The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane?

Anyone see posts at SFkillers about burned out vehicles in Utah. A utah U freshman from kentucky was found in a vehicle with two propane tanks in it to burn out the car and destroy evidence. Cottonwood was another location in that area of similar MO. About four of these so far?

Seriously I need a criminal experts opinion. Are these kills or hits escalating or am I just more aware because of the research on the internet. Faux news sure isn't reporting this kind of stuff,-- are they? IS IT ESCALATING OR NOT.

ok that is creepy-the connect the dots thing.
Did they get that idea from glp-maybe this topic or another?
We discussed it here before.

I took it down.I thought they were going to investigate a possible murder here,I was sick of the BS,and I was reluctant to put some information out in the first place.I decided to make the case again because I don't believe any one took me seriously the first time.They had access to my website.They were informed of it.Much of the info was sent by e mail to the FBI and other police agencies.



Hey check this link out :

[link to bobstruth.blogspot.com]

They have a few of the smiley face pictures that are very clear. Unlike some of the pics,you can see these very well.
And there is lots to read about how the FBI refuses to acknowledge there is a killer/killers.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]


Two GLP topics with the same title from a year ago.

The second one, on page one is where I posted "is the killer trying to make a smilely face connect the dots"?

For some reason, this "Trane" topic is the go-to for smiley-Killer info.

snippet:

Friday, May 02, 2008
Smiley Face Murders - Backlash from Pundits

Over the past few days, I find that several pundits are boldly proclaiming the theory that there is not a serial killer or gang of murderers on the loose in America's Midwest. These nay-sayers range from the layman to professional law enforcement officers. Some have vested interest in what side of the matter they call true. Their assertion -- the similarities in the deaths of 40+ young men is nothing more than a coincidence.

Being a layman, amateur sleuth, or whatever you want to call me takes the pressure off my career ego should I be wrong in the assertion that there is a Smiley Face Murder Club or a single serial killer murdering young men. If I end up being wrong, then that could be a good thing -- in terms of more lose of life and peace for many young men across the country.

Truthfully, my research and investigation is not even near complete. The vast mountain of data is overwhelming -- especially for someone who has to search dozens of resources in order to glean just a few bits of new data. I am not privy to police nor Nationwide Investigations internal documentation on the cases being examined. Yet, it took me only an hour or so of reading to see what I believe is a clear picture of serial killings.

Yes, I do believe in coincidence -- on a large and sometimes profound scale. I'm prepared to say many things could be a coincidence. For purposes of my lay investigation, I'll even concede that the smiley faces found at 12 sites *could* be NOTHING more than coincidence -- graffiti from locals. However, the order of magnitude of coincidence that would be demanded from documented similarities in the deaths of 40 or more young men is an idea I am not prepared to accept.

Without going into the information deeper than most have read in newspapers, blogs, etc., allow me provide the reader with data that individually could easily be written off as coincidence -- BUT, as a whole, is extremely hard to ignore.

1) ALL 40+ are male
2) ALL 40+ between the ages of 17 and 28
3) Vast majority are Caucasian
4) Almost all of the 40+ were college students
5) Almost all had been drinking
6) ALL of the 40+ dead were out on the town, for a social occasion
7) Almost all left friends/family and ventured out alone
8) Almost all went missing during the months when college classes were in session
9) ALL of the 40+ went missing during the late night hours
10) ALL, who have been found, were found in or very near bodies of water
11) None, who have been found, had major trauma to their bodies (GSWs, cuts, abrasions, bruises)
12) None were robbed of anything obvious
13) Most of the autopsy reports show cause of death as "drowning"
14) None showed evidence of struggle, which should be apparent, in a "normal" drowning accident

I'm sure there are more things that could be listed. I'm also sure that some pundits will take issue with the "almost all..." items. Fine... but let's not ignore the overall picture. If I were to write these facts out in a paragraph, it would make a compelling argument AGAINST coincidence and FOR the idea that the deaths of these young people are related. Let's see how such an argument might look -- complete with a few admitted generalizations:

Between 1997 and 2008, forty or more young, white, male college students have died (or gone missing) during the college calendar year. These young men had gone out for a social event -- most to party with friends. They left friends and/or family and struck out on their own during the late night or early morning hours -- but never made it home. Some have never been found. Of those who have, their lifeless bodies were pulled from Midwest rivers or lakes. The cause of death for each case is listed as "drowning" or "undetermined". Signs of obvious trauma were lacking and most of the dead had very little or no water in their lungs (as would be expected from drowning). Foul play is not obvious in ANY of the deaths. All of the young men were athletic and healthy. Are these deaths all just one big coincidence? Or, something else?
I submit that as data is compiled, more similarities will be gleaned. Even if the Smiley Face Gang is nothing more than the imagination of media and bloggers, something is wrong with the idea that we're looking at a huge, unfortunate coincidence. Let's not forget that detectives Gannon and Duarte, along with Dr. Gilbertson and Adam Carlson have holdback evidence and other information linking the cases together. Smiley faces were one piece of that evidence. We now know others (informants, witnesses, possible nickname graffiti). Even without knowing the full scope of the holdback, it is my opinion that these investigators are onto the truth -- there is a serial killer or group of serial killers taking the lives of young men. They need to be stopped -- and brought to justice.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]


Two GLP topics with the same title from a year ago.

The second one, on page one is where I posted "is the killer trying to make a smilely face connect the dots"?

For some reason, this "Trane" topic is the go-to for smiley-Killer info.

Here is the new Dan Zamlen website [link to www.finddan.org]

Here is a local station website
[link to kstp.com]

I think this thread has gotton off the TRANE theory, do we start a new thread for these drownings, or stay here after all there is so must information on this, plus when you google SFK this thread comes up!

I think this thread has gotton off the TRANE theory, do we start a new thread for these drownings, or stay here after all there is so must information on this, plus when you google SFK this thread comes up!


I was thinking about this and how these threads have gotten so bit that it is difficult to go find something on earlier pages that you need.

Well, remember how Paladin started the "Recession Proof" threads. Maybe we could talk to mods and Trin and ask if we could do same thing and then we could break them into different categories such as one thread for each alleged victim or at least one thread for a year and list just those victims in it for that year and threads with other sub-categories also. I'm not sure how it would best be organized but even ten categories would be better than this.

Even if mods & Trin didn't want to make it an official thing like Recession Proof we could break them down ourselves and always post the thread with the beginning the same. At least that way they would all come up with the search.

It might make it a lot easier. Just a thought.

Are there white slightly beat up vans connected with all this? I get creeped out whenever I see these.

I think this thread has gotton off the TRANE theory, do we start a new thread for these drownings, or stay here after all there is so must information on this, plus when you google SFK this thread comes up!


I was thinking about this and how these threads have gotten so bit that it is difficult to go find something on earlier pages that you need.

Well, remember how Paladin started the "Recession Proof" threads. Maybe we could talk to mods and Trin and ask if we could do same thing and then we could break them into different categories such as one thread for each alleged victim or at least one thread for a year and list just those victims in it for that year and threads with other sub-categories also. I'm not sure how it would best be organized but even ten categories would be better than this.

Even if mods & Trin didn't want to make it an official thing like Recession Proof we could break them down ourselves and always post the thread with the beginning the same. At least that way they would all come up with the search.

It might make it a lot easier. Just a thought.

Good ideas, some of you that are on here everyday what do you think? Or will all this great information get lost if we start breaking it up?

I can not tell any one at websleuths this but it is obvious what they should do.As a group make the case for why they believe there is a serial killer,who might be doing it and why they might be doing it.Now we know there were some arguments and people got kicked out of bars without their coat etc.Did someone manipulate people to cause this discourse?Did someone do the same thing at websleuths that got people banned.Blink does fit the profile of what I imagine one of the killers to have.

Dan Zamlen’s actual words were, “Oh my god, Oh my God, I’m slipping…”

One can only conclude that he was falling down, if not into the water.

Zamlen was also diabetic, a factor that might be connected.


[link to www.myfoxtwincities.com]

What were the religions of these victims, maybe theirs a connection there?