The smiley face killer-is he a technician with Trane?

I don't know too much about this case, but my impressions:

1. makes sense to have girls involved, but they are not the killers, high school aged young men are the killers

2. seems like an internet group/club/gang to me, but not gang in the regular sense, more like those internet suicide club sites

3. Different killers at different sites

If I can focus more today and get anything else I will post

Wouldn't it be kool if GLP could break the case wide open for these two detectives.

the "detectives", know way more then any of us about this,
they are "fishing" to see who/what happens.

though one dose wonder how long it would take for them to even see all the threads wrote about this stuff.
i think if you don't send them info to them the'll miss alot.

I just don't buy that this could be kids doing this. This is some kind of shadow gov't, black ops thing.

WHO CAME UP WITH THIS TRANE CONNECTION???. Was the op of this thread or was it postulated in one of the blogs following this story?

Damn right those detectives know a lot more than anyone. It's because of them that we know. That said, if they haven't heard about this Trane theory, they should know. How do you contact them?

I think in one of the posts it was said that the detectives had a website. I might have misread and can't remember which of the several threads on this it was on.

Also, maybe they can be contacted through the female reporter that was also investigating.

I've been reading three threads on this and all of them have some good ideas. All three threads should be sent to the detectives. Who knows? Maybe just one little sentence out of the hundreds of posts will be helpful to them.

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Yes, many good ideas about possible killers here.

But, for me, the Trane tech is diversion.

A Trane tech's victims would be much more random.

Some smart, some average; a cross-section of the general populace.

No, all these victims were extremely bright, gifted, leadership types, some bordering upon genius.

This group of killers is very organized and tied to high level intelligence.

Ask yourself who could profile these kids like this, pick them out, stalk and kill???

A Trane tech???

Traveling with 2 girls?

I think not.

Shadow gov't/black ops/Blackwater types.

That is the better answer.

I sent an e mail to Trane




In 2006 jessiah jameson in Clarksville Tennessee went missing and later found floating in the water .Similar things happen where ever Trane has a plant. In many other cases there is a lot of work done by technicians who install and maintain your products and they also have young men turning up dead. .After a rash of drownings in Lacrosse Wisconsin,people began to take notice.In one instance a student was killed that went to Middlebury College .Middlebury often contracts their work to Trane of Albany,where coincidentaly another student was found dead.I am curious to know if you had factory training going on during the time the young men went missing.Jessiah jameson diappeared on the 16 of November 2006.Did clarksville have factory training for someone who may have come from out of town at that time?

Be sure and let us know if you get an answer to your email!

Maybe on to something.A guy all alone,2 girls come up to him.The young guy would be thinking all about the girls while they chat him up.He will feel very safe,(and or this is my lucky night)and not be watching what is going on all around him. A van pulls up,1 or 2 males jump out,gass him and toss him in the back of the van.He has to be knocked out in order to get in the back of van. Would any of you males just jump in? Now a woman would not.Might be easy to get them in the van with a promise of sex? Would any of you jump into a Trane van,even if the girls said they work for Trane? GUYS your take on this?

anything been written about the famlys?[of the dead people]
do they suport some group or groups?
are they all rich? or well off?
are they dem's? or lib's?
do they send cash to some group? like a church or school?

last , are we seeing the "disappeared" like in
argentina ,
are we looking at a "para-military " group doing the killings
or "death squads".

i think there is lots going on here, we need a full list of sites that they have up so we can read as much info as possable.

2 deaths were where located in minnesota where trane has a plant and conducts factory training,so not only is there a tendency of cities with a Trane factory to have drownings ,they also have more of them.




Nick Rossini 21 yrs.

Missing- 12/16/06 White Bear Lake, MN

Found- 4/16/07

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9) Nathan Edberg 21 yrs.

Missing- 4/14/99 White Bear Lake, MN

Detective Kevin Gannon, Anthony Duarte, and Dr. Lee Gilbertson have a website. They list an email address, a P.O. Box and a phone number for contacts at this address.

The website address is: nationwideinvestigations.com

Intel agencies could easily use a cover like Trane. The Mossad is famous for that. Remember the Israelis picked on 9/11? They were all here "working" or "students".

I'm convinced this is a professional operation. Some gang of common criminals might be able to kill one two strong young men without a trace of trauma, but sure as hell not 40 of them.

CORRECTION: As pointed out in another thread this URL is incorrect. Sorry, so used to typing ".com".

The correct URL is nationwideinvestigations.us

Thank you 385176.

