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| InfiniTcell
User ID: 563481
12/1/2008 8:29 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
[ link to fourmilab.ch]
Pluto is in Sagittarius.
Hi there InfiniTcell and everyone!
Wow, I just found this old thread of mine from April... resurrected, re-born, lol!
How timely it is ~ since Pluto re-entered Capricorn on 27 November 2008. Pluto in Cappy is going to be with us for a very long time... and we already see its ravages all around us.
Hopefully tomorrow I'll get back to most of you (not the trolls) and answer your questions.
It's an honor to have Van Helsing on this thread too, because he is an excellent mundane astrologer.
Blessings to all,
Wasayo
Since Pluto can only be seen from fully dark skys with a pretty nice telescope, there will be no way for most of us to empirically verify its placement. However, the data/facts/empirical observation will show that Pluto is, in fact, in the constellation Sagittarius at this moment and will be so for quite some time, as it had just entered Sagittarius not long ago.
The astrology that says that it is in Capricorn, the Tropical zodiac, is, well, incorrect being based on a calendar tied system that was more or less correct a while ago, but, the heavens shift over the ages with precession and whatnot. So, uh, keep on on trucking. Peace and Love to all!
[ link to www.geocities.com]
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oh, and btw, the age of Aquarius is about 600 years off.
[ link to www.geocities.com]
we are in the age of Pisces.
[ link to www.geocities.com]
Well, InfiniTcell,
It seems your purpose on this thread is to trash astrology... especially Tropical Astrology. Sidereal and Vedic Astrology no doubt fit into your "troll it" plan as well.
This being the case, it stops all discussion.
I'm outta here ~ I'm no longer on this hijacked thread.
Wasayo
Assumptions, assumptions =). I like astrology very much. It is even better when it is accurate and based on observational and empirical information. Sidereal is quite a bit more accurate, but has a few small 'issues'.
It's a shame that op will not acknowledge the points I raise.
I wonder why that is.
My purpose is only to enlighten.
The universe is a harmony of vibrations of energy. The stars, the constellations all play into it.
The sun was in the constellation Virgo when I was born (Oct. 1), though Tropical astrology will say that I was born a Libra. I can say that Virgo fits much better.
The burning question would be, how would Pluto in Sagittarius be?
I can imagine people putting in a lot of time and effort into a certain way of thinking/seeing/believing. I can understand OPs dilemma, but to me, it simply looks like a lack of willingness to change perspective.
If, expressing what I know to be true is trolling, then so be it, I am trolling. However, troll has such negative connotations that I don't appreciate it much. Looks like I will think 72 times before I disagree with someone, no matter how much evidence I have to back up my position! =)
I merely started by stating the facts as I have found them to be. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd be more than happy to take a look in that new way. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 476538
12/1/2008 9:02 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
[ link to fourmilab.ch]
Pluto is in Sagittarius.
Hi there InfiniTcell and everyone!
Wow, I just found this old thread of mine from April... resurrected, re-born, lol!
How timely it is ~ since Pluto re-entered Capricorn on 27 November 2008. Pluto in Cappy is going to be with us for a very long time... and we already see its ravages all around us.
Hopefully tomorrow I'll get back to most of you (not the trolls) and answer your questions.
It's an honor to have Van Helsing on this thread too, because he is an excellent mundane astrologer.
Blessings to all,
Wasayo
Since Pluto can only be seen from fully dark skys with a pretty nice telescope, there will be no way for most of us to empirically verify its placement. However, the data/facts/empirical observation will show that Pluto is, in fact, in the constellation Sagittarius at this moment and will be so for quite some time, as it had just entered Sagittarius not long ago.
The astrology that says that it is in Capricorn, the Tropical zodiac, is, well, incorrect being based on a calendar tied system that was more or less correct a while ago, but, the heavens shift over the ages with precession and whatnot. So, uh, keep on on trucking. Peace and Love to all!
[ link to www.geocities.com]
[ link to www.geocities.com]
[ link to www.geocities.com]
oh, and btw, the age of Aquarius is about 600 years off.
[ link to www.geocities.com]
we are in the age of Pisces.
[ link to www.geocities.com]
Well, InfiniTcell,
It seems your purpose on this thread is to trash astrology... especially Tropical Astrology. Sidereal and Vedic Astrology no doubt fit into your "troll it" plan as well.
This being the case, it stops all discussion.
