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PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008-2023
Although Pluto is a small planet (in fact, it is now classified as a dwarf planet) it packs a powerful punch. Pluto represents death and endings and the breakdown of the structures in our life that are required in order to bring transformation and fresh beginnings. Pluto brings us face to face with the ultimate reality of life and, watching over us like a shamanic guardian, destroys whatever stands in the way of our soul's ultimate destination.
Pluto's passage through the signs brings with it a compulsive fascination in the issues denoted by that sign. He ruthlessly exposes the darkness that lies at the core of the sign's archetypes and, destroying the old order, demands that we rebuild on the ashes of the old. Like the Phoenix bird with which it is associated, Pluto dies and is regenerated to begin anew.
Pluto has been traveling through Sagittarius since 1995, bringing with it wars (Pluto) over religion and ideology (Sagittarius), as well as "culture wars" and the growing divide between groups that think differently, all Sagittarius archetypes. Sagittarius rules the media and entertainment, and the rise of a new compulsivity in celebrity journalism has grown up since Pluto entered Sagittarius, with the internet spawning a huge new gossip market. Sagittarius carries with it a nearly relentless optimism; ruled by Jupiter with its expansive need for growth, Pluto in Sagittarius has seen soaring home prices and a burgeoning stock market that seems to have no end. The "new economy" of the dot com era occurred under Pluto's Sagittarian influence, as did the explosion of the vacation home market.
Pluto transits typically include a breakdown phase, where structures that no longer serve us are dismantled to make room for new structures that are more in line with our spiritual evolution. I like to think of these periods as course corrections, where our guides or gods decide that certain changes are required. If we understand the process and can surrender to it with trust, this can be an exhilarating time of transformation and empowerment. If we resist and hold on to the past it can be full of tragedy and pain.
Capricorn is the sign of the builder, the achiever. Capricorn is rooted in the material world and understands that life on earth requires a practical approach to the matters of earning a living. There is also a drive for success; to climb the highest mountains like the goat which is it's symbol. For Capricorn, the ends justify the means and achievement of one's goals is the important thing and it is able to maintain a powerful focus.
Its rulership by Saturn gives respect for discipline and authority and Capricorn has tremendous respect for governmental structures and the stability of a moral system. However, Saturn also bestows its tendency towards pessimism and lack of humor as all things personal are sacrificed for the goal. There is often a tendency to prize material things above those of the emotional or spiritual realms, and this lack of balance can create a dry and miserable experience.
When Pluto goes through Capricorn we can expect the transformation of all things ruled by that sign - such as our religious institutions, halls of government and political structures, the way we inter our dead and take care of our old people, construction techniques and buildings, and how we handle ownership of property.
While Pluto takes 244 years to orbit the Sun, its elliptical orbit means that it doesn't spend the same amount of time in each sign. For example, it only took twelve years to travel through Scorpio, but it took 26 years to get through Cancer and 19 years through Leo. Pluto will be in Capricorn until 2024, and this occurs at a time when our Capricornian structures are ripe for transformation. Industry (Capricorn) in developed and developing countries as become a major source of carbon emissions which threaten the survival of life on earth. The Catholic Church (Capricorn), rocked by sex scandals, is struggling for survival. The very way we do business (Capricorn) is being forever changed by the globalization of politics and the economy.
Pluto will be enter Capricorn for the first time January 25, 2008 and will retrograde back into Sagittarius one final time on June 14. It will journey back into Capricorn on November 26, 2008 and remain there until January 21, 2024. For sixteen years, Pluto will engage in a process of breaking down and then rebuilding the structures on which we depend for a successful experience in the material world.
There is a natural evolution to the path of the planets through the zodiacal signs as each sign offers a completely different experience than the sign before. In Sagittarius, Pluto has been compulsively expansive and optimistic, intensifying religious fervor - all qualities of Sagittarius. In Capricorn, Pluto seeks to contract and solidify and build solid structures for society. In the process, the structures that already exist are broken down and irrevocably transformed
Pluto was last in Capricorn from November 1762 until December 1, 1778. Pluto deals with transformation of the political and economic realities of our world, and its entry into Capricorn marked the end of the Seven Years' War in which France ceded Canada to Britain, but political unrest was felt throughout Europe as well as in the Colonies and this period marked a reconfiguration of many of the nations in the world. Catherine the Great acceded to the throne after the murder of her husband, perhaps at her own hand, and presided over wars with the Ottoman Empire that resulted in Russian acquisition of much of the Turkish lands. The first partition in Poland occurred during this period which split Poland into three sections owned by Russia, Prussia and Austria. Britain traded Cuba to Spain in exchange for Florida; Parliament passed the Stamp Act to pay for the wars that began the Colonial rebellion that resulted in the American Revolution.
