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The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane?

 
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Jezabella, I don't know if you have read much about detectives Gannon and Duarte, the NYC cops who have connected these murders. The FBI has told them that they are NOT INTERESTED. I don't believe the FBI would be of much assistance to your family. They seem to be part of a cover up.

On Coast to Coast, Saturday night, with Ian Punnet, he said the detectives will be relasing further information from their files, by this coming weekend. They didn't want to do this because they are concerned it will drive the kilers underground. They are doing it because the FBI doesn't give a damn, and some local PDs don't, either. One of the things that Punnet said they would be announcing is that these killings are being done by a Satanic cult, which is highly organized.
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"I also forwarded this theory to the Garza family as they are frustrated with the local police and open to any and all leads. They have been working with a local psychic named Nan O'Brien, so I don't think they're the type of folks to dismiss a theory because it came from the "lunatic fringe". Any new detail anyone can provide would be great?!"



That would be your quote , and you would know if I was screaming, Lady.
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"I also forwarded this theory to the Garza family as they are frustrated with the local police and open to any and all leads. They have been working with a local psychic named Nan O'Brien, so I don't think they're the type of folks to dismiss a theory because it came from the "lunatic fringe". Any new detail anyone can provide would be great?!"



That would be your quote , and you would know if I was screaming, Lady.
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I don't understand, what is objectionable in that?
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Jezabella, I don't know if you have read much about detectives Gannon and Duarte, the NYC cops who have connected these murders. The FBI has told them that they are NOT INTERESTED. I don't believe the FBI would be of much assistance to your family. They seem to be part of a cover up.

On Coast to Coast, Saturday night, with Ian Punnet, he said the detectives will be relasing further information from their files, by this coming weekend. They didn't want to do this because they are concerned it will drive the kilers underground. They are doing it because the FBI doesn't give a damn, and some local PDs don't, either. One of the things that Punnet said they would be announcing is that these killings are being done by a Satanic cult, which is highly organized.
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My question is if the police know of the hierarchy of the smiley face killers, names and addresses, the pattern of the killings, the reason why they don't kill on a full moon, and have actually calculated and predicted when another death would occur and it did, have other marketings at the crime screen that they have not released, then why haven't picked up anyone for questioning?
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"I also forwarded this theory to the Garza family as they are frustrated with the local police and open to any and all leads. They have been working with a local psychic named Nan O'Brien, so I don't think they're the type of folks to dismiss a theory because it came from the "lunatic fringe". Any new detail anyone can provide would be great?!"



That would be your quote , and you would know if I was screaming, Lady.


I don't understand, what is objectionable in that?
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Keep watching the 6:00 news.
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Jezabella, I don't know if you have read much about detectives Gannon and Duarte, the NYC cops who have connected these murders. The FBI has told them that they are NOT INTERESTED. I don't believe the FBI would be of much assistance to your family. They seem to be part of a cover up.

On Coast to Coast, Saturday night, with Ian Punnet, he said the detectives will be relasing further information from their files, by this coming weekend. They didn't want to do this because they are concerned it will drive the kilers underground. They are doing it because the FBI doesn't give a damn, and some local PDs don't, either. One of the things that Punnet said they would be announcing is that these killings are being done by a Satanic cult, which is highly organized.


I know it......like i said...........the similarities of these cases are not just the cases themselves....but with th PD ....you can find almost identical quotes from many cases if you really dig....time frames .....search efforts.....almost like they hmmmhaw around to by time. they said they would not be able to find the body until around may ...here we are in may .....guess what .......they think they found him. Excuses with weather.......bla bla bla ..they have manpower and technology

an interesting thought someone brought up to me these body's seem to be recovered no later than a 3-4 month period 90 days or so


Here is a link that maps out some of the killings and the time that they were recovered.
[link to kstp.com]

can someone confirm that?????
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Jezabella, I don't know if you have read much about detectives Gannon and Duarte, the NYC cops who have connected these murders. The FBI has told them that they are NOT INTERESTED. I don't believe the FBI would be of much assistance to your family. They seem to be part of a cover up.