I'm outta here ~ I'm no longer on this hijacked thread.
Wasayo
Assumptions, assumptions =). I like astrology very much. It is even better when it is accurate and based on observational and empirical information. Sidereal is quite a bit more accurate, but has a few small 'issues'.
It's a shame that op will not acknowledge the points I raise.
I wonder why that is.
My purpose is only to enlighten.
The universe is a harmony of vibrations of energy. The stars, the constellations all play into it.
The sun was in the constellation Virgo when I was born (Oct. 1), though Tropical astrology will say that I was born a Libra. I can say that Virgo fits much better.
The burning question would be, how would Pluto in Sagittarius be?
I can imagine people putting in a lot of time and effort into a certain way of thinking/seeing/believing. I can understand OPs dilemma, but to me, it simply looks like a lack of willingness to change perspective.
If, expressing what I know to be true is trolling, then so be it, I am trolling. However, troll has such negative connotations that I don't appreciate it much. Looks like I will think 72 times before I disagree with someone, no matter how much evidence I have to back up my position! =)
I merely started by stating the facts as I have found them to be. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd be more than happy to take a look in that new way.
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| martina
User ID: 425683
12/1/2008 9:37 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
good morning wasayo.
do you utilize any programs such as stellarium
in your work?
when progressing the dates of pluto I am seeing
that it actually enters capricorn around 2027-2028.
thanks in advance for helping me to see how you
are getting 2008.
Love,
martina |
| Wasayo nli
User ID: 559152
12/1/2008 10:03 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
good morning wasayo.
do you utilize any programs such as stellarium
in your work?
when progressing the dates of pluto I am seeing
that it actually enters capricorn around 2027-2028.
thanks in advance for helping me to see how you
are getting 2008.
Love,
martina Quoting: martina 425683
Dear Martina,
I am off this thread... but I do choose to come back to address your question. What I don't want to do ~ and do not have time to do ~ is to get into a dogfight about astrology.
Truly, it does not matter if anyone "believes" in astrology or not. If it works for you, fine. If not, leave it behind. It's a matter of personal choice.
Stellarium is an excellent astronomy program, and I highly recommend it.
Astronomy and astrology have become quite separate, for hundreds of years, since the advent of science has diverged what was once one cosmic study into two distinct areas of thought.
Everyone knows that we do not know exactly what point in Time we are actually at ~ and according to which calendar. The counting of Time is the essential problem ~ in any system of astrology or astronomy.
As to astrology, there are many systems in use ~ Tropical, Sidereal, Vedic, Chinese... for example. Which system, if any, one chooses is strictly personal ~ up to your own area of particular interest.
As I said, I do not wish to get into any discussion arguing the validity of astrology (or not)... science v. astrology... astronomy v. astrology, etc., etc. That is what this thread has turned into. People can research this on their own, if they wanna.
As for me, I am a Tropical Astrologer and I well know that the Precession of the Equinoxes does not match the Tropical ecliptic. There are variations thereof as to Sidereal astrology as well. Then, again, you could count in the Mayan calendar... and its correlation to the Western Gregorian and Julian calendars. To argue any of this is endless, and it doesn't matter anyway. We simply do not know where we are in cosmic time ~ what "Age" we are in... Pisces, Aquarius, whatever.
Again, to answer your question, as for me, I have been a professional astrologer since 1971, and I use Tropical astrology in my practice. The software I use is Kepler 7.0.
I don't know if this answers any of your questions, Martina... but maybe it's a start.
Researching all of this might prove interesting to you. Also, you might wish to take a look at the Astrodienst astrologers forum at [link to www.astro.com] (click on "forum"). Sincerely, Wasayo |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 563519
12/1/2008 10:06 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
How dare you question the famous asstrilogist WASUPYOURS
wow Ahim-sa you're a flaming retard |
| Ahim-sa 
akashic adventurist
User ID: 416873
12/1/2008 10:18 AM
 | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
Yo, infiniTcell.
I don't pretend to know enough about astrology to contribute anything further to what you have said. I do know when I see astrology being used to fit an agenda.
And I do know the OP well enough to say that no matter how much evidence or truth you may care to pile up before her , since she cannot refute it she will simply call it 'trolling' and run away.
Her initial suck-up to you and then the sudden reversal is textbook Wasayo behavior.
