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| anonymous
User ID: 446975
6/6/2008 12:21 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Ethan, have you researched to see if it is true or not about the $255.00. Maybe the killer is operating off of a federal data base to target his victims.(refering to your blog post) |
| anonymous
User ID: 446975
6/6/2008 12:22 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Ethan, have you researched to see if it is true or not about the $255.00. Maybe the killer is operating off of a federal data base to target his victims.(refering to your blog post) |
| anonymous
User ID: 446975
6/6/2008 12:22 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Ethan, have you researched to see if it is true or not about the $255.00. Maybe the killer is operating off of a federal data base to target his victims.(refering to your blog post) |
| anonymous
User ID: 446975
6/6/2008 12:22 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Ethan, have you researched to see if it is true or not about the $255.00. Maybe the killer is operating off of a federal data base to target his victims.(refering to your blog post) |
| anonymous
User ID: 446975
6/6/2008 12:22 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Ethan, have you researched to see if it is true or not about the $255.00. Maybe the killer is operating off of a federal data base to target his victims.(refering to your blog post) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 446994
6/6/2008 12:50 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
to mercury -thank you
Smith-maybe you could post the info somewhere on line .There must be somewhere to send private messages-maybe i will check into that.
ac-no i have not checked to see if it was true about the death benefits |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 446246
6/6/2008 10:08 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i'm putting it together now, i guess i'll start a new thread and post it there. There is so much info. I have found the sites where these people communicate with each other. |
| smith1771
User ID: 446246
6/6/2008 10:09 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i will post it on a new thread in an hour |
| mercury2
User ID: 137375
6/6/2008 10:46 PM
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i will post it on a new thread in an hour Quoting: smith1771 446246
Looking forward to your post but it sure sounds creepy. you guys are brave digging into this as far as you have. |
| 909nine
User ID: 447579
6/7/2008 12:44 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
There happens to be a related case here in Athens, Ohio. The two detectives from New York seem to think so, at least. I was a student at Ohio University at the time and recall it clearly because of where his body was found. Keith Noble jr went missing after drinking on April 25, 1998 and a search by air and ground went on for two weeks until two students happened upon his body. Thing is that Keith Noble was in plain view, at least it was not a wooded area along the Hocking River and he was way up stream from the campus and where he lived or for that fact where he was last seen. |
| 909nine
User ID: 447579
6/8/2008 11:51 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Here's the link to the news station in Columbus that broke the story about the possible connection of Keith Noble:
[link to www.10tv.com]
Here's another link to a local newspaper in Athens, and it's kinda sad that perhaps the University and police may wish to keep this from tarnishing student safety and prospective students from enrolling, all the while justice is swept under the rug:
[link to www.athensnews.com] |
| Ethan
User ID: 448087
6/8/2008 11:53 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Here's the link to the news station in Columbus that broke the story about the possible connection of Keith Noble:
[ link to www.10tv.com]
Here's another link to a local newspaper in Athens, and it's kinda sad that perhaps the University and police may wish to keep this from tarnishing student safety and prospective students from enrolling, all the while justice is swept under the rug:
[ link to www.athensnews.com]
Thanks.I will check it out.I added more to the superman connection.I still have work to do on it |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 92826
6/8/2008 12:03 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Did anyone see the t.v. movie on the other night called "The Green River Killings" (forgot exact title) - killings in Washington state over period of nineteen years? Think it was on Lifetime t.v.
Not related to these but what struck me is the dedication of the detective all those years and he finally found the killer. It affected the guy's whole life. It made me think of the two retired detectives and what they are feeling and the frustration they are going through. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 445211
Yes, bless those men. Eventually they'll get him/them. There are a lot of clues, a lot of people interested, a lot of people watching....and two men compiling it all into the big picture. |
| King Neptune
User ID: 304696
6/8/2008 12:05 PM
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It's hard to stop a train.
All we have is hope that a dragon will be born again, and one will rise to lead us to freedom. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 92826
6/8/2008 12:05 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i will post it on a new thread in an hour Quoting: smith1771 446246
Can you give a link to the new thread? |
| Ithaca College Student
User ID: 448154
6/8/2008 1:09 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I think the trane theory is very good, and this may be a stretch..but what about a possible connection with the Latin Kings?
- The detectives are convinced its some sort of "gang" like group with a hierarchy
- Smiley faces are typically yellow and black, which are the latin king colors.
- Tommy Booth (PA) was last seen talking to two hispanic girls
- Brian Shaffer (OH) was last seen on a security camera talking to two girls (possibly hispanic?)
- Girls are likely involved since it would be easy for them (especially two girls) one could distract the guy while the other slips something into his drink (GHB or some other type of drug)
- Gangs almost always have girl members and certain initiations, this could be how they get into the gang.
