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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 643593
3/26/2009 10:17 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Ok, just saw Larry King tonight, they said that Patrick McNeill was found with legisture marks on him, burn marks as well as fly larve on his groin that was from a house fly and that he definetly was held against his will before placed DEAD into the water! INTERESTING! I wonder if their are other marks on other victims that the police aren't reporting? The coronor said patricks case was definetly a homicide so why did the police rule it accidential? Are their marks or other evidence on all these other victims? The two detectives and professor Lee Gilbertson said it is a highley organized gang set up in different spots in the country working together doing these killings! Sounds like more evidence to come! |
| curiouslyanonymous
User ID: 643711
3/27/2009 1:09 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Ok, just saw Larry King tonight, they said that Patrick McNeill was found with legisture marks on him, burn marks as well as fly larve on his groin that was from a house fly and that he definetly was held against his will before placed DEAD into the water! INTERESTING! I wonder if their are other marks on other victims that the police aren't reporting? The coronor said patricks case was definetly a homicide so why did the police rule it accidential? Are their marks or other evidence on all these other victims? The two detectives and professor Lee Gilbertson said it is a highley organized gang set up in different spots in the country working together doing these killings! Sounds like more evidence to come! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 643593
I just saw that too, and it's crazy how the FBI profiler woman was so quick to dismiss the idea that these crimes are linked and not accidents. She was so rude with the face she was making while the other guests were speaking. Why do they (FBI) want to bury this as a non-story?
I mean really, look at the map of the deaths. Look at the victims and all the similarities in their age/physical characteristics/lifestyle, etc. How could all this all just be an accident.
I live close the the SW Minnesota border and there is a young man that went missing last year...very strange circumstances (Brandon Swanson, 19, of Marshall, MN). I wonder if that case is linked to this.
The whole idea that there is a group of people acting in cells and committing these crimes is SO CREEPY!!! I do believe women are involved and used to lure the victims. Not much else to add, but the whole story is fascinating and I hope someone at the FBI finally starts to take these four investigators seriously and actually looks into it further. |
| justlogic
User ID: 644041
3/27/2009 1:02 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Ok, I did not read this entire thread,but one question I have and have seen asked, but not answered,is where did this Trane theory come from and who is this mystery girl and how did that get started? Please post a link to that or direct me to some other source for the information. The links I followed didn't seem to contain this information.I just joined this forum so please excuse me if I missed something. My thanks to all of you.
Just because you say it with conviction.Doesn't mean I believe it. |
| bisquitzoe
User ID: 645061
3/28/2009 9:48 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Missing men from the Fraser valley, any connection do you think?
Fraser Valley, BC, Canada? What are some of the cases that you know of? Quoting: mercury2
Check here to find out about the "Missing Men in B.C." ~
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I TRACK QUITE A FEW MISSINGS CASES IN cANADA IF ANYNE IS INTERESTED IN FOLLOWING URL
[link to news.webshots.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 644961
3/28/2009 10:01 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
OMG, you should start a new thread on all these missing guys! Is there a connection with the smiley face murders in the US? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
3/29/2009 12:25 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Ok, I did not read this entire thread,but one question I have and have seen asked, but not answered,is where did this Trane theory come from and who is this mystery girl and how did that get started? Please post a link to that or direct me to some other source for the information. The links I followed didn't seem to contain this information.I just joined this forum so please excuse me if I missed something. My thanks to all of you. Quoting: justlogic
It would be easier for you to just check out the stuffucanuse forum and look for the smiley face killer thread.The theory was formed because the disappearance of a soldier was at the same time trane had classes.the local police dept was made aware of this and so were the detectives working on the case.
The banning tends to make it hard some to reply here.Now I will be banned again for telling you this probably |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
3/29/2009 12:30 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
We need to get back to the religious aspect. Footprints has a list of the other patterns except the fact 13 is the day of the month most young men disappear and I could not find their religious connection. I know this was discussed before but I could not find it. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
3/29/2009 12:36 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Ok, I did not read this entire thread,but one question I have and have seen asked, but not answered,is where did this Trane theory come from and who is this mystery girl and how did that get started? Please post a link to that or direct me to some other source for the information. The links I followed didn't seem to contain this information.I just joined this forum so please excuse me if I missed something. My thanks to all of you. Quoting: justlogic
BTW I already made a strong case for an air conditioning tech and murder in Tennessee.Unless someone can provide more evidence or some really good clues ,I think we should stay focused on the other coincidences. A lot of people looking for a smiley face thread find this one because smiley face is in the title. The other thread says serial killer stalking .Maybe a new blog is needed. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
3/29/2009 1:28 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
some of these theories would assume that the killer(s) know their victim's name.
So either it's someone that knows them (or has meet them) OR someone who's been stalking them long enough to find these things out about them (name, educational background, religious background, etc.) Quoting: KillerMermaid
Yes absolutly.Look at footprints on the rivers edge under coincidences.The killers knew their victims in some instances. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
3/29/2009 1:29 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Two victims went to Arrowhead High School. Jared Dion and Mat Kruziki.
