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The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane?

 
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anyone familiar to this forum knows that my cousin was abducted in early February.


His body has found and identified in a river not far from Middlebury college. Nicholas Garza [link to www.nicholasgarza.org]

The Killer:

Detectives have reason to believe that this smiley face killer is not one but a gang of killers who abduct , torture and drown victims ......communications from from my aunt states in one way or another they coordinate, communicate and even boast about the crimes committed online.......they use online technology to sophisticate the murders. I do not know if this is how they find the victims. Some how they know when to find them vulnerable.......which may explain the uncanny similarity to all these murders.

The information I just received from my mom is this is no one particular person committing these murders.

I am waiting to here from my family to see what the autopsy reveals.

Detectives believe there may be a connection. however the media says there is no signs of foul play....The media is incorrect as they have been through the whole situation. I can only tell you my personal experience with what is happening to my family, what is communicated And , upon my own personal research.


I read this post when it was first posted, for some reason it caught my eye........this evening my mom called me with the latest report on Nick, and stated that Nicks death falls right inline with the previous murders.

I hope to know more tomorrow I hope, but....it is confirmed Nicholas Garza, mi familia el corazon has been found deceased.

He can now be in peace, and our family can lay him to rest.
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It will be interesting to know what the investigators theory for so many victims in minnesota and wisconsin.

why on eath would this serial killer thread be deleted here?How could they find it offensive?


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I am very interested in this line of inquiry. Six of the 'smiley face' victims disappeared in La Crosse - former headquarters of Trane. There is the Clarkville connection with Jessiah Jameson. There is a young man (handsome, smart, popular) who disappeared from Middlebury College in Middlebury Vermont February 5th - he'd been drinking with friends, then simply vanished with no trace. His body has not yet been found but there is reason to believe he is in the nearby Otter Creek. His name is Nick Garza.

According to their client list, Trane has an active contract with Middlebury College.

Does anyone have any new information connecting Trane to the 'smiley face' story? What lead to the initial poster's theory formation? Who are the "girls" mentioned in the smiley face/ventilation post?

The idea of a female killer interests me for this case. These are strapping young men with high pain tolerance due to intoxication. It would be nearly impossible for an average person to overpower and kill them. And indeed, it seems further unlikely as there are no signs of struggle, restraint, or trauma on the victims bodies. It seems like the killer must have the element of surprise/affinity on their side. A female killer?

Molly
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who are you molly do you go to middleburry, how do you know nick....
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Maybe the drug referred to as the Devils breath is being used
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I may be completely out here but has anyone read the mayday mysteries.I've been reading them for a few years.

Their announcements often end with a smiley face on the bottom.Nobody can fathom these messages out as it's coded.The smiley faces just struck a chord.
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anyone familiar to this forum knows that my cousin was abducted in early February.


His body has found and identified in a river not far from Middlebury college. Nicholas Garza [link to www.nicholasgarza.org]

The Killer:

Detectives have reason to believe that this smiley face killer is not one but a gang of killers who abduct , torture and drown victims ......communications from from my aunt states in one way or another they coordinate, communicate and even boast about the crimes committed online.......they use online technology to sophisticate the murders. I do not know if this is how they find the victims. Some how they know when to find them vulnerable.......which may explain the uncanny similarity to all these murders.

The information I just received from my mom is this is no one particular person committing these murders.

I am waiting to here from my family to see what the autopsy reveals.

Detectives believe there may be a connection. however the media says there is no signs of foul play....The media is incorrect as they have been through the whole situation. I can only tell you my personal experience with what is happening to my family, what is communicated And , upon my own personal research.


I read this post when it was first posted, for some reason it caught my eye........this evening my mom called me with the latest report on Nick, and stated that Nicks death falls right inline with the previous murders.

I hope to know more tomorrow I hope, but....it is confirmed Nicholas Garza, mi familia el corazon has been found deceased.

He can now be in peace, and our family can lay him to rest.



that was my post (jezebella) ....fucker timed out


here is the recovery link [link to helpfindthemissing.org]
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I'm glad you posted. I hope your family has peace now that his body was found.

Has a smiley face been found in the area where he went missing, closest to the water?
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My GOD, we have two people on this thread with cousins who have been killed and they both seem related to the smiley face killings. One in Pennsylvania, one in Vermont.
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'federico' mean anything?
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Nobody responded to this question. What made you ask this?
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Oddly enough, there is an HVAC vacuum pump made by Refco that has a smiley face on it.

[link to www.refcoswiss.com]

Eric
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OK, here's a bizarre wacky theory for you...

Could one of those vacuum pumps possibly be used as a murder weapon?

Most of the victims appear to have died due to "suffocation", but their lungs are relatively dry, in spite of the presence of water where the bodies were found.

?
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Maybe the drug referred to as the Devils breath is being used
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What is that?
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I may be completely out here but has anyone read the mayday mysteries.I've been reading them for a few years.

