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| Jessa25_FL
User ID: 629667
4/1/2009 1:44 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
about a week ago i mentioned the killings to someone who had not heard of the cases.this person reads tons of books about crime.patricia cornwell etc.mostly fiction whatever but they read lots of them.
when i mentioned the killings they said one thing to me about them that no one had said.they only said 1 sentence and it does not really fit any of the murders and i dismissed it cause it jus dont seem to fit until i slept on what they told me.i have a few ideas of my own as to whats going on.some of the cases like i said are accidents a very few suicides too but the rest are murders.
for respect for the victims and their families i am going to keep the other theory to myself until i find some evidence that starts moving in that direction.
jesse why do you think of brian often?
Can you email me and give me specifics on your theory?
You got my attention with that.
banbury2007@yahoo.com
And,something else that bothers me is that brianspredictions.com seems to think that they have narrowed down a spot where they believe Brian's body is..........Well are they still looking? He won't respond to my emails. I get so sick to my stomach thinking that his body could be out there,just waiting to be found.
I'll be right back with a link to another site that I found through briansprediction.com where this lady goes into detail about a gay man and a couple of girls being involved.
BRB Quoting: Jessa25_FL 629667
BRIAN SHAFFER MISSING
It is with great sadness that we found out that Randy Shaffer father of Brian Shaffer has been killed in a freak accident. This is such ver bad new's Randy became a friend while Christine was on a trip to Columbus to help search fro his missing son. In fact he emailed Christine days before he died so its very hard to take it all in at the moment. Randy was such a lovely kind man and he wil be sorley missed by all of us.
God bless Randy you will be in the summerlands now with your lovely wife and son xx
Brian Shaffer went missing when he was on a night out with his friends. On friday the 31st of March he was spotted on the cctv footage outside the Ugly Tuna Saloona . He has not been seen since.
Any information reguarding Brian Shaffer should be passed onto the Columbus police dept. Or by contacting Christine who will pass information to them. You dont have to give a name please just say what you know.
Below is the clairvoyant information received by Christine from a photo of Brian Shaffer.
Medical connection( Later research revealed Brian was a medical student )
Trees near a river( This is near Rhodes park)
Gay man / ( could be a friend of Brian)
Sharp blow to the head and a feeling of falling over.
The name craig
The name palmer or something that sounds similar a lady callled Kim also got this name. Plamer bakery is not far from the Ugly Tuna is Brian trying to give some clues as to which way he was taken by showing this name.?
Trees and a square shape
Swamp Muddy
Rhodes ( research later found a Rhodes park in the area where Brian went missing from)
An older man is also connected and a church.
This older man is shielding others
If any of Christine's clairvoyant information rings a bell please get in touch.
So we can help find Brian
Christine feels that there is a female who is not coming foreward with the information she knows.
It is generally thought that a person cannot leave the Ugly Tuna Saloona without being recorded on the cctv camera. But you can I founda way go down the theater exit stairs out the doors and stay under the window awanings. IF you leave this way the camera does not pick up your image.
So did Brian leave this way ?
To see a picture of a man who she calls "dead eyes" and who she thinks may be involved go to
[link to www.christinehamlett.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 647653
4/1/2009 2:57 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
East Dubuque, Illinois has a bar called MY BROTHERS PLACE, Matt Kruziki was in East Dubuque when he disappeared!
Where did you find this out? Quoting: Jessa25_FL 629667
I live nearby! |
| Jessa25_FL
User ID: 629667
4/1/2009 3:17 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
East Dubuque, Illinois has a bar called MY BROTHERS PLACE, Matt Kruziki was in East Dubuque when he disappeared!
Where did you find this out?
I live nearby! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 647653
Here is what I posted on the previous page...
Matt Kruziki disappeared on December 23, 2005. He was last seen at “The River Queen Lounge” in East Dubuque, IL. The address of the strip club is 31 Sinsinawa Avenue. The East Dubuque Police Department is at 193 Sinsinawa Avenue. Matt was recovered in the Mississippi River.
