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| harley davidson
User ID: 658469
 United States
4/16/2009 11:24 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Now this thread is getting somewhere again, very interesting stuff for sure i think they are drugged first, that would explain chris jenkins and why his arms were crossed, if he was paralized by a drug! Kristi phiel interview the other day said it's possible they are drowned somewhere other than the body of water their found in, the previous posters dream pretains to this! Could theses kids be torchered stripped of their religious jewerly then placed into some kind of large container of water to drown, then placed into a river or lake? Why to wash away some kind of evidence, or for some other purpose? Patrick McNeil body had house fly larvee on his private part which means he must have been held for a period of time before found drowned! Something sinister is defintely going on with these college kids!!!!!!!! |
| Toriop
User ID: 658471
United States
4/16/2009 11:29 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
scopolamine-
[link to biopsychiatry.com]
Dan Zamlen might have said: "Oh...God! I'm sleeping. Help!"
then fell in the arms of his abductors. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 658469
United States
4/16/2009 11:35 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
scopolamine-
[ link to biopsychiatry.com]
Dan Zamlen might have said: "Oh...God! I'm sleeping. Help!"
then fell in the arms of his abductors. Quoting: Toriop 658471
Scary stuff, have you sent this to [link to sfkillers.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 422006
United States
4/17/2009 12:04 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Now this thread is getting somewhere again, very interesting stuff for sure i think they are drugged first, that would explain chris jenkins and why his arms were crossed, if he was paralized by a drug! Kristi phiel interview the other day said it's possible they are drowned somewhere other than the body of water their found in, the previous posters dream pretains to this!.... Quoting: harley davidson 658469
I'm on dial-up and can't watch the video of the interview. What were the specifics about her saying it was possible to be drowned elsewhere than where they are found? Did she say possibly in a outside body of water ponds or creeks on the killers private property or did she refer to indoors like a tub or water boarding thing? Or did she specify? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652154
United States
4/17/2009 12:04 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Re: sending this to Kristi-Do ya think? Like the jokester above, even though he got it wrong, it doesn't seem to fit the Zamlen case, but who knows. The drug doesn't make you sleepy, just compliant, from what I've read. No money is missing from these victims. I would like to know what is the reason for taking them. Amazing how clean the scenes are left, but still the perps leave clues, either in the kind of victims they choose, and the hints like sinsisawa, quotes from Gary Snyder, etc.
Is it wrong for me to assume that the investigators are reading the threads here?
This information was available at the beginning of the thread. I'm recommending that everyone read the whole thing. Tons of possibilities to consider, and if a lab is available, all the better. |
| Toriop
User ID: 658471
United States
4/17/2009 12:17 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Nazi "angel of death" Joseph Mengele experimented on scopolamine as an interrogation drug.
C/P from:
[link to biopsychiatry.com]
Let's wonder: who would find the same use of this drug today?
There should be some experiments on humans, of course.
And all in the name of Homeland Security/War on Terror; but really just to put big bucks in some evil face killers.
Whoah...! How do you stop these devils? How do you fight an army? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652154
United States
4/17/2009 12:18 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
To the person with the pre-cog/cog. That seems to be what I can do when I meditate. When I start knowing what someone is going to say before they say it, I stop the meditating until I know what I'm doing. Magic is something I have no interest in. I filter most of the stuff I can't handle out, rather than delve into it. Magic, to me is a toy to some. Showing off. If Psychics can help find a victim or stop a murder, than it makes sense to me. I can't do it though. Haven't really tried.
But, dreaming is something we can't control too easily. I was angry as hell when the war started and I dreamt one night that I was on the field of battle in Afghanistan. Smoke, flashing lights, and a jolting gun shot in my back. I died but wasn't dead. I was empathizing with the soldiers. This was probably around the exact time, judging from the news, that the sanctioned violence started. |
| Toriop
User ID: 658471
United States
4/17/2009 12:24 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
How do you stop these devils? How do you fight an army? Quoting: Toriop 658471
The answer is: you don't.
You file each case as "accidental". Drowning by accident.
Hush...hush...case closed. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 502943
United States
4/17/2009 12:42 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
How do you stop these devils? How do you fight an army?
