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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652405
4/7/2009 9:14 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Why do you think the killers are spelling out words, are playing some kind of sick games? Yes a couple of the victims parents were cops, strange huh? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652154
4/8/2009 4:06 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
A tune I just wrote--
"Gimme that old time Industrial Music..."
just kidding
L  |
| planetbarb
User ID: 648345
4/8/2009 4:14 AM
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Are there white slightly beat up vans connected with all this? I get creeped out whenever I see these. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652154
4/8/2009 5:02 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Where do you see white beat up vans? Are they business vans like trane vans or plain white. They were a wild goose chase in the D C or Maryland shootings.
One victim from EDEN Plains, Dan Zamlen from EVEleth. ???? Next Adam, or Cain something, or Abel or Genesis.
Soon we will be one step ahead of them. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652154
4/8/2009 8:50 AM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/8/2009 10:43 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Tricia acts like she is the only person that has feelings.She is being self centered.How does she think people should feel when they try to make a difference and get banned?I don,t hide behind a keyboard so if she includes me in that description she is as big a liar as Blink is.The Police know who I am.Perhaps she would like the serial killers to know my name and address. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652802
4/8/2009 10:44 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
What were the religions of these victims, maybe theirs a connection there? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652802
4/8/2009 10:45 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Tricia acts like she is the only person that has feelings.She is being self centered.How does she think people should feel when they try to make a difference and get banned?I don,t hide behind a keyboard so if she includes me in that description she is as big a liar as Blink is.The Police know who I am.Perhaps she would like the serial killers to know my name and address. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 626075
I often wonder if the SFK follows this thread, creepy! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/8/2009 11:07 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Tricia acts like she is the only person that has feelings.She is being self centered.How does she think people should feel when they try to make a difference and get banned?I don,t hide behind a keyboard so if she includes me in that description she is as big a liar as Blink is.The Police know who I am.Perhaps she would like the serial killers to know my name and address.
I often wonder if the SFK follows this thread, creepy! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 652802
Me too.I even wondered if Blink is a killer and that is her incentive for steering the conversation.I could believe the killer would do just that.The whole point of the graffiti seems to be to mock.If they did ban her it was very recent.Tricia can't say she does not know who we are.She has our IP.She had my name when I registered |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/8/2009 11:15 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I can not tell any one at websleuths this but it is obvious what they should do.As a group make the case for why they believe there is a serial killer,who might be doing it and why they might be doing it.Now we know there were some arguments and people got kicked out of bars without their coat etc.Did someone manipulate people to cause this discourse?Did someone do the same thing at websleuths that got people banned.Blink does fit the profile of what I imagine one of the killers to have. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/8/2009 11:20 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Where do you see white beat up vans? Are they business vans like trane vans or plain white. They were a wild goose chase in the D C or Maryland shootings.
One victim from EDEN Plains, Dan Zamlen from EVEleth. ???? Next Adam, or Cain something, or Abel or Genesis.
Soon we will be one step ahead of them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 652154
mmm that is creepy.
I do not know where they will strike.I think you could make an educated guess.I see this as being a lot of smaller micro patterns that have obvious jumps to other patterns.Sometimes those patterns may be in a short time frame or they might add to a previous pattern. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/8/2009 12:04 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Tricia acts like she is the only person that has feelings.She is being self centered.How does she think people should feel when they try to make a difference and get banned?I don,t hide behind a keyboard so if she includes me in that description she is as big a liar as Blink is.The Police know who I am.Perhaps she would like the serial killers to know my name and address.
I often wonder if the SFK follows this thread, creepy!