That I got from Kristi Piehl's website sfkillers.com
So maybe Brother's Bar was one of the last bars but apparently "The River Queen Lounge" was THE last one.
Still strange that there is 4 of these victims that I know of that were at this bar,even though they are in different cities....is it some kind of franchise or something if it's in different cities? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 647653
4/1/2009 3:33 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
East Dubuque, Illinois is a small nice town but, starting around 11:00pm to 4:00am the strip of bar on Sinsiniwa Ave can be seedy! I spent alot of my growing up years parting there, it's the norm to head over the bridge after bars close or before they close to get a few more hours of drinking in, all of us did it! That was over 10 years ago, from what i hear it's not so safe anymore! I've been in the River Queen, we all have bar hopped there, it was a dive then don't know what it is like now, but have heard of prostitution from Milwaukee, Ill (read milwaukee magazine article on matt kruziki). There are nice bars though as i have friends that own a couple.
I am wondering if any of these other guys have went to see strippers before their deaths? Just a thought but strippers tend to go city to city! Not saying that girls did this but seedy people tend to hang out in strip bars! From the milwaukee mag article, strippers and their so called pimps were at East Dubuque,Illinois that evening. Some people think girls are involved in some way, whether it's to lure the victims or for some kind of revenge. Maybe we should see if there is some kind of strip bar or stripping association or connection( if i said that right)! I had a friend that was murdered in East Dubuque years ago 1980's, he was found in the Mississippi River with a blow to the head, he was at the River Queen that night but other bars as well( wonder if he was connected to this case because back then there was never any murders heard of in that area near East Dubuque or accidential drownings!) Strippers tend to travel a circuit! But what would the motive be if it is connected to stripping, prostitution and pimps? ? ? ? ? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 647653
4/1/2009 3:41 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I think the one owned in East Dubuque was the only bar the guy owned, but i am wondering if it's the same name, it's been awhile since i've been there, i will find out and keep you posted. Yes that's weird if there's a Brothers bar association with a couple of these guys!
East Dubuque, Illinois has a bar called MY BROTHERS PLACE, Matt Kruziki was in East Dubuque when he disappeared!
Where did you find this out?
I live nearby!
Here is what I posted on the previous page...
Matt Kruziki disappeared on December 23, 2005. He was last seen at “The River Queen Lounge” in East Dubuque, IL. The address of the strip club is 31 Sinsinawa Avenue. The East Dubuque Police Department is at 193 Sinsinawa Avenue. Matt was recovered in the Mississippi River.
That I got from Kristi Piehl's website sfkillers.com
So maybe Brother's Bar was one of the last bars but apparently "The River Queen Lounge" was THE last one.
Still strange that there is 4 of these victims that I know of that were at this bar,even though they are in different cities....is it some kind of franchise or something if it's in different cities? Quoting: Jessa25_FL 629667 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 647653
4/1/2009 3:49 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I don't think matt tried to walk across the icey river to his hotel like some things i've heard, it's too far and the bridge has a nice walk way, i would think he would have used that! Matts story is defineltly fishy I believe he accepted a ride because cabs are hard to get that late Especially on Christmas Eve. In the article in Milwaukee mag there's something about dogs that tracked him over the railroad tracks past the bridge to a nearby marinia, that is WAY out of the way from his hotel or the Dubuque Bridge. Read the article and the comments and tell me what you think! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 647653
4/1/2009 3:51 PM | | Jessa25_FL
User ID: 629667
4/1/2009 4:21 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 647653
WOW!!! That was a lot of information. I didn't think I'd ever finish reading it...
Thanks for posting that link.
Everyone should take some time to read it.