The thirst for revolution in France, England and Russia of the Pluto in Aquarius period that generated an obsession (Pluto) with liberty and equality (Aquarius) stemmed from a reaction to the breakup and reconfiguration of world nations (Capricorn) that followed the colonial expansion (Sagittarius) that preceded it. Pluto's previous passage through Capricorn back in 1516-1533 c.e. was preceded by the original exploration of the New World that gave rise to the later Colonial ideals. Once the original explorers had returned to the courts of Europe, under Pluto in Capricorn those countries set out to conquer the New World and create new colonies that were subservient to the European rulers. The rise of anti-Catholic sentiment that brought about the rise of Protestants under Pluto in Sagittarius gave way to Martin Luther's formalizing his revolt with his nailing his Thesis to the door of the Church in 1517 under Pluto in Capricorn, founding a new structure of worship, the Lutheran Church.
Although Pluto will enter Capricorn for the first time in January, it will retrograde back into the late degrees in Sagittarius in June 2008 where it will make one final sweep through the Sagittarian issues of religion, philosophy, travel, ideology, journalism, optimism, and general expansion. Throughout 2008 it will be virtually stationary, traveling less than three degrees during this period, from 1 degree Capricorn back through 28 degrees Sagittarius. Because it will be stationary for so long, where its influence is the most powerful, I would expect a great deal of intensity and forced transformation during this period. This will be particularly intense for those of us who have planets in the late degrees of the mutable signs (Virgo, Pisces, Sagittarius, Gemini) or the early degrees of the cardinal signs (Capricorn, Cancer, Aries Libra).
Pluto causes endings and new beginnings - it forces us to surrender as it rebuilds us from the inside out. I suspect that throughout next year the intense optimism of Pluto in Sagittarius will battle with the necessity for realism of Pluto in Capricorn, and it will be a while before the economic problems really hit home. Mars will oppose Pluto in early March, which will create some fireworks of aggression and confrontation, and Saturn will make its second trine to Pluto in April which will ease the challenge of the new requirements of Capricorn Pluto which wants to tear down and rebuild the structures of our life and planet and intensify the power bases that govern society.
Once Pluto is firmly entrenched in Capricorn beginning in December 2008, we will begin to really see it at work. This of course will follow the US presidential election in November 2008. Pluto seeks to focus and intensify as well as break down and regenerate. The structures of our world keep societies in order and functioning: churches, governments, buildings - all of these are ruled by Capricorn. But so are bridges and tunnels, and the entire infrastructure upon which we live, particularly in urban areas, are likely to experience a severe breakdown while Pluto travels through Capricorn. Underground transportation, under the domain of the god of the underworld, could become a battleground as Pluto often brings warfare or death in the areas of the sign through which it passes (such as September 11th during Pluto in Sagittarius, where air travel became a conveyance of death and total world transformation).
During the passage of Pluto, we see extremes and compulsions in the area of life associated with the sign through which Pluto travels, and with the Capricornian association with governments and government buildings I would expect a worldwide attempt to solidify a global government and minimize individual liberties. Pluto deals with issues of power - on a personal level such as personal empowerment as well as with the power structures that govern all of humanity that fall under the rubric of the Capricorn theme. When Uranus enters Aries in 2010-2011, there will be a fervor as the pendulum swings back towards individual liberties. By the time Uranus forms a square to Pluto in Capricorn in 2012-2013 there will be tremendous cultural, social and political upheaval which will further transform governments and political structures.
Pluto's reach will extend beyond governments, however. Capricorn also rules the elderly and end of life issues, and Pluto's passage through Capricorn could transform the way we view the entire process of death and dying, including the disposal of the body after death.
Often Pluto's passage through one sign is a reaction to Pluto's passage through the previous sign, and in Capricorn there may be a reaction of the practical and materialistic Capricorn against the ideological idealism of Pluto's travel through Sagittarius. An overdose of pragmatism could lead to the negativity and depression with which Capricorn is sometimes associated. Capricorn is associated with achievement and can be ruthless in its efforts to climb to the top, and we could see an increased obsession (Pluto) with climbing the ladder of success that leads to a breakdown in certain segments of society.
There is always a side to Pluto cycles, and in Capricorn we are likely to see an increase in stability and a more practical approach to economics and business than we saw under the Sagittarian influence. The inflated (Sag) bonuses for CEOs that we saw in recent years are likely a sign of the past as businesses and corporations become more concerned with Capricornian fundamentals than with Sagittarian appearance and image. Capricorn is essentially practical and prizes achievement above all else, which means achievement of real goals and objectives. Although Pluto in Capricorn will bring out secrets (Pluto) of governments and other political entities (Cap), there will be an increased focus on proficiency, skill, and a successful outcome rather than spin and propaganda of the Sagittarian era.
I don't know about you, but all of that sounds to me like a great improvement and to which I am looking forward!
