I believe this is all caused by mankinds constant wars with each other and on our planet. It is a good time to stop all wars. Peace is a must....with each other and our planet. Hey what is there to lose by trying the Peace thing ? right ? Nothing to lose by trying. Oh wait ...that is everything to lose. Thats right ...carry on.
The Earth is sick and angry ...people are sick and angry. Bad bad feeling in the air. Bad bad feeling inside of me. I feel very disturbed. My soul feels sick. Bad majo.
Geologists are not predicting a total collapse of the volcano. If that were to occur you would have your year with no summer and we would be talking a 7 on the VEI. So far it sounds like we are in the 6 range still (as of 3 hours ago) Anyone actually know what is going on there present tense?
By the way the linked article cites the lava as being thick and sticky type. Just the type you need to have for one of these things, the silky smooth Hawaii stuff runs to smoth to be explosive. High viscosity magamas create situations like this, and may be a sign of more to come. Has anyone looked into what is going on at Minchinnavida? Does anyone have research as to how big the magma reservoir is on this thing? They thought it was dead so most likely no, right. Utinam populus Romanus unam cervicem haberet!
By the way the linked article cites the lava as being thick and sticky type. Just the type you need to have for one of these things, the silky smooth Hawaii stuff runs to smoth to be explosive. High viscosity magamas create situations like this, and may be a sign of more to come. Has anyone looked into what is going on at Minchinnavida? Does anyone have research as to how big the magma reservoir is on this thing? They thought it was dead so most likely no, right.
Quoting: Gaius Germaincus
There's very little real data, and it's most likely in Spanish. We'll know more in a few years.
The good news is, it's so far south it's not likely to affect the Northern hemisphere at all. People in Antarctica better watch out tho.
BadMoonRising User ID: 373223 (OP) 5/6/2008 3:54 PM
By the way the linked article cites the lava as being thick and sticky type. Just the type you need to have for one of these things, the silky smooth Hawaii stuff runs to smoth to be explosive. High viscosity magamas create situations like this, and may be a sign of more to come. Has anyone looked into what is going on at Minchinnavida? Does anyone have research as to how big the magma reservoir is on this thing? They thought it was dead so most likely no, right.
There's very little real data, and it's most likely in Spanish. We'll know more in a few years.
The good news is, it's so far south it's not likely to affect the Northern hemisphere at all. People in Antarctica better watch out tho.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373696
That's not true at all.
This shit is getting pumped into the atmosphere at over 16 miles high. If it carries on for even a few more days, this dust will be spread across the globe by the jet streams
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Tambora erupted in 1815 with a rating of seven on the Volcanic Explosivity Index, making it the largest eruption since the Lake Taupo eruption in AD 181.[4] The explosion was heard on Sumatra island (more than 2,000 km or 1,200 mi away). Heavy volcanic ash falls were observed as far away as Borneo, Sulawesi, Java and Maluku islands. The death toll was at least 71,000 people, of whom 11,000–12,000 were killed directly by the eruption;[4] the often-cited figure of 92,000 people killed is believed to be an overestimate.[5] The eruption created global climate anomalies; 1816 became known as the Year Without a Summer because of the effect on North American and European weather. Agricultural crops failed and livestock died in much of the Northern Hemisphere, resulting in the worst famine of the 19th century
i saw the rapid fire modis image of the ash cloud, and its covered a significant portion of south america already, its heading out over the atlantic towards africa and then india and china, i think it will circle the globe, this is going to add to the poor crop yeilds.
The good news is, it's so far south it's not likely to affect the Northern hemisphere at all. People in Antarctica better watch out tho.
That's not true at all.
Quoting: BadMoonRising 373223
Tambora is very near the equator. Chaiten is south of the tropics, way south. In the northern hemisphere weather tends to move northeast, but in the southern hemisphere it moves southeast. So far there's no comparison of this to Tambora, Krakatoa or any of the famous explosive eruptions. Impressive yes, but not world ending.
By the way the linked article cites the lava as being thick and sticky type. Just the type you need to have for one of these things, the silky smooth Hawaii stuff runs to smoth to be explosive. High viscosity magamas create situations like this, and may be a sign of more to come. Has anyone looked into what is going on at Minchinnavida? Does anyone have research as to how big the magma reservoir is on this thing? They thought it was dead so most likely no, right.
There's very little real data, and it's most likely in Spanish. We'll know more in a few years.
The good news is, it's so far south it's not likely to affect the Northern hemisphere at all. People in Antarctica better watch out tho.
That's not true at all.
This shit is getting pumped into the atmosphere at over 16 miles high. If it carries on for even a few more days, this dust will be spread across the globe by the jet streams
Quote:
Tambora erupted in 1815 with a rating of seven on the Volcanic Explosivity Index, making it the largest eruption since the Lake Taupo eruption in AD 181.[4] The explosion was heard on Sumatra island (more than 2,000 km or 1,200 mi away). Heavy volcanic ash falls were observed as far away as Borneo, Sulawesi, Java and Maluku islands. The death toll was at least 71,000 people, of whom 11,000–12,000 were killed directly by the eruption;[4] the often-cited figure of 92,000 people killed is believed to be an overestimate.[5] The eruption created global climate anomalies; 1816 became known as the Year Without a Summer because of the effect on North American and European weather. Agricultural crops failed and livestock died in much of the Northern Hemisphere, resulting in the worst famine of the 19th century
Quoting: BadMoonRising 373223
it's not the dust, it's the S02 we need to worry about. this thing is INJECTING it into the stratosphere. 5 days now. Hopefully not high enough at 16 miles to globally impact our weather, HOPEFULLY!
what is the LATEST situation?
