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I guess we are not the only ones with a food crisis.


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High in the darkening sky, a flock of enormous ravens swoop and swirl - narrow black wings stretched wide, heads protruding forward and huge hairy beaks scything through the air.

Every few minutes they let out deep, throaty, honking calls as they soar effortlessly, circling around until, finally, they spot their prey and swoop.

But forget dormice, voles or even small furry rabbits; these sinister looking birds are feasting on something far larger - newborn lambs.

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Raven attack: Farmers report a rise in the number of calves, lambs and sheep pecked to death


And instead of hanging around for a few discarded bones or a forgotten carcass to pick and claw at, they've started killing live farm animals - by pecking them to death, in horrific scenes reminiscent of Daphne du Maurier's The Birds, turned by Alfred Hitchcock into one of the most chilling movies of all time.

Throughout Britain, traumatised farmers have reported a sudden and disturbing rise in the number of livestock being attacked by ravens.

Farmer John Kirk, 50, from Nethybridge, near Aviemore, has lost more than 40 animals in the past few weeks.

"It's like something out of a horror film. They are horrible, horrible birds. They see the young lambs and just fly down and help themselves," he said.

"Sometimes you find a carcass with the eyes and tongue pecked out, but sometimes all you find is the skin. They peck away until nothing is left." And while some animals have been pecked to death, others have been left to die in agony after birds have feasted on their eyes, tongues and the soft flesh of their underbellies.

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A raven stands perched on its latest kill


The worst-hit areas are in Scotland and Wales, but there are also reports of random attacks across the South-West and the Lake District.

The Scottish Isle of Mull has been badly hit, with one farmer losing 20 lambs in a fortnight.

Another, Robert Millar from High Catterdale, Kintyre, said: "We've had 12 to 15 lambs attacked. It's got to the stage where you have to lamb indoors, or you don't stand a chance."

And Jimmy Mills, a farmer from Stratherrick, south of Inverness, has lost seven lambs in just three days: "The lambs are born at 1pm and by four o'clock they've been taken to bits by the ravens," he says.

According to Johnny Hall, of the National Farmers Union of Scotland, it's no longer just lambs: "Raven attacks have become a huge problem across a wide area of the country.

"We have substantial evidence of them attacking adult sheep and calves, too. The attacks are so horrific that it's causing mental suffering to people who find the animals."

The worst thing is, there's not much the farmers can do about it. Ravens are protected by law, so farmers can't shoot them as they would other vermin.

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They can be killed on special licence - due to a condition in the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 - but only if the Government deems it appropriate.

But farmers say the system is designed for the "odd rogue bird", not the huge swirling flocks of recent months, and are demanding the law is changed.

The question is, why have ravens suddenly started to attack livestock?

Experts cannot give a definitive explanation, but some believe it is simply the pressure on food resources caused by the dramatically increasing raven population.

In parts of Britain (Scotland, in particular) experts believe numbers have increased five-fold since the late Nineties, and according to the RSPB there are up to 6,000 breeding pairs in Scotland - almost half the numbers in Europe.

Davy Thomson, vice-chairman of the Scottish Gamekeepers Association, says it is not breeding birds that cause the problem, but immature birds, scavenging in large packs.

"I've seen several hundred birds roosting together, and all they do is hunt one side of the hill and then move onto their next food source.

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Haunting scenes: A mass attack on the town's schoolchildren in Hitchcock's The Birds


"Raven populations have increased massively in the past ten years, and it's an absolute nonsense that we can't control them."

However, according to Dr Andre Farrar, spokesman for the Royal Society For The Protection Of Birds: "Some reports of raven attacks may be exaggerated, but they do kill things.

"They make a speciality out of scavenging and eating carrion. In many cases their prey is already dead, but they're highly capable of killing, so sometimes they'll finish it off themselves.

"But they get an unjustly bad press. Any big, black bird tends to come down from history with a load of negatives attached. So the raven has got a burden of cultural mistrust around it."

Such as its association with death, and its supposed supernatural powers of prediction.

Irish folklore has it that each raven contains three drops of the Devil's blood, and anyone who hunted them would be on the receiving end of the Devil's fury and a lifetime of bad luck.

