The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane?

Thomas Hecht, Milwaukee: [link to www.wisn.com]

Lookslikethekillersarebackinwisconsin.
Multiple cased
But not in la crosse lately

Don't hear much in the media anymore.

Its funny, to essentially pull it off, they would have to make sure their subject are drunk(hense the after the bar trend) although they could always make victims consume alcohol after abducted. They would also have to drown their victims in a mobile vehicle, as drowning in these locations would be too risky. It seems alot less risky to drown them at another location and then dump them in the water. If this is indeed murder, it would be impossible for them to drown their victims at their dump sites. I dont know if its possible to deterime if a victim did indeed drown in a certain body of water, however I doubt that this is looked upon as the bodies are in the water for long periods of time thus any traces of other water would be gone.

They could always just aproach their victims and make them drink a mickey(thats spiked with whatever drug they use) at gun point. That seems like a viable way which could work because its either drink the mikey or get shot. Anyways, if these are indeed murders they are playing on the ignorance of police forces around the world. History has proven that something needs to happen for certain things to change. It just seems that dismissing all of these cases based on the fact that these students have high alcohol content is pretty rediculous. Anyways thats my two cents and i believe these are art murders. Kinda like the suffolk strangler except they fiend of the art of being perfect with their murders. And pretty much everybody knowledgeable criminologist knows that the perfect murders are ones that are never known to be murder.

BTW to the original message.

It would be highly unprobable that chris would have been drowned in the body of water that of which he was found in. He was probably drowned in the cargo van which contained some sort of water containment aparatus. This is the lowest risk option and would be very easy to acomplish if your subject is drugged or extremely entoxicated.

The FBI knows who the killer probably is if there is one,but failed to connect all the dots. A Milwaukee FBI investigator became aware of the suspect in 2001 or 2002. A man who lived in the Ann Arbor region for a while sent his ex girlfriend threatening e mails. She already knew he was calling the police as a fake witness that would claim to have seen the victim the night he disappeared. This is a man with an obsession with patterns and numbers. Those pattern theories that have floated around the internet are not that far fetched at all, though some may be wrong. The girlfriend turned him in for making those phone calls. She knew about some instances where he called in and used the initials of the victim. There was a lot they did not do however. They only looked at areas where they knew for sure he had connections ,but there was a much larger area then what they looked at where LE was getting calls from alleged witnesses that used the same initials as the victims. This includes lacrosse. They will not tell the public that they do not know if the people that called in are who they said they were. It goes all the way back to when Anthony Skifton and Charles Blatz disappeared. Those calls kept coming in about until the time Chris Jenkins disappeared. IT was someone claiming to be Steven James Cox that called that one in. He found the body. A body that was put in the water not long before it was allegedly found. Suspicious calls in fact came in at least as late as 2007 but the FBI did not investigate for the same reason. They started with suspects and only look at where they knew they could connect them to. They did not look at all the similarites and go from there. They ignored the fact that Craig Burrows was missing the same day but a different year as Charles Blatz. Well I could go on and on and on and some could just be coincidence,but the coincidences would be far to great for it to all be coincidence.

New drowning.
[link to usnews.msnbc.msn.com]

Yea I read about this yesterday. Another drowning that is chalked up to an accident due to the presence of alcohol. The funny thing is, he was celebrating graduation at the bar, which would have made him an easy target.
Whenever I read a SFK case, I always ask myself, why this person. Was it a crime of opportunity or was the subject in a situation which would draw attention to himself (IE celebrating graduation) I always seem to come to the conclusion that the murdered subjects in question,would appeal to the said murderers because of the fact that they are at the bar to celebrate something, thus getting super wasted. Also, it seems for the trend of subjects leaving the bar solo to occur, drugs must be in the picture. The only reason someone would leave a bar without their friends is if they were sick. I have been in a situation where I was really sick at the bar and felt like i needed to puke everywhere. I left the bar and didnt want my friends or anyone to see me for fear of being publically ridiculed for being unable to hold my liquor. It turns out that I was slipped a date rape drug obviously meant for the cup of one of the female partners I was with. Now that I think about it, its almost the perfect way to get someone on their own, especially if their with close friends(because friends are extremely judgemental). If these subjects are indeed being drugged, it would make sense because it would bring on the feeling that they are overly drunk, thus making them leave the bar to yak in some alleyway or would make the bar kick the person out for appearing overly drunk(a common theme in the smiley face theory). Anyways, i dont ever plan on commiting murder in my life, however, it seems like its as easy as getting someone super wasted and throwig them in a lake. When alcohol and a lack of motive are found, it becomes the perfect art murder. When you read my last post on this page, it offers a viable explanation as to how they drown their victims without anyone witnessing a struggle or any suspicious activity.
Because lets be honest, if they did succeed in abducting these people, I highly doubt educated criminal mastermind psycopaths would take the risk of drowning their victims at their dump site. They drown them at another location that of which offers signifigantly less risk than drowning them in a public area such as the locations at which they were found. Lets take Jelani Brinson for example. We know Jelani was murdered for a fact, no matter what the police feel. Their was obvious signs of a struggle and he was found in a pond which wasnt even deep enough to cover his shoulder should he stand in it. Furthermore this pond was on a golf course. Such a place that Jelani would never be randomly skulking around in the early morning hours just to accidentaly fall and hit his head on something, then roll into the pond. And without his shoe aswell? The fact that the scene of the abduction showed signs of a struggle however he was discovered without any signs of a struggle on his body (Such as subduing wounds)makes me think that we got some sort of dexter running around, and needling people in the neck.