[link to www.astrodynamics.net]
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| Phoenix 2012  
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4/28/2008 5:30 AM
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Nice! Pluto, Scorpio, and 26. Thanks for the post Wasayo!
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| *Vishuz
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4/28/2008 5:42 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
Thanks, indeed -- I read it before, it's very interesting the changes ahead of us.
My rising sign is Capricorn so I wonder how this transit will affect me. I'll do some research.
Pluto transits typically include a breakdown phase, where structures that no longer serve us are dismantled to make room for new structures that are more in line with our spiritual evolution. I like to think of these periods as course corrections, where our guides or gods decide that certain changes are required. If we understand the process and can surrender to it with trust, this can be an exhilarating time of transformation and empowerment. If we resist and hold on to the past it can be full of tragedy and pain.
^^ Reminds me of what 2012 may bring. I'm already realizing in my own personal life, there are changes being made w/o me doing anything. Good changes, and bad. Family & friends seemingly are getting more distant and yet I have a habit of isolation, this habit somewhat no longer exists. I look for guidance and help more often now because I worry more & there are new experiences entering my life which I've never gone through before. In other words, my life might change very rapidly in any near future.. and that frightens me. =/
The blackening of roses will send you to the edges of the land/
The emerald tablets of Thoth the Atlantean/
The hands of the mighty Lion of Judah/
Will throw you through the triangular portals of Bermuda/
Exploring the Hologramic aspects of consciousness/ |
| Phoenix 2012
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4/28/2008 5:48 AM
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Thanks, indeed -- I read it before, it's very interesting the changes ahead of us.
My rising sign is Capricorn so I wonder how this transit will affect me. I'll do some research.
Pluto transits typically include a breakdown phase, where structures that no longer serve us are dismantled to make room for new structures that are more in line with our spiritual evolution. I like to think of these periods as course corrections, where our guides or gods decide that certain changes are required. If we understand the process and can surrender to it with trust, this can be an exhilarating time of transformation and empowerment. If we resist and hold on to the past it can be full of tragedy and pain.
^^ Reminds me of what 2012 may bring. I'm already realizing in my own personal life, there are changes being made w/o me doing anything. Good changes, and bad. Family & friends seemingly are getting more distant and yet I have a habit of isolation, this habit somewhat no longer exists. I look for guidance and help more often now because I worry more & there are new experiences entering my life which I've never gone through before. In other words, my life might change very rapidly in any near future.. and that frightens me. =/ Quoting: *Vishuz
I hear you, Vishuz. A great deal of people are re-aligning in this time.
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| Anonymous Coward
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4/28/2008 6:44 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
For the times they are a changing. And hopefully for the better after the greed the world has had to endure in recent years. |
| *Vishuz
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4/28/2008 6:53 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
For me:
Pluto is in the 9th house & Scorpio. A water sign.
Pluto also quintiles my rising sign which is Capricorn.
The quintile (abrv. QNt or Qui) is an angle of 72°, i.e. the angle for a regular pentagon. A separation of 72±2° is considered a quintile. This aspect is considered somewhat similar to a semisextile (moderately beneficial), but effort is not needed to reap its benefits. Indicates talent and vaguely fortunate circumstances.
All this is from my natal birth chart.
Anyone want to take a stab @ it and try & lemme know what this whole transit may mean for me? Thanks.
The blackening of roses will send you to the edges of the land/
The emerald tablets of Thoth the Atlantean/
The hands of the mighty Lion of Judah/
Will throw you through the triangular portals of Bermuda/
Exploring the Hologramic aspects of consciousness/ |
| Anonymous Coward
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4/28/2008 7:31 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
pluto IS 2012 |
| Anonymous Coward
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4/28/2008 7:33 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
and nobody knows pluto's timing
too many variables |
| GraftedPromise U$ofA
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4/28/2008 10:15 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
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| Lotus Feet
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4/28/2008 11:41 AM
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Some might be interested in this link
The Astrology of The Grand Irrationality - What Is It?
by Robert Wilkinson
[link to www.aquariuspapers.com]
Ring of Fire
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Lotus
"Blessed is the one that comes in the name of the LORD."
"I honor the place in you in which the entire Universe dwells, I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Integrity, of Wisdom and of Peace. When you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, we are One."
“Listen to advice and accept instruction, and in the end you will be wise. Many are the plans in a man's heart, but it is the LORD's purpose that prevails.”- Proverbs 19:20-21
THE CHRIST VISION
[link to christvisionloveunion.blogspot.com]
THE MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT
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| Majestic
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4/28/2008 11:56 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
I have been on about this since the day of destiny thread.
Very relevent.