Its status as a bird of ill omen is confirmed by a cameo appearance in Shakespeare's Macbeth - as the King nears the castle at Inverness, Lady Macbeth utters the ominous words: "The raven himself is hoarse that croaks the fatal entrance of Duncan under my battlements."

Legend has it that if anything happens to the six resident ravens at the Tower of London - attended by a Yeoman Ravenmaster, and treated to a daily feast of raw meat and blood-soaked "bird biscuit" - England will be invaded.

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Aside from all the folklore, they're an impressive foe - up to 2ft long and worryingly adaptable: they can survive in Arctic, temperate and desert climates.

Research published last year in the Scientific American also showed the raven to be one of the most intelligent species on the planet - up there with dolphins and apes and, unlike most other birds and animals, capable of learning from their own actions and from observing others' behaviour.

They're thought to be one of the few birds that can count, and some have even learned to fashion leaves into special tools for extracting grubs from crevices in trees.

In Japan, they were reportedly found dropping nuts onto a dual-carriageway, then darting down to eat them once the cars had cracked them open.

Although older ravens (they live up to 25 years) mate for life and travel in pairs, young birds may form flocks of up to several hundred - collective nouns for ravens include an "unkindness", a "conspiracy", and a "murder" - which swoop on farm animals.

They were almost exterminated during the 19th century, but in the past 20 years have made their dramatic comeback, partially because they have been protected.

As Dr Farrar puts it: "A few years ago, you'd hope to see them only in Scotland, or Wales, but now they're popping up in parts of eastern England - they've even been spotted in Bedfordshire."

But he insists it's not all bad. "Ravens are truly spectacular birds, with an amazing display flight - they flip over into a half-roll and back again when they're flying - and have a deep sonorous croaking call. They're stunning to watch."

Which all sounds rather poetic, but must be scant comfort for the farmer rendered helpless as another dark, swirling, unkindness of ravens starts circling in the skies over his lambs.
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Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore,
While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
`'Tis some visitor,' I muttered, `tapping at my chamber door -
Only this, and nothing more.'
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humans have perverted the planet and it is out of whack. animals will eat, if their natural terrority is stolen by humans, they will improvise. blame it on the humans, not the ravens. soon they will come for the real predators...
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Blackout Drive?

Were you mechanized infantry?
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What is going on appears to be an Alfred Hitchcock movie. A good one at that.

I suggest solving the problem with #4 birdshot. Lots and lots of it. Also get some flamethrowers and APCs.
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It is time AGAIN...This current world creation is slowly losing it's stability..Coming to it's end..All the safeties that are normally in place are coming undone.....

That is why many animals are acting crazy and losing their way...Ending up in places they usually are not..Becoming confused..Violent...Etc...

The weather...Earthquakes...The sun...Etc...

It is time...
"Pray for solace..Pray for resolve..Pray for a savior..Pray for deliverance..Some kind of purpose..A glimpse of a LIGHT in this VOID OF EXISTENCE..Now witness the END of an age..Hope dies in hands of believers..Who seek the truth in the LIAR'S EYE"

"The greatest TRICK the Devil ever pulled was not convincing the world he doesn't exist..But convincing it that he is GOD"

"I have no pleasure in any man who despises music. It is no invention of ours: It is a gift of GOD. I place it next to theology. Satan hates music: He knows how it drives the EVIL spirit OUT of US."
- Martin Luther


"What have I done?..Where have I come from?..When I burnt the backs with the SUN through a GLASS..Did I SEAL the loss that's become me?.. Feeling undone..What have I become? ..When I turned my back on you..I turned my back on MYSELF and became this MACHINE"

"What you IGNORE now..Will come OUT of YOU later"

"Stones to throw at my Creator..
MASOCHISTS to which I cater..You don't need to bother..I don't need to be..I'll keep slipping farther..
But once I hold on..I won't let go 'til it BLEEDS"
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How horrible to die that way.
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Way down yonder, o'er in the meadow
Lies a poor little lambie.
Bees and butterflies a-pickin' out its eyes,
Poor little thang is crying "Mammy".

--Old Negro spiritual
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ex lax coated *whatever ravens love to eat*
"God" said, let us make man in our image.. IMPLYING genetic hybridization
"I awoke only to find, that the rest of the world was still asleep"
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The end of days is here!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh just wait till they kick on all the animals that have been micro chipped!