Me too.I even wondered if Blink is a killer and that is her incentive for steering the conversation.I could believe the killer would do just that.The whole point of the graffiti seems to be to mock.If they did ban her it was very recent.Tricia can't say she does not know who we are.She has our IP.She had my name when I registered Quoting: Anonymous Coward 626075
You should see what else she said in another email she sent but I guess this isn't really the appropriate place to be discussing this any further. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/8/2009 12:19 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
It does not matter.Like you said it is her website and if she wants to let her personal feelings affect sound judgment than that is her choice.She reacts based on emotion and her hurt feelings.I was right to ask to have my posts removed because they were going to my website and harrassing me.She did not care that I was trying to accomplish something.She did not care that I was being libeled.She only thought of herself.Maybe she is not a bad person but sometimes even basically good people can be bad.She worked against the greater good .I left webslueths and started my own site before the ban.I was not looking for conflict.She chose to be part of the problem rather than the solution. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/8/2009 12:23 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
and if Tricia was referring to me she libeled me also. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652802
4/8/2009 12:37 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
It does not matter.Like you said it is her website and if she wants to let her personal feelings affect sound judgment than that is her choice.She reacts based on emotion and her hurt feelings.I was right to ask to have my posts removed because they were going to my website and harrassing me.She did not care that I was trying to accomplish something.She did not care that I was being libeled.She only thought of herself.Maybe she is not a bad person but sometimes even basically good people can be bad.She worked against the greater good .I left webslueths and started my own site before the ban.I was not looking for conflict.She chose to be part of the problem rather than the solution. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 626075
What is your website? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/8/2009 12:41 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I offered a solution by leaving and her removing my posts.Her solution was banning me after I already made up my mind to leave.What can she possibly say to defend herself? All she can say is her feelings were hurt,it is her website and her rules and no one but her matters.Only until she admits that
it probably is a waste of time talking about it,but at least others may know what to expect.She let people stir the shit day after day and did not want to hear how people on her website were liars.She cared so much about her precious site,its reputation,and herself, that there was not much room left to be concerned about any one else besides herself. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/8/2009 12:45 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I took it down.I thought they were going to investigate a possible murder here,I was sick of the BS,and I was reluctant to put some information out in the first place.I decided to make the case again because I don't believe any one took me seriously the first time.They had access to my website.They were informed of it.Much of the info was sent by e mail to the FBI and other police agencies. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/8/2009 1:04 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I took it down.I thought they were going to investigate a possible murder here,I was sick of the BS,and I was reluctant to put some information out in the first place.I decided to make the case again because I don't believe any one took me seriously the first time.They had access to my website.They were informed of it.Much of the info was sent by e mail to the FBI and other police agencies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 626075
Hey check this link out :
[link to bobstruth.blogspot.com]
They have a few of the smiley face pictures that are very clear. Unlike some of the pics,you can see these very well.
And there is lots to read about how the FBI refuses to acknowledge there is a killer/killers. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/8/2009 1:13 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
nice site.I wish my audio worked so I could watch the video he links to |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/8/2009 1:24 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
snippet:
The murders all seem to happen during the school term of nearby universities. This suggests that the killers, the “Smiley Face Gang” pods are associated with various universities. Some universities have also stonewalled the investigation of disappearance of men students. One even took out a restraining order to prevent parents from searching for clues on campus. Nearby universities all have a “Women's Studies” Department where anti-men hate is being taught and practiced. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/8/2009 1:30 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Go here to see more clear graffiti :
[link to sopebocks.blogspot.com]
I can already read the words CLASS and DDICE in the graffiti. BTW, the smiley face is not readily apparent in this photo.
Somebody tell me if they can make out any more word in this pic. Maybe it's noithing. Who knows. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/8/2009 1:35 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
snippet:
Friday, May 02, 2008
Smiley Face Murders - Backlash from Pundits
Over the past few days, I find that several pundits are boldly proclaiming the theory that there is not a serial killer or gang of murderers on the loose in America's Midwest. These nay-sayers range from the layman to professional law enforcement officers. Some have vested interest in what side of the matter they call true. Their assertion -- the similarities in the deaths of 40+ young men is nothing more than a coincidence.
Being a layman, amateur sleuth, or whatever you want to call me takes the pressure off my career ego should I be wrong in the assertion that there is a Smiley Face Murder Club or a single serial killer murdering young men. If I end up being wrong, then that could be a good thing -- in terms of more lose of life and peace for many young men across the country.