On Coast to Coast, Saturday night, with Ian Punnet, he said the detectives will be relasing further information from their files, by this coming weekend. They didn't want to do this because they are concerned it will drive the kilers underground. They are doing it because the FBI doesn't give a damn, and some local PDs don't, either. One of the things that Punnet said they would be announcing is that these killings are being done by a Satanic cult, which is highly organized.


I know it......like i said...........the similarities of these cases are not just the cases themselves....but with th PD ....you can find almost identical quotes from many cases if you really dig....time frames .....search efforts.....almost like they hmmmhaw around to by time. they said they would not be able to find the body until around may ...here we are in may .....guess what .......they think they found him. Excuses with weather.......bla bla bla ..they have manpower and technology

an interesting thought someone brought up to me these body's seem to be recovered no later than a 3-4 month period 90 days or so


Here is a link that maps out some of the killings and the time that they were recovered.
[link to kstp.com]

can someone confirm that?????

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well recoveries differ....but .......the similarities.......unbeleivable
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"I also forwarded this theory to the Garza family as they are frustrated with the local police and open to any and all leads. They have been working with a local psychic named Nan O'Brien, so I don't think they're the type of folks to dismiss a theory because it came from the "lunatic fringe". Any new detail anyone can provide would be great?!"



That would be your quote , and you would know if I was screaming, Lady.


I don't understand, what is objectionable in that?



There is obviously alot you do not understand. Keep watching the 6:00 news.
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I guess you're right. I still don't understand what I did or said that has made you so angry If I did I would certainly apologize...
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"I also forwarded this theory to the Garza family as they are frustrated with the local police and open to any and all leads. They have been working with a local psychic named Nan O'Brien, so I don't think they're the type of folks to dismiss a theory because it came from the "lunatic fringe". Any new detail anyone can provide would be great?!"



That would be your quote , and you would know if I was screaming, Lady.


I don't understand, what is objectionable in that?



There is obviously alot you do not understand. Keep watching the 6:00 news.


I guess you're right. I still don't understand what I did or said that has made you so angry If I did I would certainly apologize...
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"I also forwarded this theory to the Garza family as they are frustrated with the local police and open to any and all leads. They have been working with a local psychic named Nan O'Brien, so I don't think they're the type of folks to dismiss a theory because it came from the "lunatic fringe". Any new detail anyone can provide would be great?!"



That would be your quote , and you would know if I was screaming, Lady.


I don't understand, what is objectionable in that?



There is obviously alot you do not understand. Keep watching the 6:00 news.


I guess you're right. I still don't understand what I did or said that has made you so angry If I did I would certainly apologize...



ook...molly, It was weird to me that you would mention my cousin in this forum, before I have. I have been reading your posts over and over again trying to figure out who you are and why nick is of such interest. There are many things going on that I cannot even begin to mention, but, all i can tell you is it is ripping his family apart. Since Day one I have taken the info provided to me and .....investigated it myself. After investigating the 1st theory I realized something was very wrong......the police rely on the vulnerability of the family, play like the good guys and....feed them a crock of shit, smile for the cameras then move on. My cousin declines any more media for the most part because the media ate the meat puppets for the PD. You have come out of nowhere with an interest in vampires , cults , and dark arts.

I read very deeply into the posts made here....and I pay very close attention to the things that are said, and , the things that is released to the public.