The answer is: you don't.
You file each case as "accidental". Drowning by accident.
Hush...hush...case closed. Quoting: Toriop 658471
If these killers are cells working for someone higher it makes you wonder who could be at the top and how important they are if the FBI or many of the local P.D.s don't want to touch it. It is beginning to remind me of the Franklin Cover-up where LE didn't want to touch it because of those that were involved. That was/is another case where justice is not being served.
It pains me to think that the Franklin Cover-up rings are probably still going on after all these years with no justice for the victims. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652154
United States
4/17/2009 12:42 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Regarding stopping Armies:
By General Anonymous Coward
All I can recommend is tenaciousness, keeping in mind something about a mustard seed and a mountain, and doing what's right.(and being very very careful) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652154
United States
4/17/2009 12:52 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
[link to www.blogtalkradio.com]
To 006 with dial-up. Try here for audio. I think this is the last interview with Kristi and Bill. It is on my computer so I can listen to it again. Maybe it will work for you. |
| Toriop
User ID: 658471
United States
4/17/2009 1:01 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Regarding stopping Armies:
By General Anonymous Coward
All I can recommend is tenaciousness, keeping in mind something about a mustard seed and a mountain, and doing what's right.(and being very very careful) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 652154
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear:
[link to www.youtube.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 652154
United States
4/17/2009 1:36 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
What is DARPA up to? Poindexter and the Pentagon-Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
What We Can Learn From Dogs
(Newser) – Alaskan sled dogs racing for days on end don’t get tired out the way a human runner would, the New York Times reports, and researchers eager to imitate this fatigue resistance in people—particularly soldiers—say it’s because they’re somehow able to change their metabolism. “Suddenly they throw a switch—we don’t know what it is yet,” one researcher said.
“They have a hidden strategy that they can turn on,” he said. “We are confident that humans have the capacity for that strategy.” A team from Oklahoma State University and Texas A&M is tackling the problem thanks to a $300,000 grant from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which hopes to make soldiers fatigue-resistant.
Experimenting on People? Has anyone heard of super soldiers.
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You know, the scopolamine can make a woman with a baby willfully give up her baby, or at least put her in a state where they can get it away from her without much of a fight. |
| dancer
User ID: 652154
United States
4/17/2009 1:59 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
for cursed13 and Jessa |
| dancer
User ID: 652154
United States
4/17/2009 2:51 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
[link to media.www.universitychronicle.com]
Gilbertson interview reveals some of the method to their madness.
It is frightening to me that in our country now, to get the news, we are going to College and University newspapers. Darn good reporting too. Way to go. |
| Jessa_FL
User ID: 629667
United States
4/17/2009 8:47 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Have anyone noticed a lot of these victims have gotten lost in fields? I'll try to find the link to that but maybe I already posted it on this thread somewhere.
Jessa i was just reading on footprints about lee cutler (WI)how his car was found parked near a REST STOP the wayside was near a cornfield off the highway. Brandson Swanson( MN) vehicle found off a highway where it became stuck on a washed out field approach. Could a trucker have took these guys? Both guys haven't been found. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 658284
Thanks for that. I'd like to make a list of possible victims that were known to be near a field....or does anyone know the case where one of the victims was tlaking to his dad and he told his dad he must have walked into some water and that he was in some type of a field.....I just read about that a few days ago but cannot recall the name of the young man. Maybe someone else here knows.
It makes sense that they would purposely isolate these victims....so that there would be no witnesses.
You know,causing problems so that the victims wants to leave the bar that they're at ,or the party they're at ....alone. Maybe they are using women to lure them away....alone. And then there's the druging of their drinks,possibly. All this is crazy. I wonder how many more years this will keep happening... |
| Jessa_FL
User ID: 629667
United States
4/17/2009 9:02 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
[ link to media.www.universitychronicle.com]
Gilbertson interview reveals some of the method to their madness.
It is frightening to me that in our country now, to get the news, we are going to College and University newspapers. Darn good reporting too. Way to go.