Who let the dogs out! Run, Run, Run, Run!!!!


Right now the acoustic weapons are powering around IFS frequency range ,infrasonics to produce earthquakes and changes in weather patterns to produce tornadoes, cyclones, ect.
You can see what is happening on any spectrum analyzer, or just use Haarp data.

certain range of frequencies interfere with the navigation of Birds, bees, whales and other animals. In other ranges it can drive animals, and even people mad.
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...nevermore.....
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A single Raven came today first time seen one so close to home. I asked him if he would like some food and he flew off and a Sea Gull followed him.

The Raven was pecking the earth, another reminder that there is a pecking order to the divine plan.




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OMG. I had a dream last night that there were two birds in these clear plastic boxes stacked four high. 2 were empty.

me and a co worker of mine went up to them and saw one was a redish eagle and the other was a raven.

when we let the eagle go it flew away gracefully

when we opened up the ravens it was full of rage and hunger and started swooping down on us trying to peck us to death. it would fly down and peck then fly away, then come back to us and do it again until we caught it and restrained it and put it back in the box.


weird that you mention this, CRAZY wtf bump bump bump


im bumping this thread because i think this is a significant sign of desperate measures to come..
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OMG. I had a dream last night that there were two birds in these clear plastic boxes stacked four high. 2 were empty. me and a co worker of mine went up to them and saw one was a redish eagle and the other was a raven. when we let the eagle go it flew away gracefully. when we opened up the ravens it was full of rage and hunger and started swooping down on us trying to peck us to death. it would fly down and peck then fly away, then come back to us and do it again until we caught it and restrained it and put it back in the box. weird that you mention this, CRAZY wtf bump bump bump


im bumping this thread because i think this is a significant sign of desperate measures to come..
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Yes two birds fly together and two more to come.

Yes the Raven keeps pecking because people are not listening.

Pecking to death is to do with letting go of the old self and way of being. Allowing the old self to die so that the new self can be born.

Raven is a symbol of the comforter. For instance the English word 'comfort', used in John's gospel of the Holy Spirit as comforter, has changed vastly over time. 900 years ago it meant to prod and poke, even chastise, {pecking} to get someone to do something - now it is far more passive and means a mollycoddlying 'there-there' pat on the back.

[link to www.biblicalhebrew.com]


Yes, the Raven keeps pecking, flying away and coming back again to do it again.

Do not restrain the Messenger or try to block it.

Do not put the message in the box and put it away out of your mind.

Out of sight out of mind.

The Raven and the Eagle are Messengers from God.

The number four is also important and relates to the moral compass and August.


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PS Number 4 is also to do with selflessness.

In Hebrew Gematria 4 is the door = DALET

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- 4 - 4 = 22
--- Dalet.
(In spelling, interchanges with: , , , , , , , ; ; )
(Dalet = --- 434 --- Door.)
--- the name of the fourth Sephira is --- 72.
--- pr.n. "Father" --- an alternate name1 of the 2nd Sephira Chokmah,
(73).
--- elated, proud.
Note:
1. G-K p. 90

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On 999 we worked at the door of DALET to purify the gateway. It is the Lion's Gateway, we promised God that humanity would transform the way of sorrow to the way of love.

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4 also relates to originating DNA.....these Messengers of God lead the way to your origins.

"Four being an even number is also a feminine number. The Four winds from which the one Spirit is to come. 4 Horsemen, 4 chariots. In Egyptian it is the number of time. Four pillars supporting heaven. The 4 cardinal points. Gnostics the four-ness of God. Greek, the sacred number of Hermes. Hebrew also measuring, in Kabalah; memory, the four worlds of Kabalah. Four being the Creator, Universal Spirit, Universal Soul, and the primordial matter. Pythagorean; harmonious proportion, justice for the earth; four is the number of the pythagorean oath. In Taoism, there are four spiritually endowed or sacred creatures. The Dragon, the Phoenix, Unicorn, and Tortoise, these also represent the cardinal points." J.C. Cooper


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"In Japan, they were reportedly found dropping nuts onto a dual-carriageway, then darting down to eat them once the cars had cracked them open."



LOL



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A single Raven came today first time seen one so close to home. I asked him if he would like some food and he flew off and a Sea Gull followed him.

