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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 437460
5/22/2008 1:40 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
here is something i found
Sinsinawa Mound, Wisconsin, was the home of strange beings who occupied caverns that few dared to enter. Enchanted rivers flowed through these caves to heaven |
| Visitor - Undead Molly
User ID: 437579
5/22/2008 2:14 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Hi Ethann!
Do you have your own blog somewhere? I've been really interested in your research and have seen you get slammed by trolls on a few different message boards. If you don't have a blog, have you thought about setting one up? It only takes a few minutes and I think it might save you a lot of time and trouble.
Just a thought :)
For whatever reason, there are young men dying under mysterious circumstances. I don't understand why so many people are angrily insistent that they're all just unrelated accidental alcohol related deaths. Even if it turns out that's true, why is conjecture and "what if" such a bad thing? Why do people get so upset? Even if we are all wackos with wild imaginations, at least we're keeping the story alive and in the public eye. You know?
Even if we or Gannon and Duarte never get to the bottom of this, at least maybe a few young men will think twice about walking home alone after a night out drinking and we'll have an epidemic of nasty hangovers instead of ended young lives. |
| Budro
User ID: 437587
5/22/2008 2:29 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I'm guessing no, not a Trane employee. My guess is he is a white male 35 to 45 years old, probably a truck driver, probably bisexual. The smiley face indicates to me he works for WalMart. He would be introverted, very intelegent, probably has a military background. He is very deliberate, and has an attention for details. He would have grown up in an abusive home with a very dominate father figure, which would have been the sorce of the abuse. I would also not be suprised if there was a history of sexual abuse in his past. Right now he is leaving clues for everyone to see, that means he is confortable, relaxed and at ease. If he feels threatened or pressured, he will most likely change his methods and or stop killing untill he feels safe again. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 437498
5/22/2008 3:40 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I've been reading through lots of the comments on here . I have made it to page 5 .... and a couple things have come to mind . I have grown up in La Crosse. I have gone to churches around here for most of my life. One of the youth pastors ... in the early 90's use to lead a youth group on Wednesday evenings. I remember him talking about satanism. I was terrified about it and astounded me to know it was real and that there were people involved in organized satanic cults around here. I was pretty young then. He did mention that one of the big shots at Trane was a member along with their husband or wife.( can't remeber how it went ...I think the woman was the big shot with trane and her husband was part of the cult too. ..but am not sure . ) It made me scared because the house I was living in and had grown up in was right within blocks of several of Trane's plants and the technology center.
Another thing I thought of was that I had a neighbor once who had worked as a recruiter for Trane's tech department. He would tavel all over the US and even internationally and bring people back to the headquarters here for meetings and interviews. He had since lost his position due to alcoholism , I believe.....but he told stories of being expected to provide entertainment for the clients. He talked about finding and having women that would "escort" the clients who were on visits and also of the excursions downtown. I don't know if this still a regular practice of the technology department here . Yikes , it's not too far from my house and freaks me out to think someone there might be doing this stuff ...or know who is .. or whatever.
I really do hope too that the FBI makes the decision to take this case soon. It is sad. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 437772
5/22/2008 7:22 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Google The World According To Bob, very interesting info about the Trane Corp. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 437775
5/22/2008 7:27 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
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I saw this video on earlier pages ... I watched it and noticed that it is very weird, because this video must be at least 7 years old ... because there is a Wal-Mart missing and an old folks home , as well as a Burger King...which have been in that area for many years now . It is also very peculiar because it starts out at a local monastary or seminary ....Christ the King.... and then as the video circles ..it shows trane comany plants and headquarters..... its also weird that the video circles like 3 times and goes back zooming in on the islands and water ... even seems to zoom in on something particular right before it transforms into the globe shape . ... weird . Why would a person pst a video like this .... saying what they said ... and do it at least years after they made it ? CREEPY |
| Visitor - Undead Molly
User ID: 437579
5/22/2008 7:52 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I'm guessing no, not a Trane employee. My guess is he is a white male 35 to 45 years old, probably a truck driver, probably bisexual. The smiley face indicates to me he works for WalMart. He would be introverted, very intelegent, probably has a military background. He is very deliberate, and has an attention for details. He would have grown up in an abusive home with a very dominate father figure, which would have been the sorce of the abuse. I would also not be suprised if there was a history of sexual abuse in his past. Right now he is leaving clues for everyone to see, that means he is confortable, relaxed and at ease. If he feels threatened or pressured, he will most likely change his methods and or stop killing untill he feels safe again. Quoting: Budro 437587
Can you explain how you arrived at this profile?
