The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane?

Last night on ID channel (Investigation Discovery), there was an episode of "Deranged", about the Son Of Sam killings. What I didn't realize was that much of the evidence suggests a Satanic Cult was responsible. David Berkowitz said he was there at all of the killings, but that he was not the only one who was responsible for the killings. (This supports evidence by witnesses, and surviving victims- as well as the varied sketches of the killer).

Perhaps there is something to the cult thing being mentioned in this thread? Of course anything is possible.

shaffer fits a pattern of animal and water names-Tuna.Others are geesey-hayduk-pike -rowe-blue and some not mentioned by many sites.other animals-falcon-herr burrows-catcher-which is also similar to hatcher who played lois lane

I was able to see that HVAC thread cached. The posters were totally rude and dismissive.

Something interesting I found in a cybersleuthing forum thread about Nick Garza, though. A new poster apparently created an account to interject two posts:

3/22: "Drunk college kid passes out after drinking too much at a party and dies in snow. Story at 11....... I mean really what is so baffling about this "case"??? No one wants to say its what happened, Middlebury college has a president advocating lowering the drinking age......... Middlebury College has too much money, and too much sway in vermont for it to be reported honestly and accurately."

then

4/18: "They just found Nicks body behind Middlebury Union High School on the College side, finally this can be over."

Nick's body has NOT been found, nor did I ever hear any rumor to that effect. Why did this person go to the trouble of creating an account just to make two misleading posts?

This person's user name is "Spider_Jerusalem", the main character in a very popular comic called Transmetropolitan, the symbol of which is a three-eyed yellow smiley face.

Weird? Or am I just going nuts?

I can find out the person's IP address if I can just register, but their software isn't giving me a password... grr...

ALSO, Middlebury College purchased a building this year, the sale was finalized January 11. Is it possible someone from Trane was called to the area around the time Nick disappeared (Feb 5) to work on their new acquisition's air systems?

Dead Molly I did a web search using the Emil Kruegar's name and the word Transmetropolitan and I came up with a weird web site- it was in many different languages but check out the logo -yep a smiley face!!!!!! Are we on to something here- check it out
[link to city.udn.com]

This needs to be sent to the detective Gannon and they need someone that is able to pick this site apart. I found this just by linking names together. But the Smiley face is on the logo.

Dead Molly I did a web search using the Emil Kruegar's name and the word Transmetropolitan and I came up with a weird web site- it was in many different languages but check out the logo -yep a smiley face!!!!!! Are we on to something here- check it out
[link to city.udn.com]

This needs to be sent to the detective Gannon and they need someone that is able to pick this site apart. I found this just by linking names together. But the Smiley face is on the logo.


Strange. And did you see what the person posted there in red letters:

"For reminding visitors worldwide:

I might be sentenced and jailed pretty soon due of my aggressive hostile attitude to the local bourgeoisie and beaurocracy. That means the stock markets around the world will plummet during my detention. I really do not suppose that I will be alive and back here to continue the task of global sending for the involving of the Mafia hired by them. This note might be a fairwell to you, my friends in every corner of the planet."

Wonder what that's all about.

Odd about the smiley face!!

-- The Ohio State University Police are looking for a missing student. Jonathan Howard, a Sophomore Physics student from Defiance, Ohio was last seen in OSU's Baker Hall on June 5.

Stumbled upon another smiley face related piece, about a comic in the 80's called Watchmen. Oddly it starts off with two dectives in New York investigating the death of a superhero. A blood stained smiley face appears often in the comic and in various positions like a ballon and it's cord, a tower and a roller coaster, in a bully's eye burnt with a cigarette, ect,ect,ect. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Bizarre to say the least. Didn't one of the pics of the graffiti have a monkey smiling and in it's nose there was a smiley face also? Think it was the one found perhaps at the scene of Abel Bolanos(sp?). May have to check.

Has anyone heard from Ethan on any thread? I read he had perhaps received some online threats and someone was fooling with his internet connection. He was alittle worried at this point. Ethan if you are reading this-please reply. You have been such a great investigator and I want to see you are OK. Great Blog by the way. Please just say hi so we know you are OK-

Any new information on TRANE?

I'm all for conspiracy theories, but this doesn't make any sense. I haven't read this thread, so don't know exactly what's been said or hasn't been said, so forgive me if I repeat something. Also I haven't done in-depth investigative work here, just cursory searches on the web and came up with a news site. They posted some of what these detectives are surmising and it really seems squirrelly for many reasons. Here's the site just chosen at random:

[link to a11news.com]

quote:
The smiley face gang is loosely connected via the Internet and various members meet up, kidnap young college-age men off the street by throwing them into a waiting cargo van, then torture their victims for hours before dumping the unconscious young men into a nearby river. ...

The smiley face and associated graffiti is their method of bragging about what they’ve done and the water washes away all the DNA evidence.
unquote

What? Loosely connected? How can they be loosely connected and be committing murders? And then brag about them? If they're loosely connected how are they bragging? Since they theory is they're located in different states how would someone in Minnesota know that someone in Idaho drew a smiley face? Further, how would they know the "loosely connected gang member" even committed the crime to begin with? The young men go missing don't they? It must take days or weeks to find them or do the police must magically go to the exact spot instantly? If it takes weeks, how would a member know another member had even committed a crime let alone bragged about it? And what DNA evidence? The smiley faces are painted in water? And I thought it was shallow water? Further if these victims were tortured for hours, how? Were there marks on them from the torture? If they were, why were they ruled accidental? Unless there were no marks and then you'd have to ask how the detectives knew they were tortured for hours.

