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| -=JezaBella=-
User ID: 427407
5/6/2008 6:48 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
you guys are amazing .
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
~ Dr. Seuss |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
5/6/2008 6:54 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I think the reason they are not arresting anyone is because there is no hard evidence.Gannon and Duarte probably have a lot of good circumstantial evidence.knowing the pattern of killing does not help know who is doing it necessarily. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 428547
They detectives have said that they know the identities of some of the killers. They can't make any arrests because they don't have jurisdiction, and they are retired. Local PDs and the FBI seem to be covering up something. Gannon and Duarte have said they didn't want to release the info publically but have decided to because of lack of interest by other authorities. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 287506
5/6/2008 7:05 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
a snippet from Kristie Piehls blog....
"They told me about the hair that was found in Chris'(jenkins) hand when he was pulled from the water. "
dna evidence... |
| -=JezaBella=-
User ID: 427407
5/6/2008 7:06 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I think the reason they are not arresting anyone is because there is no hard evidence.Gannon and Duarte probably have a lot of good circumstantial evidence.knowing the pattern of killing does not help know who is doing it necessarily.
They detectives have said that they know the identities of some of the killers. They can't make any arrests because they don't have jurisdiction, and they are retired. Local PDs and the FBI seem to be covering up something. Gannon and Duarte have said they didn't want to release the info publically but have decided to because of lack of interest by other authorities. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 385176
There is a big cover up ......this was made obvious to me by the investigations held on each case. To be quite honest... I am terrified as I read the information .
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
~ Dr. Seuss |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
5/6/2008 7:08 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
the four pi movement
"A faction called the "Black Cross" is said to operate as a kind of Satanic Murder Incorporated, fielding anonymous hit teams for cultists nationwide, disposing of defectors and offering pointers on the fine art of human sacrifice. If law enforcement spokesmen are correct, the cult is also deeply involved in white slavery, child pornography , and the international narcotics trade."
[ link to www.skcentral.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 287506
Very good article.
The bottom line is that Satanists are ONE CULT. The people at the bottom of the pyramid may not be aware of those at the top, but it's the ones at the top that run this planet. |
| Ikaika
User ID: 204551
5/6/2008 7:11 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I think the reason they are not arresting anyone is because there is no hard evidence.Gannon and Duarte probably have a lot of good circumstantial evidence.knowing the pattern of killing does not help know who is doing it necessarily.
They detectives have said that they know the identities of some of the killers. They can't make any arrests because they don't have jurisdiction, and they are retired. Local PDs and the FBI seem to be covering up something. Gannon and Duarte have said they didn't want to release the info publically but have decided to because of lack of interest by other authorities.
There is a big cover up ......this was made obvious to me by the investigations held on each case. To be quite honest... I am terrified as I read the information . Quoting: -=JezaBella=-
Why would they try and cover it up? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429052
5/6/2008 8:51 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I think the reason they are not arresting anyone is because there is no hard evidence.Gannon and Duarte probably have a lot of good circumstantial evidence.knowing the pattern of killing does not help know who is doing it necessarily.
They detectives have said that they know the identities of some of the killers. They can't make any arrests because they don't have jurisdiction, and they are retired. Local PDs and the FBI seem to be covering up something. Gannon and Duarte have said they didn't want to release the info publically but have decided to because of lack of interest by other authorities.
There is a big cover up ......this was made obvious to me by the investigations held on each case. To be quite honest... I am terrified as I read the information .
Why would they try and cover it up? Quoting: Ikaika
Because some big names are involved at all levels that are people in fed, state & local governments. This includes the alphabet soup agencies, law enforcement, judges, etc.
And there's the Code of Silence which means that even if you as an individual cop or authority aren't involved you still keep your mouth shut about it. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
5/6/2008 9:57 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
trane has not given me their class schedule.I thought maybe some people at the hVAC forum might remember some dates of classes but they were more interested in bashing the theory than helping.they banned CFC in 1996 so i could see a contrator needing a lot of peoples to do all the new work created and hiring several people at the same time with not so stellar backgrounds-murders that recently got out of jail or crazy people that just got out of a nuthouse Quoting: Anonymous Coward 428547
The people committing these murders are not crazy. They are sociopaths, just like Blackwater.
