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The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane?

 
Mr. Predictor

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HVAC techs are FREAKS !!!!!!
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Oddly enough, there is an HVAC vacuum pump made by Refco that has a smiley face on it.

[link to www.refcoswiss.com]


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Thank you for being so cordial and welcoming! Yes, I found this thread looking while doing searches trying to gather non-mainstream ideas about the possibility of a female Smiley Face killer. I did review the other 'main' thread just now and there were a number of thoughts and questions posted there that have echoed my own in the past few days:

1. Cult? IMHO, no. The bodies are not exsanguinated, no organs are removed, no signs of ritual, killings do not appear to follow any chronological pattern corresponding to any cultic holidays, calendar, or anniversaries I know of.

2. Gang? Again, just my humble opinion, but no. I don't think the typical gang initiate possesses the personal restraint, improvisational intelligence, and patience required to commit such a "perfect crime". Unless this is the most elite and selective gang in the history of the world....

3. A Gacy/Dahmer type killer. I guess this is possible, but I think the bodies would register signs of foul play: rectal tearing, unexplained hematomas consistent with struggle and/or restraint.

I keep coming back to a female or a "trench coat mafia" type male killer.

I'm really, really keen to hear more from the person who interjects about a Trane technician who travels with 2 girls. Can you please tell me more about this?
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Wow!

Where did you learn that the bodies were exsanguinated? I did not see that in any of the threads I followed. Drained of blood. But no wounds?

Sorry, I take that back, you said they were not exsanquinated(great word). Oops.

Ok, still very strange as the manner of death seems to be drowning due to intoxication according to the police, but in some cases little or no water in the lungs.
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I finally found some of the anonymous 'girl' posts on an butterfly.org forum. A 17 year old female who calls herself happy.face.killer and identifies her location as 'in your ventilation'.

[link to www.butterfly.org]

"I think it is girls thaT TRAVE WITH A TECHNICIAN.you see classes are typicaly in November which is the month Jessiah jameson disappeared.If trane had there classes on the 16 of november in clarksville then we have a technician and their traveling companions commiting the murders. This is this years schedule
Nov18 to 21

[link to www.trane.com]

"here is the killers website.notice the red &white curtains in the background

[link to www.gaiaonline.com]

This is a my space link from
Jessiah jamesons website.

notice the red&white curtains in the background.

[link to profile.myspace.com]


Eerily, the MySpace account has recently been deleted or suspended. But you can see it cached from a search engine. Her profile is gone but her friends aren't...! Also lots of timelines and names to research with the Trane training schedule. Want to research more but must go to bed....
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in one killing duct tape was used.The police claimed he taped himself up



Investigators did address reports that SHUMAN-MOORE 'S body had some sort of bindings applied to his body when found. According to investigators, duct tape had been loosely applied to SHUMAN-MOORE'S legs and hands
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Just glancing at this thread (not read it yet). I thought these killings started in New York. Remember the detective who was the case of a kid found in a river who promised his parents he wouldn't let this rest. I thought that the first in the string of killings.
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I get some kind of apology at the Trane site.

I don't see the red curtains in the SFK gaia page.

I get an "invalid friend" message on the myspace page.

Have these things already been shut down?

As to where this all started, the two retired detectives are dealing with a case that is 11 years old from New York. They had come to the Twin Cities to explore possible similarities in the disappearance and death of Chris Jenkins. It got major coverage on a local television station -KSTP. and on their website.
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I get some kind of apology at the Trane site.

I don't see the red curtains in the SFK gaia page.

I get an "invalid friend" message on the myspace page.

Have these things already been shut down?

As to where this all started, the two retired detectives are dealing with a case that is 11 years old from New York. They had come to the Twin Cities to explore possible similarities in the disappearance and death of Chris Jenkins. It got major coverage on a local television station -KSTP. and on their website.
 Quoting: Hold the Phone



But didn't the NY case reveal a happy face? These killings have been going on for all this time.

BTW, I love your AV, too. I'm an animal lover and anti hunting.
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the curtain stuff was wrong.a can tell you however there used to be white vans used as taxis where Jameson lived.It could have been assumed he was taking a cab.
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I finally found some of the anonymous 'girl' posts on an butterfly.org forum. A 17 year old female who calls herself happy.face.killer and identifies her location as 'in your ventilation'.