Truthfully, my research and investigation is not even near complete. The vast mountain of data is overwhelming -- especially for someone who has to search dozens of resources in order to glean just a few bits of new data. I am not privy to police nor Nationwide Investigations internal documentation on the cases being examined. Yet, it took me only an hour or so of reading to see what I believe is a clear picture of serial killings.
Yes, I do believe in coincidence -- on a large and sometimes profound scale. I'm prepared to say many things could be a coincidence. For purposes of my lay investigation, I'll even concede that the smiley faces found at 12 sites *could* be NOTHING more than coincidence -- graffiti from locals. However, the order of magnitude of coincidence that would be demanded from documented similarities in the deaths of 40 or more young men is an idea I am not prepared to accept.
Without going into the information deeper than most have read in newspapers, blogs, etc., allow me provide the reader with data that individually could easily be written off as coincidence -- BUT, as a whole, is extremely hard to ignore.
1) ALL 40+ are male
2) ALL 40+ between the ages of 17 and 28
3) Vast majority are Caucasian
4) Almost all of the 40+ were college students
5) Almost all had been drinking
6) ALL of the 40+ dead were out on the town, for a social occasion
7) Almost all left friends/family and ventured out alone
8) Almost all went missing during the months when college classes were in session
9) ALL of the 40+ went missing during the late night hours
10) ALL, who have been found, were found in or very near bodies of water
11) None, who have been found, had major trauma to their bodies (GSWs, cuts, abrasions, bruises)
12) None were robbed of anything obvious
13) Most of the autopsy reports show cause of death as "drowning"
14) None showed evidence of struggle, which should be apparent, in a "normal" drowning accident
I'm sure there are more things that could be listed. I'm also sure that some pundits will take issue with the "almost all..." items. Fine... but let's not ignore the overall picture. If I were to write these facts out in a paragraph, it would make a compelling argument AGAINST coincidence and FOR the idea that the deaths of these young people are related. Let's see how such an argument might look -- complete with a few admitted generalizations:
Between 1997 and 2008, forty or more young, white, male college students have died (or gone missing) during the college calendar year. These young men had gone out for a social event -- most to party with friends. They left friends and/or family and struck out on their own during the late night or early morning hours -- but never made it home. Some have never been found. Of those who have, their lifeless bodies were pulled from Midwest rivers or lakes. The cause of death for each case is listed as "drowning" or "undetermined". Signs of obvious trauma were lacking and most of the dead had very little or no water in their lungs (as would be expected from drowning). Foul play is not obvious in ANY of the deaths. All of the young men were athletic and healthy. Are these deaths all just one big coincidence? Or, something else?
I submit that as data is compiled, more similarities will be gleaned. Even if the Smiley Face Gang is nothing more than the imagination of media and bloggers, something is wrong with the idea that we're looking at a huge, unfortunate coincidence. Let's not forget that detectives Gannon and Duarte, along with Dr. Gilbertson and Adam Carlson have holdback evidence and other information linking the cases together. Smiley faces were one piece of that evidence. We now know others (informants, witnesses, possible nickname graffiti). Even without knowing the full scope of the holdback, it is my opinion that these investigators are onto the truth -- there is a serial killer or group of serial killers taking the lives of young men. They need to be stopped -- and brought to justice. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/8/2009 1:37 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Profiling the Smiley Face Killer(s)
A user on godlikeproductions.com (a confessed "conspiracies" website) offers interesting speculation as to identity of the Smiley Face Serial Killer(s). OK, it's kinda far-fetched but it is a place to start. The GLP user suggests the SFK is a technician (and possibly helper) from the Trane Corporation:
"It looks to me like the drownings(killings) started in LaCrosse. A string of them. To continue the speculation: Perhaps this is where the technique was perfected. Some Trane tech. was working at the LaCrosse facility for a few years and made a series of kills. Then, as he/she gained seniority and experience, he started traveling to outside locations on service calls. Trane is big and has equipment all over the country and especially strong here in the upper Midwest.
I don't know though, because most of the reports indicate a lack of foul play. So how does someone kidnap a grown man, and kill him without any signs of foul play? Unless the police reports are lies, I can't figure that part out."