I've got a feeling we're in deep shit here.
BadMoonRising User ID: 373223 (OP) 5/6/2008 4:21 PM
The good news is, it's so far south it's not likely to affect the Northern hemisphere at all. People in Antarctica better watch out tho.
That's not true at all.
Tambora is very near the equator. Chaiten is south of the tropics, way south. In the northern hemisphere weather tends to move northeast, but in the southern hemisphere it moves southeast. So far there's no comparison of this to Tambora, Krakatoa or any of the famous explosive eruptions. Impressive yes, but not world ending.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373696
You can't say that for sure because the eruption is still going on...
i saw the rapid fire modis image of the ash cloud, and its covered a significant portion of south america already, its heading out over the atlantic towards africa and then india and china, i think it will circle the globe, this is going to add to the poor crop yeilds.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 425533
Quite apocolyptically convenient, huh? Right stuff going to the wrong place at the very wrongest of times.
By the way the linked article cites the lava as being thick and sticky type. Just the type you need to have for one of these things, the silky smooth Hawaii stuff runs to smoth to be explosive. High viscosity magamas create situations like this, and may be a sign of more to come. Has anyone looked into what is going on at Minchinnavida? Does anyone have research as to how big the magma reservoir is on this thing? They thought it was dead so most likely no, right.
There's very little real data, and it's most likely in Spanish. We'll know more in a few years.
The good news is, it's so far south it's not likely to affect the Northern hemisphere at all. People in Antarctica better watch out tho.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373696
Thank God no one lives in the Southern Hemisphere and that no crops are grown there.
One fortunate thing is that it is winter there so maybe some of this can be sorted out before the growing season starts. As for the Northern Hemisphere, it all depends on the heighth of the plume. 20km no big deal, 40km a different story. You are right to state that examples given are not precise analogs, but while I think we know that this is a VEI6 just from the photos we don't know the duration or the intenisty in the near future or amount of SO2 injeced into the stratoshere, etc. Like the OP it aint over yet.
Put into perspective, this seems much more impressive than St. Helens by several orders of magnitude. How it compares to Pinatubo will be a benchmark really and we won't know 'till the major event ends. As for the great historical examples, I still think we are outside that range and while cooling the climate somewhat, reducing crop yields in certain geographic areas, contibuting to slightly cooler temps in some areas, etc. it looks regional. Your argument is it regional or is this a global phenom. I think it very borderline regional edging on global, but... We simply do not know yet and like you said, maybe won't know for a few years. Unless the whole mountain collapses in on itself inundating the area with water and and other such possible mega doom possibilities which are I suppose possible but presently considered not likely, fortunately. Utinam populus Romanus unam cervicem haberet!
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"We simply do not know yet and like you said, maybe won't know for a few years. Unless the whole mountain collapses in on itself inundating the area with water and and other such possible mega doom possibilities which are I suppose possible but presently considered not likely, fortunately."
I think this is the main point. We don't know and they (the 'scientists') don't know Jack.
This was a dormant volcano that hasn't erupted for thousands of years.
No-one knows how this will pan out - but my heart goes out to all those in the immediate vicinity.
Quote:
"We simply do not know yet and like you said, maybe won't know for a few years. Unless the whole mountain collapses in on itself inundating the area with water and and other such possible mega doom possibilities which are I suppose possible but presently considered not likely, fortunately."
I think this is the main point. We don't know and they (the 'scientists') don't know Jack.
This was a dormant volcano that hasn't erupted for thousands of years.
No-one knows how this will pan out - but my heart goes out to all those in the immediate vicinity.
Quoting: BadMoonRising 373223
exactamundo! I find it funny that the scientists are totally perplexed, stumped, off the mark and just dunno. Yet we keep seeking their advice. What's that old saying about insanity being the definition of doing the same thing all the time and expecting a different outcome?
Unusual Earthquake Swarm Off Oregon Coast Puzzles
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080413184801.htm
Climate Change: Undersea quake swarm puzzles the experts
dealingwithclimatechange.blogspot.com/2008/04/undersea-qua ke-swarm-puzzles-experts.html
Chile eruption spurs evacuations
BBC News, UK - 2 hours ago
Chaiten volcano in the southern Patagonia region began erupting on Friday for the first time in 450 years, taking local officials by surprise. ...
[link to news.bbc.co.uk]
Scientists Puzzled By Bee Deaths
www.kirotv.com/news/13210619/detail.html
Deaths of thousands of bats has scientists puzzled
www.texarkanagazette.com/news/WireHeadlines/2008/02/15/dea ths-of-thousands-of-bats-has-scientis-45.php
Guess what? Scientists JUST DON'T KNOW why bees are disappearing, quakes are swarming, bats are dying, dormant volcanoes are erupting, salmon aren't spawning.
But I do.
It's God.
Scientists will never believe that. So they keep trying the same thing and expecting a different outcome. Jesus is coming soon. Are you ready?
"And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." Luke 21:28 (KJV)
Brand new explosions. Underground tremblings and loud noises. Orange coloured clouds at the cone...etc
Nearby town completly evacuated. local vulcanologists worried that Chaiten is only in its beginning eruptive phase
[link to www.tercera.cl]
[link to www.emol.com]
And what if this isn't the only one? What if these start in earnest all over the planet? What will we say then?
Will anyone possibly imagine it has to do with our current position in the galaxy and where we may be headed?
I have the feeling our planet and some more in our solar system are having indirect reactions to whatever is happening at the center of this galaxy of ours.
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