[link to www.butterfly.org]

 Quoting: Visitor - Undead Molly 425744

Dang, do you think she got banned for posting that? She's new, she would never know what happened. I don't disagree with the autoban policy, but I hope Molly wasn't a victim of it! That would really confuse her!
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I finally found some of the anonymous 'girl' posts on an butterfly.org forum. A 17 year old female who calls herself happy.face.killer and identifies her location as 'in your ventilation'.

[link to www.butterfly.org]


Dang, do you think she got banned for posting that? She's new, she would never know what happened. I don't disagree with the autoban policy, but I hope Molly wasn't a victim of it! That would really confuse her!
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How do you know she got banned???
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How do you know she got banned???
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I don't know, but she posted a link to a site that isn't allowed to be linked to here, which is a policy for a legitimate reason. Anyway she won't know that. Hope that didn't mess you up Molly!

The system automatically substitutes "butterfly" for the real name of the site. And I must be nuts to be talking about this. I have been on GLP ALL DAY obsessing about these murder threads! No wonder I'm getting weird and crabby! I better log off! So many good posts today on both these serial killer threads. Good sleuthing from GLPers!
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Okay, sorry I haven't read this whole thread (been on the other one). If there is a Trane connection, that's only part of the puzzle. Don't forget the bloodhounds who ID'd the monastary.

In the other thread, page three, James Redford (or Redmond) made a very insightful anaysis. He talked about intel services being involved. The Mossad uses legitimate businesses for cover. The CIA uses them, too.

Think BIG. The cult that runs this planet is responsible for drug and human trafficking. Intel is deeply in it, as are cops, the DEA, etc. Then there is the occult componant to the cult, which often hides behind churches (the monastary). If these are polital and or cult killings, it's not low level drug traffickers like the gangs around the border. They are WAY too violent. They cut off heads and spray machine gun fire. These killings are much more subtle. Like Redford/Redmond said, these are PROFESSIONALS. I still get the sense that Blackwater is involved. That also might explain the water link. Blackwater founder Eric Prince was a SEAL. Blackwater is the Preatorian Guard of the cult.
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Oddly enough, there is an HVAC vacuum pump made by Refco that has a smiley face on it.

[link to www.refcoswiss.com]


Eric
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OMG!
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R-22 can be used almost like a knockout gas, with some effort, but not a ton, wouldn't be too hard for someone who knows a little about HVAC to use that. Has almost a nitrious oxide effect, people do get high on it. Cargo van....victims half hammered....Jugs of refigerant not out of place for anyone in the AC biz, roll your window down a little, the other window doesn't work, open the valve and sleepy time drunken stupor land for a short while. I doubt there would be a whole lot of traces of it either.

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If the technician is working in a confined space, care should be taken to provide proper ventilation and if there is an accidental release of refrigerant, the area should be vacated. Inhaling high concentrations of refrigerant vapour can cause a feeling of intoxication and dizziness with a loss of coordination and slurred speech. Cardiac irregularities, unconsciousness,and ultimately death, can occur from breathing a high concentration of refrigerant. If a technician experiences any of these symptoms he should move or be moved to an area with fresh air and receive medical attention.

[link to www.bizlink.com]
 Quoting: SHR


Interesting, SHR! I never thought of someone being killed with a gas.
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Oddly enough, there is an HVAC vacuum pump made by Refco that has a smiley face on it.

[link to www.refcoswiss.com]
Eric
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YIKES!

hiding

I'd say you guys are putting together quite a case. Very probable.
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2 girls being involved makes sense.This is part of an article about a possible victim




Brian and his friends are seen in the surveillance tape at 1:15 am outside of the Ugly Tuna, at the top of the escalator, talking with two girls;
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Wow!

Where did you learn that the bodies were exsanguinated? I did not see that in any of the threads I followed. Drained of blood. But no wounds?

Sorry, I take that back, you said they were not exsanquinated(great word). Oops.

Ok, still very strange as the manner of death seems to be drowning due to intoxication according to the police, but in some cases little or no water in the lungs.
 Quoting: Hold the Phone


No, HTP, Molly said NOT exsanguinated when she said didn't think these are cult murders.

Welcome, Molly. Stick around. This the BEST forum on the internet.

This could VERY WELL be the largest, most organized cult/gang on the planet. The ones who control EVERTHING dirty, criminal, Satanic, and political.