Their announcements often end with a smiley face on the bottom.Nobody can fathom these messages out as it's coded.The smiley faces just struck a chord.
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What are the Mayday Mysteries and where can we read them?
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What are the Mayday Mysteries and where can we read them?
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[link to www.maydaymystery.org]
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were all the dead,
that even one is talkng about,

good normal people?

when the lady wrote about garza ,
here glp, he was like, the best of the best,


are all the people killed, smart caring normal people?
is that the thing?

one of you smart fast people out look up the people,
see if they were or atleast most of them are normal smart
people.

if they are all smart normal good young people,
mabye it's some group in side the school system.
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federico is an hvac company i have been on jobsites in San Fran
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Oddly enough, there is an HVAC vacuum pump made by Refco that has a smiley face on it.

[link to www.refcoswiss.com]

Eric

OK, here's a bizarre wacky theory for you...

Could one of those vacuum pumps possibly be used as a murder weapon?

Most of the victims appear to have died due to "suffocation", but their lungs are relatively dry, in spite of the presence of water where the bodies were found.

?
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Hello again,

It might be possible to turn a vacuum pump into a weapon. You would need a tight fitting facemask, and a way to connect it to the vacuum pump. You would also have to restrain the victim as it would take maybe a couple minutes for the victim to pass out. Also most commercial vacuum pumps work off of 120V. So you would need a generator and electrical cord.

I read where one of the common threads in the murder is that the victim is seen talking with one or more girls before disappearing. Trane has hired numerous female technicians in the last few years. So a female technician is not out of the question.

I think you guys might be on the right track. Keep up the good work.

The Mayor
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Critical Discovery in Garza Search

[link to www.wcax.com]
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so they find or not?
i though some said they had found him?
whats up then?
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How do you know she got banned???

I don't know, but she posted a link to a site that isn't allowed to be linked to here, which is a policy for a legitimate reason. Anyway she won't know that. Hope that didn't mess you up Molly!

The system automatically substitutes "butterfly" for the real name of the site. And I must be nuts to be talking about this. I have been on GLP ALL DAY obsessing about these murder threads! No wonder I'm getting weird and crabby! I better log off! So many good posts today on both these serial killer threads. Good sleuthing from GLPers!
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Which is why they should put a permanat sticky up listing the sites that cannot be linked to so this will not happen to people. There are few other sites on the entire Internet that autoban without giving fair warning.
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anyone familiar to this forum knows that my cousin was abducted in early February.


His body has found and identified in a river not far from Middlebury college. Nicholas Garza [link to www.nicholasgarza.org]

The Killer:

Detectives have reason to believe that this smiley face killer is not one but a gang of killers who abduct , torture and drown victims ......communications from from my aunt states in one way or another they coordinate, communicate and even boast about the crimes committed online.......they use online technology to sophisticate the murders. I do not know if this is how they find the victims. Some how they know when to find them vulnerable.......which may explain the uncanny similarity to all these murders.

The information I just received from my mom is this is no one particular person committing these murders.

I am waiting to here from my family to see what the autopsy reveals.

Detectives believe there may be a connection. however the media says there is no signs of foul play....The media is incorrect as they have been through the whole situation. I can only tell you my personal experience with what is happening to my family, what is communicated And , upon my own personal research.


I read this post when it was first posted, for some reason it caught my eye........this evening my mom called me with the latest report on Nick, and stated that Nicks death falls right inline with the previous murders.

I hope to know more tomorrow I hope, but....it is confirmed Nicholas Garza, mi familia el corazon has been found deceased.

He can now be in peace, and our family can lay him to rest.
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The media and authorites are the first to shout "no signs of foul play" "no connection to terrorism"

Our sympathies for your families loss.
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Interesting thread here. I hope the smiley killer(s) are found and soon. And I feel for those that have been effected by these crimes.

Interesting about these Trane/HVAC theories. I have no insights into Trane, but they also own/partner with other brands perhaps widening the scope or sphere of influence.

As for the refrigerant effects, breathing R22 just decreases the oxygen intake. Kids have been trying to get a 'buzz' off of refrigerant for years, but really they are just asphyxiating/(depriving oxygen) themselves.

Creepy the thought of suffocation from R22 and then 'vacing' out the lungs leaving little trace of anything. I just don't know how practical this would be. The 120v problem can be resolved via transformer from 12v car sig outlet.

Also that brand of vac unit linked above with the smiley face appears to be a small automotive grade vac. Nothing that a pro HVAC Tech would use in commercial applications. And nothing that I have seen before. But very 'coincidental' and again weird.

One more thought, when R22 is added to an open flame the resulting gas can be very dangerous (I've heard deadly, but I don't know if this is just talk or a result of the asphyxiating that could naturally result).
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It might be possible to turn a vacuum pump into a weapon. You would need a tight fitting face mask, and a way to connect it to the vacuum pump. You would also have to restrain the victim as it would take maybe a couple minutes for the victim to pass out. Also most commercial vacuum pumps work off of 120V. So you would need a generator and electrical cord.

