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The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane?

 
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Chris was abducted in a cargo van," she said. "He was driven around Minneapolis for hours and tortured

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they operate out of wisconsin
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They do training in clarksville tennesee where jessiah jameson drowned.This is where the commercial units are made


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Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane?
Interesting theory. Trane has a huge facility in LaCrosse, WI.

I would like to see if there were timely service calls to the areas where the drownings occurred.
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Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane?
i have been following drowning incidents for a long time.my original post from a long time ago is gone and my old computer does not function.jameson was said by some to have got into a van.It was assumed it was a taxi.I believe others are traveling with the technician and also helping him with his work.possibly 2 girls.at a girls website she calls herself the happy face killer and where it says location -she put in your ventilation system.
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also there is something else that ties some of them together and that is a skull and stars.At the girl's website she has a skull with an x like is seen on one of the happy faces at the scene of the crime .jameson may have all ready knew the killer as he has a skull with stars at his myspace
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Amazing "coincidence" you'd mention Trane.

I was driving today back from a meeting. Went by Trane's rather large facility in White Bear Lake, MN. Never been by their facility before, ever to my recollection and I've lived in the area my entire life.

Why do you mention Trane?
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Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane?
Interesting theory. Trane has a huge facility in LaCrosse, WI.

I would like to see if there were timely service calls to the areas where the drownings occurred.
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I'm thinking these drownings are a result of the killers befriending their victims who get in their vehicle, not knowing it will be their last ride. How very, very sad.
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It looks to me like the drownings(killings) started in LaCrosse. A string of them. To continue the speculation: Perhaps this is where the technique was perfected. Some Trane tech. was working at the LaCrosse facility for a few years and made a series of kills. Then, as he/she gained seniority and experience, he started traveling to outside locations on service calls. Trane is big and has equipment all over the country and especially strong here in the upper Midwest.

I don't know though, because most of the reports indicate a lack of foul play. So how does someone kidnap a grown man, and kill him without any signs of foul play? Unless the police reports are lies, I can't figure that part out.

Hey Eric, is the Trane in White Bear in that industrial park up off of White Bear Pkwy., north of 96?

An thanks for the compliment on the avatar, AC, I picked that one out from the GLP libraries.
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Yes, that's the area where the Trane facility is. North of 96 near 35E.

Perhaps they were shocked with a taser or one of those handheld shock devices. That wouldn't leave any traces.

To my rational mind it seems a bizarre coincidence regarding Trane, except in the real world with a Sovereign God in control, there is no such thing as coincidence.
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I am very interested in this line of inquiry. Six of the 'smiley face' victims disappeared in La Crosse - former headquarters of Trane. There is the Clarkville connection with Jessiah Jameson. There is a young man (handsome, smart, popular) who disappeared from Middlebury College in Middlebury Vermont February 5th - he'd been drinking with friends, then simply vanished with no trace. His body has not yet been found but there is reason to believe he is in the nearby Otter Creek. His name is Nick Garza.

According to their client list, Trane has an active contract with Middlebury College.

Does anyone have any new information connecting Trane to the 'smiley face' story? What lead to the initial poster's theory formation? Who are the "girls" mentioned in the smiley face/ventilation post?

The idea of a female killer interests me for this case. These are strapping young men with high pain tolerance due to intoxication. It would be nearly impossible for an average person to overpower and kill them. And indeed, it seems further unlikely as there are no signs of struggle, restraint, or trauma on the victims bodies. It seems like the killer must have the element of surprise/affinity on their side. A female killer?

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their global enery systems operates out of lacrosse.many drownings took place where the cities are part of the ccp-cities for climate protection or there is another link to trane.which means if they were to install energy efficient equipment then they might use their services.A lot of drownings were in chicago for instance and chicago is part of the ccp.
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many of the cities are enviromentaly friendly.this would indicate that they possibly used the services of Trane's Global energy systems that is locate in Lacrosse Wi.They also tend to be members of the CCP-cities for climate protection.Then you have some other locations that also have Trane facilities
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R-22 can be used almost like a knockout gas, with some effort, but not a ton, wouldn't be too hard for someone who knows a little about HVAC to use that. Has almost a nitrious oxide effect, people do get high on it. Cargo van....victims half hammered....Jugs of refigerant not out of place for anyone in the AC biz, roll your window down a little, the other window doesn't work, open the valve and sleepy time drunken stupor land for a short while. I doubt there would be a whole lot of traces of it either.