So with all due respect I will ask again .....why is nicks case so appealing to you....and who are you.
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My interest in Nick's case is simply that I live in Vermont, I don't live far from Middlebury, and my friend Eva Sollberger is a videographer who has been working with the family - I don't have any inside information from Eva, but we do talk about the case very frequently. As for 'vampires, cults, and dark arts', I am a lifelong horror movie fan and I also studied these things academically as an undergrad - cultural anthropology. If you have been to my blog, this is all quite plain, nothing hidden. I don't work for any police department or for the media - I work for Fletcher Allen hospital (but I've been out on short term disability and mostly homebound since Feb 12 due to a surgery and subsequent complications). I still don't understand what you find so suspicious and/or infuriating about me. My blog is www.undeadmolly.blogpot.com - I linked to it early on in my first posts here. I'm not trying to hide or imply anything....
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"I also forwarded this theory to the Garza family as they are frustrated with the local police and open to any and all leads. They have been working with a local psychic named Nan O'Brien, so I don't think they're the type of folks to dismiss a theory because it came from the "lunatic fringe". Any new detail anyone can provide would be great?!"
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Jezabella, in all fairness, I think Molly is just like the rest of us who are interested. She said she came through Google. That's the same way I found GLP (years ago). Molly has provided some interesting posts that further the cause of getting people interested in what happened to Nick and all of the others. She's on your side.
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I'm sorry, I guess I'm just not sure what else I can tell you. I have lived in Vermont my whole life as have both sides of my family going back many generations, I'm 30 years old but I'll be 31 next month, I live with my boyfriend Chris and our two Siamese cats named Victor and Bea, hamster Demetria, and two leopard geckos named blotchy and stripey. I don't get out much because I have systemic lupus and also had a yucky surgery in Feb which has resulted in lots of even more yucky complications. It is all documented on my blog....

I don't have any connection to Middlebury College other than my boyfriend having gone there for the summer language program last year (German). He's a Medieval Studies guy and needed to brush up on his German to supplement his Latin and Old English to better pursue his senior thesis (at the University of Vermont) on Frederick the Second.

Everything I do online is under the name 'Undead Molly'. Anyone is free to turn your sleuthing skills loose on me, I really don't have anything to hide.

Here's my blog: [link to www.undeadmolly.blogspot.com]
My Twitter: [link to twitter.com]
My old MySpace that I rarely update: [link to www.myspace.com]
And I have a facebook, too, but I don't know the url. It's under Undead Molly just like everything else.
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Oh, that's one of the videos my friend Eva made! My friend Eva Sollberger I had mentioned earlier! She made two more, one about Nick's disappearance and one about the volunteer search weekend before last.

Eva was the one who first told me about the Smiley Face thing.
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Oh, that's one of the videos my friend Eva made! My friend Eva Sollberger I had mentioned earlier! She made two more, one about Nick's disappearance and one about the volunteer search weekend before last.

Eva was the one who first told me about the Smiley Face thing.
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I saw those she made one 2 weeks after he was missing and the one on the search.


She did a fabulous job.
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I posted this one because it really defines Nick.....which goes against everything the media initially portrayed him as .......and everything the PD based their theories on. In fact practically insulting his character and our intelligence. The family when he was reported missing. There are interesting facts about Nicolas on this video.

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Eva will be thrilled to read that... she agonized over this vid and wanted to get it just perfect. She was so worried the family would be mad or disappointed by it.
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Could the killer or killers be spelling out Smiley face man with the first letter of the cities?

you got ST Paul
Minneapolis
lacrosse

i wonder what the y city would be?
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WTF? The video is no longer available.
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I think the reason they are not arresting anyone is because there is no hard evidence.Gannon and Duarte probably have a lot of good circumstantial evidence.knowing the pattern of killing does not help know who is doing it necessarily.
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Could the killer or killers be spelling out Smiley face man with the first letter of the cities?

you got ST Paul
Minneapolis
lacrosse

i wonder what the y city would be?
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The "e" could be Eau Clare where the other university is. There's a post on the other thread (1:33 a.m.) describing two possible failed attemps. The "y" I don't know.
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The "Y" could be Ypsilanti, Michigan

Meanwhile, check this out:

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how are these young people linked?
were these people part of a group like say
"menza", ?
are these people's famly's suporting
some "political" groups?

sorry i don't write well lots of thing need tom be asked to under stand whats happing.

seems to me that some "group" is
doing this, after years of reading books,

this is not being done by a gang.
this sounds like a police or military
group.

nothing is random,

what if you have some ultra-pro-usa
group , going threw a list , killing people
who could be "political" later in life.

this is bigger i think then they are even talking about.

anyone looked to see what "awords" or "scholarships",
they got, or applied for ?

cause if this is going on threw out the country,
then where are the killers getting the info on the
people ?
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this is very , very organized -goes up to the hihger echelons - different branches - and a hierarchy.

the four p (4p), children of light, black cross.....

and what about the lightworkers, well, well....

just my humble opinion

its a neonazi satanic cult - very, very, very organized

and so monstrous so huge - you cannot even imagine

-my 2 cents
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this is very , very organized -goes up to the hihger echelons - different branches - and a hierarchy.

the four p (4p), children of light, black cross.....

and what about the lightworkers, well, well....

just my humble opinion

its a neonazi satanic cult - very, very, very organized

and so monstrous so huge - you cannot even imagine

-my 2 cents
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na im thinking something like

a group trained at

"school of the americas",

after all they been training other to do fucked up shit
in SA forever.