Interesting take you have there. I'd like to hear more of your insight.
shift happens |
| Ahim-sa
akashic adventurist
User ID: 416873
12/1/2008 10:20 AM
| | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
How dare you question the famous asstrilogist WASUPYOURS
wow Ahim-sa you're a flaming retard
Look who's the tard.
It wasn't me.
Nice fail. :o)
I ain't the only one who can spot a phoney.
shift happens |
| martina
User ID: 425683
12/1/2008 10:26 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
Wasayo,
Thank you so much for taking the time to
reply to my question.
I wonder too about all the differences between
astrology and astronomy-makes me think of these
words, "as above, so below".
Also, thank you for the link to the forum I will
use that!
endless blessings,
martina |
| Geogal (nli)
User ID: 373387
12/1/2008 10:31 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008-2023
Although Pluto is a small planet (in fact, it is now classified as a dwarf planet) it packs a powerful punch. Pluto represents death and endings and the breakdown of the structures in our life that are required in order to bring transformation and fresh beginnings. Pluto brings us face to face with the ultimate reality of life and, watching over us like a shamanic guardian, destroys whatever stands in the way of our soul's ultimate destination.
Pluto's passage through the signs brings with it a compulsive fascination in the issues denoted by that sign. He ruthlessly exposes the darkness that lies at the core of the sign's archetypes and, destroying the old order, demands that we rebuild on the ashes of the old. Like the Phoenix bird with which it is associated, Pluto dies and is regenerated to begin anew. Quoting: Wasayo
Thanks, Wasayo! Explains a lot going on lately! LMAO! |
| ListenUp
User ID: 554626
12/1/2008 10:34 AM
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My Pluto is going into the 12th house...
With Pluto in the Twelfth House opportunities for transforming or regenerating yourself may come through a preoccupation with the subconscious mind and spiritual evolution. You are likely to become secretive, reclusive and withdrawn, given to meditation and study. The more profound areas of life are investigated through subjects such as psychology, mysticism, metaphysics religion and the occult
This is a GREAT SITE for Astroloy...
Astrology Weekly
[link to www.astrologyweekly.com]
Also always look to both Pluto and then Neptune...
When I also have Neptune transits the 12th house... I became a HERMIT... and just styed in meditaiton for 6 to 7 hour a day for about 5 years... I had so many SECRETS of the Universe revealed... Look at your chart.. when this transit happens you will CHANGE your whole life.... some people will not in this life time have that transit.
Neptune in the 12th - Neptune in the twelfth house
Neptune in the Twelfth House may indicate that your imaginative and spiritual potential will manifest through an inner need for spiritual knowledge. This position gives a link to subconscious and psychic forces - you are likely to become involved with psychical research and occult investigations. Perhaps through secret, secluded and quiet methods, spiritual wisdom could be achieved. At times you may suffer from vague fears, weird apprehension and secret sorrows. |
| ListenUp
User ID: 554626
12/1/2008 10:39 AM
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Smile |
| *Jude*
User ID: 77394
12/1/2008 10:47 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
Nice cut and paste wassie...
We need a reason for speaking; we need none for keeping silent.
Pierre Nicole |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 563377
12/1/2008 11:49 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
pluto is brand new in astrological terms, how can anyone pretend to know so much about it, is just pure BS
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| Wasayo nli
User ID: 20314
12/1/2008 11:57 AM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
Well, my trolls and attackers from Divinity's lightworkers thread are here ~ Ahim-sa and Jude.
I did cut & paste the original article, Jude. This is what people do in the main forum at GLP to start a topic.
The other comments by me are exactly that... my own words. Wasayo |
| Wasayo
User ID: 20314
12/1/2008 12:02 PM
 | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
My Pluto is going into the 12th house...
With Pluto in the Twelfth House opportunities for transforming or regenerating yourself may come through a preoccupation with the subconscious mind and spiritual evolution. You are likely to become secretive, reclusive and withdrawn, given to meditation and study. The more profound areas of life are investigated through subjects such as psychology, mysticism, metaphysics religion and the occult
This is a GREAT SITE for Astroloy...
Astrology Weekly
[ link to www.astrologyweekly.com]
Dear ListenUp,
I really appreciate your comments about transiting Pluto and transiting Neptune through the 12th house.
These are amazing and remarkable transits... for people like you, who are willing to meditate and go within. Tremendous spiritual and personal growth are at your fingertips at those precious times.
