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| MN Mom
User ID: 265891
4/9/2009 1:35 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
These guys are not just "falling" or "Slipping" Or "suicide" into the river, this is a CROCK OF SHIT!!!
I live in the land of lakes, Minnesota! I lived in the red river valley for 30 plus years, this crap just happened lately like in '97 We LIVE in the land of lakes
The only true drownings, You can tell, the ice fisherman that fall thru, the snomobilers that fall through, the swimmers, or the boaters, This is something that needs to be completely investigated!
Serious Dan disappeared Early Sunday morning, it is now Thrusday morning, no sign? Its because the fuck sticks haven't put his body in the river yet to make it look like a drowning! PLEASE everyone do day and especially late night and early morning patrolling of the river!!
Worried mn Mom thats getting pissed and going to go all gung ho on the SFK!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/9/2009 6:40 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I think this thread has gotton off the TRANE theory, do we start a new thread for these drownings, or stay here after all there is so must information on this, plus when you google SFK this thread comes up! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 653187
Yeah, we've gone way off the exact topic quite a bit but this particular thread seems to really be getting a LOT of attention. Is that a good thing? On one hand we are making more people aware of how widespread this is becoming among the young men,our sons,but on the other hand,you never know
with all the attention...we could be bringing the killers here to read everything. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/9/2009 6:44 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I read some of bob's website. He has a psychological hangup on women. He could be Rush Limbaugh with all his parroting. ex. "liberal dykes" and "feminazis". Some of these women he is putting down are the mothers of the male victims -and who loves a son more than a mother? Maybe Bob has never experienced love from his mother. Maybe to him only republican mothers are loving. OMG-maybe he married a dyke. That would explain it. I bet he thought he could change her.
Sounds like he has issues about non-custodial parents. Maybe he is one. Those are his issues and shouldn't be projected on possible suspects. We all need to be objective.
Oh well, I'll try to separate the wheat from the chaff.
I also don't like the way he refers to the detectives. These guys are often putting there lives on the line. Inciting cop killing, like what is going on now on faux and right wing radio is reason to be arrested.
Do we want the good cops to quit. Faux---Stop inciting violence so cops can breathe easier and do their jobs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 652154
I agree with you but wanted to cut and paste a littl of what he wrote on the sfkillers.....anything else he rambled on about was of no importance to me. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/9/2009 6:48 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
That night Dan was missing, I was driving home from work on 35E to White Bear Lake, the rain/slush was falling 10:00pm.
It was a VERY dark, wet night. I had a weird thought around 2am I came to this site to read, and wow did I freak out the next day when I heard a young man was missing.
That night was very dark, slush and snow were in the area.
Yes it would have been slippery, but he was on the sidewalk walking, there is alot of brush to get through before the river.
And ya know, if the area he was walking in was so bad there was an easy slope to the river why the heck isn't it at least chained off somehow?
Even if he had to pee, he wouldn't have walked towards the wet icky area, he could of just peed and hit a tree, It was a very dark night!!!
This just doesn't make since!
Sorry if I am yabbering!
mom Quoting: MN Mom 653220
Do you know if it was a quarter moon night when he went missing? Very curious to know that.
Also,of course,they waited for a very dark and/or wet night....all the easier to make it look like he fell when and if they find him later. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/9/2009 6:56 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i dont know tricia but she felt the trane connection was going in the wrong direction and banned people.i think there is a connection matter of fact i know theres a connection to the hvac peopole.just last summer somebody from ny was shot in his car and the car was set on fire to conceal possible evidence.that was gang related.i also lost at sleuths using my cursed13 name and im gonna say wtf i want.she may have been pressured into banning people because for the mass killings there is gangs that commit those crimes and do much worse.the fire is just another way to destroy evidence.and these gangs from mexico are fucking monsters.they were disposing bodies in barrels a acid so its a real horror and they are now all over the usa.im not saying they are doing this here in america but their american business partners are.these cartels work with americans here.and theres always somebody gotta die and they can just shoot them or something else.they mix it up so they shoot people,kidnap,torture everything you can imagine and worse and americans follow the methods and in corporate some of tbeir own methods as well.those are gangs not lone killers.gangs,mobs have more influence over the populace then lone killers.gangs put fear into people so they keep there mouths shut.everybodies mouth stays shut specially bout the real weird stuff.like i said before they kill for so many reasons and then theres no reason they gotta kill cause its like a drug even better then the drugs cause the drugs do get boring.they gotta remind therselfs how much power they have and killing works.i beleive there many people who know who thmany of these people are and the groups and just dont wanna touch it.with the technology today antone can go anywhere in the usa and i mean anywhere without getting lost and make great time do a crime and return to where ever they left from and fucking laugh all the way home.these people have no consciens what so ever,they have killed many people,jus try to imagine if you have killed 100 people yourself,for business and pleasure.
