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THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER
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Vianova
12/15/2004 1:46 AM
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
thanks |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
 NICE!!! |
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Fish
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | |
Vianova
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
Hey Fish,
I love photos like that,
but I have noticed that many images are taken early in the Martian day it seems ,
as evidenced by the long shadow of the object, as seen in magnification.
The sun is low on the horizon possibly causing a reflection effect on the object from the horizontal viewing plane. |
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The Foreskin Oracle
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
Hey Vianova. Care to predict what form of water exists on Mars? |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
You know Vianova, one of the great things about science, and something you anti-science woo-woos canīt seem to get through your heads, is that scientists LOVE IT when theyīre wrong. That usually means thereīs lots of new theories and data to get their teeth into.
Science NEVER claims itīs "always right" - those are words you keep putting in others mouths - and scientists (yes, including Phil Plait) will admit when they were wrong about something - something you woo-woos always have difficulty with.
There are a lot of unexplained things coming up in the mars data and images, which is why they need further investigation. One thing which hasnīt appeared is open surface water though, and just because a photo might LOOK like it shows a lake, that doesnīt mean it IS a lake.
Lets wait for more data so we can find out for sure, instead of jumping to conclusions based on a couple of photos. |
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The Foreskin Oracle
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
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This is a demonstably false assertion. Scientists unfortunately, are all too human and do not have any inherent propensity toward morality than any other reprobate. Without considering the ego factor, scientists in particular have consistently fabricated data to suit other agendas and funding needs. Phil Plait was onesuch a charlatan.
Now wold you care to go out on a limb and predict what form of water might be found on Mars? |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
at the very least "permafrost" |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
The WET Kind! |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | |
Emperor Kenton
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | |
Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
 vianova! |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | |
the thinker
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
Makes me wonder what all NASA isnīt telling us. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
I like the Mars bunny ears best! Too bad they decided to run the rover over the top of it. Below is an animation of it moving either under itīs own power, or due to Mars winds. Either way, pretty damned incredible.
[link to marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov] |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
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This is a demonstably false assertion. Scientists unfortunately, are all too human and do not have any inherent propensity toward morality than any other reprobate.
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Who said anything about morality?
Finding that some long-believed idea or theory is wrong is what a lot of scientists work for and dream of. You wonīt get a Nobel prize for proving Einstein right, but youīll get one for proving him wrong!
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Without considering the ego factor, scientists in particular have consistently fabricated data to suit other agendas and funding needs. Phil Plait was onesuch a charlatan.
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You have proof of this? Post it and lets see for ourselves. |
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NASA Deceit NLI
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
"Science NEVER claims itīs "always right" - those are words you keep putting in others mouths - and scientists (yes, including Phil Plait) will admit when they were wrong about something - something you woo-woos always have difficulty with."
I take exception to that statement especially about Phil Plait. I sent him a letter and posted it here on GLP asking for him to admit he was wrong when he insisted that the Mars Rover colors were correct. We woo woos (as you like to call us) immediately noticed they were the wrong color due to several factors, including the sundial calibration colors, the cable foam wrap being pink instead of blue, and the cable wrap not being yellow like the assembly pictures taken at KSC clearly showed during prep for Delta rocket attachment.
After this went around for several months the Pancam designer himself, Dr. Bell admitting that they used the WRONG filters to show an accurate color picture to the human eye.
This is when I sent my letter and Dr. Phil refused to answer. So much for him admitting his mistake even when Dr. Bell did. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
[link to www.marsunearthed.com]
So like without surface water these must be magic clouds? right?
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You donīt need surface water to form clouds.
Clouds are condensations of ATMOSPHERIC water vapour. How it got there could have several explanations, but a lot could come from the polar ice caps. If there is underground ice or permafrost, it could submlimate directly to vapour. |
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Vianova
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
I am off to work this morn. soI have little time.
The water on mars would have to be a solution that is composed of diluted compounds which adjust to the low atmospheric pressure in order for it to not boil off immediately.
Or the atmospheruc pressure at the surface is higher than being admitted to.