And yes, for sure... Astrology Weekly has fantastic info on its site, and it's one of my favorites too. Blessings, Wasayo
"Every word of God is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him." Prov. 30:5 |
| Wasayo
User ID: 20314
12/1/2008 12:06 PM
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PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008-2023
Although Pluto is a small planet (in fact, it is now classified as a dwarf planet) it packs a powerful punch. Pluto represents death and endings and the breakdown of the structures in our life that are required in order to bring transformation and fresh beginnings. Pluto brings us face to face with the ultimate reality of life and, watching over us like a shamanic guardian, destroys whatever stands in the way of our soul's ultimate destination.
Pluto's passage through the signs brings with it a compulsive fascination in the issues denoted by that sign. He ruthlessly exposes the darkness that lies at the core of the sign's archetypes and, destroying the old order, demands that we rebuild on the ashes of the old. Like the Phoenix bird with which it is associated, Pluto dies and is regenerated to begin anew.
Thanks, Wasayo! Explains a lot going on lately! LMAO! Quoting: Geogal (nli) 373387
Hi, Geogal!
You could say that Pluto in Capricorn is gonna act like... Pele! Pluto's mode of action is always volcanic, heh heh... xoxoxoxoxo Wasayo
"Every word of God is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him." Prov. 30:5 |
| Darza
User ID: 378572
12/1/2008 12:22 PM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
[ link to www.astrodynamics.net]
Nice cut and paste wassie...
Well, my trolls and attackers from Divinity's lightworkers thread are here ~ Ahim-sa and Jude.
I did cut & paste the original article, Jude. This is what people do in the main forum at GLP to start a topic.
The other comments by me are exactly that... my own words. Wasayo
And it was posted 28 April!! We are seeing it all unfold now. |
| idol_harobed
User ID: 297864
12/1/2008 12:25 PM
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  <---Astrologer
I am what I read. |
| Ahim-sa
akashic adventurist
User ID: 416873
12/1/2008 12:26 PM
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Well, my trolls and attackers from Divinity's lightworkers thread are here ~ Ahim-sa and Jude. Quoting: Wasayo nli 20314
Just as I predicted earlier, folks. She can't even make a feeble attempt to refute the opposing views that have been raised concerning her personal brand of astrology.
All she can ever do is hurl the label troll around and hope no one else notices that she has no other leg to stand on.
Prove me wrong for once, W.
Give us a reason why your version of Pluto's significance is correct and the one expressed by Infini is wrong.
Cat got your tongue?
shift happens |
| Darza
User ID: 378572
12/1/2008 12:36 PM | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
Well, my trolls and attackers from Divinity's lightworkers thread are here ~ Ahim-sa and Jude.
Just as I predicted earlier, folks. She can't even make a feeble attempt to refute the opposing views that have been raised concerning her personal brand of astrology.
All she can ever do is hurl the label troll around and hope no one else notices that she has no other leg to stand on.
Prove me wrong for once, W.
Give us a reason why your version of Pluto's significance is correct and the one expressed by Infini is wrong. Quoting: Ahim-sa
Wasayo nor anyone is under no obligation to answer any questions. Why do you not post your version and let everybody decide for themselves?
I have seen you troll Wasayo many times, so i doubt she is ever going to answer to anything you post. |
| idol_harobed
User ID: 297864
12/1/2008 12:37 PM
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Astrology served a function at one time of allowing a self-styled elite to have influence over large numbers of people.
Astrology is a deception that both gives people false hope and removes from us some sense of being in control of ourselves. By implying that our actions are determined by the planets, it removes the incentive for people to take responsibility for their own lives. The committed horoscope believers can shrug their shoulders when asked to account for their actions and say “it was in the stars”.
Astrology is a relic of past ignorance. Humans and human behaviour is immensely complex. It is no crime to invent a story that helps us to try to understand such complexity. It is a crime, or at least a great shame, that when the old story is found to be wrong, the new knowledge is not taken up. I´m told that an Open University survey showed that 70% of the respondents didn´t know that the Earth orbited the Sun and didn’t know the difference between a planet and a star. Astrology is doing the public a great disservice by thrusting a pretence on them when there is so much real knowledge to be had.
Astrology is a set of arbitrary rules virtually disconnected from all other knowledge we have. Yet it claims to deal with the same objects that modern knowledge deals with. Basically, either modern knowledge is wrong or astrology is wrong. I know where my money is going.