Good post Wasayo Astrolabe |
| VAN HELSING
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7/26/2008 4:38 PM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
Very comprehensive analysis Wasayo. One of the things Pluto will do early in its Capricorn transit is afflict the Russian Pluto( Revolution chart). The last time this happened ,in 1973, we almost had a nuclear war. Sharon had the Egyptian army surrounded,was on the kill switch when Brezhnev threatened Russian intervention and Nixon went to defcon 3,launch on warning,status with America's nuclear arsenal. A replay of this is heralded by the repeat affliction in the Russian chart in 2010-11. So we may see the World war heralded in Ezekial 38 & 39. Detailed exegesis of that,with correct etymology of the tribal and regional names therein, yields a remarkably contemporary geoplitical array of nations at war: A Russian confederacy,with Iran and others against an Anglo-American confederacy with Saudi allies; fighting over the catalyst,Israel.This will be World War 3. Not an end- but the beginning of the end, I believe, of all prophecies and the coming of the new order under Christ. This dovetails with the 2012 Mayan terminus and the "before 2013" terminus Jesus gave in Luke 21 & Matthew 24. I see Capricorn as literalizing the deepest movements of fated,collective folly with Pluto there.The resources of the earth are the base level causes of war and Pluto in this dominant earth sign heralds serious resource issues. These issues dominate the interest the nuclear superpowers have in the Mideast. I think there's room in your comprehensive analysis to have that as a subset of what you've said herein. Blessings +++ Ed Birchmore |
| LifesReflections*
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11/25/2008 3:32 PM
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Pluto in Virgo in my 5th house ??????
edit...
Darn I can really mess up a post. I should have said I am a Capricorn, I do wonder if Pluto in Virgo in my 5th house will have any effect...
20 slaps to the back of the head....DONE
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| LifesReflections*
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11/28/2008 5:28 PM
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Wayso, I have a question for you..
The cut & paste attached is part of the discussion on the Pluto in Capricorn discussion, do you agree or have anything to add to the part about patricide, or killing one's father?
RE:
A new accountable corporate culture.
While during the Sagittarian period, genocide involving the mass killing by those of those of one culture by those of another featured in Bosnia. Fatherhood and patricide will become an important issue to feature in some way.
So we are moving from theory to practice, from philosophy to scepticism, from benign idealism to honest self-interest and from excess to economy. In this world the slow tortoise will surpass the haphazard hare.
[link to www.astrology.co.uk]
Success, like happiness, cannot be pursued. It must ensue. And it only does so as the unintended side effect of one's personal dedication to a cause greater than oneself.Victor Frank
~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
Let Go and Let God... Live your life in such a way that when your
feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders & says... 'Oh crap....she's awake!!' |
| Ahim-sa
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11/28/2008 5:39 PM
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Here ya go.
Now the Sun is in Uranus.
shift happens |
| GDW
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11/28/2008 5:41 PM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
I just love the comparisons between young dynamic Zeus to his old controlling father Cronus. |
| canislatrans
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11/28/2008 5:44 PM
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Wasayo,
We should get married in the next world. You know all sorts of bad stuff happens when two coyotes get together. ;)
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/28/2008 5:46 PM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
How this affects CAPRICORN - Pluto changing from Sagittarius to Capricorn through the ONE year of 2008 causes you to shift your focus and open up your intuitive insight. You have grown your own inner world and grown those qualities that truly matter. Your inner world has grown in deepening the values and power that naturally come with a Capricorn's ambitions and goals. Jupiter moving through Capricorn, your own sign, pushes you into the type of directions that you have wanted, however your journey throughout 2008 will have plenty of twists and turns. Ultimately, Jupiter and Pluto's movement into Capricorn shifts the type of journey into being one that is least expected. You will find that you have to run just to keep up with this new pace of your life. Jupiter expands you into so many directions at once and you'll have to eat and sleep on the run. Your life will take off into a new direction and it won't return to anything that resembles "normal" in a long time. You will be running at a faster and faster pace. Then with Pluto transitioning into Capricorn, you will find that the spotlight is on you and you have become the important person overnight. This takes you into a ball game that you least expected, but yet one that has you in your field of expertise. Your confidence level is strong, but you are in a whole new league. You will find that your ambitions and goals will become very visible and you will become the spotlight of leadership according to the inner qualities that you have grown while Pluto has been in Sagittarius. Many Capricorn's will come into positions of leadership from situations experienced while Pluto shifts through Sagittarius and will meet issues of ethics in business dealings head on in order to show your true capabilities. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/28/2008 5:46 PM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
Thanks, indeed -- I read it before, it's very interesting the changes ahead of us.
My rising sign is Capricorn so I wonder how this transit will affect me. I'll do some research.
Pluto transits typically include a breakdown phase, where structures that no longer serve us are dismantled to make room for new structures that are more in line with our spiritual evolution. I like to think of these periods as course corrections, where our guides or gods decide that certain changes are required. If we understand the process and can surrender to it with trust, this can be an exhilarating time of transformation and empowerment. If we resist and hold on to the past it can be full of tragedy and pain.