If it's a Walmart employee, that breaks the Nick Garza connection. There are only four Walmarts in Vermont and none of them are near Middlebury, nor do any transport routes pass through or near there. The "major road" that goes through the town is route 7 - a small, curvy road which does not accommodate 18 wheelers. |
| mercury2
User ID: 437868
5/22/2008 10:56 PM
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I've been reading through lots of the comments on here . I have made it to page 5 .... and a couple things have come to mind . I have grown up in La Crosse. I have gone to churches around here for most of my life. One of the youth pastors ... in the early 90's use to lead a youth group on Wednesday evenings. I remember him talking about satanism. I was terrified about it and astounded me to know it was real and that there were people involved in organized satanic cults around here. I was pretty young then. He did mention that one of the big shots at Trane was a member along with their husband or wife.( can't remeber how it went ...I think the woman was the big shot with trane and her husband was part of the cult too. ..but am not sure . ) It made me scared because the house I was living in and had grown up in was right within blocks of several of Trane's plants and the technology center.
Another thing I thought of was that I had a neighbor once who had worked as a recruiter for Trane's tech department. He would tavel all over the US and even internationally and bring people back to the headquarters here for meetings and interviews. He had since lost his position due to alcoholism , I believe.....but he told stories of being expected to provide entertainment for the clients. He talked about finding and having women that would "escort" the clients who were on visits and also of the excursions downtown. I don't know if this still a regular practice of the technology department here . Yikes , it's not too far from my house and freaks me out to think someone there might be doing this stuff ...or know who is .. or whatever.
I really do hope too that the FBI makes the decision to take this case soon. It is sad. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 437498
It's great that local people are posting with insights and experiences, thanks. Who knows where this will lead but it's very interesting and could be helpful, you never know. At least this information is in one place for reference. God bless GLP. |
| Harleykat68
User ID: 438075
5/23/2008 8:37 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I also hope this thread stays alive it's very interesting! If their's another drowning, i wonder if they will start testing for these refrigeration gases or any other weird substances in these kids bodies, not just testing for alochol. Do these 2 detectives know about some of these Trane theories? I hope people are writting into these detectives website with their thoughts, i 've read some strange things on the interenet. It may be just 1 thing that cracks this case wide open!!!!!!!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 438075
5/23/2008 9:13 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Hey ya'll all kinds of good postings, 166 postings so far on ABC NEWS.Com, Detectives Chase "Smiley Face Murder Mystery." |
| mysterylover
User ID: 438104
5/23/2008 9:29 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
My question is if the police know of the hierarchy of the smiley face killers,
names and addresses, the pattern of the killings, the reason why they DON'T KILL on a FULL MOON,
and have actually calculated and predicted when another death would occur and it did,
have other marketings at the crime screen that they have not released, then why haven't picked up anyone for questioning? Quoting: creed
Good point!
I also noticed of the 52 murders, there was NO murders in MAY OR JUNE from 1994-2008......
that's 14 yrs..that NO one got drunk and walked into a body of water in these 2 warn months! Has to be a clue and no coincidence in my opinion.. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 438075
5/23/2008 9:38 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Strange! If it's one person( it can't be, some murders happened too close together in different states) then i would say, is he maybe out of the country those months? If it's a group doing this, then why no drownings those 2 month's, Good point? I thought someone said Trane at a lull at that time of the year? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 438104
5/23/2008 9:39 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
here is something i found
Sinsinawa Mound, Wisconsin,
was the home of strange beings who occupied caverns that few dared to enter. Enchanted rivers flowed through these caves to heaven Quoting: Anonymous Coward 437460
It's interesting to GOOGLE the name "Sinsinawa " and its numerous information..here's just two....(QUOTE)
Sinsinawa Mound. The name, deriving from the Mesquakie Indians who lived here, means "the young eagle." But the Mesquakie called the whole local region of southwest Wisconsin "Manitoumie." The land where the Great Spirit dwells.
