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Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 428040
5/5/2008 12:34 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
Why is the fbi covering this up?
Because it goes all the way to the top. You'll see. Quoting: from a WI resident 400555
Yep. Just like the Franklin cover up. Nothing was done about it then but hopefully this time there will be. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
5/5/2008 12:41 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
Why is the fbi covering this up?
Because it goes all the way to the top. You'll see.
To Indian Elder:
I would NOT feel any better about Sensenbrenner looking into this. He is NWO all the way.
He voted across the board for Patriot Act, Homeland Security and broadening powers of the state at the expense of individual security/privacy.
Sensenbrenner looking into this would be pretty much a whitewash of any true evidence. Quoting: from a WI resident 400555
Ditto that.
A US senator is more likely to me a cult member.
DC Madam
Chandra Levy
many others
All killed by these evil fucks in power |
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Indian Elder
User ID: 325403
5/5/2008 12:21 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
All of what you say about sensenbrenner is true, but if he is writing it means he has ALOT of pressure from people and it brings publicity to it...but all of the govt/gestapo in Wisc are in on stuff like this ...Illinois, too. Just look at the Peterson case there...he thought nothing of getting rid of not one but two wives because he was a cop. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
5/5/2008 2:54 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
I sent this and the Trane thread to the detectives.
I'm really impressed with how smart some of the GLP posters are. Best forum on the web. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
5/5/2008 2:58 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
Why is the fbi covering this up?
Because it goes all the way to the top. You'll see.
Yep. Just like the Franklin cover up. Nothing was done about it then but hopefully this time there will be. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 428040
I also sent the detectives the links to Ted Gunderson's site and to Maureen Gosch's site, on her son Johnny.
All of these crimes are ONE cult. There may be low level operatives who don't that they are part of something larger, but for all of who have been connecting dots for years, we know. This is the Octopus that Danny Casolaro wrote about. The same cult that murdered him. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 425277
5/5/2008 6:37 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
What happened to the trane thread - I can't find it. Maybe I'm using the wrong words? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256792
5/5/2008 7:54 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
5/5/2008 9:25 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
What happened to the trane thread - I can't find it. Maybe I'm using the wrong words? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 425277
It's on the first page. Starts with "Similey". |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
5/5/2008 9:26 PM | |
eight
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5/5/2008 9:35 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
Today I saw a man who refused to look at me in the eyes. He tried constantly to get me to look at something behind me...thus after a minute of his deuranged behavior, I grabbed a letter opener and was about to slam it down on my desk when he ran off like his 'test' was over...sick. |
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eight
User ID: 428497
5/5/2008 9:35 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
Today I saw a man who refused to look at me in the eyes. He tried constantly to get me to look at something behind me...thus after a minute of his deuranged behavior, I grabbed a letter opener and was about to slam it down on my desk when he ran off like his 'test' was over...sick. |
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AgentChesterDesmond
User ID: 428585
5/6/2008 1:02 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
I must say I am completely engrossed in this whole thing. I really need to get to bed after reading up on this for hours. The first thing that came to mind was John Pike, drummer for the Syracuse NY band Ra Ra Riot. This is a brief snippet from an article in billboard magazine:
June 04, 2007, 11:00 AM ET
Katie Hasty, N.Y.
John Pike, drummer for up-and-coming indie rock band Ra Ra Riot, was found dead in Massachusetts this weekend. The 23-year-old went missing early Saturday morning (June 2) after a party in Fairhaven.
Local authorities found Pike's body yesterday in the waters of Buzzard's Bay, a location less than a mile from the party. The unsigned group had performed at the Living Room in Providence, R.I., the night prior.
I cant seem to find this list of all 40 possible victims but if he isn't on there, I think he should be. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
5/6/2008 1:12 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
I must say I am completely engrossed in this whole thing. I really need to get to bed after reading up on this for hours. The first thing that came to mind was John Pike, drummer for the Syracuse NY band Ra Ra Riot. This is a brief snippet from an article in billboard magazine:
June 04, 2007, 11:00 AM ET
Katie Hasty, N.Y.
John Pike, drummer for up-and-coming indie rock band Ra Ra Riot, was found dead in Massachusetts this weekend. The 23-year-old went missing early Saturday morning (June 2) after a party in Fairhaven.