There are other connections to this theory and I'm sure some of you could expand on this. Anyone else's thoughts on this? |
| Ethan
User ID: 448087
6/8/2008 1:50 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I think the trane theory is very good, and this may be a stretch..but what about a possible connection with the Latin Kings?
- The detectives are convinced its some sort of "gang" like group with a hierarchy
- Smiley faces are typically yellow and black, which are the latin king colors.
- Tommy Booth (PA) was last seen talking to two hispanic girls
- Brian Shaffer (OH) was last seen on a security camera talking to two girls (possibly hispanic?)
- Girls are likely involved since it would be easy for them (especially two girls) one could distract the guy while the other slips something into his drink (GHB or some other type of drug)
- Gangs almost always have girl members and certain initiations, this could be how they get into the gang.
There are other connections to this theory and I'm sure some of you could expand on this. Anyone else's thoughts on this? Quoting: Ithaca College Student 448154
It it just too soon to tell,but i think it is possible.I believe the best way to have killed someone in Clarksville anyway would to be lured away somehow to the motel on College street.Then they take a walk .They go down stairs that go directly to a walkway-which is also a bridge that goes directly to the river.When they are at the end of the brige they then kill their victim and only have a very short distance to drag the body to the water.-----or they have a boat and were docked at the riverwalk-Either way it would have been easier for a female to lure the victim away,where they could then kill their victim unnoticed by anyone
[link to www.youtube.com] |
| Just Speak
User ID: 440927
6/8/2008 5:46 PM
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Man Falls From Ship and Survives 14 Harrowing Hours at Sea
Jan. 26, 2006
'How Did I End Up Here?'
Unbelievably, Sears awoke in the middle of the ocean.
"I'm coming to in the middle of the water and there's no ship around and it's total, total darkness," he said. "At first it wasn't ... It didn't even seem real. And then it didn't take very long to realize that it was real." Quoting: Ethan 440362
Um, that's very odd. Did he have on a life jacket? How long was he out (I wonder) before he "came to"? Doesn't seem like an unconscious person would be able to keep themselves afloat. Weird! |
| Ethan
User ID: 448299
6/8/2008 6:00 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Man Falls From Ship and Survives 14 Harrowing Hours at Sea
Jan. 26, 2006
'How Did I End Up Here?'
Unbelievably, Sears awoke in the middle of the ocean.
"I'm coming to in the middle of the water and there's no ship around and it's total, total darkness," he said. "At first it wasn't ... It didn't even seem real. And then it didn't take very long to realize that it was real."
Um, that's very odd. Did he have on a life jacket? How long was he out (I wonder) before he "came to"? Doesn't seem like an unconscious person would be able to keep themselves afloat. Weird! Quoting: Just Speak
According to someone named Detroit a man named Gary McNeil could have been working on that cruise.Detroit had noticed the same patterns that i did and that is how i was able to find him .I was googling for superman info i think but anyway,he says Gary killed Jon Benet Ramsey and was killing some of the same people listed as possible victims of the smiley face killer.he is being constantly harrassed where ever he posts by someone named LegalEagle.Detroit says that Gary had worked construction and on cruise ships.He said Gary was often killing in the winter because that was when he was unemployed because of the work tending to be seasonal.Detroits posts can be found here.
[link to www.topix.com] |
| Just Speak
User ID: 440927
6/8/2008 6:08 PM
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I came to the forum earlier looking for something completely different, when I saw this thread at the top. Just finished reading through the whole thing (not an easy task with all the interesting links to check out!)
I'm in Ohio, and had been interested in what happened to Brian Schaffer. [link to www.charleyproject.org]
"Shaffer was last seen at the Ugly Tuna Saloona, a bar near the Ohio State University (OSU) campus, between 1:30 and 2:00 a.m. on April 1, 2006. He had gone there to celebrate the beginning of spring break with several male friends. He has never been heard from again. Shaffer's car was found parked at his apartment, which is near the Ugly Tuna Saloona, after his disappearance. None of his personal belongings disappeared with him, and his credit cards and bank accounts have not been used since he went missing."
Somebody posted a link to this particular news story on You Tube: [link to www.youtube.com]
The detective suggested that none of these 40 or so men have gone missing during particular times of the year, with breaks around Christmas and Spring break. (If Brian's disappearance is connected to these others, maybe this killer was looking for one last victim before he headed about his business?) They also think moonlight (which is never full) is a contributing factor. (A quick search tells me that the moon was "New" on March 29th). Also, that most of these men have gone missing in the beginning of the month, and Brian disappeared April 1st. I'm not sure about a link to I-94, but Brian's name was mentioned in that youtube clip.
I am curious if anybody has checked out any areas of water around Columbus for smiley faces?
I also want to know how many of the 40 or so men who have disappeared have been found? (the percentage of bodies recovered) |
| Ethan
User ID: 448299
6/8/2008 6:15 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
The URL contained a malformed video ID.
