months, he was finally found. His death was ruled an accidently drowning. They did two autospys and found nothing. I'm from Albany and there is no way being drunk he could have stumbled and fallen into the Hudson. I knew Josh and he would never commit suicide. 40 men with VERY similar deaths, how can they not be related? When I first heard of this story, Josh's death automatically popped into my head.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256792
4/30/2008 7:53 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 424478
4/30/2008 8:04 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
I can tell ya exactly whats gong on, a bunch of sick fucks in this world, humans are disgusting creatures, worse than animals, animals are actually here for a reason, humans are here for sport killing, Alien VS Predator. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256792
4/30/2008 8:27 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
I think it might be police -
1)the victims would feel obligated to get into the car(may have been offered a ride)- there was obvious compliance
2)they seemed to all go along with it and showed no signs of
struggle (otherwise there would have been stories about attempted abductions that don't seem to be out there)
3)there may have been more than one police officer in the car that participated
4) the comment that one of the victims made by phone that"he didn't know what he had done" ( because of police involvement?)
5) the non compliance and disinterest in following thru with
the investigations(indicating cover up)
6) were the victims tazed?(would leave no obvious injury)
and the victims didn't seem to have defensive wounds |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 361479
4/30/2008 8:49 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
maybe it is an initiation for a gang? that would explain why it is so widespread and perhaps the smiley face is some type of gang insignia? and maybe it is a girl gang.... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 361479
4/30/2008 8:52 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
the reason i think that girls are involved is that young, somewhat intoxicated college students would not be on guard if approached by a few girls.
I think these two detectives are amazing. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
4/30/2008 10:56 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
Yeah, these detectives are amazing. I was thinking about how they focused on where the victims went INTO the water, rather than where they were found. These cops are good. Can you imagine how hard it would be to figure out where the victim went INTO the water? Sometimes, long after the crime? But, these guys accomplished that and the evidence is the smiley faces. I wonder how they did it.
I've always thought being a homocide detective would be a fascinating job. I really admire the talented ones.
I, too, thought of Ted Gunderson. He should be involved if he's not already. As for the autopsies, I think I would call in Michael Baden and exhume some bodies. He's got a TV show on the old Court TV channel (think it's called Real TV, now) and I saw some stuff where deaths had been ruled suicide and he proved they homocide. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
5/1/2008 12:10 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 426034
5/1/2008 12:32 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
Just read an article in which the missing student from albany "josh" his father was searching the river banks of the river looking for jewelry josh was wearing and found a smiley face painted on a tree. plus the planting of the evidence away from the river. sounds like a pretty solid link |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256792
5/1/2008 12:53 AM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 426043
5/1/2008 1:03 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 256792
Good find. But would a Mexican drug cartel choose the upper Midwest and not Southwest or Cali? At very least it sounds like someone may be copying their MO. |
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mercury2
User ID: 426015
5/1/2008 1:05 AM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 256792
From that link, truly creepy, and they mention Ciudad Juarez, but haven't there been 200 murders in a year in Nuevo Laredo with no arrests as well?
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I found this at another forum, and here are a few comments that I found interesting-
Quote:
Mexican drug smuggler's doing ritualistic satanic murders. They happen in Mexico all the time. The smiley face is the "brand".
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There's like 400 headless women in Juarez and almost half of them have drug brand. ....it's a part of the aztec tradition of human sacrifice to gain favor from the gods when they have a big deal going through. Very well known and commonplace practice with Central American crime gangs.
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I'm dead serious about drug dealers in Mexico doing human sacrifices. It's standard practice. And the smiley face is the "brand" cartels use to label their product. You see them on big packages of weed, coke and acid.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
In one city alone, they've had over 400 ritualistic murders of women, and another 330 missing. Every investigation concludes the same thing: Drug Cartels and human sacrifice. They have a big shipment going through so they kill a young, healthy person as an offering.
There was a case a couple years back in Tijuana where they were killing, blond haired guys as an offering to the Aztec gods. I'll try to find a link...
[link to www.crimelibrary.com]
Here's the story of the drug smugglers in TJ that were doing it.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 366477
5/1/2008 1:07 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
Michigan victims at Big Ten colleges, from what I hear. |
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Supernormal
User ID: 108814
5/1/2008 1:15 AM
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the reason i think that girls are involved is that young, somewhat intoxicated college students would not be on guard if approached by a few girls.
I think these two detectives are amazing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 361479
Thank God for them. I heard that they're close to making arrests of some suspects. I wonder what happened with that. They were supposed to arrest them today or Friday.
This truly is surreal. I've thought of MS 13, racist groups, street gangs, Maury Terry's subject matter, black operations, copycats, thrill killers, homicidal hobos, varied cults, internet-connected creeps, insane anime fans, and Native American psychos. My guess is that a street gang is behind it, but I doubt that they're girls. They might use girls as bait, though.
Let the truth be your religion. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
5/1/2008 2:23 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
The prisoners, I mean. I won´t recount the extraordinary charges leveled here except to mention the most frightening image from the documentary: the CACI Training Manual, which provides step-by-step instruction on how to interrogate subjects, each of whom is depicted as a stick figure with a smiley face. Surreal doesn´t begin to describe it.
[link to www.dvdtown.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 426230
5/1/2008 10:48 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
the reason i really started this was because of a thread that was here a couple months ago. a college kid disappeared from campus. i never saw a resolution to it, and thought this might be involved. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 421309
Nick Garza - why was that thread deleted? It just seems strange that it was deleted. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
5/1/2008 6:12 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
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