Local authorities found Pike's body yesterday in the waters of Buzzard's Bay, a location less than a mile from the party. The unsigned group had performed at the Living Room in Providence, R.I., the night prior.
I cant seem to find this list of all 40 possible victims but if he isn't on there, I think he should be. Quoting: AgentChesterDesmond 428585
Here's one blog that has a list -
[link to footprintsattheriversedge.blogspot.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256792
5/6/2008 1:33 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
very interesting comment on thread
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It scares me to think about now that I have watched this video there are two stories that completely agree with these two investigators. I have been attending UW-Eau Claire which is only about an hour and a half north of UW-Lacrosse. Here we have a river and multiple bridges connecting out downtown to our campuses and college housing. I remember when I first lived in the dorms during my first winter there was a man who was found beaten up, bloodied, and passed out in the basement. The men who found him were people living on my floor who told me that when they woke him he was in one o the most drunk and angry states that they have ever seen a man. Drugs were even mentioned for this reason once we all talked about it later that night. Well when the individual was finally calmed down he explained to my friends that he was walking back from the bars and was attacked by two individuals that he remembered from one of the bars he was at who threw him over the bridge and instead of hitting the water he hit the rocks and trees below. Sadly though this man was never taken and questioned by the police because he was handed over to the RA's who informed him that they were going to call the police. When hearing this he demanded them not to call them, most likely because he was underage or didn't want to pay for medical procedures. The man ended up running out the door and was lost to the outside. Sadly, no one knew his name and the police couldn't do anything.The second story that I wish to inform people about isn't as detailed and always sounded like a rumor to me because there really isn't to many hard facts, but apparently there was a man walking back from the bars who was followed by car by two individuals. All i know is that eventually he was running from a man while the other was trying to find him by car. he ended up hiding in a random persons house and calling his friend to come pick him up. I don't know if he ever contacted the police about this.
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Anonymous Coward
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5/6/2008 1:39 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
very interesting comment on thread
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It scares me to think about now that I have watched this video there are two stories that completely agree with these two investigators. I have been attending UW-Eau Claire which is only about an hour and a half north of UW-Lacrosse. Here we have a river and multiple bridges connecting out downtown to our campuses and college housing. I remember when I first lived in the dorms during my first winter there was a man who was found beaten up, bloodied, and passed out in the basement. The men who found him were people living on my floor who told me that when they woke him he was in one o the most drunk and angry states that they have ever seen a man. Drugs were even mentioned for this reason once we all talked about it later that night. Well when the individual was finally calmed down he explained to my friends that he was walking back from the bars and was attacked by two individuals that he remembered from one of the bars he was at who threw him over the bridge and instead of hitting the water he hit the rocks and trees below. Sadly though this man was never taken and questioned by the police because he was handed over to the RA's who informed him that they were going to call the police. When hearing this he demanded them not to call them, most likely because he was underage or didn't want to pay for medical procedures. The man ended up running out the door and was lost to the outside. Sadly, no one knew his name and the police couldn't do anything.The second story that I wish to inform people about isn't as detailed and always sounded like a rumor to me because there really isn't to many hard facts, but apparently there was a man walking back from the bars who was followed by car by two individuals. All i know is that eventually he was running from a man while the other was trying to find him by car. he ended up hiding in a random persons house and calling his friend to come pick him up. I don't know if he ever contacted the police about this.
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Jshubba May-5
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OMG - the man in the first story could identify one of them.
Maybe he will read about the killings and come forward. If so hope he contacts the two detectives and not anyone else because the information will never get to them. The FBI and most of the police sound like the are helping to cover it up. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 428603
5/6/2008 1:42 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
When were those incidents at Eau Cliare? How long ago. Could they still be students there? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256792
5/6/2008 1:43 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
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Good morning all. I just read on At s website, that myke said he had a chilling story. When he got out of the military in 2000-2001, he was in Minneapolis, MN and had been at a nite club, accidently locked himself out of his hotel room, he ended up in front of his hotel. He said he was drunk. A van pulled up and the side door opened, he woke up laying on a mattress with his hands bound and covered w a piece of plywood. He states he got away. The van was at some tall projects, he thinks blue and red panels, close to the rail road tracks. If this story is true this person needs to report this as it could be inportant. If you read alot of these posts on these websites they are chilling! Somebody out there probable knows something that could have to do with all these missing and drowning persons. Also there are real pictures of smiley faces on that website.