Astrology is not a useful theory of knowledge. A useful theory allows you to test whether the theory itself is right or wrong and will make predictions that can be tested. If the predictions are found wrong then a useful theory will have to adapt and evolve. Astrology scarcely evolves or adapts, in spite of evidence that it fails.
Finally, you might like to ponder one faction´s view that astrology keeps the population naïve. Its message is that we, the astrologers, know what´s happening. You don’t. Listen to us. Believe us. In any case, you’ll never achieve total control of your life because control lies in the stars and planets. This of course is the get-out for the astrologers when they give demonstrably wrong advice.
The fault, Dear Brutus, lies not in ourselves but in our stars. Astrology served a function at one time of allowing a self-styled elite to have influence over large numbers of people. It’s time that we as an educated population with critical faculties threw astrology into the wastepaper basket of ideas that have passed their time. Knowledge should be about empowerment. Let the people use it. We want columns in the tabloids on astronomy and real knowledge, not on astrology.
[link to 72.14.207.104]
astrology.doc+astrology+is+wrong&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
I am what I read. |
| Ahim-sa
akashic adventurist
User ID: 416873
12/1/2008 12:42 PM
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Can't speak for herself so now we get Darza the dutch dufus instead.
Don't spoze you could tell the folks why my questions are trolling but yours aren't.
You needle and pick, pick, pick at people constantly to try to draw them into your nonsense version of reality.
Suggest you go meditate and come up with something new and less obvious.
edit:
Thanks for the input Idol. Long time no see :O)
shift happens |
| Wasayo
User ID: 20314
12/1/2008 12:50 PM
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Well, my trolls and attackers from Divinity's lightworkers thread are here ~ Ahim-sa and Jude.
Just as I predicted earlier, folks. She can't even make a feeble attempt to refute the opposing views that have been raised concerning her personal brand of astrology.
All she can ever do is hurl the label troll around and hope no one else notices that she has no other leg to stand on.
Prove me wrong for once, W.
Give us a reason why your version of Pluto's significance is correct and the one expressed by Infini is wrong.
Cat got your tongue? Quoting: Ahim-sa
Ahim-sa,
You are so busy being my relentless troll that you are not hearing what I said.
I have NO wish to *refute the opposing position* and I do not want to waste my time *proving you wrong for once*.
I do not want to fight. I do not want to get into a dogfight about astrology. This is my right not to engage in such. My goal is to try to help people ~ not to fight or *refute* you or InfiniTcell.
I have heard all these *arguments* before. Every practising astrologer has. I'm sure Van Helsing would tell you the same, for example.
Besides, as you say in your own words, you know nothing about astrology... except that you judge me as phoney.
So, how is it possible to argue, fight... or even have any kind of a discussion or communication with you?
For those who are sincerely here, I am very busy today ~ but I will stop in when I can... for you.
I will not fight or *refute* or *prove*.
I will "read", "interpret" and share.
For those who are interested in refuting or in what Ahim-sa and InfiniTcell have to say, please do your own research.
I said all I am going to say regarding this in my reply to dear Martina. Wasayo
"Every word of God is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him." Prov. 30:5 |
| Ahim-sa
akashic adventurist
User ID: 416873
12/1/2008 12:58 PM
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Doesn't matter whether it's astrology or whatever, Wasayo.
You make outrageous statements, you judge people, and even willfully hurt them just to make yourself appear wise and then duck behind your beloved troll label when presented with an opposinng point of view.
Your reputation on GLP is well established and well known, my love.
shift happens |
| Wasayo
User ID: 20314
12/1/2008 12:59 PM
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Thank you for your input, Idol Harobed. I appreciate it.
However, astrology does not say the stars and signs FORCE anyone to do or be anything. The stars do not control you... nor do astrologers. The stars do not compel.
In my lifetime I have known psychics who try to create dependencies in their clientele, for financial reasons. Personally, I am not like that ~ not as a psychic and not as an astrologer.
Opposing views to astrology here are appreciated ~ but it is my personal choice not to engage in a dogfight to prove or disprove astrology.
Take what you want and leave the rest... or take none at all. As Yolgnu says, "Your choice, their choice, my choice". Blessings, Wasayo
"Every word of God is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him." Prov. 30:5 |
| S.
User ID: 557634
12/1/2008 1:09 PM
 | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
Astrology served a function at one time of allowing a self-styled elite to have influence over large numbers of people.