There are still investigations going on but LE is not talking. Don't know if they still consider them unrelated drownings or if the Lacrosse police are still in denial,but Lacrosse is not the whole nation. They decided to take a second look at the Grendel case ,but have not heard anything.I may have helped solve a case hey are doing a search saturday where the victim may have been killed. I can't keep you all updated if I wanted to as this site bans like crazy. If an announcement is made it will be at another site

Boston victims in the last five years (three this year) are: Dustin Willis, Gene Losik, Greg Hart, William Hurley, Nathan Bihlmaier, Franco Garcia, Jonathan Dailey, Alex Grant, and David Mark. Google produces public information about each case.

Jonathan Dailey, the most recent Boston victim who was found in the Charles River two weeks ago, was a graduate of Appalachian State College in North Carolina. He went to high school at Northwest School of the Arts in Charlotte, NC. On Sept. 29, an Appalachian State College student named Tyler Blalock was found drowned in a stream on the campus, having been last seen leaving a party in an inebriated condition (classic Smiley Face). Blalock attended high school at North Mecklenberg High School, in the immediate Charlotte area. Blalock would have been about four years younger than Dailey. Two other Boston Smiley Face victims were originally from North Carolina, Dustin Willis and William Hurley. Could this be a meaningful correlation? Having grown up in the same community, attended the same public school system, and the same university, Dailey and Blalock almost certainly shared some social accqaintances. Unfortunately, the NC police have already caleed Blalock an "accidental drowning", and might not be investigating this.

They are full of you know what. now only are they killing they often pick victims ahead of time. some are probably gay hook ups families keep quiet about because they don't want to be embarrassed. They have not just left cryptic clues with graffiti,they do it with the murders themselves. Its been at least 15 years of murders and they are still going strong. face it. Cops are more like barney fife then like those guys on CSI.

You just blew my mind

John Luke Edwards....Jelani brinson.....

Abc in Chicago will be running a feature story on their 10pm newcast Monday evening about mysterious deaths of 100's of young men.

1980 video game 'Berzerk' and relation to Smiley Face:

- Evil Otto: Invincible smiley face villain
- Designer: Mcneil (Mcneil one of the victims along with some 'Neils')
- Evil Otto based on a security guard named 'Otto' who 'smiled when he chewed you out'.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Crazy world. What does a 1980 video game have to do with this?

there was an old movie about this .
also a new one released

Can we get this one going again?

maybe he worked for Trane, had a uniform. Poses as a technician.

If it's young college guys, I'd bet it's a pimp, prostitution thing. Guys are calling up hookers, their pimp/boyfriends are killing them. Pretty typical psychology, the pimp starts to feel for his hooker, the hooker feels for her pimp, they decide to just kill the johns.

Hollywood, tv likes to make jokes about dead hookers, just a case of the hookers strike back maybe. They have pride , too.

I don't think a Trane technician would travel all over the country and Canada, but a pimp and his girls would. they could travel anywhere, be completely off the radar, no employment records, no traces, work off the street.

Hookers can lure the guy anywhere, tell them to meet them anywhere, very easy way to kill people and get away with it.

there is a certain morality to their killing, the pimp and his hooker girlfriend feel like they have a right to kill these guys because they are engaging in prostitution, so their feelings of morality make them not feel guilty about it, so they are less likely to rat each other out. They may see themselves as the good guys in a perverse way, killing whore mongers or something, same way serial killers who prey on prostitutes think they have some moral right to kill them, because they are immoral hookers or something.

did you know there are 12 other matching gang signs other than the 'smiley face' at the scenes , that the police are not telling the public?

12 matching gang signs, they aren't telling you.

Cuz the victims are white and it's a racial attack by black gangs, using white prostitutes are bait.


11,000 untested rape kits in Detroit warehouse, gangs are raping tens of thousands of white women and getting away with it.

11,000 rape kits, untested. One out of ten rapes is reported, so that's 100,000 rapes in Detroit at least.

the police in these cities are letting it happen, they are the gangs.

There is a Trane location in Burlington VT (Williston) I went past it the other day and thought of this,too......... The young Mr. Garza was found in Otter Creek- Middlebury College/Middlebury VT / no drugs, etc.... I think he was pulled out sometime in the Spring.

According to a FOX news report on Nick Garza and his body having been retrieved from Otter Creek @ Middlebury College in Middlebury VT there were graffiti signs according to his mother in this report and they were on a shed or something but the report from FOX did not detail location of shed (2008)

I have some important updates. Class schedules in fact do match with the dates of disappearances. These are typically one week classes they have at their facilities. When a new system comes out a technician would take the one week class to familiarize themselves with it. There has also been a major break in the Patrick Rust case, but no hard evidence as of yet.

Guys the smiley face killer is not one person.

The Smiley Face Killer is simply a motive, that people have come to learn and use.

That motive is drowning drunk people as murder and dumping their bodies in water to stage it as an accident.

Not one person could have commited all of these murders all over the country.

Also if you look at Manchester England, the same exact thing is happening.

People have caught on.

The question is, what people are we talking about.

William Ramsey on youtube seems to think its the homosexual aquatic bdsm sadism fetish crew and they have connected and shared this motive online through the dark web. Check out his youtube channel and documentary on the subject for more info.

Was wondering about this case.
Keep this thread going.