There is no way of knowing for certain how many victims were drowning victims of the same serial killer.i suspect a killer would have started out killing more homeless people and runaways becuause they tend to go unnoticed .Over time as they got braver ,they probably would have targeted higher profile targets and maybe the patterns became more consistant. |
| Ethan
User ID: 448299
6/8/2008 6:25 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
law enforcement in general semms to not believe there is a serial killer so why would they look?I established a technician could be responsible and pointed out that there was only 10 days of classes in Clarksville at the Trane facility.Columbus has training for their products too.Electrical-basic refrigeration-boiler operation-cooling tower operation.The Fbi was informed of this.Apparentlly they do not believe matching class dates with a disappearance, when there is only a 1 in 36.5 chance of doing so,is importanant,because they are assuming in the first place that there is no killer. |
| Just Speak
User ID: 440927
6/8/2008 6:27 PM
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The URL contained a malformed video ID.
There is no way of knowing for certain how many victims were drowning victims of the same serial killer.i suspect a killer would have started out killing more homeless people and runaways becuause they tend to go unnoticed .Over time as they got braver ,they probably would have targeted higher profile targets and maybe the patterns became more consistant. Quoting: Ethan 448299
I had to edit the link a couple of times.. somehow it messed up my text..
I do wonder how many people are purposely misleading police by drawing smiley faces next to places where bodies have turned up... though they may have had nothing to do with it. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448299
6/8/2008 7:01 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
what i wonder about is how many people go missing or found dead and have it dismissed as an accident or suicide.I think it happens a lot .I remember a guy that was said to have commited suicide by laying on the railroad tracks.He was a plumber I knew.This made no sense as his wallet was missing and he cashed a check that day.His wallet was never found.I think he was killed and his body was placed on the tracks so the train would run over an all ready dead body.Sometimes the family is even in denial because it is easier to believe something else,like maybe it was an accident.If the family does not want to pursue an investigation it makes it that much easier for a crime to go unnoticed |
| ethan
User ID: 448299
6/8/2008 7:32 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
It says that Noble was found downstream from whites mill at the fotre website. |
| Ethan
User ID: 448299
6/8/2008 7:41 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
shaffer fits a pattern of animal and water names-Tuna.Others are geesey-hayduk-pike -rowe-blue and some not mentioned by many sites.other animals-falcon-herr burrows-catcher-which is also similar to hatcher who played lois lane |
| Ethan
User ID: 448299
6/8/2008 7:50 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
falcon is a comic book character also and lex luthor has a falcon.Jameson is a comic book character also. |
| Ethan
User ID: 448299
6/8/2008 8:04 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Noble was last seen on washington street.
Olsen was last seen on Lincoln Hwy. Nick Rossini and Nathan Edberg's mothers worked at Lincoln Elementary School. Max Walker was from Lincoln, NE. Josh Stostak is believed to have last passed by Lincoln Park by Martin Luther King Monument. Brian Welzien spent his evening at a bar on Lincoln Street |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 92826
6/8/2008 8:16 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
The URL contained a malformed video ID.
There is no way of knowing for certain how many victims were drowning victims of the same serial killer.i suspect a killer would have started out killing more homeless people and runaways becuause they tend to go unnoticed .Over time as they got braver ,they probably would have targeted higher profile targets and maybe the patterns became more consistant.
I had to edit the link a couple of times.. somehow it messed up my text..
I do wonder how many people are purposely misleading police by drawing smiley faces next to places where bodies have turned up... though they may have had nothing to do with it. Quoting: Just Speak
That thought crosses my mind also. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448535
6/9/2008 4:17 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I think the trane theory is very good, and this may be a stretch..but what about a possible connection with the Latin Kings?
- The detectives are convinced its some sort of "gang" like group with a hierarchy
- Smiley faces are typically yellow and black, which are the latin king colors.
- Tommy Booth (PA) was last seen talking to two hispanic girls
- Brian Shaffer (OH) was last seen on a security camera talking to two girls (possibly hispanic?)
- Girls are likely involved since it would be easy for them (especially two girls) one could distract the guy while the other slips something into his drink (GHB or some other type of drug)
- Gangs almost always have girl members and certain initiations, this could be how they get into the gang.
There are other connections to this theory and I'm sure some of you could expand on this. Anyone else's thoughts on this? Quoting: Ithaca College Student 448154
I just googled latin+king+gang. Their symbol is a crown. Didn't some of the smiley faces have crowns?
They also have holidays Jan.6, first week of March, and many others. Will have to check if any of these dates match days the college men went missing.
They also have a weird saying, "5 crowning, 6 drowning". Creepy.
They also have chapters in 34 states, and yes, Illinois, Indiana, NY, Wisconsin, etc.
Only checked out a few sites on the google page so there is probably more possible links. It's late, need to go to bed.
Will check it out more tomorrow.
Nathan, you should also with you super sleuthing capabilities. |
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