The Raven was pecking the earth, another reminder that there is a pecking order to the divine plan.




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Stick your Religion and god up your ass
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Ravens are probably the smartest birds i have ever watched. They used to get into my chicken coop and steal the eggs. They prefer fresh food unlike crows and vultures that like it aged.
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TAKE THE DAMN MEDS LOTUS
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I guess we are not the only ones with a food crisis.


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High in the darkening sky, a flock of enormous ravens swoop and swirl - narrow black wings stretched wide, heads protruding forward and huge hairy beaks scything through the air.

Every few minutes they let out deep, throaty, honking calls as they soar effortlessly, circling around until, finally, they spot their prey and swoop.

But forget dormice, voles or even small furry rabbits; these sinister looking birds are feasting on something far larger - newborn lambs.

Scroll down for more...



Raven attack: Farmers report a rise in the number of calves, lambs and sheep pecked to death


And instead of hanging around for a few discarded bones or a forgotten carcass to pick and claw at, they've started killing live farm animals - by pecking them to death, in horrific scenes reminiscent of Daphne du Maurier's The Birds, turned by Alfred Hitchcock into one of the most chilling movies of all time.

Throughout Britain, traumatised farmers have reported a sudden and disturbing rise in the number of livestock being attacked by ravens.

Farmer John Kirk, 50, from Nethybridge, near Aviemore, has lost more than 40 animals in the past few weeks.

"It's like something out of a horror film. They are horrible, horrible birds. They see the young lambs and just fly down and help themselves," he said.

"Sometimes you find a carcass with the eyes and tongue pecked out, but sometimes all you find is the skin. They peck away until nothing is left." And while some animals have been pecked to death, others have been left to die in agony after birds have feasted on their eyes, tongues and the soft flesh of their underbellies.

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A raven stands perched on its latest kill


The worst-hit areas are in Scotland and Wales, but there are also reports of random attacks across the South-West and the Lake District.

The Scottish Isle of Mull has been badly hit, with one farmer losing 20 lambs in a fortnight.

Another, Robert Millar from High Catterdale, Kintyre, said: "We've had 12 to 15 lambs attacked. It's got to the stage where you have to lamb indoors, or you don't stand a chance."

And Jimmy Mills, a farmer from Stratherrick, south of Inverness, has lost seven lambs in just three days: "The lambs are born at 1pm and by four o'clock they've been taken to bits by the ravens," he says.

According to Johnny Hall, of the National Farmers Union of Scotland, it's no longer just lambs: "Raven attacks have become a huge problem across a wide area of the country.

"We have substantial evidence of them attacking adult sheep and calves, too. The attacks are so horrific that it's causing mental suffering to people who find the animals."

The worst thing is, there's not much the farmers can do about it. Ravens are protected by law, so farmers can't shoot them as they would other vermin.

Scroll down for more...




They can be killed on special licence - due to a condition in the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 - but only if the Government deems it appropriate.

But farmers say the system is designed for the "odd rogue bird", not the huge swirling flocks of recent months, and are demanding the law is changed.

The question is, why have ravens suddenly started to attack livestock?

Experts cannot give a definitive explanation, but some believe it is simply the pressure on food resources caused by the dramatically increasing raven population.

In parts of Britain (Scotland, in particular) experts believe numbers have increased five-fold since the late Nineties, and according to the RSPB there are up to 6,000 breeding pairs in Scotland - almost half the numbers in Europe.

Davy Thomson, vice-chairman of the Scottish Gamekeepers Association, says it is not breeding birds that cause the problem, but immature birds, scavenging in large packs.

"I've seen several hundred birds roosting together, and all they do is hunt one side of the hill and then move onto their next food source.

Scroll down for more...



Haunting scenes: A mass attack on the town's schoolchildren in Hitchcock's The Birds


"Raven populations have increased massively in the past ten years, and it's an absolute nonsense that we can't control them."

However, according to Dr Andre Farrar, spokesman for the Royal Society For The Protection Of Birds: "Some reports of raven attacks may be exaggerated, but they do kill things.

"They make a speciality out of scavenging and eating carrion. In many cases their prey is already dead, but they're highly capable of killing, so sometimes they'll finish it off themselves.

"But they get an unjustly bad press. Any big, black bird tends to come down from history with a load of negatives attached. So the raven has got a burden of cultural mistrust around it."