Thanks for that. Great article. |
| Harley davidson
User ID: 658652
United States
4/17/2009 9:13 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Re: sending this to Kristi-Do ya think? Like the jokester above, even though he got it wrong, it doesn't seem to fit the Zamlen case, but who knows. The drug doesn't make you sleepy, just compliant, from what I've read. No money is missing from these victims. I would like to know what is the reason for taking them. Amazing how clean the scenes are left, but still the perps leave clues, either in the kind of victims they choose, and the hints like sinsisawa, quotes from Gary Snyder, etc.
Is it wrong for me to assume that the investigators are reading the threads here?
This information was available at the beginning of the thread. I'm recommending that everyone read the whole thing. Tons of possibilities to consider, and if a lab is available, all the better. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 652154
Sinsinawa Ave is a street name in East Dubuque, Illinois it under the East Dubuque- Dubuque Iowa bridge near a boat ramp at the Mississippi river. sinsinawa Ave is a street full of bars and is where Matt krusiki was last seen before months later found in the river. sinsinawa is a clue in spray paint left in another state at the seen of another drowning before matt's death! Just filling in for people that don't know this! |
| harley davidson
User ID: 658652
United States
4/17/2009 9:25 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
How do you stop these devils? How do you fight an army?
The answer is: you don't.
You file each case as "accidental". Drowning by accident.
Hush...hush...case closed.
If these killers are cells working for someone higher it makes you wonder who could be at the top and how important they are if the FBI or many of the local P.D.s don't want to touch it. It is beginning to remind me of the Franklin Cover-up where LE didn't want to touch it because of those that were involved. That was/is another case where justice is not being served.
It pains me to think that the Franklin Cover-up rings are probably still going on after all these years with no justice for the victims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502943
I hear ya! |
| harley davidson
User ID: 658652
United States
4/17/2009 9:42 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I keep hearing in articles that chris jenkins was driven around in a cargo van & torchered. My question is , how do they know it was a cargo van when there's never any witnesses, and if there's never any marks on these kids how do they know he was torchered? Is that going on with these other kids and their just not telling the public? Afterall Bill szostak & Kristi said there's things their not releasing to the public because they eventually want to take this to a court of law! If they say it's a very organized group that has higharchy(S?) then the investigators surely know way more than they are telling us! I think they don't want the killers to know they know more information! Do you all think the investigators know exactly who is doing this, or are they just grasping for straws? |
| harley davidson
User ID: 658652
United States
4/17/2009 9:54 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Have anyone noticed a lot of these victims have gotten lost in fields? I'll try to find the link to that but maybe I already posted it on this thread somewhere.
Jessa i was just reading on footprints about lee cutler (WI)how his car was found parked near a REST STOP the wayside was near a cornfield off the highway. Brandson Swanson( MN) vehicle found off a highway where it became stuck on a washed out field approach. Could a trucker have took these guys? Both guys haven't been found.
Thanks for that. I'd like to make a list of possible victims that were known to be near a field....or does anyone know the case where one of the victims was tlaking to his dad and he told his dad he must have walked into some water and that he was in some type of a field.....I just read about that a few days ago but cannot recall the name of the young man. Maybe someone else here knows.
It makes sense that they would purposely isolate these victims....so that there would be no witnesses.
You know,causing problems so that the victims wants to leave the bar that they're at ,or the party they're at ....alone. Maybe they are using women to lure them away....alone. And then there's the druging of their drinks,possibly. All this is crazy. I wonder how many more years this will keep happening... Quoting: Jessa_FL 629667
I think this has been happening for longer than 1997, in 1987 a friend of mine who was 6'3 and well built was last seen parting on Sinsinawa Ave and was found drowned in the mississippi river almost 6 months later, still today people believe he was lured to the river by a women. He & his friends were at the strip bars that night( the river Queen!) Where i'm from we just don't find bodies in the river summer or winter, it's very rare! Matt Kruziki was found there. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 658652
United States
4/17/2009 10:02 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
This summer i'm going to find more out about what happened to matt Kruziki when i go to East Dubuque Sinsinawa Ave, I have a friend that has a bar there and probably was working the night matt was in town. I'm just going to be sneaky and bring it up and try to get more information, they'll just think i'm curious. I'll let you here know what I find out!!!! |
| Jessa_FL
User ID: 629667
United States
4/17/2009 10:11 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I keep hearing in articles that chris jenkins was driven around in a cargo van & torchered. My question is , how do they know it was a cargo van when there's never any witnesses, and if there's never any marks on these kids how do they know he was torchered? Is that going on with these other kids and their just not telling the public? Afterall Bill szostak & Kristi said there's things their not releasing to the public because they eventually want to take this to a court of law! If they say it's a very organized group that has higharchy(S?) then the investigators surely know way more than they are telling us! I think they don't want the killers to know they know more information! Do you all think the investigators know exactly who is doing this, or are they just grasping for straws? Quoting: harley davidson 658652
Go back and research everything on Chris Jenkins' mom and find all her interviews....she has been workly closely with those ret. detectives and they been able to determine that he was alive for quite a while after he went "missing".