think yopu could stop?i doubt it.i see all this getting worse. Quoting: cursed13 653279
One of my neighbors(and I do live in a nice neighborhood)
actually worked/sometimes works for a drug cartel.....he talks openly about it whenever I'm there talking to his wife......I've heard some f'd up stuff about it too but people,like this person I am referring to,only do it when they are desperate for money......I am not saying it is right,I'm just throwing tht out there. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 653265
4/9/2009 9:14 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
These guys are not just "falling" or "Slipping" Or "suicide" into the river, this is a CROCK OF SHIT!!!
I live in the land of lakes, Minnesota! I lived in the red river valley for 30 plus years, this crap just happened lately like in '97 We LIVE in the land of lakes
The only true drownings, You can tell, the ice fisherman that fall thru, the snomobilers that fall through, the swimmers, or the boaters, This is something that needs to be completely investigated!
Serious Dan disappeared Early Sunday morning, it is now Thrusday morning, no sign? Its because the fuck sticks haven't put his body in the river yet to make it look like a drowning! PLEASE everyone do day and especially late night and early morning patrolling of the river!!
Worried mn Mom thats getting pissed and going to go all gung ho on the SFK!! Quoting: MN Mom 265891
Good job MOM, I think more people need your attitude and need to be outraged about these killing drowning, then maybe the FBI and others will listen and take this seriously! The more we make a stink about this the more of a chance these will get solved! k |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 653265
4/9/2009 9:29 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I think this thread has gotton off the TRANE theory, do we start a new thread for these drownings, or stay here after all there is so must information on this, plus when you google SFK this thread comes up!
Yeah, we've gone way off the exact topic quite a bit but this particular thread seems to really be getting a LOT of attention. Is that a good thing? On one hand we are making more people aware of how widespread this is becoming among the young men,our sons,but on the other hand,you never know
with all the attention...we could be bringing the killers here to read everything. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 629667
Do you think the law enforcement is watching this thread thinking the killers are posting on here? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 653265
4/9/2009 9:56 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Even if it turns out Dan Z had a bad accident, there's still so many out there that aren't! As far as law enforcement watching the water area near these colleges it will never happen, they first of all don't thinks there's a killer, second of all they'll say they can't afford to put more cops on duty! Some colleges have students that volunteer to patrole the water area near these bars, but a small percentage i think. If college kids start becomming aware of these killings, watch for weird or strange things in bars then that will help.Every college around the midwest should get information sent to them (the kids) to be aware of this happening. No one should split up or be alone at night especially while drinking and always take your drink with you if you need to walk away go to the bathroom etc. Hold your drink in your hand so you can keep a eye on it, don't turn your back on it! friends should make sure they come together they leave together. Also do not ever except a drink from someone you don't know unless it's poured and mixed in front of you!! Sometimes when were young we think were invincible and bad things don't happen but unfortunatly they do! when i was in Florida in my 20's a well known bad motorcycle gang came in the little bar i was in, i went to the bathroom came out my friend said someguy bought me a drink, being young i didn't think, drank it, a while later was laying on my friend couch and couldn't get up or move much but was fully aware of around me, only had a couple that night, GHB or something was definetly given to me, thank god i had my friends to take care of me and get me out of there safe, or who knows maybe i'd be put on the back of a motorcycle and never heard of again!! I learned my lesson, i'm 40 and always watch and am puppies of my surroundings when out!! Hope this helps if young people are following this thread!k |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 640562
4/9/2009 10:12 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I can not tell any one at websleuths this but it is obvious what they should do.As a group make the case for why they believe there is a serial killer,who might be doing it and why they might be doing it.Now we know there were some arguments and people got kicked out of bars without their coat etc.Did someone manipulate people to cause this discourse?Did someone do the same thing at websleuths that got people banned.Blink does fit the profile of what I imagine one of the killers to have.