Perhaps the detectives can get the class schedules. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
5/6/2008 10:18 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I think the reason they are not arresting anyone is because there is no hard evidence.Gannon and Duarte probably have a lot of good circumstantial evidence.knowing the pattern of killing does not help know who is doing it necessarily.
They detectives have said that they know the identities of some of the killers. They can't make any arrests because they don't have jurisdiction, and they are retired. Local PDs and the FBI seem to be covering up something. Gannon and Duarte have said they didn't want to release the info publically but have decided to because of lack of interest by other authorities.
There is a big cover up ......this was made obvious to me by the investigations held on each case. To be quite honest... I am terrified as I read the information . Quoting: -=JezaBella=-
Jezabella, if there is any reason under the sun for these awful things that happen, if anything beneficial can come of such unadulterated evil, perhaps these detectives will start to unravel the MASSIVE Satanic cult that runs this planet. There have been so many cases involving Satanism and still the American people find unbelievable. So many people are abducted and murdered, or sold into slavery, and nobody hears their voices. Maybe the massiveness of this case will wake people up to the true nature of the power structure.
I am so, so sorry that you have to go through this. I had a close friend whose only child (a 27 yr old daughter) was murdered. I was by her side through much of the ordeal (funeral, news coverage, etc). I have never seen so much pain. I'm really glad that you post here. You can see that many people care very much. *hugs* - susano |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 427407
5/6/2008 11:33 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Its all about awareness ..the more people that understand these things the more power we have to overcome these sick people. Whether it be copycats or the actual killers themselves.....there is way more of us then their are of them. |
| Aonymous Coward
User ID: 429107
5/7/2008 12:00 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Its all about awareness ..the more people that understand these things the more power we have to overcome these sick people. Whether it be copycats or the actual killers themselves.....there is way more of us then their are of them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427407
You are so right. We shouldn't cower to them or let them intimidate us. Rapists, murderers, TPTB all depend on our fear. They love to instill fear in their victims. It incites them. They live for that thrill they get from our fear. And we let them intimidate us despite the fact that there are more of us then them. |
| -=JezaBella=-
User ID: 427407
5/7/2008 12:26 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
sorry I have to delete all my responses from request of the family. Hence, they wish for family to not speak of personal matters.
with that being said. I will respect their wishes....
I am still interested in the actual post ....and ....everything everything GLP has to say about it .......and I will say what I want about the subject...
with that being said......it seems these types of things are happening at campuses everywhere not just one concentrated area.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
~ Dr. Seuss |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429181
5/7/2008 2:31 AM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
5/7/2008 2:38 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 429181
I'd like to see that with dots where each went missing. Possible. I don't agree with the spelling out of "smiley face". The first murder was in NYC (that we know of). No "N" in smile face. Besides, it could just have easily been the dubbed the "happpy face" murders. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429181
5/7/2008 2:57 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i drew it through all the states mentioned by the investigators and through several other locations of disappearances .St Cloud Cinncinati-Eau claire, western indiana lansing michigan,Columbus.i did not have known cities of disappearances for all points in the eyes,but for that i was working on the assumption eau claire was part of an eye. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429194
5/7/2008 3:11 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I'm beginning to develop a motive for these murders. The victims all profile as athletic, scholastic frat-boys. What kind of behavior should we assume from these types? Far too often, it's very misogynistic behavior. Date-rape is not uncommon on these campuses. Do you see where I'm going with this?
On of the recent victims was found to have a length of hair in his hand. He wanted us to know something. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 287506
5/7/2008 7:31 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
PA police find possible link to 'Smiley Face Killers
Police in Pennsylvania have found new evidence in a closed drowning case, discovered after 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS’ investigation into the drowning deaths of over 40 other young men.