Such as its association with death, and its supposed supernatural powers of prediction.

Irish folklore has it that each raven contains three drops of the Devil's blood, and anyone who hunted them would be on the receiving end of the Devil's fury and a lifetime of bad luck.

Its status as a bird of ill omen is confirmed by a cameo appearance in Shakespeare's Macbeth - as the King nears the castle at Inverness, Lady Macbeth utters the ominous words: "The raven himself is hoarse that croaks the fatal entrance of Duncan under my battlements."

Legend has it that if anything happens to the six resident ravens at the Tower of London - attended by a Yeoman Ravenmaster, and treated to a daily feast of raw meat and blood-soaked "bird biscuit" - England will be invaded.

Scroll down for more...




Aside from all the folklore, they're an impressive foe - up to 2ft long and worryingly adaptable: they can survive in Arctic, temperate and desert climates.

Research published last year in the Scientific American also showed the raven to be one of the most intelligent species on the planet - up there with dolphins and apes and, unlike most other birds and animals, capable of learning from their own actions and from observing others' behaviour.

They're thought to be one of the few birds that can count, and some have even learned to fashion leaves into special tools for extracting grubs from crevices in trees.

In Japan, they were reportedly found dropping nuts onto a dual-carriageway, then darting down to eat them once the cars had cracked them open.

Although older ravens (they live up to 25 years) mate for life and travel in pairs, young birds may form flocks of up to several hundred - collective nouns for ravens include an "unkindness", a "conspiracy", and a "murder" - which swoop on farm animals.

They were almost exterminated during the 19th century, but in the past 20 years have made their dramatic comeback, partially because they have been protected.

As Dr Farrar puts it: "A few years ago, you'd hope to see them only in Scotland, or Wales, but now they're popping up in parts of eastern England - they've even been spotted in Bedfordshire."

But he insists it's not all bad. "Ravens are truly spectacular birds, with an amazing display flight - they flip over into a half-roll and back again when they're flying - and have a deep sonorous croaking call. They're stunning to watch."

Which all sounds rather poetic, but must be scant comfort for the farmer rendered helpless as another dark, swirling, unkindness of ravens starts circling in the skies over his lambs.
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shit i have seen alot of them here too in montana they are all over the place waitng on peoples homes hiding
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OMG. I had a dream last night that there were two birds in these clear plastic boxes stacked four high. 2 were empty. me and a co worker of mine went up to them and saw one was a redish eagle and the other was a raven. when we let the eagle go it flew away gracefully. when we opened up the ravens it was full of rage and hunger and started swooping down on us trying to peck us to death. it would fly down and peck then fly away, then come back to us and do it again until we caught it and restrained it and put it back in the box. weird that you mention this, CRAZY wtf bump bump bump


im bumping this thread because i think this is a significant sign of desperate measures to come..


Yes two birds fly together and two more to come.

Yes the Raven keeps pecking because people are not listening.

Pecking to death is to do with letting go of the old self and way of being. Allowing the old self to die so that the new self can be born.

Raven is a symbol of the comforter. For instance the English word 'comfort', used in John's gospel of the Holy Spirit as comforter, has changed vastly over time. 900 years ago it meant to prod and poke, even chastise, {pecking} to get someone to do something - now it is far more passive and means a mollycoddlying 'there-there' pat on the back.

[link to www.biblicalhebrew.com]


Yes, the Raven keeps pecking, flying away and coming back again to do it again.

Do not restrain the Messenger or try to block it.

Do not put the message in the box and put it away out of your mind.

Out of sight out of mind.

The Raven and the Eagle are Messengers from God.

The number four is also important and relates to the moral compass and August.


Lotus
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what bullshit pecking because people wont listen what bullshit everyone is accountable for their own sin bsflag bsflag bsflag
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poe was so great.

they're a pack of wild teenagers and sometimes wild teenagers like to do damage. they'll grow up and stop what they're doing.

so avian flu doesn't harm ravens then?


so where is the good shepard while his lambs are being killed?

or at least where are his dogs?
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OMG. I had a dream last night that there were two birds in these clear plastic boxes stacked four high. 2 were empty. me and a co worker of mine went up to them and saw one was a redish eagle and the other was a raven. when we let the eagle go it flew away gracefully. when we opened up the ravens it was full of rage and hunger and started swooping down on us trying to peck us to death. it would fly down and peck then fly away, then come back to us and do it again until we caught it and restrained it and put it back in the box. weird that you mention this, CRAZY wtf bump bump bump


im bumping this thread because i think this is a significant sign of desperate measures to come..