Today, Sinsinawa Mound is home and national center to 750 Catholic Dominican sisters across the U.S. and serving in foreign missions. |
| Harleykat68
User ID: 438075
5/23/2008 9:44 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
If you were drunk i would think you'd be more likey to go near the water when it's hot outside, Not in the middle of winter when it's freezing cold out, all you want to do is get somewhere that's warm, right! Unless these kids tried to cross a frozen waterway( but very doubt it) some of these cases where they were found, was opposite from their campus hall! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 438075
5/23/2008 9:51 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I don't think it has anything to do with Sinsinawa Nuns as i live in Iowa and Matt krukzi was found near Sinsinawa Avenue in East Dubuque, Illinois. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 438211
5/23/2008 12:41 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Maybe the person has another committment in May and June ... I dont know how being in the Reserves works ... but don't they have to give time every year like that ? Something along that lines may account for why there have been none in May or June .
I am thinking it is the work of one or maybe two people. I tend to agree with people who say if there were more involved someone would have spilled info by now ( over how many years ? ) I also do not believe it can be anyone young... they would of had to have been drinking age and used to a bar sceen by the time the first killings started . I would kinda tend to follow the profile tghe man who said he thinks the killer is a Wal-Mart trucker said .. but change a couple things . Perhaps the person was sexually abused by cleregy from a church ? ( That TRANESLAVE video and also previous references to a monastery bring that to mind . ) I know many times people who go to Seminary are very inteligent young men . That TRANESLAVE video starts out zooming in on a seminary /monastery....and its just plain weird. Even in that video ... the first part of water he focuses on ( and then goes back to ) looks like a person ...with the way the water is flowing between the islands ... like a person laying spread eagle ...if you look you will see it ... and the words to the song are kinda creepy too. The maker of that movie ... uses effects to make "bird" type things fly off the screen .
I am thinking maybe this person is a Trane tech( Trane seems to be a good notion and fits somehow into this .. just gotta keep turning the pieces till they all fit . ) .. who was sexually abused at this Monastery ... when younger ... and is suffering and musthave some kind of mental bend . He finds young men like him .... and kills them or as he may be thinking .. sets them free ...like the birds he makes in the video . Maybe thats why none are hurt in any way ? maybe he is trying to free himself ? IN a weird way... hmmmm
LOL! can you tell I read Nancy Drew or what ?
Also ...more on La Crosse . We have huge "fests" every year ...Oktoberfest and Riverfest are just a cuople of them . We have two universities and a tech school ...so it is pretty much a college town . Thousands of college kids drink here. These Fests are nothing but week long drinking binges in public. People drink and drink and drink... there have even been riots downtown ... thousands of people getting drunk .
I find it TOO curious , if the police want to use the "They just got drunk and fell in the river" theory.... that NO ONE has ever drowned while these fests were going on and rationally it would be more likely because of the number of people drinking in close proximity to the river . |
| Rain
User ID: 272356
5/23/2008 1:14 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Hi everyone. My name is Rain and I live in Minneapolis. The men are put in the water when they are unconscious and when the river water temperature is frigid. That way, they really don't do the killing, the river does. Any body that goes into freezing water automatically locks itself up and the person is literally unable to swim. This is why the deaths do not occur in the summer months. Typically rivers run deep under bridges and they could easily toss people right off the bridge and they would literally sink.
Just this week a man walked into lake water to retrieve a toy boat and after he got into deep water his body locked up and he drowned. One can assume that he wasn't drunk--so just imagine how difficult it would be for the young men who are drugged or drunk.
The Trane theory is interesting. I have been reading many blogs since April and I have also read a story whereby a guy met a girl online and she met him at a local college bar. She asked him to wear a specific item so that she could identify him. He sat at the bar, met her, and after only having one drink he felt dizzy. Three of her guy friends came up from behind him, one under each arm and one holding his belt in the back. They were carrying him outside to a van when his friends rushed up and stopped them that they'd take care of the drunk friend. His friends didn't think anything of it at the time. This way of meeting victims online and learning about their lifestyle, GPA, sports interests, etc. would explain how the gang locates victims of the same demographic.
In follow up, here is the link to the 31 yr. old man who died while retrieving his toy boat:
[link to www.wvec.com] |
| Harleykat68
User ID: 438237
5/23/2008 1:25 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Rain that's creepy about the guy meeting a women online and the three guys, do they have a description of these people and van? Do you remember what site you read that on? Thanks. |
| JezåBellå;
User ID: 405819
5/23/2008 1:54 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Maybe its home grown al qaeda .