It would be very clever for the killers to start a website and feed disinfo to steer people away from the right track.
You can bet the killers are checking out these threads. They are getting off on it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 647387
Yep. And its creepy that it looks like the killers have used news stories as clues and to tease according to that pattern site.
"Trane" could be way-off,(or not) but its a good key-word to find this topic on GLP.
Other sites have come and gone since this started, but so far, GLP is consistent.
If GLP ever gets inside topic search back, it would be easier to link all the topics here about it.
Webslueths is not reliable. Chat-brats for one thing. Pages & pages of posters just chit-chatting, plus there are a lot of politics at that site.
Plus, you can't even use a gmail to register. (registration requeired). They only accept log-ins from people who verify IP-addy, like comcast/verizon.....net email.
Webslueths used to be really good and they even had criminals posting on the site. Now they are so paranoid that they make it look like they want to trace everybody who would post a message & send men in black to visit anyone who posts a message.
Of course that just makes it harder for the non-criminals while the terrorists & killers have no problem covering their tracks. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/9/2009 11:25 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Even if it turns out Dan Z had a bad accident, there's still so many out there that aren't! As far as law enforcement watching the water area near these colleges it will never happen, they first of all don't thinks there's a killer, second of all they'll say they can't afford to put more cops on duty! Some colleges have students that volunteer to patrole the water area near these bars, but a small percentage i think. If college kids start becomming aware of these killings, watch for weird or strange things in bars then that will help.Every college around the midwest should get information sent to them (the kids) to be aware of this happening. No one should split up or be alone at night especially while drinking and always take your drink with you if you need to walk away go to the bathroom etc. Hold your drink in your hand so you can keep a eye on it, don't turn your back on it! friends should make sure they come together they leave together. Also do not ever except a drink from someone you don't know unless it's poured and mixed in front of you!! Sometimes when were young we think were invincible and bad things don't happen but unfortunatly they do! when i was in Florida in my 20's a well known bad motorcycle gang came in the little bar i was in, i went to the bathroom came out my friend said someguy bought me a drink, being young i didn't think, drank it, a while later was laying on my friend couch and couldn't get up or move much but was fully aware of around me, only had a couple that night, GHB or something was definetly given to me, thank god i had my friends to take care of me and get me out of there safe, or who knows maybe i'd be put on the back of a motorcycle and never heard of again!! I learned my lesson, i'm 40 and always watch and am puppies of my surroundings when out!! Hope this helps if young people are following this thread!k Quoting: Anonymous Coward 653265
Yeah and,another important part you left out,if a girl or group of girls approach you and say they need help or they want to show you something in the bathroom(like maybe they're hitting on you)and they want to get you away from people that could potentially see something strange is going on.Or if they "need help" changing a tire or something.....DON'T GO DO IT ALONE!!!
I believe they are using females as bait but who really knows... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/9/2009 12:16 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I think this thread has gotton off the TRANE theory, do we start a new thread for these drownings, or stay here after all there is so must information on this, plus when you google SFK this thread comes up!
Yeah, we've gone way off the exact topic quite a bit but this particular thread seems to really be getting a LOT of attention. Is that a good thing? On one hand we are making more people aware of how widespread this is becoming among the young men,our sons,but on the other hand,you never know
with all the attention...we could be bringing the killers here to read everything. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 629667
I made the case for who at least one killer may be associated with.Don't worry about getting off topic. We can't make a case for the who if the police are in denial there is a killer in the first place.I would do an awareness video if I had the time and inclue the guy in the bar looking fine than stumbling around a few minutes later.My home computer does not work.Walmart is screwing me with their extended warranty |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/9/2009 12:27 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I thought of there being an Asian connection 667.Nnot for the reason you bring up but because a boat registered with a company headquartered in China showed up the same time more graffiti showed up. You may be closer to the truth than you knew. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/9/2009 12:29 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
NEW DEVELOPMENTS on Dan Zamlen :
(ABC 6 NEWS) – There are new developments this morning in the search for a missing University of St. Thomas student.
Volunteers have shifted their search to the bluffs over the Mississippi River, after police say a blood-hound picked up Dan Zamlen's scent.
The father of the 18-year-old, desperate to find his son, is pleading for the public's help.
"Here's a kid that's worth finding. Not only because he's my son, because he's exceptional," says Dan's father Dale Zamlen.
Zamlen was last heard from Sunday morning.