You'll find out a lot.
And there were two things that I wanted to cut & paste here for people to see again.
One is concerning Josh Szostak and how his messages on his phone could just disappear before it was given back to his family.There is even a recovery photo of the phone with 8 voicemails but NONE were there when his parents got possession of it. Does that indicate that someone working on the case or in the police dept. erased them....that leads to other theories....so on and so on.Go to Kristi's site to see the recovery photo.
Josh’s cell phone had 8 voicemail messages on it when it was found. The police report says there were no text messages on his phone and does not specifically reference the voicemails. When it was returned, Josh’s parents say the phone didn’t have any messages on it.
The other thing is cell phone jammers and how the sfk could be using them which would explain the calls being disconnected so quickly while they were attempting to get in contact with someone because they were lost in a field or when they were trying to call for help.
Brandon Swanson was last seen in rural western Minnesota in May 2008. He was confused about his location and talking to his father on his cell phone when it suddenly went dead. Many searches have failed to locate Brandon. Click here to read more about the search for Brandon Swanson.
[link to www.thesearchforbrandon.blogspot.com] |
| Harley davidson
User ID: 658652
United States
4/17/2009 10:27 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I keep hearing in articles that chris jenkins was driven around in a cargo van & torchered. My question is , how do they know it was a cargo van when there's never any witnesses, and if there's never any marks on these kids how do they know he was torchered? Is that going on with these other kids and their just not telling the public? Afterall Bill szostak & Kristi said there's things their not releasing to the public because they eventually want to take this to a court of law! If they say it's a very organized group that has higharchy(S?) then the investigators surely know way more than they are telling us! I think they don't want the killers to know they know more information! Do you all think the investigators know exactly who is doing this, or are they just grasping for straws?
Go back and research everything on Chris Jenkins' mom and find all her interviews....she has been workly closely with those ret. detectives and they been able to determine that he was alive for quite a while after he went "missing".
You'll find out a lot.
And there were two things that I wanted to cut & paste here for people to see again.
One is concerning Josh Szostak and how his messages on his phone could just disappear before it was given back to his family.There is even a recovery photo of the phone with 8 voicemails but NONE were there when his parents got possession of it. Does that indicate that someone working on the case or in the police dept. erased them....that leads to other theories....so on and so on.Go to Kristi's site to see the recovery photo.
Josh’s cell phone had 8 voicemail messages on it when it was found. The police report says there were no text messages on his phone and does not specifically reference the voicemails. When it was returned, Josh’s parents say the phone didn’t have any messages on it.
The other thing is cell phone jammers and how the sfk could be using them which would explain the calls being disconnected so quickly while they were attempting to get in contact with someone because they were lost in a field or when they were trying to call for help.
Brandon Swanson was last seen in rural western Minnesota in May 2008. He was confused about his location and talking to his father on his cell phone when it suddenly went dead. Many searches have failed to locate Brandon. Click here to read more about the search for Brandon Swanson.
[ link to www.thesearchforbrandon.blogspot.com]
yea is this just carelessness with the phone or are there some cops involved in these drownings? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
United States
4/17/2009 10:37 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Look at this case.This man is accused of drinking 20 drinks but it is a lie. Law enforcement officials are misleading the public and slandering young men that are not here to defend themselves from the false accusations.