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If the technician is working in a confined space, care should be taken to provide proper ventilation and if there is an accidental release of refrigerant, the area should be vacated. Inhaling high concentrations of refrigerant vapour can cause a feeling of intoxication and dizziness with a loss of coordination and slurred speech. Cardiac irregularities, unconsciousness,and ultimately death, can occur from breathing a high concentration of refrigerant. If a technician experiences any of these symptoms he should move or be moved to an area with fresh air and receive medical attention.

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I all readfy was able to make a middlebury connection.In fact the college has an energy efficient trane system
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I did not know about the minesota plant ..thanks.
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Eeeeewwwww did you read this from that stevenhuff.net link above?

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Naturalangel wrote:

Grown men don’t just vanish into thin air that often, but it does happen. That one soldier who disappeared was so drunk he stumbled into that air conditioning unit and his father was looking for him for days, cannot remember the town, that story comes to mind though.
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I have a question please, is this line of inquiry being pursued or mentioned anywhere else besides on GLP?
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Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane?
R-22 can be used almost like a knockout gas, with some effort, but not a ton, wouldn't be too hard for someone who knows a little about HVAC to use that. Has almost a nitrious oxide effect, people do get high on it. Cargo van....victims half hammered....Jugs of refigerant not out of place for anyone in the AC biz, roll your window down a little, the other window doesn't work, open the valve and sleepy time drunken stupor land for a short while. I doubt there would be a whole lot of traces of it either.

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If the technician is working in a confined space, care should be taken to provide proper ventilation and if there is an accidental release of refrigerant, the area should be vacated. Inhaling high concentrations of refrigerant vapour can cause a feeling of intoxication and dizziness with a loss of coordination and slurred speech. Cardiac irregularities, unconsciousness,and ultimately death, can occur from breathing a high concentration of refrigerant. If a technician experiences any of these symptoms he should move or be moved to an area with fresh air and receive medical attention.

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interesting.i was thinking drugs but i have not gave it much thought really.still have a couple cities to make the Trane link to.
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Here's the link to the main 4-page thread about the college drownings:

Thread: Serial killer(s) stalking young college men across US

for more cross connections.
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I was thinking about this guy who was found electrocuted in the utility room, do you remember that? He is covered on that "footprints at the river's edge blog", it was Wade Steffey, here's some information about how they found his body on campus after he went missing when he left a party at midnight:

Wade Steffey found
Steffey's body was found by a maintenence worker who had been called to a utility room in Owen Hall. The room, which was roughly the size of a one-car garage, housed three electrical transformers connected by high-voltage wires. The body was found near one of the transformers. According to Purdue spokesperson Jeanne Norberg, "It seems likely that Wade somehow entered the room sometime shortly after he was last seen thinking that it was a way to gain entrance to the residence hall. The utility room would have been dark, and he apparently tripped over high-voltage lines that connect the three transformers as he was trying to find his way out." The utility room has both an interior and exterior door. When the utility worker was first called to check the room, she entered using the interior door, which was locked. Police found that the outside door was unlocked.

The building had been searched thoroughly after Wade's disappearance, but campus officials could not say with any certainty that the utility room had been checked and they were uncertain of the last time a school employee had accessed the room. "The location of Wade's body inside the room would have made it difficult for anyone to see him from any of the doorways," Norberg said. Steffey was last seen talking on his cell phone around 12:30 a.m. on January 13 in front of Owen Hall, about 50 yards away from the outside entrance to the utility room. He was reported missing two days later.

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Purdue University police are investigating how Steffey was able to enter the utility room when it should have been locked. Police are examining the lock to determine if it had been tampered with or whether it was faulty. If you have any information about this case, call the Purdue University Police Department at (765) 494-8221 or the anonymous tip line at (765) 496-3784.
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Eeeeewwwww did you read this from that stevenhuff.net link above?