Know this: Intel services, military, cops, world leaders, politicians (the power ones), royal families, and religious organizations are ALL in service to this beast.
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Who came up with this connection to Trane? Did it come from one the blogs that have been linked?

Also, what does CCP mean? I gather it's munipalities particating in "greener" energy?
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Brian turned up missing in Columbus which is also one on trane's location.


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No! Why would you ask that? I just think it's funny that you would be asking that. Not that I would know.
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Who came up with this connection to Trane? Did it come from one the blogs that have been linked?

Also, what does CCP mean? I gather it's munipalities particating in "greener" energy?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 385176



1 jenkins was seen in a cargo van which could possibly indicate he was a technician.

2 duct tape was used in one of the drownings.

3 trane has a factory in at least 4 of the cities.

4
technical training is typicaly done at the time Jessiah jameson went missing.

5 technicians with specialized commercial training would have an advantage working where the systems are installed.
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The Mississippi is referred to as "old Blackwater" in a song way back. "Old Blackwater, keep on rollin", Mississippi moon won't you keep on shinin'..."
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The prisoners, I mean. I won´t recount the extraordinary charges leveled here except to mention the most frightening image from the documentary: the CACI Training Manual, which provides step-by-step instruction on how to interrogate subjects, each of whom is depicted as a stick figure with a smiley face. Surreal doesn´t begin to describe it.

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The cities where the suspected murders take place are what you would call green cities,and they may have installed a Trane system in their government buidings and Universities,but the problem with that theory is 500 cities signed on to the CCP_cities for climate protection.Only the local governments and univerities would be able to tell us if they were working there at the time.My understanding of this is that during Clintons presidency a lot of money was being handed out to make energy improvements .

EarthWise™ CenTraVac™ received the U.S. EPA’s Climate Protection Award and is the most energy efficient, lowest emission large chiller available today – up to 18% more efficient than the alternatives.
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In 1996 cfc was banned.According to the Air-Conditioning, Refrigeration Institute (ARI), approximately 90% or 75,000 of the 84,000 centrifugal chillers that exist in North America will have to be converted or replaced before 2006 Estimates of the conversion and replacement market are $6 billion in the United States.There are so many systems that need to be replaced and so much government money floating around anyone could easily go to different parts of the country and get a job working as an hvac technician.since over 50% of the new systems are Trane and probably more if it is a government building or a University the odds would be even better for someone that has worked for them.
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Oh my god, that is so right. Trane Albany has that contact at Middlebury, it happened 1 month after Josh Sztosack went missing. They just found a smiley face in Albany. I think your on to something, they also have a big presence in NY/NJ where all of this started.
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im going tocut and paist what i wrote at another website,
i was banned for awile and could n'rt post here,


1]................

1st person shooter game, the decals,
are used to mark thinks, you spray paint them in the game,
in the first hafelife wich is old now,
the pvp part of the game, is called,
"Team Fortress",

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


wich i think was used in other 1 person shooters,
in one of the game i use to play, may have been counterstrike, sorry it's been along time,
the other players would spray the wall with a
"decal" after they got youin the game.
there are still some site outhere
for decals google it

[i thoughthis game had asmilly face in it,
as well as many site made custom "decals" , some sites are still up.]



2]................

so im googleing
"Smiley Face killer"
i looked in google books ,

this came up,
[link to books.google.com] b&ots=cBljiWyRbd&sig=JOztZK0supRvAkNLNKY8hnA-uvU&hl=en#PPP1,M​1

a book called "Monkey See"
By Pete Grohoski,

if you can read page 5 then page 6,
i have not read byond this,
"Smiley Face killer"
is in there some where it's high lighed.

but those pages 5 and 6 at the start wierd shit.


[i found this searching, it takes you to page with
the words "smiley face killer". but you need to go to page 5 and read the start of the book, it's really scary,
if they are right, in how many people must be doing this
i can see at least one writing about it.]


3]...............
last thing i have been thinking about this is,
that the guys who are looking at this , need to go talk to the local tagger guys, the one's who spray paint,
they said the "Smiley Face", was only one of the things they found , a local tagger would know if the people are from there area or not.maybe know who the person is.
im shure the cops know who the taggers are in there areas
or go ask.
that would clear up alot if these have anything to do with the killings.
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sorry the other thing
i thought was,
do they have "frat gangs" ?

are there any secret groups with the frat thing that mite
be doing this?

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