^^ Reminds me of what 2012 may bring. I'm already realizing in my own personal life, there are changes being made w/o me doing anything. Good changes, and bad. Family & friends seemingly are getting more distant and yet I have a habit of isolation, this habit somewhat no longer exists. I look for guidance and help more often now because I worry more & there are new experiences entering my life which I've never gone through before. In other words, my life might change very rapidly in any near future.. and that frightens me. =/ Quoting: *Vishuz
hey me too Capricorn rising.. i'm looking forward to a change for the positive... |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/28/2008 6:51 PM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008-2023
WASAYO Where do you see GLP year from now
Although Pluto is a small planet (in fact, it is now classified as a dwarf planet) it packs a powerful punch. Pluto represents death and endings and the breakdown of the structures in our life that are required in order to bring transformation and fresh beginnings. Pluto brings us face to face with the ultimate reality of life and, watching over us like a shamanic guardian, destroys whatever stands in the way of our soul's ultimate destination.
Pluto's passage through the signs brings with it a compulsive fascination in the issues denoted by that sign. He ruthlessly exposes the darkness that lies at the core of the sign's archetypes and, destroying the old order, demands that we rebuild on the ashes of the old. Like the Phoenix bird with which it is associated, Pluto dies and is regenerated to begin anew.
Pluto has been traveling through Sagittarius since 1995, bringing with it wars (Pluto) over religion and ideology (Sagittarius), as well as "culture wars" and the growing divide between groups that think differently, all Sagittarius archetypes. Sagittarius rules the media and entertainment, and the rise of a new compulsivity in celebrity journalism has grown up since Pluto entered Sagittarius, with the internet spawning a huge new gossip market. Sagittarius carries with it a nearly relentless optimism; ruled by Jupiter with its expansive need for growth, Pluto in Sagittarius has seen soaring home prices and a burgeoning stock market that seems to have no end. The "new economy" of the dot com era occurred under Pluto's Sagittarian influence, as did the explosion of the vacation home market.
Pluto transits typically include a breakdown phase, where structures that no longer serve us are dismantled to make room for new structures that are more in line with our spiritual evolution. I like to think of these periods as course corrections, where our guides or gods decide that certain changes are required. If we understand the process and can surrender to it with trust, this can be an exhilarating time of transformation and empowerment. If we resist and hold on to the past it can be full of tragedy and pain.
Capricorn is the sign of the builder, the achiever. Capricorn is rooted in the material world and understands that life on earth requires a practical approach to the matters of earning a living. There is also a drive for success; to climb the highest mountains like the goat which is it's symbol. For Capricorn, the ends justify the means and achievement of one's goals is the important thing and it is able to maintain a powerful focus.
Its rulership by Saturn gives respect for discipline and authority and Capricorn has tremendous respect for governmental structures and the stability of a moral system. However, Saturn also bestows its tendency towards pessimism and lack of humor as all things personal are sacrificed for the goal. There is often a tendency to prize material things above those of the emotional or spiritual realms, and this lack of balance can create a dry and miserable experience.
When Pluto goes through Capricorn we can expect the transformation of all things ruled by that sign - such as our religious institutions, halls of government and political structures, the way we inter our dead and take care of our old people, construction techniques and buildings, and how we handle ownership of property.
While Pluto takes 244 years to orbit the Sun, its elliptical orbit means that it doesn't spend the same amount of time in each sign. For example, it only took twelve years to travel through Scorpio, but it took 26 years to get through Cancer and 19 years through Leo. Pluto will be in Capricorn until 2024, and this occurs at a time when our Capricornian structures are ripe for transformation. Industry (Capricorn) in developed and developing countries as become a major source of carbon emissions which threaten the survival of life on earth. The Catholic Church (Capricorn), rocked by sex scandals, is struggling for survival. The very way we do business (Capricorn) is being forever changed by the globalization of politics and the economy.
Pluto will be enter Capricorn for the first time January 25, 2008 and will retrograde back into Sagittarius one final time on June 14. It will journey back into Capricorn on November 26, 2008 and remain there until January 21, 2024. For sixteen years, Pluto will engage in a process of breaking down and then rebuilding the structures on which we depend for a successful experience in the material world.
There is a natural evolution to the path of the planets through the zodiacal signs as each sign offers a completely different experience than the sign before. In Sagittarius, Pluto has been compulsively expansive and optimistic, intensifying religious fervor - all qualities of Sagittarius. In Capricorn, Pluto seeks to contract and solidify and build solid structures for society. In the process, the structures that already exist are broken down and irrevocably transformed
Pluto was last in Capricorn from November 1762 until December 1, 1778. Pluto deals with transformation of the political and economic realities of our world, and its entry into Capricorn marked the end of the Seven Years' War in which France ceded Canada to Britain, but political unrest was felt throughout Europe as well as in the Colonies and this period marked a reconfiguration of many of the nations in the world. Catherine the Great acceded to the throne after the murder of her husband, perhaps at her own hand, and presided over wars with the Ottoman Empire that resulted in Russian acquisition of much of the Turkish lands. The first partition in Poland occurred during this period which split Poland into three sections owned by Russia, Prussia and Austria. Britain traded Cuba to Spain in exchange for Florida; Parliament passed the Stamp Act to pay for the wars that began the Colonial rebellion that resulted in the American Revolution.