[ link to cincipulse.ourtown.com]
Here's an example of SFK playing games with graffiti. "Key" = victims from Kentucky or with a 'ki' in their name like Kruziki. 'Lock' stands for victims in Lacrosse. Finally the 2 arroheads stand for Dion and Kruziki.
Sounds crazy enough to be true. |
| cursed13
User ID: 645476
3/29/2009 3:13 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i am kind of new to the sfk cases.my interest in the case stems from my interest in chaos comics evil ernie comic.
my avatars are of a character from the comic called "smiley".i dont think it has anything to do with the murders but the character sure is creepy.the comic started around 96-97 and has a cult like following.the comic characters and stories are a comicvine.com.
i just heard about these murders last week watching a media on cnn.since then ive google all the media i could find.i am very interested in this case/cases. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 645476
3/29/2009 6:59 PM | | cursed13
User ID: 645476
3/29/2009 8:36 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Ok, just saw Larry King tonight, they said that Patrick McNeill was found with legisture marks on him, burn marks as well as fly larve on his groin that was from a house fly and that he definetly was held against his will before placed DEAD into the water! INTERESTING! I wonder if their are other marks on other victims that the police aren't reporting? The coronor said patricks case was definetly a homicide so why did the police rule it accidential? Are their marks or other evidence on all these other victims? The two detectives and professor Lee Gilbertson said it is a highley organized gang set up in different spots in the country working together doing these killings! Sounds like more evidence to come! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 643593
this was the media i watched and first learned about smiley face killings.
wow what a thread ,took me all day to read.lots of theories.theres not much evidence if anything at all.
there are facts.the victims are within less .4 % variation according to the profiler,i forgot his name.i believe his profile is wrong.
its obvious someone/or more then one person is hunting the college bar scene.its always halfmoon so theres not to much light,just enough so they can do what they gotta do.
and in almost all these crimes the victims are with their freinds.and of course the local police are very interested in closing the case/cases.
those are facts.the fact that these started somewhere around 1997 and no-one and i mean no-one has even cared to begin to look at these except the news reporter and duarta and gannon is really bad.i dont beleive they/them will ever be caught.they follow a set of laws and only deviate slightly when they need to.other groups also follow very similar laws but they have different hunting grounds and hunt a different age group as a rule not a law.they have children of there own and they feels these killings are very necessary.yes there are women involved,they make great bait and are very ingenious.they have money and they use marijuana etc.im not sure about the latin gang connection at the moment since they kill for business and money and iniciation.they dont talk because like a earlier poster said they might have videos of them but most likely they fear for their families lives. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
3/29/2009 9:12 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I do not believe the latin gang connection either.I believe the crown represents something else.It is just a trick.I can not say more at the moment.There is always the danger of someone repeating a pattern if you post it on the internet. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
3/29/2009 9:16 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
There is a pattern of deception to throw you off.They use a very specific pattern .It looks like you come to a dead end with a pattern but it is not a dead end. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 645476
3/29/2009 10:00 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I do not believe the latin gang connection either.I believe the crown represents something else.It is just a trick.I can not say more at the moment.There is always the danger of someone repeating a pattern if you post it on the internet. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 626075
i have not really went over the crown pic yet.i seen the smiley face with the dots for eyes that looks like spraypaint with a fading line on each eye,that ive seen before but i cannot remember where right now.
is 20/20 going to do a feature? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 644961
3/30/2009 9:38 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
[link to www.youtube.com]
He hasn't been found yet right? I'm beginning to think who ever took him may be keeping him alive, just a thought! Maybe his medical training is what the kidnappers want! What were the majors of some of the other missing or found victims? Also i read a couple of the victims dads were cops or ex cops. Could their be a connection with these kids parents in some way? Also have the cops taken the computers from all these victims to see if theirs anything like websites or persons that may have in common? Lot's of questions, any ideas? Thanks, i still think it has something to do with the internet. The killer(s) have to find these guys somehow, my guess is the internet! Did any of these parents know each other or go to school together? Maybe it's someone(s) getting back at the parents! Just thoughts, what do you think? I'm wondering WHY no one ever see's anything suspicious. Friends, bouncers, bartenders, no one ever see's anything! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 645476
3/30/2009 10:38 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i dont have much info at the moment as im new to this case.
theres been so many bodies found in bodies of water so im concentrating specifically on the college kids for the time being.the thing about the college students is that they are all very similar from the reports and the one profiler said they are within 4% variation.with that said if these were people getting payback because there fathers were cops the victims would not be within the 4%.and only 2 of the cases are suspicion of a murder.all the others are accidental drownings when they should have been suspicious drownings thats a fact.
the internet could very well have something to do with it but i have not gotten to that phase yet.
