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| smith1771
User ID: 427619
5/7/2008 1:31 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429181
5/7/2008 1:31 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i put this on a truckers forum.
It seems to me someone that is familiar with many of the cities that have Trane corporation facilities would be familiar with many cities where there were young men who disappeared and later found drowned.for example
LaCrosse Wisconsin-Trane factory
ST Paul minnesota-Trane factory
Cinncinati
Columbus
in addition taking route 41 you could go through
Terra Haute (possible victim here
Evanville Indiana(Trane factory here)
Clarksville tennessee(Trane factory here) (possible victim here)I took a picture of smiley face here
Recently investigators are saying 'smiley face killers' are drowning young men across the country.They have said they have linked killings in 5 states.
(correct me if i am wrong on this)
Pennsylvania
ohio
Wisconsin
Iowa
minnesota
They also found nearly 94 percent of the drownings took place within 100 miles of I-94. Nearly 82 percent of the drownings occurred during the first two weeks of the month, and three-quarters of the disappearance occurred when the moon was less than half-full.
all of the the place i mentioned with trane facilities would also have training for HVAC technicians to update their skills and it is not unusal for them to take several classes.
could there possibly be a connection of the drownings of young men with trane corporation?
truck driver?
hvac technician?
someone in sales? |
| Denise
User ID: 428373
5/7/2008 1:50 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Do you have any other pics? The 4 I looked at didn't look the same to me, except the end of the word "children"...that symbol (like a "t") did look the same. Since you looked at Tommy's graffiti, could you make out any of the words? The message is actually repeated along the wall. I have some pics that I took so I'll try to figure out how to post them.
My new graffiti theory: the HVAC tech picks up 2 or 3 Spanish girls along the way... they have a gang style history so graffiti is their thing...these girls easily lure the victims out back or something like that. Or maybe it was only Spanish girls in Tommy's case. Maybe they were told to leave the graffiti (smiley face) and these Spanish girls just got a little more creative than other girls did in the other cases. I definately think girls are involved in luring these guys away from their friends. |
| smith1771
User ID: 427619
5/7/2008 1:59 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
If you look at the picture i took that was on the back of a sign there is a 6 with a three pointed crown. The pic is sideways. Also, the quotation marks. I have a bunch more that are better, I'll put them up as soon as i retrieve them. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
5/7/2008 2:08 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I cought the tail end of a report on Fox News about Nick Garza. They were talking his body (?) in the river and how it has not surfaced, as though it's weighted down.
How in the hell can they not know the exact location where these photos were taken??? What would be the point of flying over and photographing if you don't note the locations? WTF? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 287506
5/7/2008 2:11 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
"CHILDREN"
"Despite the testimony of reputed Four Pi members, authorities have yet to build a case against the cult. Some suspects, named by witnesses, have died in "accidents" or "suicides" before they could be questioned by police. Another obstacle appears to be the use of code names, which prevent the cultists from identifying one another under questioning. The group itself relies on different names from place to place, with New York members meeting as "The Children," while Alabama hosts "The Children of the Light" (suspected of involvement in 25 murders since 1987). A faction called the "Black Cross" is said to operate as a kind of Satanic Murder Incorporated, fielding anonymous hit teams for cultists nationwide, disposing of defectors and offering pointers on the fine art of human sacrifice. If law enforcement spokesmen are correct, the cult is also deeply involved in white slavery, child pornography , and the international narcotics trade."
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| smith1771
User ID: 427619
5/7/2008 2:13 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
the name "loree" was on a lot of the graffiti i've seen. |
| Denise
User ID: 428373
5/7/2008 2:17 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I have the pics in an album on Photoshop. how do I link to the album so that it shows all 4 pics, like yours did? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429181
5/7/2008 2:17 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Do you have any other pics? The 4 I looked at didn't look the same to me, except the end of the word "children"...that symbol (like a "t") did look the same. Since you looked at Tommy's graffiti, could you make out any of the words? The message is actually repeated along the wall. I have some pics that I took so I'll try to figure out how to post them.
My new graffiti theory: the HVAC tech picks up 2 or 3 Spanish girls along the way... they have a gang style history so graffiti is their thing...these girls easily lure the victims out back or something like that. Or maybe it was only Spanish girls in Tommy's case. Maybe they were told to leave the graffiti (smiley face) and these Spanish girls just got a little more creative than other girls did in the other cases. I definately think girls are involved in luring these guys away from their friends. Quoting: Denise 428373
those pics are all in the same area-you have the motel across from the river-the bridge that leads to the river and pictures from around the bridge and river.the victim could have been abducted somewhere around the motel and this would have been an easy route to take him.they would not even need a car or van. |
| smith1771
User ID: 427619
5/7/2008 2:18 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
that "children" story worries me |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 368943
5/7/2008 2:21 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Do you have any other pics? The 4 I looked at didn't look the same to me, except the end of the word "children"...that symbol (like a "t") did look the same. Since you looked at Tommy's graffiti, could you make out any of the words? The message is actually repeated along the wall. I have some pics that I took so I'll try to figure out how to post them.