The thirst for revolution in France, England and Russia of the Pluto in Aquarius period that generated an obsession (Pluto) with liberty and equality (Aquarius) stemmed from a reaction to the breakup and reconfiguration of world nations (Capricorn) that followed the colonial expansion (Sagittarius) that preceded it. Pluto's previous passage through Capricorn back in 1516-1533 c.e. was preceded by the original exploration of the New World that gave rise to the later Colonial ideals. Once the original explorers had returned to the courts of Europe, under Pluto in Capricorn those countries set out to conquer the New World and create new colonies that were subservient to the European rulers. The rise of anti-Catholic sentiment that brought about the rise of Protestants under Pluto in Sagittarius gave way to Martin Luther's formalizing his revolt with his nailing his Thesis to the door of the Church in 1517 under Pluto in Capricorn, founding a new structure of worship, the Lutheran Church.
Although Pluto will enter Capricorn for the first time in January, it will retrograde back into the late degrees in Sagittarius in June 2008 where it will make one final sweep through the Sagittarian issues of religion, philosophy, travel, ideology, journalism, optimism, and general expansion. Throughout 2008 it will be virtually stationary, traveling less than three degrees during this period, from 1 degree Capricorn back through 28 degrees Sagittarius. Because it will be stationary for so long, where its influence is the most powerful, I would expect a great deal of intensity and forced transformation during this period. This will be particularly intense for those of us who have planets in the late degrees of the mutable signs (Virgo, Pisces, Sagittarius, Gemini) or the early degrees of the cardinal signs (Capricorn, Cancer, Aries Libra).
Pluto causes endings and new beginnings - it forces us to surrender as it rebuilds us from the inside out. I suspect that throughout next year the intense optimism of Pluto in Sagittarius will battle with the necessity for realism of Pluto in Capricorn, and it will be a while before the economic problems really hit home. Mars will oppose Pluto in early March, which will create some fireworks of aggression and confrontation, and Saturn will make its second trine to Pluto in April which will ease the challenge of the new requirements of Capricorn Pluto which wants to tear down and rebuild the structures of our life and planet and intensify the power bases that govern society.
Once Pluto is firmly entrenched in Capricorn beginning in December 2008, we will begin to really see it at work. This of course will follow the US presidential election in November 2008. Pluto seeks to focus and intensify as well as break down and regenerate. The structures of our world keep societies in order and functioning: churches, governments, buildings - all of these are ruled by Capricorn. But so are bridges and tunnels, and the entire infrastructure upon which we live, particularly in urban areas, are likely to experience a severe breakdown while Pluto travels through Capricorn. Underground transportation, under the domain of the god of the underworld, could become a battleground as Pluto often brings warfare or death in the areas of the sign through which it passes (such as September 11th during Pluto in Sagittarius, where air travel became a conveyance of death and total world transformation).
During the passage of Pluto, we see extremes and compulsions in the area of life associated with the sign through which Pluto travels, and with the Capricornian association with governments and government buildings I would expect a worldwide attempt to solidify a global government and minimize individual liberties. Pluto deals with issues of power - on a personal level such as personal empowerment as well as with the power structures that govern all of humanity that fall under the rubric of the Capricorn theme. When Uranus enters Aries in 2010-2011, there will be a fervor as the pendulum swings back towards individual liberties. By the time Uranus forms a square to Pluto in Capricorn in 2012-2013 there will be tremendous cultural, social and political upheaval which will further transform governments and political structures.
Pluto's reach will extend beyond governments, however. Capricorn also rules the elderly and end of life issues, and Pluto's passage through Capricorn could transform the way we view the entire process of death and dying, including the disposal of the body after death.
Often Pluto's passage through one sign is a reaction to Pluto's passage through the previous sign, and in Capricorn there may be a reaction of the practical and materialistic Capricorn against the ideological idealism of Pluto's travel through Sagittarius. An overdose of pragmatism could lead to the negativity and depression with which Capricorn is sometimes associated. Capricorn is associated with achievement and can be ruthless in its efforts to climb to the top, and we could see an increased obsession (Pluto) with climbing the ladder of success that leads to a breakdown in certain segments of society.