His parents say he's diabetic and he could be on the verge of a coma after going so long without his insulin.
All these new developments came Wednesday, which was the freshman's 19th birthday.
LINK :
[link to kaaltv.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652154
4/9/2009 12:29 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
667
Do you know if it was a quarter moon night when he went missing? Very curious to know that.
Also,of course,they waited for a very dark and/or wet night....all the easier to make it look like he fell when and if they find him later
The moon was waxing. Getting close to full but as others from that location have said, the cloud cover and moisture made blocked out the light from the moon.
[link to www.calculatorcat.com]
above shows the moon phase every day. I have it on my desktop. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/9/2009 12:33 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
here is what I wrote at the other site.Sane was already written and someone underlined it as if to emphasize it.
A boat was docked in Clarksville when graffiti appeared called Silver Boots.It said Delaware on the boat. According to records that boat is registered to POCTA International. There was a single car there early in the morning that was grey and had the letters HFK on the license plate. This however was not immediately after the disappearance. It was after I brought up the disappearance in Clarksville on the internet. They left an arrow which seemed to point to a door of a utility room. A message said go BIG or get covered. In the movie BIG in scene 11 Josh is called a killer. A lot of time has passed so I am now making this public for the first time.
I post somewhere else because I get banned .Than I try to paste a link and get banned again because they consider it an enemy site.It never ends.At least I get to talk more freely here when I can post,but damn they make it hard on me. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/9/2009 12:35 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I think this thread has gotton off the TRANE theory, do we start a new thread for these drownings, or stay here after all there is so must information on this, plus when you google SFK this thread comes up!
Yeah, we've gone way off the exact topic quite a bit but this particular thread seems to really be getting a LOT of attention. Is that a good thing? On one hand we are making more people aware of how widespread this is becoming among the young men,our sons,but on the other hand,you never know
with all the attention...we could be bringing the killers here to read everything.
I made the case for who at least one killer may be associated with.Don't worry about getting off topic. We can't make a case for the who if the police are in denial there is a killer in the first place.I would do an awareness video if I had the time and inclue the guy in the bar looking fine than stumbling around a few minutes later.My home computer does not work.Walmart is screwing me with their extended warranty Quoting: Anonymous Coward 626075
I've always wanted to see the video of the guy that you are referring to that looked fine,then stumbled around.
Can you give me a link to that.Please. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/9/2009 12:48 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I am looking for it.It was Josh Szostak. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652154
4/9/2009 12:49 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Ha-I'm always puppies of my surrounding when I'm out also.
(Sorry, it just struck me funny but we can't the young ones enough about keeping track of your drink.}
Once I was out alone, watching old friends playing jazz in a meatmarket type of place. I ordered one (espensive) glass of wine and the next thing I know I was moneyless, coatless, outside the bar, looking for my car. In a daze I asked a passerby for help (luckily an older real christian type person} who helped me to get home.
I'm not a religion espousing person but an evangelical christian once told me as a youngster that we have an angel on each shoulder and when we go through the doors of a bar the angels jump off. Good metaphor, to say the least. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/9/2009 12:56 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
4/9/2009 1:21 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
We might need to make a stink. I worry that this will become political. What if it is foreign terrorists involved from China? What happens to the FBI's reputation when people find out they have been ignoring the deaths of young men for 10 years or more? Do they have an incentive to find the truth?
If they do try to sweep this under the carpet it could backfire big time on them. It does look like that is what they are doing. The deaths are being called tragic accidents.
The graffiti links called absurd. I don't trust law enforcement. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/9/2009 1:52 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
We might need to make a stink. I worry that this will become political. What if it is foreign terrorists involved from China? What happens to the FBI's reputation when people find out they have been ignoring the deaths of young men for 10 years or more? Do they have an incentive to find the truth?
If they do try to sweep this under the carpet it could backfire big time on them. It does look like that is what they are doing. The deaths are being called tragic accidents.
The graffiti links called absurd. I don't trust law enforcement. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 626075
I wish I had said it as well as you just did. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652154
4/9/2009 2:05 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
On another site they are talking about the Satanic element to some of these drownings. Graffiti, stealing the neckchains with the cross from the bodies. I just watched a video of an old oprah winfrey show interviewing someone claiming to be a lt. colonel in the army AND being a member of the church of SET. ?????? He mentioned his leader as Levey.?! A kid in the audience said he had been in the church of satan, participated in a ritual killing and then freaked, went to police, and the cops found evidence in the graveyard where the ritual was conducted but no body.