There is a lot of facts about the case that I didn't even know. There are so many layers to all of this. It's horrifying. |
| cursed13
User ID: 645476
4/1/2009 5:03 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i am posting at websleuth.com under the i.d. cursed13
if my post here fade i will be there.my avatar has a evil smiley face {christas theme}i seem to favor their forum. |
| Jessa25_FL
User ID: 629667
4/1/2009 5:48 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i am posting at websleuth.com under the i.d. cursed13
if my post here fade i will be there.my avatar has a evil smiley face {christas theme}i seem to favor their forum. Quoting: cursed13
I got banned there during the Caylee Anthony fiasco.....told off some idiot that felt sorry for Casey Anthony.
So I only wish I could post there about all this now because I know that there are a LOT of people that read and post there and there is a lot if info that they do not know.
I have a lot to say but I guess I'll have to do it here.
Do you think that you could post Brian's journal entries(lyrics) there at that site for me?
I would greatly appreciate it.
I want Brian's voice heard! THANK YOU SO MUCH IN ADVANCE!!!!
Even if they are lyrics,which I think they are,you can tell that they were his raw emotions,not made up stuff. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 647987
4/1/2009 6:04 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I am wondering how the hell brian or they got brian out of the ugly tuna? Did he go through the construction area doors? He wasn't seen going back out through the front, right? Does anyone know if there is an apartment above the bar? I am also wondering why his body hasn't been found in the water yet? |
| cursed13
User ID: 645476
4/1/2009 6:30 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i am posting at websleuth.com under the i.d. cursed13
if my post here fade i will be there.my avatar has a evil smiley face {christas theme}i seem to favor their forum.
I got banned there during the Caylee Anthony fiasco.....told off some idiot that felt sorry for Casey Anthony.
So I only wish I could post there about all this now because I know that there are a LOT of people that read and post there and there is a lot if info that they do not know.
I have a lot to say but I guess I'll have to do it here.
Do you think that you could post Brian's journal entries(lyrics) there at that site for me?
I would greatly appreciate it.
I want Brian's voice heard! THANK YOU SO MUCH IN ADVANCE!!!!
Even if they are lyrics,which I think they are,you can tell that they were his raw emotions,not made up stuff. Quoting: Jessa25_FL 629667
after i check to make sure its legit i will post it.
i am still posting here just there might not be as much
Last Edited by cursed13 on 4/1/2009 at 6:31 PM |
| Jessa25_FL
User ID: 629667
4/1/2009 6:51 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I am wondering how the hell brian or they got brian out of the ugly tuna? Did he go through the construction area doors? He wasn't seen going back out through the front, right? Does anyone know if there is an apartment above the bar? I am also wondering why his body hasn't been found in the water yet? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 647987
Go read my post at the top of this page. It will explain that if you want to go out one of the back ways there is an awning that you could croutch under and not be seen by cameras.
But that is not the exact wording of it.......
Just go up top and read my post and I gave a link to where this lady(she is a psychic) says a lot of things about Brian's disappearance........I don't know whether to believe it or what but she goes on to say that she sees a gay man in the picture and a few females.
Okay here is the link where she explains how someone could have taken Brian out of The Ugly Tuna Saloona without being seen on camera
www.christinehamlett.com] |
| cursed13
User ID: 645476
4/1/2009 6:53 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I am wondering how the hell brian or they got brian out of the ugly tuna? Did he go through the construction area doors? He wasn't seen going back out through the front, right? Does anyone know if there is an apartment above the bar? I am also wondering why his body hasn't been found in the water yet? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 647987
brians scenario is similar to booth's they nhave him on video entering and nothing after that.
brians body hasnt been found because it just has not been found according to the police.right now its just about exactly what happened that night.you cannot wonder about why his corpse did not surface yet.for all we know it did and the cops find it a bad adea to release ANY of that to anyone even his family as to not scare the hell out of the public and save his famely the true horror of it all(whats left of his family}the truth should come out.
i do not mingle in bars ,clubs etc.i never did like the scene.ive only been to a bar about 3-4 times in my life.