I am not sure of highly briny water will do this.
It may be something in the water we have no idea of.
Nowhere ever do I not use scientific backup for my proposals. Phil Plait has always been the first to poopoo water on Mars.
The C@C interview bore that out, though the evidence in the Phil Plait Comittmrent to Fact thread is purged from the GLP archives.It was when Plait was challenged on C2C to debate McCanney.
If YOU READ PuPPs thread,
[link to www.puppstheories.com]
or his Mars thread in the general discussion section,
I clearly attempt to explain everything from a geologic perspective first, and generally debunk
the crater dome as artifiial,and the lifeforms as unlikely due to the great size from the scale of the pictures, unless of course these are lifeforms that arte not understood by the most limited field in NASA science-Astrobiology.
There is absolutely no question that water occurs in limited stable form on the Martian surface NOW. Malins evidence bears this out.
The "Bunny Ears" formation which NASA had the Rover squish purposely, was most likely an old salt precipitate as occurs on shallow Antarctic ocean bottoms. |
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Vianova
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
From the PuPP thread by Serqlia
The Malin water evidence on Mars
[link to www.msss.com]
[link to barsoom.msss.com]
[link to nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov]
[link to www.msss.com]
Evidence for recent groundwater seepage and surface runoff on Mars, M. C. Malin and K. S. Edgett, Science, 288, 2330-2335, 2000. Abstract, Full Text
Oceans or seas in the martian northern lowlands: High resolution imaging tests of proposed coastlines, M. C. Malin and K. S. Edgett, Geophysical Research Letters, 26(19), 3049-3052, 1999. Full Text
Lake Steadman
from cyberspaceorbit
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
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Life on Venus
[link to www.chron.com]
Life on Venus may be microbe clouds
Research team says conditions could be right
By TODD ACKERMAN
Copyright 2002 Houston Chronicle
Venus is considered the most inhospitable of planets, a barren inferno where surface temperatures approach 900 degrees Fahrenheit and the atmosphere is composed of metal-eating acids.
But the second planet from the sun actually may be harboring life, according to a University of Texas at El Paso research team. Studying conditions above the surface, it noticed mysterious patches swirling around, which may be communities of bacteria.
"From an astrobiology point of view, Venus is not hopeless, said Dirk Schulze-Makuch, a professor of hydrology and environmental science, who led the research. "Iīd even argue that the chance for life on Venus is about as plausible as the chance for life on Mars."
The teamīs theory is that microbes could be living in clouds 30 miles up in the Venusian atmosphere, where conditions are relatively balmy -- water droplets are present, the temperature is 158 degrees Fahrenheit and the atmosphere is similar to what it is on Earth. Using data from the Russian Venera space missions and the U.S. Pioneer Venus and Magellan probes, the team found chemical oddities there that could be explained by the presence of living microbes.
Expecting to find high levels of carbon monoxide created by sunlight and lightning, the researchers instead found hydrogen sulphide and sulphur dioxide, gases normally not found together unless something is producing them. They also found carbonyl sulphide, a gas so difficult to produce by inorganic chemistry that it is generally considered to be a marker for living organisms.
Schulze-Makuch said there may be unknown ways to produce hydrogen or carbonyl sulphide, but both need catalysts. On Earth, the most efficient catalysts are microbes.
He suggested the bugs could be using ultraviolet light from the sun as an energy source, which would explain the presence of strange dark patches on ultraviolet images of the planet.
Nevertheless, some scientists are skeptical.
"I am reluctant to believe this result," said Andre Brack from the Centre for Molecular Biophysics in Orleans, France. "For life, you need a volume of water, not just tiny droplets."
But Schulze-Makuch argued that there is chemical evidence that Venus was once cooler and had oceans, and that life could have started there and retreated to stable niches once the runaway greenhouse effect began.
Thereīs likely to be a wait for any firm answers. NASA lists a Venus mission as only a "medium priority," causing Schulze-Makuch to say,
"Forget about the chances, if we go to war with Iraq."