Now the guest, the Lt. colonel in the Army, shamed the kid, said it had nothing to do with his particular brand of crap he believes in, but the kid to give names, essentially signing his (the kids' own death warrant).
If this cat is to believed, this Lt. colonel cat, then it evidently permeats all society. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652154
4/9/2009 2:27 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Dis must be da guy
Michael Aquino-a programmer, a satinist, a higher up in the government works on psychological warfare.
From this reading I understand the media can be sued by the Satanist Churches if they report on the ritualism because of the protection it receives from the us government.
[link to www.mail-archive.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652154
4/9/2009 2:57 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
So have learned our newly ex-vice president,shooter, worked or works with Aquino. He has/had an exclusive program that starts with J that reported only to him while he was in the wh and maybe still. They will do any atrocity for him to control the minds of people. His fav tv channel is faux and he loves glenn beck and rush limbaugh.
I don't watch tv but I heard that Limbaugh stated recently that he knows of now deaths resulting from us sponsered torture. Over 130 have been documented but oxy limbaugh will say anything. He can. And he certainly doesn't want to lose the allegiance of cheney or lose his vast fortune in court battles with the church of set.
Don't give up. Raise a stink.
This line of logic I am taking to explain to myself the lack of guts of our law enforcement and justice systems to do anything about the Smiley Face Killings.
Peace |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 653776
4/9/2009 5:27 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Ha-I'm always puppies of my surrounding when I'm out also.
(Sorry, it just struck me funny but we can't the young ones enough about keeping track of your drink.}
Once I was out alone, watching old friends playing jazz in a meatmarket type of place. I ordered one (espensive) glass of wine and the next thing I know I was moneyless, coatless, outside the bar, looking for my car. In a daze I asked a passerby for help (luckily an older real christian type person} who helped me to get home.
I'm not a religion espousing person but an evangelical christian once told me as a youngster that we have an angel on each shoulder and when we go through the doors of a bar the angels jump off. Good metaphor, to say the least. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 652154
I think the older you get, the wiser especially with experiences. I much rather have a cookout with my friends at home, eat drink & be mary, besides it's cheaper and closer to bed, ha! But if I go out I go with my 6 foot husband that's been around the block a few times and don't take no shit, much safer with him! THESE KIDS NEED TO STAY TOGETHER AND LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER WHEN THERE OUT! Afterall they still need to get out and have fun their at that age when life is fun, just need to keep an eye on each other in this time & age! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 653776
4/9/2009 6:40 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 626075
In one case in New York one of the victims was stalked, drugged and tied to a chair before his body was slipped into the water, the investigator said. I wish we knew more info on this one, how do they know he was stalked? How do they know he was tied to a CHAIR, must have been marks? What kind of DRUG showed up in his system? How many other victims had similar marks etc that weren't put in police reports? I think the law enforcement knows what type of group their dealing with and for some reason turning their heads on this!!! Are they scared of these people doing these crimes, are they covering up for them, or do they just know the group is so huge they think they can't do anything about it? Come on something is f...ed up with this that high law enforcement isn't pursuing this!! There's just way to much info and bodies being found that have so much in common and it's not just drunk kids falling into lakes & rivers!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's sad but like I said before, if it was women, the police would announce that there's a serial killer on the loose! Let's just hope they don't go to women too, OMG that would be horrible! That scare's me because serial killers in the past have been known to change their mo! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 653776
4/9/2009 7:13 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Dis must be da guy
Michael Aquino-a programmer, a satinist, a higher up in the government works on psychological warfare.
From this reading I understand the media can be sued by the Satanist Churches if they report on the ritualism because of the protection it receives from the us government.
[ link to www.mail-archive.com]
That is freaky, there's probably a lot higher officials, political people involved in satanism then we could ever imagine. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/9/2009 7:36 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
[ link to www.youtube.com]
In one case in New York one of the victims was stalked, drugged and tied to a chair before his body was slipped into the water, the investigator said. I wish we knew more info on this one, how do they know he was stalked? How do they know he was tied to a CHAIR, must have been marks? What kind of DRUG showed up in his system? How many other victims had similar marks etc that weren't put in police reports? I think the law enforcement knows what type of group their dealing with and for some reason turning their heads on this!!! Are they scared of these people doing these crimes, are they covering up for them, or do they just know the group is so huge they think they can't do anything about it? Come on something is f...ed up with this that high law enforcement isn't pursuing this!! There's just way to much info and bodies being found that have so much in common and it's not just drunk kids falling into lakes & rivers!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's sad but like I said before, if it was women, the police would announce that there's a serial killer on the loose! Let's just hope they don't go to women too, OMG that would be horrible! That scare's me because serial killers in the past have been known to change their mo!