in the jenkins case they all dressed in costumes for halloween the night he vanished and that made it even easier for the killer/s.i know some of these victims made the wrong person angry and therefor died,or worse.
there is a killer/s that are killing these kids hes been killing them since 97 and hes working alone.he waits for the winter because it plays a part in the process.his reasons are his own.we wont know until we catch him.also keep in mind theres been suspects in pa,oh,iowa and ny.
the ugly tuna is soooo old and ancient and just a place id never go to but the kids go to whatever they can.i watched their online site/thing and it is so pathetic.i dont see why ANYONE goes there.its just like any bar peole drink and talk about other people most of the time.usually they can get ilegal substances their or find the person who sells them.the bars are just part of the plan. |
| Jessa25_FL
User ID: 629667
4/1/2009 6:59 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i am posting at websleuth.com under the i.d. cursed13
if my post here fade i will be there.my avatar has a evil smiley face {christas theme}i seem to favor their forum.
I got banned there during the Caylee Anthony fiasco.....told off some idiot that felt sorry for Casey Anthony.
So I only wish I could post there about all this now because I know that there are a LOT of people that read and post there and there is a lot if info that they do not know.
I have a lot to say but I guess I'll have to do it here.
Do you think that you could post Brian's journal entries(lyrics) there at that site for me?
I would greatly appreciate it.
I want Brian's voice heard! THANK YOU SO MUCH IN ADVANCE!!!!
Even if they are lyrics,which I think they are,you can tell that they were his raw emotions,not made up stuff.
after i check to make sure its legit i will post it.
i am still posting here just there might not be as much Quoting: cursed13
I understand you want to make sure it is legit.
I know it is because i have done the research and saw the tapes of Randy(Brain's dad) going to Gale St. John and Brian Ladd of briansprediction.com and asking them to help with the disappearance of his son. He then provided them with anything that could help including his journal entries.
And did you know that Brian's apartment was broken into about a week or two after he disappeared..........strange.
Why would someone break into his apartment?
Did this person(s) get close to Brian and realize that he could have left some kind of clue behind,like a journal,for instance.
I don't know....I'm just hopping from idea to idea as to figure out why someone would want to break into his apartment.
But after you read those pages out of his notebook,you'll see that he got close to some girl,real close. And I mentioned before that there is one that is titled "Brandon"
Now, I know that would really be something for WS's to pick apart and possible figure out.
Thanks again. |
| Jessa25_FL
User ID: 629667
4/1/2009 7:08 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I am wondering how the hell brian or they got brian out of the ugly tuna? Did he go through the construction area doors? He wasn't seen going back out through the front, right? Does anyone know if there is an apartment above the bar? I am also wondering why his body hasn't been found in the water yet?
brians scenario is similar to booth's they nhave him on video entering and nothing after that.
brians body hasnt been found because it just has not been found according to the police.right now its just about exactly what happened that night.you cannot wonder about why his corpse did not surface yet.for all we know it did and the cops find it a bad adea to release ANY of that to anyone even his family as to not scare the hell out of the public and save his famely the true horror of it all(whats left of his family}the truth should come out.
i do not mingle in bars ,clubs etc.i never did like the scene.ive only been to a bar about 3-4 times in my life.
in the jenkins case they all dressed in costumes for halloween the night he vanished and that made it even easier for the killer/s.i know some of these victims made the wrong person angry and therefor died,or worse.
there is a killer/s that are killing these kids hes been killing them since 97 and hes working alone.he waits for the winter because it plays a part in the process.his reasons are his own.we wont know until we catch him.also keep in mind theres been suspects in pa,oh,iowa and ny.