My new graffiti theory: the HVAC tech picks up 2 or 3 Spanish girls along the way... they have a gang style history so graffiti is their thing...these girls easily lure the victims out back or something like that. Or maybe it was only Spanish girls in Tommy's case. Maybe they were told to leave the graffiti (smiley face) and these Spanish girls just got a little more creative than other girls did in the other cases. I definately think girls are involved in luring these guys away from their friends. Quoting: Denise 428373
na it's not a gang,
gang peeps kill outright, they stab or shoot you ,
or beat you to death,
they want people to see it to fear them.
they want power and respect.
..........
these killing are way worse cause if it's true it gos all round the country, some "group" is working off list or lists.
i still think it's a para-military group or ulta-pro america
death squad.
even if say, it were some kind of "other countrys special forces", working inside the usa ,
i could see a cover up, not wanting to panic the whole country.
"special forces" do go in to countrys and cause mayhem,
they mite try to be random.
but some groups killing people from a list. |
| smith1771
User ID: 427619
5/7/2008 2:22 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
photobucket |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429181
5/7/2008 2:23 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
I have the pics in an album on Photoshop. how do I link to the album so that it shows all 4 pics, like yours did? Quoting: Denise 428373
all i did was copy the link of the web address at the top of my screen and pasted it here |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 287506
5/7/2008 2:24 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
i didnt say they have a list.. this maybe something else. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 368943
5/7/2008 2:26 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Do you have any other pics? The 4 I looked at didn't look the same to me, except the end of the word "children"...that symbol (like a "t") did look the same. Since you looked at Tommy's graffiti, could you make out any of the words? The message is actually repeated along the wall. I have some pics that I took so I'll try to figure out how to post them.
My new graffiti theory: the HVAC tech picks up 2 or 3 Spanish girls along the way... they have a gang style history so graffiti is their thing...these girls easily lure the victims out back or something like that. Or maybe it was only Spanish girls in Tommy's case. Maybe they were told to leave the graffiti (smiley face) and these Spanish girls just got a little more creative than other girls did in the other cases. I definately think girls are involved in luring these guys away from their friends.
those pics are all in the same area-you have the motel across from the river-the bridge that leads to the river and pictures from around the bridge and river.the victim could have been abducted somewhere around the motel and this would have been an easy route to take him.they would not even need a car or van. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 429181
before you start going after the taggers
you need to ask around and find out if any of
local taggers know anything.
rember your local taggers, would know what tags don't belong,
or are new/ not seen be fore,
some one's freind or bro or sis will know the local taggers/
they can and will know whats , what. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 287506
5/7/2008 2:29 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
maybe they are filming the killings also- like snuff films.
arms/drugs/porn/snuff all that shit |
| listless
User ID: 400555
5/7/2008 2:30 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Agreed re the list.
Discovering what the list is would help.
The I-94 killer(s).
That fits in with the occult side of this.
9+4
=
13 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 368943
5/7/2008 2:32 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
in fact here an idea,
i can't spell well ,
so some one who can spell well and search well,
may be able to search on line ,
for tagger art in citys , or round the areas
of the victims,
start at collages , art pages , and tatoo pages,
hip hop art pages.
hell you mite even email the photo's
of the smilly face pics and what ever other pics they
have to local taggers web pages.
i am not saying all tagger have web pages but
all they do is look at this kinda art,
so maybe one of them will have something up
on aweb page or
know some one who like that kinda art,
it's along shot
but you never know. |
| Denise
User ID: 428373
5/7/2008 2:38 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 423521
5/7/2008 2:42 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
The alphabet soup agencies have many "front companies". Trane could be one of them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 425879
I was thinking the same thing.. even the name sounds like TRAIN maybe they are programming monarchs there. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 368943
5/7/2008 2:56 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
it worked |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 368943
5/7/2008 2:59 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
on a side note,
i found this to be really wierd,
i wonder if these will be found in
the city or around them were the victims
were found.