These are just some of the points that make absolutely no sense at all. Further smiley faces are ubiquitous. Go to a place where there's graffiti and you'll likely see a smiley face drawn. How do we know they weren't drawn a long time ago along with the rest of the grafitti that's there? Further we have this:

quote:
At many locations, they found a smiley face painted on a nearby rock, often with smiley face gang member’s nicknames added as graffiti,
unquote

What? So the "loose-connected gang member" actually leaves his name? Wouldn't this be fairly easy to find out? If someone's a member of a gang, chances are others know their nickname. It wouldn't make any sense at all for someone to be signing their name to a murder. In fact, it's ridiculous. Like this:

quote:
Because the smiley face gang would plant evidence such as wallets or cell phones far away from where they actually dumped their victim’s unconscious bodies in the water, local police following up on the missing person’s reports would assume the young men were accidental drowning victimes instead of deliberate murders.
unquote

Now why would cell phones and wallets being found far away from a victim's body make the police conclude it was an accidental death? I would be more inclined to think that if the wallet was ON the person and in place that the death was accidental? What is this pretzel logic being used? That a "loosely-connected gang" would scatter evidence because why again? To make a murder look like a suicide when it would look more like a murder if the victim's belongings were found all over the place.

Then there's another point. If these victims are indeed tortured for hours, then what is their blood alcohol like? I'm assuming the police ran cursory tests. If it was hours since they took a drink, their alcohol level must be down to about normal. Unless the torture included being forced to down Jack Daniels?

This really sounds like an absurd conspiracy theory. If there is no more evidence than this ... ????? I totally agree that the deaths are more than suspicious, but there really has to be more than chewing gum used to put a case together.

I'm all for conspiracy theories, but this doesn't make any sense. I haven't read this thread, so don't know exactly what's been said or hasn't been said, so forgive me if I repeat something. Also I haven't done in-depth investigative work here, just cursory searches on the web and came up with a news site. They posted some of what these detectives are surmising and it really seems squirrelly for many reasons. Here's the site just chosen at random:

[link to a11news.com]

quote:
The smiley face gang is loosely connected via the Internet and various members meet up, kidnap young college-age men off the street by throwing them into a waiting cargo van, then torture their victims for hours before dumping the unconscious young men into a nearby river. ...

The smiley face and associated graffiti is their method of bragging about what they’ve done and the water washes away all the DNA evidence.
unquote

What? Loosely connected? How can they be loosely connected and be committing murders? And then brag about them? If they're loosely connected how are they bragging? Since they theory is they're located in different states how would someone in Minnesota know that someone in Idaho drew a smiley face? Further, how would they know the "loosely connected gang member" even committed the crime to begin with? The young men go missing don't they? It must take days or weeks to find them or do the police must magically go to the exact spot instantly? If it takes weeks, how would a member know another member had even committed a crime let alone bragged about it? And what DNA evidence? The smiley faces are painted in water? And I thought it was shallow water? Further if these victims were tortured for hours, how? Were there marks on them from the torture? If they were, why were they ruled accidental? Unless there were no marks and then you'd have to ask how the detectives knew they were tortured for hours.

These are just some of the points that make absolutely no sense at all. Further smiley faces are ubiquitous. Go to a place where there's graffiti and you'll likely see a smiley face drawn. How do we know they weren't drawn a long time ago along with the rest of the grafitti that's there? Further we have this:

quote:
At many locations, they found a smiley face painted on a nearby rock, often with smiley face gang member’s nicknames added as graffiti,
unquote

What? So the "loose-connected gang member" actually leaves his name? Wouldn't this be fairly easy to find out? If someone's a member of a gang, chances are others know their nickname. It wouldn't make any sense at all for someone to be signing their name to a murder. In fact, it's ridiculous. Like this:

quote:
Because the smiley face gang would plant evidence such as wallets or cell phones far away from where they actually dumped their victim’s unconscious bodies in the water, local police following up on the missing person’s reports would assume the young men were accidental drowning victimes instead of deliberate murders.
unquote

Now why would cell phones and wallets being found far away from a victim's body make the police conclude it was an accidental death? I would be more inclined to think that if the wallet was ON the person and in place that the death was accidental? What is this pretzel logic being used? That a "loosely-connected gang" would scatter evidence because why again? To make a murder look like a suicide when it would look more like a murder if the victim's belongings were found all over the place.

Then there's another point. If these victims are indeed tortured for hours, then what is their blood alcohol like? I'm assuming the police ran cursory tests. If it was hours since they took a drink, their alcohol level must be down to about normal. Unless the torture included being forced to down Jack Daniels?

This really sounds like an absurd conspiracy theory. If there is no more evidence than this ... ????? I totally agree that the deaths are more than suspicious, but there really has to be more than chewing gum used to put a case together.

Ethan has the FBI contacted you? Or are they dismissing this theory like all other leads they have received?