SHR, the Forum Admin, added:
"R-22 can be used almost like a knockout gas, with some effort, but not a ton, wouldn't be too hard for someone who knows a little about HVAC to use that. Has almost a nitrious oxide effect, people do get high on it. Cargo van....victims half hammered....Jugs of refigerant not out of place for anyone in the AC biz, roll your window down a little, the other window doesn't work, open the valve and sleepy time drunken stupor land for a short while. I doubt there would be a whole lot of traces of it either."
Here's another snipett where they mention us here at GLP :
FWIW, Trane does have a large facility in LaCrosse, Wisconsin, where at least six of the young men have drowned. If Jessiah Jameson's death is part of the serial killings, the speculation follows suit, as another member of the GLP forum suggests:
"They [Trane] do training in clarksville tennesee where jessiah jameson drowned. This is where the commercial units are made."
It is also highly likely (*IF* the deaths are at the hands serial murderers) that the person committing the crimes has a convenient means by which to transport victims. A friendly professional in a uniform, driving a company van, would also give most college students less cause to become suspicious if offered a ride home late at night.Hmmm...
My Initial Theory: We may be looking at a couple (or more) female serial killers. Before you write off that theory, think it over. You're an athletic, college age male, who's been out partying with friends. You leave to walk home or clear your head before heading back to the dorms. A car drives up with a couple nice looking young ladies inside. They offer you a ride... maybe a promise of "some fun" ... and a little something else to drink. How many horny college dudes would say no? One could answer -- the ones who lived. Others are the reason for this thread -- and hundreds more like it. The fem fatales leave a smiley face at the scene where they drop the unconscious or lifeless bodies of their victims into the cold water of the river (or local lake). Another intriguing idea... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/8/2009 1:44 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
According to this site
[link to sopebocks.blogspot.com]
* 32. Cullen Fortney, 21 (WI) SURVIVED
supposedly,this guy up above was able to escape.
I think that he was a possible victim but I don't know the entire back story. Go to link to read it if you want to know more. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/8/2009 1:45 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Truthfully, it sounds (to me) like a bad translation from an Asian language to English. "Evil Happy Smiley Face Man" appears to have been spray painted on a concrete barrier near where one of the "Smiley Face murders" took place.
"It's not just a smiley face. He’s evil, happy and he drew horns which are synonymous with the devil. He’s telling you he knows murder is evil," Nationwide Investigations' Kevin Gannon says, "I believe we're looking at an organized group that has a hierarchy and is involved in murder and other criminal activity ... If this was a random thing, we’d have a wider range of victims,” he said.
As the team of investigators offers additional information to the media, we learn more and more about what could be called the Smiley Face Murder Club. For instance, the original image of the red smiley face on a non-descript blue background was not the complete image. Above, you can see the (mostly) complete image -- one of TWELVE found at crime scenes in five states.
The scrawl on the right hand side says, "Evil Happy Smiley Face Man". There is also a lower case letter "r" and something below the letter (cut off in the photos I've been able to dig up). It's interesting to note that the writing looks like that of a female -- and the lowercase letters "e" (in Smiley and Face) are both written backwards. The smiley face has a cross or X on the forehead and horns on top of the head. Creepy! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/8/2009 1:47 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
FWIW, Trane does have a large facility in LaCrosse, Wisconsin, where at least six of the young men have drowned. If Jessiah Jameson's death is part of the serial killings, the speculation follows suit, as another member of the GLP forum suggests:
"They [Trane] do training in clarksville tennesee where jessiah jameson drowned. This is where the commercial units are made."
It is also highly likely (*IF* the deaths are at the hands serial murderers) that the person committing the crimes has a convenient means by which to transport victims. A friendly professional in a uniform, driving a company van, would also give most college students less cause to become suspicious if offered a ride home late at night.Hmmm...