There is always a side to Pluto cycles, and in Capricorn we are likely to see an increase in stability and a more practical approach to economics and business than we saw under the Sagittarian influence. The inflated (Sag) bonuses for CEOs that we saw in recent years are likely a sign of the past as businesses and corporations become more concerned with Capricornian fundamentals than with Sagittarian appearance and image. Capricorn is essentially practical and prizes achievement above all else, which means achievement of real goals and objectives. Although Pluto in Capricorn will bring out secrets (Pluto) of governments and other political entities (Cap), there will be an increased focus on proficiency, skill, and a successful outcome rather than spin and propaganda of the Sagittarian era.
I don't know about you, but all of that sounds to me like a great improvement and to which I am looking forward!
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| canislatrans
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11/30/2008 11:31 PM
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| InfiniTcell
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11/30/2008 11:34 PM | | Wasayo nli
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11/30/2008 11:43 PM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
Hi there InfiniTcell and everyone!
Wow, I just found this old thread of mine from April... resurrected, re-born, lol!
How timely it is ~ since Pluto re-entered Capricorn on 27 November 2008. Pluto in Cappy is going to be with us for a very long time... and we already see its ravages all around us.
Hopefully tomorrow I'll get back to most of you (not the trolls) and answer your questions.
It's an honor to have Van Helsing on this thread too, because he is an excellent mundane astrologer.
Blessings to all,
Wasayo |
| InfiniTcell
User ID: 563326
11/30/2008 11:55 PM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
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Pluto is in Sagittarius.
Hi there InfiniTcell and everyone!
Wow, I just found this old thread of mine from April... resurrected, re-born, lol!
How timely it is ~ since Pluto re-entered Capricorn on 27 November 2008. Pluto in Cappy is going to be with us for a very long time... and we already see its ravages all around us.
Hopefully tomorrow I'll get back to most of you (not the trolls) and answer your questions.
It's an honor to have Van Helsing on this thread too, because he is an excellent mundane astrologer.
Blessings to all,
Wasayo
Since Pluto can only be seen from fully dark skys with a pretty nice telescope, there will be no way for most of us to empirically verify its placement. However, the data/facts/empirical observation will show that Pluto is, in fact, in the constellation Sagittarius at this moment and will be so for quite some time, as it had just entered Sagittarius not long ago.
The astrology that says that it is in Capricorn, the Tropical zodiac, is, well, incorrect being based on a calendar tied system that was more or less correct a while ago, but, the heavens shift over the ages with precession and whatnot. So, uh, keep on on trucking. Peace and Love to all!
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oh, and btw, the age of Aquarius is about 600 years off.
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we are in the age of Pisces.
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| loosecannon
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11/30/2008 11:56 PM
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For me:
Pluto also quintiles my rising sign which is Capricorn. Quoting: *Vishuz
Pluto now conjuncts your rising sign. Be prepared for fundamental change regarding your destiny and purpose. |
| loosecannon
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12/1/2008 12:02 AM
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[ link to fourmilab.ch]
Pluto is in Sagittarius.
Hi there InfiniTcell and everyone!
Wow, I just found this old thread of mine from April... resurrected, re-born, lol!
How timely it is ~ since Pluto re-entered Capricorn on 27 November 2008. Pluto in Cappy is going to be with us for a very long time... and we already see its ravages all around us.
Hopefully tomorrow I'll get back to most of you (not the trolls) and answer your questions.
It's an honor to have Van Helsing on this thread too, because he is an excellent mundane astrologer.
Blessings to all,
Wasayo
Since Pluto can only be seen from fully dark skys with a pretty nice telescope, there will be no way for most of us to empirically verify its placement. However, the data/facts/empirical observation will show that Pluto is, in fact, in the constellation Sagittarius at this moment and will be so for quite some time, as it had just entered Sagittarius not long ago.
The astrology that says that it is in Capricorn, the Tropical zodiac, is, well, incorrect being based on a calendar tied system that was more or less correct a while ago, but, the heavens shift over the ages with precession and whatnot. So, uh, keep on on trucking. Peace and Love to all!
[ link to www.geocities.com]
[ link to www.geocities.com]
[ link to www.geocities.com]
oh, and btw, the age of Aquarius is about 600 years off.
[ link to www.geocities.com]
we are in the age of Pisces.
[ link to www.geocities.com]
please elaborate in further detail.
You are proposing that a calendar discrepency invalidates not only the newtonian based ephemeris but our definitions of the astrological segments and their boundaries.
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| InfiniTcell
User ID: 563326
12/1/2008 12:11 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
[ link to fourmilab.ch]
Pluto is in Sagittarius.
Hi there InfiniTcell and everyone!
Wow, I just found this old thread of mine from April... resurrected, re-born, lol!
How timely it is ~ since Pluto re-entered Capricorn on 27 November 2008. Pluto in Cappy is going to be with us for a very long time... and we already see its ravages all around us.
Hopefully tomorrow I'll get back to most of you (not the trolls) and answer your questions.