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
~ Dr. Seuss |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 438268
5/23/2008 2:15 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
[link to www.rockstargames.com]
interesting game. mentioned on c2c. if you look at the stills, there are pictures of the "smiley" gang in the game. |
| Rain
User ID: 272356
5/23/2008 3:10 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Regarding the source of the story I posted: someone recounted a caller to a talk show that described what had happened to him. I found it on this blog:
It does explain how the victims all share the same profiles. Also, according to reports of young men who merely were walking to their cars in the parking lot and disappeared, these crimes must also be those of opportunity.
For instance, one guy was dropped off by friends and he spoke by cellphone to his girlfriend who was inside the bar. He only had to walk behind the bar and go into the back door and he never made it inside the bar.
I've also read a story recounted by a guy's mother who said her son (who doesn't drink heavily) was in a college bar and went to the bathroom, when he came back to the bar his drink was gone. He asked for the drink and the bartender gave him a drink that had been sitting in front of a group guys/gal. He said it tasted bitter. The next thing he remembered is that he was in the river, struggling to get to shore. He was all bruised and battered from the rocks and got to shore. He went to the emergency room. His car was later found at a motel. The police dismissed the case because they labeled him as a drunk college guy in a blackout!
I can easil see how persons could pull off these crimes. It is no stretch of the imagination to find a guy whose been overserved at the bar, or to drop a roofie in his drink, offer him a ride home and toss him off a bridge.
You wouldn't even get your hands dirty.
If it is a murder club of highly intelligent or devious persons, it probably would be a higher "score" if the murder were labeled as an accidental drowning and "no signs of foul play" was used to describe the victim. |
| Rain
User ID: 272356
5/23/2008 3:18 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
OOPS, forgot to post the link to the other board:
[link to www.abovetopsecret.com]
And here is a link that includes news stories, blogs and web sites about the smiley face gang:
[link to kstp.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 438498
5/23/2008 10:23 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
You have to read this article I just found on TruTv crime library. It's called "Only the river knows". In the article there is a man, who is a funeral worker, that the police are watching him for awhile now. This guy is from Minnesota and he was obsessed with drowning men, it was his sexual fetish, this guy told the police repeatly that he was a serial killer and was going to drown men(He wanted to watch men's eyes why they were drowning) apparently the police know he was also in wisconsin at the times of the other drownings. Pat Brown a detective on tru tv said theirs a website deicated entirely to drowning as a fetish. She actually posed a different person and chated with this guy, he's definetly a psyopath. You have to read this it's very interesting, Do the investigators already know who's doing this? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225509
5/23/2008 10:36 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I am very interested in this line of inquiry. Six of the 'smiley face' victims disappeared in La Crosse - former headquarters of Trane. There is the Clarkville connection with Jessiah Jameson. There is a young man (handsome, smart, popular) who disappeared from Middlebury College in Middlebury Vermont February 5th - he'd been drinking with friends, then simply vanished with no trace. His body has not yet been found but there is reason to believe he is in the nearby Otter Creek. His name is Nick Garza.
According to their client list, Trane has an active contract with Middlebury College.
Does anyone have any new information connecting Trane to the 'smiley face' story? What lead to the initial poster's theory formation? Who are the "girls" mentioned in the smiley face/ventilation post?
The idea of a female killer interests me for this case. These are strapping young men with high pain tolerance due to intoxication. It would be nearly impossible for an average person to overpower and kill them. And indeed, it seems further unlikely as there are no signs of struggle, restraint, or trauma on the victims bodies. It seems like the killer must have the element of surprise/affinity on their side. A female killer?
Molly Quoting: Visitor - Undead Molly 425744
Oh, shit, did you see THIS?
[link to www.google.com]
Note that Trane did some work with Middlebury College; see first link at above search.
I think you've found a good theory here. |
| Anonymous in Japan
User ID: 438774
5/24/2008 10:20 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
What a great thread. Noticed a lot of comments asking about how these athletic, drunk young men could be so easily manipulated. Don't underestimate the power of a spiked drink. I got slipped some drugs once. I weigh about 200lbs. and am fit. I was on my second drink. I have very limited memory of anything over the next 12 hours. Fortunately I had friends around. Their describe me as being coherent but tired for a while then finally zombie like. Scary stuff. Always watch your drink and remember it's harder to drop something in a bottle than a glass. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 438783
5/24/2008 10:45 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I agree as a female i ALWAYS take my drink with me even to the restroom! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 438895
5/24/2008 2:10 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
The thing that doesn't make sense about the meeting a person online and drugging them is ...we don't know the complete info about what these men were doing that night. I am certain most of these people didnt disappear after one or two drinks , right after they arrived at the bar but ,rather, after they had been out drinking the whole evening. None of them appear to have been out alone , but with a framiliar group of friends or aqauntinces. To me that suggests the meeting new or strange people online and hooking up at a bar as not likely ... because 1. They would have told their buddies they were with .... 2. The friends would have seen the person.Right ? I know in La Crosse ... some of the men were actually on the way out of the bars at bar time. They were last seen by friends headed out the door with them... and then just disappeared.