You said very eloquently what I have not been able to, but has been on the edge of my mind.

This is a professional organization. And I would not be suprised in the least if it was mossad/blackwater etc... using trane as a front.

It is something tied to the establishment. Remember Josh Snell and his phone call to a friend??? 'They are after me, I didn't do anything, I am hiding in the brush, I am unsure about how to get away.' Was Josh running from police? Funny how police/fbi are involved in a coverup.
The La Crosse WI chief of police and fbi still refuse to acknowledge the possible presence of a serial killer.
Who are they protecting?

The monastery at Collegeville MN?

Their cult of pedophiles/homosexuals and satanic killers that permeate every level of the church/judicial system/police/political/business/social institutions???


It is NOT a lone Trane tech randomly killing young men.

It is a vile evil that is connected to intelligence. It is like a serpent that can see in the dark. Someone said it back there on one of these threads. It is probably zionist, removing the gentiles from our midst. The best and the brightest are being killed.

Would a demented Trane tech have access to that type of intel??? The odds against a lone random serial killer picking out genius young N American males are astronomical. Especially from a late night bar type setting.

Someone else also wondered what each victim/family had in common.

Are these kids vocal about something anti-government, are they opening people's eyes to the lies of Sept 11. Are they influential in convincing their peers that 'things are not what they seem?'

Are they indigos?

What is the connection?

A lot of the victims have ties to Minnesota.

do you guys realize the actual killer could be posting, or reading this site?

that's crazy to think about.

maybe they are giving out clues or something.

killers love to brag.

found this from google groups:



3. KEEP A MAP OF THE CITY YOU ARE STALKING: The Homocide Detectives will have
a map with pins indicating where you have struck, and thus will try to trace a
pattern or killing area. Plan your killing zones carefully, as well as
randomly. If you WANT to have fun with this though, leave your victims at
strategic points on the map (one on top, one on the upper left of the map, one
on the lower right, etc. etc.). Imagine the faces of the cops that are trying
to figure out your next strike when the pins on the map form a pentagram or a
smiley face.


[link to groups.google.com]

I heard back from the detectives. Here is the e mail.



Thank you for sharing your web research findings.



This is really very fascinating. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

We will definitely consider how this may apply to the investigation.



Thank you again for contacting us.



For the investigative team,

Adam Carlson


Nationwide Investigations:

Gannon, Duarte, Gilbertson, Carlson

No kidding! You sent them the link to this thread, and that's what they said? That's so cool. Did you send the link to the other main thread too? Wow hey they might be reading here now, GOOD WORK GUYS!

No I did not send a link.i mentioned that Trane has several factories where they have classes that technicians often take.That the classes are sometimes for only a few days.I also told them about the theory refrigerant could have been used to sedate a victim and that i requested a class schedule for previous years.Classes in Clarksville Tennessee,where I live are only for a few days twice a year,the odds of there being classes at the time of the drowning here or 2 days before or after would be 1 in 26.I also told them that there was a dissapearance in Middlebury and a drowning in Albany that could possibly be related because Trane of Albany contracts work for the university in middlebury Vermont.I also pointed out that the banning of CFC in 1996 for enviromental reasons created a lot of commercial work for technicians .Until someone releases information with the dates of classes and when service or installation work was done at the locations of deaths disappearances and drownings,there is not much more i can do.

I'm glad you sent them all that information but I'm not sure why you didn't mention Godlikeproductions? Wouldn't it have helped to send them here?

I wrote a quick letter and rushed off to work

There is a post on page three of the other thread (just put "serial" into the search box) by a James Redmond or Reford that goes WAY into the intel angle. Really insightful analysis. Plus the detectives have said this is an organization with hiearchy (sp).

Since we don't know what the exact prophile of the victims is, it's hard to say if a serial killer could do it. Serial killers DO profile their victims. That said, serial killers don't operate in organizations. These killers are sociopaths. AGAIN, Blackwater comes to mind.

Besides that, i have no reason to link to a site ,when i got banned because i use aol and no one let me back in.

Who came up with this connection to Trane? Did it come from one the blogs that have been linked?

It was me.i live in Clarksville Tennesse.Trane offten has classes here a few days in the fall.I requested the class schedule from Trane and i have been in contact with National Investigations.That was me that posted the response i got from them.

A thread on this was removed from here.

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I am going to the riverwalk to look around when i have a chance.The traffic around Ft campbell has been unusualy heavy.i can't get there and i had to turn around and come back.

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taken near where Jessiah Jameson dissapeared.

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