"lists", it all bout some one's list.
if anyone can find the list all these people are on or
"what list" is used , you will find the groups or group.
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the four pi movement

"A faction called the "Black Cross" is said to operate as a kind of Satanic Murder Incorporated, fielding anonymous hit teams for cultists nationwide, disposing of defectors and offering pointers on the fine art of human sacrifice. If law enforcement spokesmen are correct, the cult is also deeply involved in white slavery, child pornography , and the international narcotics trade."

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Anything new on the Trane connection? Is there any known connection between the victims that has been made public? TIA
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trane has not given me their class schedule.I thought maybe some people at the hVAC forum might remember some dates of classes but they were more interested in bashing the theory than helping.they banned CFC in 1996 so i could see a contrator needing a lot of peoples to do all the new work created and hiring several people at the same time with not so stellar backgrounds-murders that recently got out of jail or crazy people that just got out of a nuthouse
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from websleuths
-from the what is your theory thread

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They are spelling out Smiley face killer man with the first letters of the cities where they commit the crime and not all the victims are young males.I think they prefer young men that look like an easy target but it is not convenient for them to find a young man every time that looks like an easy victim.Either that or it is because they are a technician with trane that so many drownings were near tranes ST paul and LaCrosse factory.I also think both theories are possible or there may not just be one group of killers.someone that works as a technician could be doing some of the killings-my guess would be in the mid-west -and even more of the others are being done by some sort of gang or cult.


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#4 Today, 11:49 AM
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I also think it is possible technicians are part of a cult or gang.when cfc was banned in 1996 it created a lot of work for hvac technicians.Some contractors would have had a desperate need for people and not enough trained people to do the work.They would have hired less than desirable applicants such as people that just got out of prison or possibly even mental institutions.minnesota alone trained hundreds of prisoners to do this kind of work starting in 1996.


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I also think they may be making a smiley face on the map if the dots are connected.my suspicion would be that Indianappolis cloumbus ohio,and lansing michigan form the nose in a v shape.the center of the bottom part of the mouth could be Cinncinatti and sT cloud the top left hand side of the mouth.eau claire wisconsin part of the left eye.sorry for so many posts but at this point i am open to many possibilites.lol


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I also think it is possible that they not only are making a smiley face man if you connect the dots ,they also may be spelling something out.
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the four pi movement

"
In 1969, while gathering material for a book on the Charles Manson case, journalist Ed Sanders encountered reports of a sinister Satanic cult alleged to practice human sacrifice in several parts of California, luring youthful members from college campuses throughout the western half of the United States. Calling itself the "Four Pi" or "Four P" movement, the cult originally boasted 55 members, of whom fifteen were middle-aged, the rest consisting of young men and women in their early twenties. The group's leader -- dubbed the "Grand Chingon" or "Head Devil" -- was said to be a wealthy California businessman of middle years, who exercised his power by compelling younger members of the cult to act as slaves and murder random targets on command."

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"Despite the testimony of reputed Four Pi members, authorities have yet to build a case against the cult. Some suspects, named by witnesses, have died in "accidents" or "suicides" before they could be questioned by police. Another obstacle appears to be the use of code names, which prevent the cultists from identifying one another under questioning. The group itself relies on different names from place to place, with New York members meeting as "The Children," while Alabama hosts "The Children of the Light" (suspected of involvement in 25 murders since 1987). A faction called the "Black Cross" is said to operate as a kind of Satanic Murder Incorporated, fielding anonymous hit teams for cultists nationwide, disposing of defectors and offering pointers on the fine art of human sacrifice. If law enforcement spokesmen are correct, the cult is also deeply involved in white slavery, child pornography , and the international narcotics trade."



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