It's an honor to have Van Helsing on this thread too, because he is an excellent mundane astrologer.
Blessings to all,
Wasayo
Since Pluto can only be seen from fully dark skys with a pretty nice telescope, there will be no way for most of us to empirically verify its placement. However, the data/facts/empirical observation will show that Pluto is, in fact, in the constellation Sagittarius at this moment and will be so for quite some time, as it had just entered Sagittarius not long ago.
The astrology that says that it is in Capricorn, the Tropical zodiac, is, well, incorrect being based on a calendar tied system that was more or less correct a while ago, but, the heavens shift over the ages with precession and whatnot. So, uh, keep on on trucking. Peace and Love to all!
[ link to www.geocities.com]
[ link to www.geocities.com]
[ link to www.geocities.com]
oh, and btw, the age of Aquarius is about 600 years off.
[ link to www.geocities.com]
we are in the age of Pisces.
[ link to www.geocities.com]
please elaborate in further detail.
You are proposing that a calendar discrepency invalidates not only the newtonian based ephemeris but our definitions of the astrological segments and their boundaries.
Cop!
Eh? Newtonian mechanics plays very well into all this, being that is what is the foundation for the fact that the Tropical zodiac is off.
If you would read the links, then it would become clear to you. But, why should I re-hash what has already been said?
The current, Tropical system of astrology, the one where there are 12 signs, where each constellation has an equal portion of time, is incorrect in at least two places. One, the constellations have varying sizes, therefore, 12 equal portions of time for the constellations cannot possibly be true. Two, the placement in time that these constellations have is off, and this is due to the earth's precession.
A long time ago, like in the B.C. times, the constellations aligned more appropriately, and the 13th constellation, Ophiuchus didn't have any planets passing through it. But, now, the planets do pass through it.
Example, conventional astrology will place the beginning of Capricorn at 22 Dec., for the sun's "movement" through the sky. However, when we go to observe the constellation and the sun, we will find that the sun enters Capricorn around the 19th of January. Consequently, when trying to determine the placement of Pluto using the Tropical, or conventional system of astrology, it's going to be off. There is an astrological concept called "movement of the ages", this is where the vernal equinox point shifts over time due to the fact the earth is not perfectly spherical and will precess. The constellations begin and end based on this vernal equinox position. The vernal equinox position varies, so, too, then will the beginning of the constellations. Please read this link!
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Therefore, in the future, the constellation beginning and end times will be different then they are now, for any particular planet.
The reason why the conventional/Tropical zodiac is off, is because its vernal equinox point is tied to a time/position from thousands of years ago. Things have changed, or rather evolved since then.
Please read the links. And I will be happy to discuss.
I can see that your attachment is, uhm, calling me a cop. I have no copper badge, nor am I a member of any other law enforcement organization. I simply seek to elucidate matters by showing what I have learned/found, and if anyone can prove me wrong, using logic, data, empirical evidence, I'll be happy to reconsider. |
| Wasayo nli
User ID: 39851
12/1/2008 1:40 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
[ link to fourmilab.ch]
Pluto is in Sagittarius.
Hi there InfiniTcell and everyone!
Wow, I just found this old thread of mine from April... resurrected, re-born, lol!
How timely it is ~ since Pluto re-entered Capricorn on 27 November 2008. Pluto in Cappy is going to be with us for a very long time... and we already see its ravages all around us.
Hopefully tomorrow I'll get back to most of you (not the trolls) and answer your questions.
It's an honor to have Van Helsing on this thread too, because he is an excellent mundane astrologer.
Blessings to all,
Wasayo
Since Pluto can only be seen from fully dark skys with a pretty nice telescope, there will be no way for most of us to empirically verify its placement. However, the data/facts/empirical observation will show that Pluto is, in fact, in the constellation Sagittarius at this moment and will be so for quite some time, as it had just entered Sagittarius not long ago.
The astrology that says that it is in Capricorn, the Tropical zodiac, is, well, incorrect being based on a calendar tied system that was more or less correct a while ago, but, the heavens shift over the ages with precession and whatnot. So, uh, keep on on trucking. Peace and Love to all!
[ link to www.geocities.com]
[ link to www.geocities.com]
[ link to www.geocities.com]
oh, and btw, the age of Aquarius is about 600 years off.
[ link to www.geocities.com]
we are in the age of Pisces.
[ link to www.geocities.com]
Well, InfiniTcell,
It seems your purpose on this thread is to trash astrology... especially Tropical Astrology. Sidereal and Vedic Astrology no doubt fit into your "troll it" plan as well.
This being the case, it stops all discussion.
I'm outta here ~ I'm no longer on this hijacked thread.
Wasayo |
| 36burrows
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12/1/2008 2:16 AM
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| Anonymous Coward
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12/1/2008 2:43 AM | | acolyte nli
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12/1/2008 2:53 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
for Wasayo :) |
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