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Naturalangel wrote:

Grown men don’t just vanish into thin air that often, but it does happen. That one soldier who disappeared was so drunk he stumbled into that air conditioning unit and his father was looking for him for days, cannot remember the town, that story comes to mind though.
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Here's what someone else wrote in response to that, on that same stevenhuff.net page from the OP:

Leanna wrote:

The soldier mentioned earlier, that stumbled into the air conditioning vent was a 3rd ID soldier from Fort Benning, GA…but the incident happened in Savannah, GA.
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Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane?
Greetings,

I worked as a technician with the Trane Company for 8 years in the 90's. I was based out of the Trane plant near Waco Texas. I have visited LaCrosse Wisconsin many times for training, and to work on various projects. I have also been to the Trane facilities in Minneapolis, Clarksville, and Macon. Trane did have 13 manufacturing facilities in the United States however I think some of these have been sold off in the last few years. Trane also has sales offices in almost every city with populations over 100k.

The theory that this killer could be a Trane tech is very plausible. He could have started working in LaCrosse and then transferred to various facilities across the country. Getting your hands on a service van can be easy for someone who works at the company. Service vans might as well be invisible in public. No one pays attention to them unless they are trying to rob them. Also the theory of a burst of refrigerant in the face knocking you out is very plausible.

It would be interesting to know if the police know what kind of marker or paint stick was used to draw the smiley face. Tech often use various indelible markers on their jobsites.

If you have any questions about the company I will try and answer them. I left the company in 2000 but still have friends who work there. I also suggest that anyone who knows the officers working on this case tell them about this theory.

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That is interesting about the CCP. I think a lot of public institutions have been upgrading energy systems. A lot of these colleges are part of state universities, so might be part of system wide upgrades of heating/cooling systems.

Also, the R-22 as a knockout drug is very plausible. I wonder if that clears out fast enough that it doesn't show up in toxicology reports.

I am assuming that a toxicology report is done to determine if drugs or alcohol are present.

But I am mystified as to the actual means of death. If someone is clobbered over the head doesn't that show up in an autopsy. A hematoma? Yet most of these reports say no indication of foul play.
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The Mayor, thank you for your input above! I hope this thread keeps alive. Can you tell me, does Trane have a presence in Canada as well?
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I summarized the main points of this theory and sent it to the "Smiley Face" detectives, but they are probably flooded with leads since the story went national.

I only stumbled into this story because I live in Vermont and had been puzzling over the Nick Garza case. We don't have many missing persons or murders in Vermont, so the Garza case has been a big story. I stumbled into this thread doing searches on possible connections between Nick's disappearance and the 'smiley face' story. I hope I'm not being horribly rude interloping on your message board.. :(

I also forwarded this theory to the Garza family as they are frustrated with the local police and open to any and all leads. They have been working with a local psychic named Nan O'Brien, so I don't think they're the type of folks to dismiss a theory because it came from the "lunatic fringe". Any new detail anyone can provide would be great?!

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The Mayor, thank you for your input above! I hope this thread keeps alive. Can you tell me, does Trane have a presence in Canada as well?
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Trane has a huge presence in Canada including several manufacturing facilities and many sales offices.

R-22 could be used to suffocate someone in that it would replace all the oxygen in the lungs. You would pass out in a matter of seconds, and would die if you did not get oxygen. In the past techs would release refrigerant directly into the air. Since 1996 this has been illegal. But before that someone was always dumping refrigerant in an enclosed space and passing out.

LaCrosse and Minneapolis and the main training centers for Trane. People come there from all over the world for training. Trane techs have to go to one or both at least every couple of years for refresher training.

The symbol left at the dump sight is interesting. Techs will often "sign off" their work at a jobsite using a symbol that only the people they work with would know. I've left my initials in more than a few units.

Techs often head straight to their favorite watering holes right after work. That means many take their service vans with them. And techs usually work in pairs for safety. So the detectives theory that this is a group or gang of killers makes sense. It would also make it very easy to dump clues in various other sites to lead the police away from the body.

Has anyone contacted the detectives with this Trane theory?

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The alphabet soup agencies have many "front companies". Trane could be one of them.
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These are ritual murders from a "covered" gang.
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I hope I'm not being horribly rude interloping on your message board.. :(

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Hi Molly, you should interlope at GLP all you want, it's the most wide-open accessible board on the internet. If you want an official invitation to participate, here's one from me:

Welcome to GLP, Molly!

And thanks for adding to this thread, and for sending information to the detectives.

Were you searching on Nick Garza and came up with this?

Did you find the other thread about this which is five pages now? I might have put that link above here somewhere. Maybe I should keep re-posting it.
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bte, thinking IS good for you....

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'federico' mean anything?

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