Police in Ridley Township, PA say they may have hit a major breakthrough for a family searching for answers after the death of their son.
Our investigation prompted detectives to go back to the scene of where a young man’s body was found in Ridley Township.
Surveillance tape shows Tommy Booth going into a bar in January, but never coming out. His body was found in a shallow creek behind the bar two weeks later.
Ridley Township Det. Scott Willoughby worked the case and watched 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS’ investigation on Good Morning America.
"The morning that I saw this story run on the news, I came into work and I asked my detectives to go down and take a look. We noticed graffiti and a smiley face on the wall," explained Willoughby.
Police said they had never seen this kind of graffiti in Ridley Township before. They immediately alerted the FBI.
"This case always puzzled me. I couldn't understand and we couldn't put together the pieces of this puzzle," Willoughby said.
While he had been drinking, police said Booth’s blood alcohol level wasn’t excessive. Booth’s mother believes his drowning is connected to 40 other similar cases across the country.
"When he told me that the smiley face was there, it just gave me chills, maybe this is something that makes sense because nothing else did," Booth's mother Barbara Mackay said.
The medical examiner is also interested in the recent developments and is taking another look at the autopsy.
"Too many similarities. I have read that a lot of them, either their wallet or their cell phone was missing and that is the only thing that we don't have is his cell phone," Mackay said.
Willoughby considers the case active and is in talks with retired NYPD Det. Kevin Gannon about the evidence and any possible link to the ‘Smiley Face Killers.’
see also VIDEO of grafitt at
[link to kstp.com] |
| Lynn
User ID: 429312
5/7/2008 10:16 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I have been trying to get as much info about these drownings as possible so I thank you all for your very interesting theories. I believe that my cousin, Tommy Booth, might have been the latest victim. He disappeared Jan. 19 from Bootleggers bar in Woodlyn, PA. His body was found 3 weeks later in Ridley Creek that runs behind the bar. I'll write more tomorrow cuz I gotta go but please check out www.wpvi.com for our local coverage from last night's 11pm news. Quoting: Denise 427497
Hi Denise! I live in the area and I've been following this. The TRANE thing is WILD, b/c there is actually a TRANE warehouse in Aston, PA near Chester Township, and truckers from TRANE in CLarksville, TN deliver there at least 2-3 times a week. I worked there for years. There are some creepy truck drivers that deliver late at night, not sure about the techs.. but it makes a little sense.
I have a more crazy theory. How about a group of pissed off comic book fans? I had found another forum, and there have been many references to "Randall Flagg", upon studying him, I found some weird connections. He was a character in alot of Stephen King books, sometimes showing up as an alias, he wore a smiley face button on his jacket, and traveled the country torturing people, and while he was gone, groups of people continued with his plan.
COmic book people felt that Flagg’s death was unjustified given the amount of spotlight the character had received in the previous novels in the series, as well as unrelated novels, and even appeared to contradict his "supernatural" powers.
GOOGLE IT.. and you will see that there are some devoted pissed off fans! Even going as far to move to places where parts of the movie took place.. CREEEEPPPPYYY!!! |
| LiveWyre
User ID: 405819
5/7/2008 11:17 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
And to think I was considereing going back to college for my masters degree.......
I reckon .....I will take classes at the Jr. college instead.........hmm come to think about it ....... think I'll find myself a Brazilian kickboxing class.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
~ Dr. Seuss |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 428373
5/7/2008 11:25 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Hi Denise! I live in the area and I've been following this. The TRANE thing is WILD, b/c there is actually a TRANE warehouse in Aston, PA near Chester Township, and truckers from TRANE in CLarksville, TN deliver there at least 2-3 times a week. I worked there for years. There are some creepy truck drivers that deliver late at night, not sure about the techs.. but it makes a little sense. Quoting: Lynn 429312
I was wondering if there was a local connection to Trane so thanks for that. I'm also wondering what color or make/model of van these techs drive?? Are they logo'd?