the ugly tuna is soooo old and ancient and just a place id never go to but the kids go to whatever they can.i watched their online site/thing and it is so pathetic.i dont see why ANYONE goes there.its just like any bar peole drink and talk about other people most of the time.usually they can get ilegal substances their or find the person who sells them.the bars are just part of the plan. Quoting: cursed13
There is also a pattern in when they decide to make their move..........the moon. They never strike when it is a full moon....usually only when it is a quarter moon. That way they have a better chance of not being seen(?). I'm only speculating as to why they wouldn't strike on a full moon. And they are only commiting these crimes during Nov - May.....but there are a couple that have been done in June and I think two in July. But that still rules out Aug-Oct and that's when there are more people out and about and a higher chance of being seen. |
| Jessa25_FL
User ID: 629667
4/1/2009 7:13 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I am wondering how the hell brian or they got brian out of the ugly tuna? Did he go through the construction area doors? He wasn't seen going back out through the front, right? Does anyone know if there is an apartment above the bar? I am also wondering why his body hasn't been found in the water yet?
brians scenario is similar to booth's they nhave him on video entering and nothing after that.
brians body hasnt been found because it just has not been found according to the police.right now its just about exactly what happened that night.you cannot wonder about why his corpse did not surface yet.for all we know it did and the cops find it a bad adea to release ANY of that to anyone even his family as to not scare the hell out of the public and save his famely the true horror of it all(whats left of his family}the truth should come out.
i do not mingle in bars ,clubs etc.i never did like the scene.ive only been to a bar about 3-4 times in my life.
in the jenkins case they all dressed in costumes for halloween the night he vanished and that made it even easier for the killer/s.i know some of these victims made the wrong person angry and therefor died,or worse.
there is a killer/s that are killing these kids hes been killing them since 97 and hes working alone.he waits for the winter because it plays a part in the process.his reasons are his own.we wont know until we catch him.also keep in mind theres been suspects in pa,oh,iowa and ny.
the ugly tuna is soooo old and ancient and just a place id never go to but the kids go to whatever they can.i watched their online site/thing and it is so pathetic.i dont see why ANYONE goes there.its just like any bar peole drink and talk about other people most of the time.usually they can get ilegal substances their or find the person who sells them.the bars are just part of the plan.
There is also a pattern in when they decide to make their move..........the moon. They never strike when it is a full moon....usually only when it is a quarter moon. That way they have a better chance of not being seen(?). I'm only speculating as to why they wouldn't strike on a full moon. And they are only commiting these crimes during Nov - May.....but there are a couple that have been done in June and I think two in July. But that still rules out Aug-Oct and that's when there are more people out and about and a higher chance of being seen. Quoting: Jessa25_FL 629667
I need to go back and see how many of these victims have disappeared in July. |
| cursed13
User ID: 645476
4/1/2009 8:12 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I am wondering how the hell brian or they got brian out of the ugly tuna? Did he go through the construction area doors? He wasn't seen going back out through the front, right? Does anyone know if there is an apartment above the bar? I am also wondering why his body hasn't been found in the water yet?
brians scenario is similar to booth's they nhave him on video entering and nothing after that.
brians body hasnt been found because it just has not been found according to the police.right now its just about exactly what happened that night.you cannot wonder about why his corpse did not surface yet.for all we know it did and the cops find it a bad adea to release ANY of that to anyone even his family as to not scare the hell out of the public and save his famely the true horror of it all(whats left of his family}the truth should come out.
i do not mingle in bars ,clubs etc.i never did like the scene.ive only been to a bar about 3-4 times in my life.
in the jenkins case they all dressed in costumes for halloween the night he vanished and that made it even easier for the killer/s.i know some of these victims made the wrong person angry and therefor died,or worse.
there is a killer/s that are killing these kids hes been killing them since 97 and hes working alone.he waits for the winter because it plays a part in the process.his reasons are his own.we wont know until we catch him.also keep in mind theres been suspects in pa,oh,iowa and ny.
the ugly tuna is soooo old and ancient and just a place id never go to but the kids go to whatever they can.i watched their online site/thing and it is so pathetic.i dont see why ANYONE goes there.its just like any bar peole drink and talk about other people most of the time.usually they can get ilegal substances their or find the person who sells them.the bars are just part of the plan.