The Mayor
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As to the part about requiring a generator and 120 volt ac.

I presume Trane service vehicles would be outfitted with 120 volt from 12 volt battery supply power converter units.

Not a problem for even relatively technically unskilled people.
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It might be possible to turn a vacuum pump into a weapon. You would need a tight fitting face mask, and a way to connect it to the vacuum pump. You would also have to restrain the victim as it would take maybe a couple minutes for the victim to pass out. Also most commercial vacuum pumps work off of 120V. So you would need a generator and electrical cord.

The Mayor
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As to the part about requiring a generator and 120 volt ac.

I presume Trane service vehicles would be outfitted with 120 volt from 12 volt battery supply power converter units.

Not a problem for even relatively technically unskilled people.
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i did a summary of the
theory if anyone wants to cut n paste and put it somewhere.

Godlike productions.com tries to stop a killer


On a forum called godlike productions.com they have come up with a theory of a serial killer murdering young men,mostly students,around the midwest and east coast.14 deaths of young men have been counted so far, all less then 10 miles from a Trane factory.The theory goes something like this.



The victims get stuck with a needle-knocked out-it is not enough to be detected with tests ,but does the job until they get them in the back of their vehicle.they then keep them sedated with refrigerant-r22,while they sit in the front with the windows cracked open.since they are an air conditioner technician they travel to Wisconsin,White Bear Lake,Columbus Ohio,Cinncinati, ,and Clarksville Tennessee,for classes at the Trane factories ,where they get specialized training for Trane products.Since they work for a major contractor,they would also be working in some of the other cities as well.They may have also have worked on the east coast recently, as a death was in Albany and in Middlebury Vermont where work is contracted by Trane of Albany.Ohers speculate it could also be part of management.What ever the case no one from Trane is talking



No one is claiming that every death can be attributed to the same killer,only that there is a high concentration of deaths near Trane factories and maybe someone associated with the company is a murderer and responsible for 1 or more deaths of young men.In some instances the victims were adducted by someone with a van,Reports of van abductions are still coming in from people who were in cities with Trane factories, including a blogger called Mykel_S.here is what he had to say.



mykel_ls said...
I came across an article on this subject and it made my hair stand up. When I got out of the Military in 2000-2001, I was in Minneapolis,Mn. and had been partying with people at a night club, then we went back to a hotel. I remember accidentally locking myself out of the room and ending up on the street in front of the hotel. I had been drinking and I was a little drunk. I remember a van pulling up beside me, then side door opened...then everything went black. I woke up on a matress, in the back of the van, hands bound...covered with a piece of plywood. I was able to get out and make my way back to downtown Minneapolis and to the hotel. The van was at some tall projects with, I think, blue and red panels...close to a rail road track. I thought I would mention this because I read a few articles on this where they thought these victims may have been abducted with a van.



Mykel_Is has since been reported to say"I have talked with the police and I can say no more"
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He can now be in peace, and our family can lay him to rest.



that was my post (jezebella) ....fucker timed out


here is the recovery link [link to helpfindthemissing.org]
 Quoting: -=JezaBella=-

When was your cousin found? Did you see where someone had claimed he was found last month? By any chance, did the person who make this claim last month actually have the location correct?
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i added this to the summary for those not familiar with the drownings



Suspicions were first aroused in the mid-nineties when several drownings occured in Lacrosse,Wisconsin,with the victims being young male college students.In later years there were also several drownings of young men in the Minneapolis -St Paul area,which is another area thas has a Trane factory.Other drownings of young men occurred in Cinncinati,Columbus,Clarkville.All of those cities do training for Trane HVAC technicians and at least some have workshops for management.
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Is the reason why they pick those that have been drinking is because in some sort of way the chemical they interacts with the alcohol and makes it an instant knock out drug?
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Oddly enough, there is an HVAC vacuum pump made by Refco that has a smiley face on it.
[link to www.refcoswiss.com]
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Stop please :(

I just saw an ice cream truck drive down the street and it had a smiley face on it. Here's what it looked like:
[link to www.taylormadeestore.com]

Clearly it must be a conspiracy and surely the CIA, NSA, Mossad, BSA, NAMM, RIAA, MPAA, FBI, IMF, CFR and too many others to post are involved.
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Oddly enough, there is an HVAC vacuum pump made by Refco that has a smiley face on it.
[link to www.refcoswiss.com]


Stop please :(

I just saw an ice cream truck drive down the street and it had a smiley face on it. Here's what it looked like:
[link to www.taylormadeestore.com]

Clearly it must be a conspiracy and surely the CIA, NSA, Mossad, BSA, NAMM, RIAA, MPAA, FBI, IMF, CFR and too many others to post are involved.
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and this iks a " conspiracy form" so
whats bugging you?
you can allways go to a non- " conspiracy form"
if you can hack the bs that throw here.
if you have spent anytime here you would know the talk go all over the place.

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