Yeah, I wish I knew that victims name that they feel was held and tortured and tied to a chair(there must've been marks).
And I wish I could remember where I saw a video about a mother of one of these victims saying that she knew her son was held and tortured....was this Chris Jenkins mom....Damn I can't remember but I know I seen that video somewhere.
I need to keep this stuff better organized so I can always back up what I say with links like I normally do. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/9/2009 7:57 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Okay so I went back to another site and found this on Chris Jenkins :
After corresponding with the Jenkins family, I have learned they do not believe Chris ever walked across the Hennepin Avenue bridge that night. "There were two surveillance cameras on the Federal Reserve Bank pointing to the Hennepin Avenue Bridge," says Jan Jenkins, Chris' mom. "This was post 9-11, clearly good equipment. We have written documentation from the supervisor that more than one person viewed the tapes from both cameras late on the 31st and early on Nov.1. Chris was not seen on the tape. We do not believe Chris walked across that bridge. The supervisor told the FBI that it would be almost impossible for a person to sprint across that bridge & not be seen. For various reasons, we believe he was thrown in the back of a van - abducted, tortured, and eventually murdered. He was not alive when placed in the water. "
There is a lot more here
Link:
[link to footprintsattheriversedge.blogspot.com]
Here is another snippet from the same page:
Case Reopened
When a new police chief was hired for the city of Minneapolis, the Jenkins family brought him the leads uncovered by the private investigator. The chief agreed that the case had not been thoroughly investigated, and he reopened the case.
Death reclassified as homicide
An eyewitness to crime (someone in jail and reportedly facing felony charges for another crime) stepped forward to claim he was present when Chris was thrown off the bridge. At a press conference, police would not say which bridge was identified, but it was later reported that the inmate told investigators that after robbing Chris, his acquaintance was angry that Chris had nothing of value and threw him off the Hennepin Avenue bridge. It is not known whether the eyewitness was involved in the crime or only providing information to bargain for leniency. The death was reclassified as a homicide.
Where did Chris enter the water?
Loesch believed it unlikely that Chris was thrown off a bridge. If Chris had been thrown into the river's current, his oversized, slip-on ankle-high boots would never have stayed on his feet. But if a bridge was involved, it seems unlikely it was the Hennepin Avenue bridge. The physical layout of the bridge and cables surrounding it would have made it nearly impossible to throw anyone in without hitting the support beam or surrounding cables. The killer would have had to lift Chris up over the high railing, throw him 4- to 5-feet out over the support beam, avoiding the cables in the process. (I would also add that someone would have seen this happen. The bridge is brightly lit and has heavy traffic. It seems much more likely that Chris entered the water from the riverbank.) According to documents from the case, experts having varying opinions about whether Chris entered the water near the Hennepin Avenue bridge or further up stream. The entry point would be significant--if Chris entered the water further upstream, it would point to a vehicle being involved in the crime.
There is more there to read. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629667
4/9/2009 7:59 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
There's a lot of troubling things about the Chris Jenkins case.
To me, the manner of the body fits well with the ritual behavior associated with a serial killer. (By ritual, meaning the killer does something to the body, like a routine and not necesarily relating to the occult.)
Chris was found floating on his back, odd for a drowning, his clothes were tucked in and his shoes were on his feet. This is odd for a drowning.
Chris Jenkin's arms were crossed and he had clumps of his own hair in his closed fists. (DNA test 4 years later)
I also do not believe that Chris was thrown off the bridge. The manner of the body suggests that he was placed into the water and not thrown off a bridge. Not only that, but the manner of the body suggests that Chris was dead when he was placed into the water.
The cops dropped the ball big time with this case. Because it wasn't ruled a homicide, key evidence was destroyed and testimoney was never taken. (For example there were 2 off duty police officers at the bar the night Chris disappeared. It is claimed that they befriended his girlfriend.) |
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