There is also a pattern in when they decide to make their move..........the moon. They never strike when it is a full moon....usually only when it is a quarter moon. That way they have a better chance of not being seen(?). I'm only speculating as to why they wouldn't strike on a full moon. And they are only commiting these crimes during Nov - May.....but there are a couple that have been done in June and I think two in July. But that still rules out Aug-Oct and that's when there are more people out and about and a higher chance of being seen. Quoting: Jessa25_FL 629667
yeah in the full moon on a clear night it is brighter.they use the natural envirment as best they can when they can its really alot a common sense.during the evil winter is the best time because people are indoors and your odds for getting away with whatever increase,alot.the summer game is diferent then the winter ,there is a summer game though too.
the dead months change depending on the year it would normally start in october,november and contiue until march.
basically the winter season is called a evil winter.ever hear someone say its gonna be a evil winter?i have. |
| cursed13
User ID: 645476
4/1/2009 9:20 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
East Dubuque, Illinois is a small nice town but, starting around 11:00pm to 4:00am the strip of bar on Sinsiniwa Ave can be seedy! I spent alot of my growing up years parting there, it's the norm to head over the bridge after bars close or before they close to get a few more hours of drinking in, all of us did it! That was over 10 years ago, from what i hear it's not so safe anymore! I've been in the River Queen, we all have bar hopped there, it was a dive then don't know what it is like now, but have heard of prostitution from Milwaukee, Ill (read milwaukee magazine article on matt kruziki). There are nice bars though as i have friends that own a couple.
I am wondering if any of these other guys have went to see strippers before their deaths? Just a thought but strippers tend to go city to city! Not saying that girls did this but seedy people tend to hang out in strip bars! From the milwaukee mag article, strippers and their so called pimps were at East Dubuque,Illinois that evening. Some people think girls are involved in some way, whether it's to lure the victims or for some kind of revenge. Maybe we should see if there is some kind of strip bar or stripping association or connection( if i said that right)! I had a friend that was murdered in East Dubuque years ago 1980's, he was found in the Mississippi River with a blow to the head, he was at the River Queen that night but other bars as well( wonder if he was connected to this case because back then there was never any murders heard of in that area near East Dubuque or accidential drownings!) Strippers tend to travel a circuit! But what would the motive be if it is connected to stripping, prostitution and pimps? ? ? ? ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 647653
quote :
The River Queen is an uninviting building of smudged white brick with peeling black paint – basically a dive with a stripper’s pole. Curtis says Matt put $100 on the dance floor to get the strippers’ attention. Matt was getting $25 private lap dances, largely from a stripper named Diamond. She was 5 foot 9, almost 200 pounds, had a petty criminal record from Milwaukee, and, according to club employees, could pack a mean punch.
Bill Kruziki would later run address histories on key characters in the bar that night, and learned that several strippers, including Diamond and a woman named Cache, were from Milwaukee. Relatively transient figures, with multiple addresses and disconnected phone numbers, they have been impossible for Kruziki to track down.
An argument arose at the bar. “All of a sudden, there’s like a scuffle going on, and it’s Matt in the middle of it and like the two doormen pushing him out,” Lesniewski says. The doormen said they were calling the cops because Matt owed money for $300 worth of lap dances. Diamond would tell police Matt owed her for three dances.
The bouncer gave Lesniewski Matt’s empty wallet and flannel coat. “He [the bouncer] kind of just pushed me out of the way, told me to stay out of it, and they drug him [Matt] outside.” Matt ran back inside the bar and the doormen kicked him back out.