I think the Trane theory is very interesting, though I do think there's more to it. I'm leaning more towards a gang/cult and maybe a lot of them just happen to work for Trane (or as someone mentioned, maybe they were connected in prison). I wish I knew more about the graffiti at the other scenes. I've tried my hardest to research the graffiti found at Tommy's scene, and though I'm not an expert at all, it seems very deliberate, like from someone who isn't new to graffiti. Other than what looks like a 3-point crown over the smiley face, it doesn't look big gang-specific to me (like Bloods or Crips, etc.). But it does say something, I just can't figure it all out -- part of it looks like "Joe" and to me, it looks like it's written by a girl because of the flair of the letters. There's a target symbol and a vertical "610" which is the area code there.
I do think there's more the detectives know and aren't sharing, but that's to be expected. The Ridley detective is awesome and I feel he's doing everything he can, including listening to his gut. I can't say I got that feeling from the whole department, but I feel very lucky to have Detective Willoughby working Tommy's case. I know he's in direct contact with Gannon, but I haven't gotten any updates, nor do I fully expect him to share anything that might jeopardize the case.
One other thing I thought of....the week after Tommy was found, there seemed to be an increase in crime in the area cuz the cops were super busy. I remember thinking all the other stuff going on was distracting them from what they first assumed was an "accidental drowning." Wonder if any other families noticed that after the other victims were found? |
| Denise
User ID: 428373
5/7/2008 11:26 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
sorry, I forgot to put my name in. That last post was from me. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429181
5/7/2008 11:42 AM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i came up with the trane theory ,but honestly i did not believe someone associated with them did every killing.it would explain a high concentration of deaths of young men in the sT paul and lacrosse area.If they just killed 1 person in those cities it would help make the drowning statisics look more suspicious,especialy if there was group of killers that might have possibly killed in the same area.The thing is though i went to a possibe scene of a crime in another city and found a smiley face near the river.i could probably brush it off as a coincidence,but i did not see drawings of anything else,unless you count circles,x's,initials ,nicknames.at this point i am undecided who is doing the killing. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429181
5/7/2008 12:00 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I could believe a killer was a truck driver for Trane because he would have been familar with many of the cities.I gussed a technician because of the van.If he traveled between facilities ,he would have traveled from the north through western indiana to evansville and clarksville, which means he he would be familiar with 2 cities in indiana and one in tennessee where young men died .maybe he no longer works as a truck driver,but did at one time. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429181
5/7/2008 12:13 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
RTE 41 inludes Terra Haute Indiana(death of young man here)
evansville(Trane Plant here)
Clarksville (Trane Plant here)
he could have traveled from or to one of the ohio trane plants-or further east- when he went through lafayette Indiana(possible victim here) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429181
5/7/2008 12:15 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
forgot to mention clarksville has a possible victim |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429181
5/7/2008 12:18 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
And another thing i would almost bet my life that trane gets parts from a manufacturer in Iowa possibly a company by another name.I have worked for several companies no one has probably heard of ,manufacturing parts for nissan,chrysler,etc |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 287506
5/7/2008 12:48 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
have to correct my own post
a snippet from Kristie Piehls blog....
"They told me about the hair that was found in Chris'(jenkins) hand when he was pulled from the water. "
dna evidence...
that was his own hair (Cris Jenkins) |
| smith1771
User ID: 427619
5/7/2008 1:08 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
look at the pictures i posted about san francisco. Look closely and compare them to the Tommy Booth graffiti. I know they are the same. |
| Denise
User ID: 428373
5/7/2008 1:24 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
look at the pictures i posted about san francisco. Look closely and compare them to the Tommy Booth graffiti. I know they are the same. Quoting: smith1771 427619
Seriously?? I can't find where to go to see those pics of S.F. I definately need to see it....... |
| smith1771
User ID: 427619
5/7/2008 1:28 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
put smiley as a search word on this site |
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