My Initial Theory: We may be looking at a couple (or more) female serial killers. Before you write off that theory, think it over. You're an athletic, college age male, who's been out partying with friends. You leave to walk home or clear your head before heading back to the dorms. A car drives up with a couple nice looking young ladies inside. They offer you a ride... maybe a promise of "some fun" ... and a little something else to drink. How many horny college dudes would say no? One could answer -- the ones who lived. Others are the reason for this thread -- and hundreds more like it. The fem fatales leave a smiley face at the scene where they drop the unconscious or lifeless bodies of their victims into the cold water of the river (or local lake). Another intriguing idea...
You can click on that last part where it say "another intriguing idea" but you have to go to the above link I gave. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/8/2009 1:49 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
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In mid-2006, Dr. Gilbertson and St. Cloud criminal justice graduate student, Adam Carlson, are officially working with Gannon and Duarte. Here is some data on the investigators as known thus far:
Kevin Gannon
- Retired NYPD Sargeant
- 20 years service
- Highly decorated
Anthony Duarte
- Retired NYPD Detective
- BA in Criminal Justice
- 20 years of service
- Several commendations
Dr. Lee Gilbertson
- Associate Professor; St. Cloud State University
- Criminal Justice Department
- MS in Criminal Justice
- PhD in Sociology
- 16 years military service
- Certified Gang Specialist
Adam Carlson
- Criminal Justice graduate student at St. Cloud State University
- Former student of Professor Gilbertson
- Certified Gang Specialist
The investigators, who have been working unpaid on the cases for two years, met four weeks ago with Minneapolis police to present their evidence, but approached the national media after local authorities didn't act, Steve Jenkins (Christopher's father) said.
It was bloggers and the media who dubbed the reported serial killer(s) as the Smiley Face Gang or Smiley Face Murder Club. |
| MN Mom
User ID: 254206
4/8/2009 3:28 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
They are really going to have to patrol and watch the river areas.
IF it is the sfk, the "dump" should happen within the next few days or weeks.
They need to have undercover patrols at night all over the river areas and be taking notes of all late night early morning vehicles and activity.
IF this is the sfk, I have a feeling they will catch someone soon with the body.
JMO |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/8/2009 3:47 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Why do you think the killers are spelling out words, are playing some kind of sick games? Yes a couple of the victims parents were cops, strange huh? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 652405
This is why:
[link to surfdete.ipower.com]
snippet(the picture would not allow me to cut and paste it,of course,but you can go there and check it out for yourself)
Smiley Face Patterns
CLICK TO ENLARGE
The above map shows the image that appears when you connect the dots between the towns where suspected Smiley Face victims have died or went missing. The yellow dots are the suspected victim locations. The red is the basic shape of the mouth complete with a uvula. The white areas appear to be fangs and the towns of Moorhead and Beverly appear to be dimples. The evil look of the face matches a clue that was left at a death location in Ames, Iowa which said, "Evil Happy Smiley Face Man". This clue used backwards letters which was something often done by the Zodiac killer.
Because we believe that killings are still happening, the map pattern may change as more data is gathered. The areas including the towns of Terre Haute, Cincinnati, and Bellevue may represent additional facial features. et: |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/8/2009 3:59 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
They are really going to have to patrol and watch the river areas.
IF it is the sfk, the "dump" should happen within the next few days or weeks.
They need to have undercover patrols at night all over the river areas and be taking notes of all late night early morning vehicles and activity.
IF this is the sfk, I have a feeling they will catch someone soon with the body.
JMO Quoting: MN Mom 254206
You're right. That's what should be done but the police are not approaching this as a smiley face killer victim(crazy theory to them,they refuse to admit there are serial killers "on the loose").
Right now they are saying that this young man has the right to not be in touch with anybody. Basically they are not treating it as a possible abduction.
There needs to be uncover detetives at these bars,especially on the quarter moon nights(someone else even said hat a few pages back)and they can monitor if they see anything like someone slipping something into someone's drink or some girl's leading some guy out of the bar and also they'd be monitoring the back door. They could solve this if only the FBI would start an investigation.
Some of the victim's family's have already completed a petition for an investigation by the FBI. I think they needed 10,000 signatures to make that happen.
I think they may have them all but I cannot say for sure. |
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