After this, Lesniewski says he got separated from Matt and caught a ride back to their hotel from a regular. Lesniewski told police he didn’t know where Matt was, so he waited until morning. Matt didn’t turn up, so needing to get home for Christmas, Lesniewski headed back to Wisconsin. His cell phone was dead, he had no money, and the car had only a half a tank of gas. Lesniewski ran out of gas heading toward Hartland and, ironically, called Chris Kruziki to come get him. Matt’s parents have never forgiven Lesniewski for leaving Matt behind. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 648152
4/1/2009 10:24 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Thanks for adding all that from the milwaukee mag article! That pisses me off that matt's friend left him outside without his coat & wallet, not to mention leaving to go back home without him! Some kind of friend he was!!!! It makes me wonder if Matt's friend knows more than he's saying! First of all you would leave the bar with your friend if he got kicked out and secondly you would never just take off back home without looking for him or contacting the police! Also it bothers me that the police officer in East Dubuque told him to get a cab and go back to his hotel, duh he didn't have any money!!!!!! Cabs are usually free on New Years Eve but i don't think on Christmas Eve. In the article it said dogs traced matt by foot to the pit that sits in a river bend. Tammy(who i know) the rose lady that has sold roses for years on Sinsinawa Avenue said in the article that the path he took was way out of the way from the bridge and "IF that's where he went, someone took him there," she would know the area she's sold flowers for years in ED. The article does mention strippers & pimps that were at the River Queen that night, the place the dogs traced matt is very secluded and out of the way, could the stripper& pimp took matt there to dispose of his body or to do drugs? Most of the people are from the area that hang out in ED, occasionally people passing through but most people know each other or have seen each other before, BUT THESE STRIPPERS & THEIR PIMPS AREN'T FROM THE AREA! I don't know I just have a feeling about the stripper pimp thing afterall they have crimminal records the article said. Everytime i go to the marina this summer i will think of matt and wonder what happened to that poor kid on that cold Christmas Eve! Let's check into some of these other kids cases and see if any of them went to a strip club shortly before there deaths. Remember strippers travel town to town with their male companions! I also believe matt was drugged! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 648152
4/1/2009 10:35 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
OMG just saw this, another drowning and he was kicked out of the bar by bouncers! [link to www.philly.com] |
| cursed13
User ID: 645476
4/1/2009 10:43 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
when? |
| cursed13
User ID: 645476
4/1/2009 11:08 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I am wondering how the hell brian or they got brian out of the ugly tuna? Did he go through the construction area doors? He wasn't seen going back out through the front, right? Does anyone know if there is an apartment above the bar? I am also wondering why his body hasn't been found in the water yet?
brians scenario is similar to booth's they nhave him on video entering and nothing after that.
brians body hasnt been found because it just has not been found according to the police.right now its just about exactly what happened that night.you cannot wonder about why his corpse did not surface yet.for all we know it did and the cops find it a bad adea to release ANY of that to anyone even his family as to not scare the hell out of the public and save his famely the true horror of it all(whats left of his family}the truth should come out.
i do not mingle in bars ,clubs etc.i never did like the scene.ive only been to a bar about 3-4 times in my life.
in the jenkins case they all dressed in costumes for halloween the night he vanished and that made it even easier for the killer/s.i know some of these victims made the wrong person angry and therefor died,or worse.
there is a killer/s that are killing these kids hes been killing them since 97 and hes working alone.he waits for the winter because it plays a part in the process.his reasons are his own.we wont know until we catch him.also keep in mind theres been suspects in pa,oh,iowa and ny.
the ugly tuna is soooo old and ancient and just a place id never go to but the kids go to whatever they can.i watched their online site/thing and it is so pathetic.i dont see why ANYONE goes there.its just like any bar peole drink and talk about other people most of the time.usually they can get ilegal substances their or find the person who sells them.the bars are just part of the plan.