[link to www.roadsideamerica.com] |
| hopetheygetcaughtsoon
User ID: 429473
5/7/2008 4:12 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 368943
I have been following this story and reading a lot of different forums (nephew in college) and I'm a mom. I looked at the graffiti pics and noticed that same face and crown are on the newest graffiti found in Middlebury. The writing looks different, but the crown is an eerie similarity. Foxnews has pics of the Middlebury graffiti. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 287506
5/7/2008 4:30 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
the name "loree" was on a lot of the graffiti i've seen. Quoting: smith1771 427619
i dunno, but its a building at Douglas Campus, Loree Building The State University of New Jersey
[link to maps.rutgers.edu] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429497
5/7/2008 4:56 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
A couple years we had billbaords up in MN listing the missing college aged men (there were enough of them to require a billboard). Of the ones that were found, they are part of the story that broke about Christ Jenkins as being possibly linked. At the time these billboards were going up, I thought that the deaths and disappearances seemed too coincidental to be random and thought about the possibility of a serial killer. I had thought immediately that a traveling salesperson or truck driver could be involved. In doing research some time back, I came across a professor at St. Cloud State University (SCSU) that has also thought there was a pattern and researched it. He has been mentioned in several of the articles that came out about the Jenkins case (Prof Lee Gilbertson). Google him and see what he has to say. It is very interesting from someone that studies crime. The theory of this being a Trane employee is very interesting and there have been some good points made. I tend to think this is one person (serial killers rarely work together) and there doesn't seem to be anything ritualistic in the killings-- no signs of damage to the body that would be typical in a cult killing. Also, the more people in on it, the more likely someone is going to talk and to have 40 deaths, that's big enough you would expect someone to be bragging about it if there were more than one killer. The article below mentions the professor from SCSU.
[link to www.vanceholmes.com] |
| creed
User ID: 419005
5/7/2008 4:58 PM
 | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Reading several profiles of serial killers or killings in serial, I think the focus on the smiley face is to those people off. I way the smiley is drawn signifies a successful death and I think that's just a symbol to signify that. I think guys are on to something greater with the other graffiti. Is there a site where all of the graffiti has been released or atleast a great bit of it, that would tell us a small something.
Also, I believe the greatest of the graffiti has or the clues that are found at a new murder site, that are clues from a previous murder that information has get to be released. I still think the significance of I-94 and water are a great part of this investigation. They want these victims to be found and they know that by placing the victims in water, they clearly will be found. Does anyone know the actual time of death of these victims from the time there were missing to the time they were found in the water, I believe that would give us a clue as to how they murders are being planned and done. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 368943
5/7/2008 5:05 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
any of the place around I-94
have those smilly face water towers? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 287506
5/7/2008 5:06 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
Anonymous Coward 429497 - you dunno shit!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429527
5/7/2008 6:00 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
A couple years we had billbaords up in MN listing the missing college aged men (there were enough of them to require a billboard). Of the ones that were found, they are part of the story that broke about Christ Jenkins as being possibly linked. At the time these billboards were going up, I thought that the deaths and disappearances seemed too coincidental to be random and thought about the possibility of a serial killer. I had thought immediately that a traveling salesperson or truck driver could be involved. In doing research some time back, I came across a professor at St. Cloud State University (SCSU) that has also thought there was a pattern and researched it. He has been mentioned in several of the articles that came out about the Jenkins case (Prof Lee Gilbertson). Google him and see what he has to say. It is very interesting from someone that studies crime. The theory of this being a Trane employee is very interesting and there have been some good points made. I tend to think this is one person (serial killers rarely work together) and there doesn't seem to be anything ritualistic in the killings-- no signs of damage to the body that would be typical in a cult killing. Also, the more people in on it, the more likely someone is going to talk and to have 40 deaths, that's big enough you would expect someone to be bragging about it if there were more than one killer. The article below mentions the professor from SCSU.
[ link to www.vanceholmes.com]
I think the term "serial killings" has nothing to do with the number of killers. Ritualistic killings can still be serial killings and done by more than one person. I think the reason none of the killers have talked is because there is a picture or video of them killing someone. It insures their code of silence.
There are a few posts of stories about possible victims that have survived and have mentioned two men.
Most satanic cults do seem to do blood sacrifices but maybe sacrifice by water has meaning.
I still think that these killings are done by a group or groups that are connected to some larger organization.
My best guess is that it involves an initiation rite of some kind. I think the group or groups doing it, even if not the traditional satanic cult, at least have satanic cult overtones.
But at this point your guess is as good as mine or anybody elses. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429571
5/7/2008 7:53 PM | | Re: The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane? | Quote |
the name "loree" was on a lot of the graffiti i've seen.
i dunno, but its a building at Douglas Campus, Loree Building The State University of New Jersey
[ link to maps.rutgers.edu]
Whoa. Hope it's not a clue to the location of a future murder such as Sinsiniwa was. |
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