I think whoever it is doesn't even approach the man selected to be the victim until he is leaving.The person doing this to these boys is either lingering inside or outside the doorway and somehow lures the person away. Otherwise, to go with the meting peple in the bar thing... the friends intervewed would have seen similar persons and scenarios durring the evening and reported them to police.Wouldn't they have ?
Maybe it is a person who just observes all night ,knows the kind of guy he's looking for..( people are pretty predictable by viewing behavior and mannerisms) and picks out a victim and then somehow leads them away from their friends when it's an opportune time. Maybe it's a really sexy hot looking woman, who would have to be in her middle 30's at least, by now ... who takes the men for a romatic walk by the river ... and gives them a drugged drink while they are out on the romantic walk .. and then just pushes him in when he gets drowsey enough? Theres tons of women who work for Trane.
If these men were pushed or dropped of bridges , they would have bruises from hitting the water...wuldn't they? I don't think they are dropped off of bridges , but just pushed in . |
| blackbird
User ID: 438895
5/24/2008 2:12 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
The thing that doesn't make sense about the meeting a person online and drugging them is ...we don't know the complete info about what these men were doing that night. I am certain most of these people didnt disappear after one or two drinks , right after they arrived at the bar but ,rather, after they had been out drinking the whole evening. None of them appear to have been out alone , but with a framiliar group of friends or aqauntinces. To me that suggests the meeting new or strange people online and hooking up at a bar as not likely ... because 1. They would have told their buddies they were with .... 2. The friends would have seen the person.Right ? I know in La Crosse ... some of the men were actually on the way out of the bars at bar time. They were last seen by friends headed out the door with them... and then just disappeared.
I think whoever it is doesn't even approach the man selected to be the victim until he is leaving.The person doing this to these boys is either lingering inside or outside the doorway and somehow lures the person away. Otherwise, to go with the meting peple in the bar thing... the friends intervewed would have seen similar persons and scenarios durring the evening and reported them to police.Wouldn't they have ?
Maybe it is a person who just observes all night ,knows the kind of guy he's looking for..( people are pretty predictable by viewing behavior and mannerisms) and picks out a victim and then somehow leads them away from their friends when it's an opportune time. Maybe it's a really sexy hot looking woman, who would have to be in her middle 30's at least, by now ... who takes the men for a romatic walk by the river ... and gives them a drugged drink while they are out on the romantic walk .. and then just pushes him in when he gets drowsey enough? Theres tons of women who work for Trane.
If these men were pushed or dropped of bridges , they would have bruises from hitting the water...wuldn't they? I don't think they are dropped off of bridges , but just pushed in . |
| blackbird
User ID: 438895
5/24/2008 2:21 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
sorry for these repeat posts. I am not getting how to use this site at all! lol. I am the same person from La Crosse who has been posting here .. I used the name sherri several times and then joined and made the hande blackbird , but have not been able to figure out how to sign in . Thanks for being patient with me . And as far as I know I am the only one here from La Crosse... most of my posts have been annonymous . How can I make a profile here, and then sign into it , so I show up as the same person all the time ?
Thanks . lol  |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 435523
5/24/2008 2:34 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Moderators-->can you please PIN THIS topic?
This subject keeps getting posted here, why not keep it at the top so that we don't loose track of all of the clues that have been posted so far?
Somewhere in the first few pages of this post is a link that says that Huff from crimeblog US is posting on this case, which is great but he changes his url like every other day.
However this case is solved, it is a weird one and the old posts that are indexed on Google© keep leading people to GLP to work on solving this crime and putting the pieces together.
I really this forum could help this investigation by continuing to keep the info. posted on the main page, instead of having to wait for people to find the scattered posts on Google and bump it back to page one. |
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