There is also a pattern in when they decide to make their move..........the moon. They never strike when it is a full moon....usually only when it is a quarter moon. That way they have a better chance of not being seen(?). I'm only speculating as to why they wouldn't strike on a full moon. And they are only commiting these crimes during Nov - May.....but there are a couple that have been done in June and I think two in July. But that still rules out Aug-Oct and that's when there are more people out and about and a higher chance of being seen.
I need to go back and see how many of these victims have disappeared in July. Quoting: Jessa25_FL 629667
see if you can make a list of the ones that vanished on the 13th |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/1/2009 11:34 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I got banned from websleuths also.I don't see where they had made any progress.Some people try to steer the discusion(Blink 34)Her friends were even coming over to my blog to harrass me as did Blink.I gave them a tip a long time ago by email because I can not post there but because of their egos they won't post it.There are a lot of people you can see that have been banned .If someone does not like your theory they can get real mean.Accusing me of slandering the Trane corporation was absurd.Now she is trying to steer the conversation away from the graffiti. |
| cursed13
User ID: 645476
4/1/2009 11:40 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
how does the ban process work at sleuth?im jus joined and i dont wanna get banned iether.dont you get a warning first?
i dont think they will ban me. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/1/2009 11:42 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I think you see 13 a lot because with those numbers you can usually make 6 9 and 11 with the dates of disappearance.In the pennsylvania graffiti is what is probably a 6 with an 11 inside the number.It is also probably a 9.You are supposed to think the latin kings left it.Thees people are terrorists and a real threat .They were more of a threat to us than Saddam and those weapons of mass destruction .They are on our soil and killing young men all over the country.It is going to be hard for the government to admit they have been letting them get away with it for this long.Homeland security is not doing their job. |
| cursed13
User ID: 645476
4/1/2009 11:58 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I think you see 13 a lot because with those numbers you can usually make 6 9 and 11 with the dates of disappearance.In the pennsylvania graffiti is what is probably a 6 with an 11 inside the number.It is also probably a 9.You are supposed to think the latin kings left it.Thees people are terrorists and a real threat .They were more of a threat to us than Saddam and those weapons of mass destruction .They are on our soil and killing young men all over the country.It is going to be hard for the government to admit they have been letting them get away with it for this long.Homeland security is not doing their job. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 626075
alot actually vanish on the 13th day of the month.not 3+10=13 i mean those combos might mean somethin later but right now im talking bout the actual day of the month.the government dont gotta admit to a fucking thing.all peoples families want is the truth.
no-one cares if the fbi etc made a mistake just figure out which cases to start with and open them.or someone else will.
if my brother vanished at a bar id be there for the rest a my life waiting.
after 6 months everymotherf..ker in the place would be on pins n needls
that would be my 1# mission in life to find out what happened
Last Edited by cursed13 on 4/2/2009 at 12:24 AM |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/2/2009 1:13 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
What you have to consider is that the so called friends may not be friends but in some cases co conspirators.They probably got so comfortable with killing they may have even talked to the police. What i want to know is why isnt pics of graffit taken?TI know where I am they seemed to be more concerned that the park looks neat than preserving possible evidence.I sent my concern about not documenting graffiti in the park and got no answer.The FBI ignores me also.They don't know who they work for sometimes.In fact just about everyone I ever talked to that is a public employee here acts that way and they are rude and nasty,from the people at animal control,the dispatcher,administrative law judge and the councilwoman that does not have a few minutes to talk about a possible murder.Clarksville Tennessee has about the rudest nastiest low life working for them you can imagine. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/2/2009 1:16 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
your right the most common day is 13 and footprints does not even mention others missing on the 13 I came across.They also don't point out all the oddities like the guy that was at the Vibe bar and the guy that worked at the radio station the Vibe being consecutive murders. |
| cursed13
User ID: 645476
4/2/2009 1:20 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
he/they like 13 for its bad luck.they make it bad by killing someone.
killer13 thats what im calling him
he would be so predictable since he kills on the 13th
Last Edited by cursed13 on 4/2/2009 at 1:25 AM |
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