Alphonse “Michael” Barbiere, 23, has been missing since early Friday, February 8th when friends said he left a bar in blizzard conditions around 1:30AM after having at least 20 drinks at a martini bar in Breckenridge, Colo . Barbiere, who is from New Jersey, was vacationing with friends.
Although more than 2000 miles apart, like Nick Garza, Mike Barbiere left late at night in the snowy conditions without a winter coat. Since Mike’s disappearance many have come forward from the bar he was last seen. None are considered suspects.
Search and rescue teams from as far away as Fort Collins looked all over the Breckenridge area have searched for the 23-year-old man, but found no signs of Michael Barbiere. According to reports I have read, police have written Mike off as being drunk and succumbing to the elements.
Barbiere’s older brother, Bob, said his family is offering $10,000 to anyone with information on his whereabouts.
From an update
I received an email this morning from a family member of Michael Barbiere about some of the details that have been misconstrued in the media or are just plain false
The following are facts that need to be cleared up in the case of Mike and his disappearance:
1. Although Mike was drinking the night he went missing, he did NOT have 20 drinks, and in fact was seen in numerous pictures taken and from onward he was drinking WATER.
2. Mike was wearing an arctic snow-mobile type jacket and hat when he left the bar so he was dressed appropriately for the weather.
There was also mention that within the past few weeks another man (29 year old) has gone missing in Breckenridge as well as a young woman being drugged and raped
[link to coltonleviclark.wordpress.com] |
| Harley davidson
User ID: 658652
United States
4/17/2009 11:11 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I don't know about all of you but all these drownings just boggle me, so many theories out there and possibilities as to who is doing this and what their motive is?Some how the killers are finding these kids, is it my myspace or facebook accounts, or are the killers themselves inroled in college, or are the killers just hanging out in college towns stalking their victims before hand?what is the motive ?Is it hate groups,anti-christian groups,or is it just a sick fetish group that is targeting college kids because they may be a easy target because of drinking & parting? Either way it's got to be more than one person , i think we've all decided that. Is this killer group connected via internet & are they finding their victims via internet. i'm just now listening to the news about the CRAIGLIST internet killings, interesting. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 626075
United States
4/17/2009 11:30 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
If a technician is involved that would explain why they might have a cargo van,why Wade Steefy was electrocuted.Why there was a pool of water on the floor from a leaky air conditioner that would have destroyed evidence,why there were matching class dates,why Glen Leadly was a victim. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 658652
United States
4/17/2009 11:33 AM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 502361
United States
4/17/2009 12:01 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 658652
He's MSNBC - mainstream media and also FBI. He would say whatever MSM has been told to say and whatever the FBI tells him to say.
There are other "co-incidences" he doesn't even mention that the two detectives have come up with and not to mention Gilbertson's work. What about other co-incidences besides just the fact these kids are college kid males and a smiley face was found at 12 places.
What about the fact that the majority go missing on or near a half-moon of the month. What about the fact that not many of these "drunk college kids" aren't falling in the rivers and lakes much in between June and September? You'd think they'd be drinking more in the hot months.
What about the fact that several have made desperate calls on cell phones that go dead?
This guy is either so full of himself that he has a closed mind and not willing to admit that other investigators could be right besides him or he is a shill.
He didn't convince me. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 658652
United States
4/17/2009 12:11 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
You have to read this! A former profiler & FBI agent say's why there is no SFK. [ link to clintvanzandt.newsvine.com]
He's MSNBC - mainstream media and also FBI. He would say whatever MSM has been told to say and whatever the FBI tells him to say.
There are other "co-incidences" he doesn't even mention that the two detectives have come up with and not to mention Gilbertson's work. What about other co-incidences besides just the fact these kids are college kid males and a smiley face was found at 12 places.
What about the fact that the majority go missing on or near a half-moon of the month. What about the fact that not many of these "drunk college kids" aren't falling in the rivers and lakes much in between June and September? You'd think they'd be drinking more in the hot months.
What about the fact that several have made desperate calls on cell phones that go dead?
This guy is either so full of himself that he has a closed mind and not willing to admit that other investigators could be right besides him or he is a shill.
He didn't convince me.
No he didn't convince me neither. |
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