the guy who made the profile for the killer stated it is someone who is not smart and is white and something else i should of quoted him but anyway that profile is way off.
this person/s are very smart if they killed 30+ college students.there is not 1 piece of physical evidence that i know of.i beleive these killers or killer are killing the same person over and over again,symbolically.they are killing a dream and a families dreams one after another because their dream or life is less then what it could be but mostly their family has suffered in some way at least they beleive it has.they are very cool and they fit in society almost perfect they blend in at bars obviously so they blend in just about anywhere.theres gotta be a glitch
that is my first profile not the last.
i think theres other people that escaped these psycho's
i know for a fact theres 1 in pa that escaped. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 641467
3/30/2009 12:00 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Trane - seems farfetched. However, here is another one that fits the M.O. of the Smiley Killer
Biblical Name = Ezra Malan
Sex = Male
Age = 22
Description : BM, athletic build, attractive
Location: Portland ME
Date: March 2009 (on going search/missing)
Activity before disappearance - drinking with friends in local bar, separated from them briefly about 1:00 a.m. , previously that night identified by police for tresspassing at a nearby boat marina.
Google will bring up current news stories. Quoting: Anony Mouse 640229
The bodies of the kids turned up in rivers.
Maybe they were moved from one place to their final place by BOAT. Hence there is no clues around, tyre marks in entry points etc.
Wonder what that guy was doing at the Boat Marina?
Lured there by a possible offer of sex from some girls???
Just came to me, so thought I'd post it. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 641467
3/30/2009 12:01 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Trane - seems farfetched. However, here is another one that fits the M.O. of the Smiley Killer
Biblical Name = Ezra Malan
Sex = Male
Age = 22
Description : BM, athletic build, attractive
Location: Portland ME
Date: March 2009 (on going search/missing)
Activity before disappearance - drinking with friends in local bar, separated from them briefly about 1:00 a.m. , previously that night identified by police for tresspassing at a nearby boat marina.
Google will bring up current news stories.
The bodies of the kids turned up in rivers.
Maybe they were moved from one place to their final place by BOAT. Hence there is no clues around, tyre marks in entry points etc.
Wonder what that guy was doing at the Boat Marina?
Lured there by a possible offer of sex from some girls???
Just came to me, so thought I'd post it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 641467
Sorry to add...maybe they were all lured to boats on an offer of sex and dumped in rivers off these boats. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
3/30/2009 1:34 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I think they come back on a boat to some locations and leave the graffiti later when it warms up.
Oh to what ever mod that sent a message about the bannings.My mail does not work. I cant e mail police with what I put together and it would take to long to make the case over the phone.I might just give up and post it all here. I have run out of paper,ink and had to deal with numerous paper jams just making copies. If the authorities are blocking my access
they may find out it will backfire. I don't get paid for this,I have a job,and I don't have a secretary. |
| cursed13
User ID: 645476
3/30/2009 3:31 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i dont beleive they use boats also i am disregarding the .4% victim profile.
i am considering really looking into the case.im deciding if i want to go through all the material pictures ,case files because it takes time.im gonna find out who the victims were and why they were killed. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 645476
3/30/2009 3:39 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i wouldnt start linking companies employees to the murders so soon. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 645476
3/30/2009 3:54 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i know the story of the one who escaped in p.a.
it happened in 2000. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 645476
3/30/2009 4:11 PM | | cursed13
User ID: 645476
3/30/2009 4:31 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
notice how the first thing the police say is its under investigation.all these bodies found in the water since 1997 and nothing untill now that the deaths have some attention. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 646327
3/30/2009 7:16 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I have a feeling about this Edward Lanphear guy who kidnapped 2 young guys from Johnnys bar in wisconsin rapids and held them against there will sexually assaulting them. Could he be involved with a gang or others that are drowning these college men, i wonder if the police have checked into whether he's connected via internet or somehow with these other sickos? This guy fits the profile if you read about the story, but he would need help as their has to be more than one person doing this! Does anyone else think he's involved in the smiley face murders????????? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 645476
3/30/2009 8:17 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I have a feeling about this Edward Lanphear guy who kidnapped 2 young guys from Johnnys bar in wisconsin rapids and held them against there will sexually assaulting them. Could he be involved with a gang or others that are drowning these college men, i wonder if the police have checked into whether he's connected via internet or somehow with these other sickos? This guy fits the profile if you read about the story, but he would need help as their has to be more than one person doing this! Does anyone else think he's involved in the smiley face murders????????? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 646327
he might have killed a few of them but not all of them.i dont see him using the smiley face icon. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
3/31/2009 12:05 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
They could be using different people .Runaways,drug dealers etc.Recruiting thugs has been done before. I read of one guy that recruited runaways to help him with murder |
| ATR
User ID: 645685
3/31/2009 1:28 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Just got done watching the Jim Jones documentary on PBS, and noted a probably 5' wide smiley face on the guard tower at Jonestown in Guyana.
Who knows what the fuck happened there. |
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