The European Space Agency is planning a 2005 launch of its Venus Expression mission, an investigation of the planetīs atmosphere. And the Swedish Space Agency is looking for international partners to develop its idea for a mission to return a sample of the atmosphere from Venus around 2010.
The teamīs research was published in the summer 2002 issue of the journal Astrobiology and presented at a conference in Austria in September. Schulze-Makuch and team member Louis Irwin are both members of NASAīs Europa Focus Group. |
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Vianova
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
That was the PuPP thread by
SERALIA
sorry S,
in a hurry and did not log in to edit spelling..
The latest post in the PuPP thread by me
Arthur C Clarkes trees
Excellent.
I had known about the image data information , but missed the scale.
OK the Arthur C Clarkes image of "trees"
best looked at is
[link to barsoom.msss.com]
apply arrow to image and there is a magnification program in the image lower right
This image rendition is vertical and downloads showing the progression of the "tree" formations
downwards into a virtual forest density.
The top trees are in a 2.83 kilometer wide image .
the top most leftside tree is thus 3/4 kilometer in diameter if this scale is true.
It is either
Not a tree, like the "braven trees " Clarke suggested, or it is
unknown lifeform.
Or the scale is wrong.
Notice by the shadows cast by the smaller trees and large rocks in the top of the image , that the larger round features are no higher than the smaller ones.
These would be low to the ground lifeforms that generate radially.
Low to the ground makes sense certainly in relation to Martian wind storms impact.
Thus as a lifeform, they would be adapted to thrive with little water.
Or ..no water...?
As I said in the thread , if ANY of the
mesa-gully pictures with suspicious life looking activity are truly exhibiting life, then they all are lifeforms.
I explained most of these as dust or C02 snow inundations revealing surface rock exposures...
However, life is just as good a possible explanation at this point in some of them.
see my recolorized NASA photo of "dust" on page 2 of the thread, and the simple process of photo manipulations..
NASAīs B&W pictures are suspect to say the least.
NASA astrobiology needs to look at completely unique lifeforms. |
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Professor Archtype
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
Real scientists love to be wrong. Bureaucrats, however, will NEVER admit to being wrong. Scientists work for bureaucrats and bureaucrats sign their paychecks so scientists, whatever their personal views, tend to tow the bureaucratic line, "We are always right and we never lie." |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
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Morality is assumed in such an absurd assertion. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
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Research team says conditions could be right
By TODD ACKERMAN>>
Seems like another Velikovsky deduction being validated. |
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Dirk Gently Holistic Detective
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
Thanks For the Interesting Links |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
Now I know why so many of the grownups laugh at Kernel Vianova. |
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Geneticus
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
You can find photos in the JPL archives going back to the 1970īs that shows frost and what looks like water on Mars. They called it carbon dioxide in the text blurb...
I will have to see if that picture is still out here now... |
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Fish
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
That could be Vianova...there were quite few more they were taking yesterday...like they were to amused by this shiny light colored object...I also have got one of the first wood pictures on my website...guess you really have to be there..lol |
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Cydoniacal
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | |
Vianova
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: THE MOST SPECTACULAR MARS PICTURES EVER | Quote |
in reviewing the Arthur C Clarke trees
[link to barsoom.msss.com]
apply arrow to image and there is a magnification program in the image lower right
This image rendition is vertical and downloads showing the progression of the "tree" formations
downwards into a virtual forest density.
The top trees are in a 2.83 kilometer wide image .
the top most leftside tree is thus 3/4 kilometer in diameter if this scale is true."
Obviously no tree is that size and Clarke refers to this .75 kilometer patch as a clump of trees.
Regardless , if this is so , the implications are enormous, because there are not just a few trees but an entire forest, as the branching features extend into a full density as you scroll down the picture.
Not seeing any visible water source, there is either rainfall occuring, grounwater or the "plants" need little or no water.
A grounwater source seems most likely.
It may be slightly thawing permafrost that is high enough in water content enough to generate or stimulate a growth over a wide area of ice water saturated soil.
The lifeform would be a seed form or fungal initiator.Huge branching fungal outgrowths sound pretty wild, but so do trees. |
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