Astrology is a deception that both gives people false hope and removes from us some sense of being in control of ourselves. By implying that our actions are determined by the planets, it removes the incentive for people to take responsibility for their own lives. The committed horoscope believers can shrug their shoulders when asked to account for their actions and say “it was in the stars”.
Astrology is a relic of past ignorance. Humans and human behaviour is immensely complex. It is no crime to invent a story that helps us to try to understand such complexity. It is a crime, or at least a great shame, that when the old story is found to be wrong, the new knowledge is not taken up. I´m told that an Open University survey showed that 70% of the respondents didn´t know that the Earth orbited the Sun and didn’t know the difference between a planet and a star. Astrology is doing the public a great disservice by thrusting a pretence on them when there is so much real knowledge to be had.
Astrology is a set of arbitrary rules virtually disconnected from all other knowledge we have. Yet it claims to deal with the same objects that modern knowledge deals with. Basically, either modern knowledge is wrong or astrology is wrong. I know where my money is going.
Astrology is not a useful theory of knowledge. A useful theory allows you to test whether the theory itself is right or wrong and will make predictions that can be tested. If the predictions are found wrong then a useful theory will have to adapt and evolve. Astrology scarcely evolves or adapts, in spite of evidence that it fails.
Finally, you might like to ponder one faction´s view that astrology keeps the population naïve. Its message is that we, the astrologers, know what´s happening. You don’t. Listen to us. Believe us. In any case, you’ll never achieve total control of your life because control lies in the stars and planets. This of course is the get-out for the astrologers when they give demonstrably wrong advice.
The fault, Dear Brutus, lies not in ourselves but in our stars. Astrology served a function at one time of allowing a self-styled elite to have influence over large numbers of people. It’s time that we as an educated population with critical faculties threw astrology into the wastepaper basket of ideas that have passed their time. Knowledge should be about empowerment. Let the people use it. We want columns in the tabloids on astronomy and real knowledge, not on astrology.
[ link to 72.14.207.104]
astrology.doc+astrology+is+wrong&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Wow!
I loke to read my horoscope, unless I feel it's not going to be good. LOL
The stars and planets may reveal a map of sorts; kinda like a generic travel guide, but if one tends to follow the map and not take detours along the way, then it is a travel experience dictated by some stranger and not by your own inner guide. Therefore, use the map instead of letting it use you.
S.
No matter how many cookies you consult, you will find that love is our greatest fortune. ~ Leigh Standley |
| idol_harobed
User ID: 297864
12/1/2008 1:13 PM
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The stars and planets may reveal a map of sorts; kinda like a generic travel guide, but if one tends to follow the map and not take detours along the way, then it is a travel experience dictated by some stranger and not by your own inner guide. Therefore, use the map instead of letting it use you.
S. Quoting: S.
Even the role of a map/guide requires scientific validation.
I am what I read. |
| idol_harobed
User ID: 297864
12/1/2008 1:15 PM
| | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
However, astrology does not say the stars and signs FORCE anyone to do or be anything. The stars do not control you... nor do astrologers. The stars do not compel. Quoting: Wasayo
What is astrology about then?
I am what I read. |
| S.
User ID: 557634
12/1/2008 1:20 PM
| | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
The stars and planets may reveal a map of sorts; kinda like a generic travel guide, but if one tends to follow the map and not take detours along the way, then it is a travel experience dictated by some stranger and not by your own inner guide. Therefore, use the map instead of letting it use you.
S.
Even the role of a map/guide requires scientific validation. Quoting: idol_harobed
Very true! Got me!
I wonder, then, if I see myself "fit" with my astrological sign, do you suppose it more of a self-fulfilling prophecy? In other words, do I simply read into it what I want to hear?
What do you think about the archetypes? I think there are twelve. Do they in general reveal a basic human "type" and/or role we play in life?
Thanks, Idol!
No matter how many cookies you consult, you will find that love is our greatest fortune. ~ Leigh Standley |
| TexLittlefield
User ID: 515913
12/1/2008 1:30 PM
 | | Re: Astrology ~ PLUTO IN CAPRICORN ~ 2008 - 2023 | Quote |
Astrology served a function at one time of allowing a self-styled elite to have influence over large numbers of people. Quoting: idol_harobed
Couldn't the same definition be used of "kardesim"?
BTW: Idol , your old email doesn't function.
  
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