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I knew Nathan Herr very well. I actually lived with the family for awhile because I was dating his sister. He was the most happy-go-lucky guy I ever knew. He never let anything bug him and was well liked. I know in my heart that there is no way he would commit suicide. From where he was that night and to where he lived it didn't even make sense for him to be down by Lake Michigan. He lived in Sheboygan his whole life as well as I did (minus a few months here and there) and he knew his way home no matter how drunk he was. I hope these detectives really dig into these deaths. There is something very ominous about the whole thing. Not to mention my brother this past summer was walking home intoxicated by the lake and a man with Tennesse license plates followed him and kept asking him to get in the car to go party. My brother told him to get the f@#$ away and asked if he was gay or something. The guy got out of the car and chased my brother on foot but my brother got away. He hid in a bush and called the police, gave a description of the guy, and the whereabouts of where he left his car when the foot chase ensued. The man was arrested for Disorderly Conduct and DWI but my brother didn't even think about these murders (or mystery deaths) until I brought it to his attention. Maybe this man's past should be looked in to!!
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Anonymous Coward
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5/6/2008 9:16 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 428785
5/6/2008 10:53 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
Some ideas:
The water must be significant in all of this, not just as a means to wash away evidence.
Now if we start finding charred bodies and bloodless corpses, then we really need to start worrying! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 428547
5/6/2008 11:46 AM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
my theory for more killings late in the year would be that they have a yearly pattern they carry out.they could be spelling something out with the first names of the city every year for instance.you know how many people have last minute christmas shopping to do?it would kind of be like that except they have killing to do.if they are spelling out something with the letters SMILEY FACE then a victim near a city with a TRane factory would be a more likely victim.The dates for classes and other events at Trane at the time of the deaths should be looked into .The trane theory could be wrong and the locations just a coincidence but if it is true it could prove who the killer is. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 428547
5/6/2008 12:09 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
you could also look at this another way.if the killer-killers- are a hvac technician it could be a coincidence the first letterrs of the cities where the victims disappeared could be the coincidence.On the other hand ,maybe they are spelling smiley face killer man or something like that with the first letters of the city.notice how you would have to do a lot of killing in an L city |
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TRIMTAB23
User ID: 399554
5/6/2008 12:10 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
I would like to add a few points in this thread.
I listened to both of the Coast to Coast broadcasts about this subject.
One of the most interesting callers that I remember said:
This person or these people are not perfect killing machines.
Someone must have gotten away.
Some drunk kid or kids must have escaped the trap.
Someone out here, IS alive, must have a crazy memory of an attempted abduction or murder.
Another point: On the first broadcast, it was stated there may be as many as 100 deaths associated with and surrounding this person or people. Since the retired Detectives can only directly link 40, they officially go with 40.
Most if not all of the dead bodies where severely decomposed: they had been in the water for too long a time.
Little if any quality trace forensic evidence survived.
Another point: This story is not new. Only now, the story has the “Smiley Face” tag.
There is a lot of graffiti at the point of entry, the detectives will only release the Smiley Face and Sinsinawa tags.
I hope this story gets all the wheels turning, and every bit of serious consideration that it has long deserved.
Google I-94 serial killer and you will find an old page dedicated to this very subject.
[link to www.vanceholmes.com]
I cannot tell you when this web page started, but I noticed it sometime in 2003.
Another point: the St. Cloud State, Professor studying this has predicted when to expect another death, apparently based on some kind of statistical analysis.
One final point: If a friend or loved one goes missing, under similar circumstances, I would hope that you run as fast as you can to the river. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 428547
5/6/2008 12:15 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
and i think you need to look at it this way.If there is a pattern,they might prefer a young man that looks like an easy target because he is all ready got a good buzz on ,but they could be killing others.maybe they just don't have time to find and kill what they would consider the perfect victim every time. |
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bucqui
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5/6/2008 12:18 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
I worry that this could be the overactive imagination of the zealous detectives who have devoted their lives to this case. Let's face it, most bridges have graffiti and usually at least one smiley face. Since the bodies are found in water, it isn't a stretch therefore to expect to find a smiley face on the nearest bridge.
Bonnie B |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 428826
5/6/2008 12:33 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
2 see if i still got the same #. |
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Anonymous Coward
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5/6/2008 12:40 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
I worry that this could be the overactive imagination of the zealous detectives who have devoted their lives to this case. Let's face it, most bridges have graffiti and usually at least one smiley face. Since the bodies are found in water, it isn't a stretch therefore to expect to find a smiley face on the nearest bridge.
Bonnie B Quoting: bucqui
There is some truth to what you say but what about the other factors. Like the word Sinsiniwa? Finding that word graffitied at one of the drowning locations then finding it at another location except this time its the name of a street where a nearby drowning occured. Two entirely different locations. Two different states.
That can't be a coincidence.
The detectives found similar graffiti (smiley faces and other graffiti) at like 20 of the locations??
Its a strange case and some of the deaths were probably accidents, no doubt, but it needs to be investigated to discern whether serial killers are doing this. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 428874
5/6/2008 1:59 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
I've just finished reading this entire thread, and thanks to all that have contributed to my awakening to this horror.
I'd like to put forth an idea that I haven't seen. These men are all collage age, white men. Everyone seems to go with the idea of their killing as being part of a ritual.
I discount the 'Satanic' or 'cult' murders, because there is no blood or even noticable cause of death.
I also discount the 'girl gang' idea as if it was a 'hate/anger' driven act, their would again be visable proof. (beatings, brusings, maiming)
I propose the idea that these men were not allowed into a club, gang, group and thus exicuted. This would account for their simular age descriptions. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 428547
5/6/2008 2:16 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
I worry that this could be the overactive imagination of the zealous detectives who have devoted their lives to this case. Let's face it, most bridges have graffiti and usually at least one smiley face. Since the bodies are found in water, it isn't a stretch therefore to expect to find a smiley face on the nearest bridge.
Bonnie B Quoting: bucqui
you could be right,but i tend to believe the detectives have established a pattern,but maybe not every clue they find is relevant.some could just be a coincidence.
to the poster that says they are only killing young college men ,i would disagree.that may be their pattern but that does not mean every victim is a young college man.every drowning and death with no witnesses needs to be looked at.by establishing a pattern a killer may be found that does not even have any thing to do with the smiley face killer or killers.if you go to a certain city to kill someone you might not find a young college man that is an easy target and have to kill someone else.you would have to assume that they have all the time in the world to find a young male victim with no witnesses around or one that would just willingly go with them every single time. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 428972
5/6/2008 5:28 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
very interesting comment on thread
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It scares me to think about now that I have watched this video there are two stories that completely agree with these two investigators. I have been attending UW-Eau Claire which is only about an hour and a half north of UW-Lacrosse. Here we have a river and multiple bridges connecting out downtown to our campuses and college housing. I remember when I first lived in the dorms during my first winter there was a man who was found beaten up, bloodied, and passed out in the basement. The men who found him were people living on my floor who told me that when they woke him he was in one o the most drunk and angry states that they have ever seen a man. Drugs were even mentioned for this reason once we all talked about it later that night. Well when the individual was finally calmed down he explained to my friends that he was walking back from the bars and was attacked by two individuals that he remembered from one of the bars he was at who threw him over the bridge and instead of hitting the water he hit the rocks and trees below. Sadly though this man was never taken and questioned by the police because he was handed over to the RA's who informed him that they were going to call the police. When hearing this he demanded them not to call them, most likely because he was underage or didn't want to pay for medical procedures. The man ended up running out the door and was lost to the outside. Sadly, no one knew his name and the police couldn't do anything.The second story that I wish to inform people about isn't as detailed and always sounded like a rumor to me because there really isn't to many hard facts, but apparently there was a man walking back from the bars who was followed by car by two individuals. All i know is that eventually he was running from a man while the other was trying to find him by car. he ended up hiding in a random persons house and calling his friend to come pick him up. I don't know if he ever contacted the police about this.
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Jshubba May-5
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Just had a thought. In another post it was said the young man that ran away from the R.A.'s can identify one of the killers (one of the two that kidnapped him) because he recognized him from the bar.
What if the killer(s) are reading this thread or another with this information and try to find that young man before the detectives do?
Someone gave the detectives the link to this thread. Hope they can find the young man before the killers do. |
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JEFFREY
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5/6/2008 5:30 PM | | Re: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US | Quote |
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.................DELICIOUS............I WOULD STAR ON THE PRO FOOTBALL PLAYERS MYSELF. |
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