Yes two birds fly together and two more to come.

Yes the Raven keeps pecking because people are not listening.

Pecking to death is to do with letting go of the old self and way of being. Allowing the old self to die so that the new self can be born.

Raven is a symbol of the comforter. For instance the English word 'comfort', used in John's gospel of the Holy Spirit as comforter, has changed vastly over time. 900 years ago it meant to prod and poke, even chastise, {pecking} to get someone to do something - now it is far more passive and means a mollycoddlying 'there-there' pat on the back.

[link to www.biblicalhebrew.com]


Yes, the Raven keeps pecking, flying away and coming back again to do it again.

Do not restrain the Messenger or try to block it.

Do not put the message in the box and put it away out of your mind.

Out of sight out of mind.

The Raven and the Eagle are Messengers from God.

The number four is also important and relates to the moral compass and August.


Lotus

what bullshit pecking because people wont listen what bullshit everyone is accountable for their own sin bsflag bsflag bsflag
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i know cause i was talking to my best friend and co worker who had a similar dream now get this

my name is charles=american
coworker is itai=israelite
best friend and coworker is clayton= canadian

his dream was that i had a german shephard, it attacked a group of crows or ravens eating in this parking lot. the ravens flew of scared and the german shephard came back black as if covered in soot and i shook the dog and said "never do that again" and the dog fled.

This dream and my dream connect in such an astounding way since we both had it the same night.

itai=israel watched from a distance as I=america disciplined germany as a pet or a dog for attacking a group of ravens=? anybody know the origin of ravens.
Clayton=canada, taunted the dog when it returned covered in soot and ash after attacking.

my dream has to connect to this dream, it has too, it is to coincidental to ignore two dreams containing the same animal the same night with the same people in it..


it just doesnt add up, any insights people. and dont listen to lotus because that is just not what i was feeling. not what someone is trying to tell me..
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That's not suddenly new - Saw a flock of ravens peck a small dog to death twenty five years ago. Don't leave infants unattended.
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I saw a grackle attack a little sparrow in the air several times until it knocked it to the ground then landed on top of the sparrow and pecked at its eyes until it was dead. It ate the eyes then flew off.
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The rook sees and gathers way
In took your ear, the sight of sound
And through these words I bay..

don´t be lost... Be aware!
I can sear you; admonishhhhhhh hear it
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''attacking a group of ravens=? anybody know the origin of ravens.''

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


''Ravens

A Tower raven
A Tower raven

It had been thought that there have been at least six ravens in residence at the tower for centuries. It was said that Charles II ordered their removal following complaints from John Flamsteed, the Royal Astronomer.[5] However, they were not removed because Charles was then told of the legend that if the ravens ever leave the Tower of London, the White Tower, the monarchy, and the entire kingdom would fall (the London Stone has a similar legend). Charles, following the time of the English Civil War, superstition or not, was not prepared to take the chance, and instead had the observatory moved to Greenwich.

The earliest known reference to a tower raven is a picture in the newspaper The Pictorial World in 1885.[6] This and scattered subsequent references to the tower ravens, both literary and visual, which appear in the late nineteenth to early twentieth century place them near the monument commemorating those beheaded at the tower, popularly known as the “scaffold.” This strongly suggests that the ravens, which are notorious for gathering at gallows, were originally used to dramatize tales of imprisonment and execution at the tower told by the Yeomen Warders to tourists.[7] There is evidence that the original ravens were donated to the tower by the Earls of Dunraven,[8] perhaps because of their association with the Celtic raven-god Bran.[9] However wild ravens, which were once abundant in London and often seen around meat markets (such as nearby Eastcheap) feasting for scraps, could have roosted at the tower in earlier times.[10]

The legend that Britain will fall if the ravens leave the tower appears to date from autumn of 1944, and to come from the Stag Brewery in London, where ravens were used as mascots and perhaps unofficial spotters for enemy bombers.[11]

No one can remember the tower without ravens, though during the Second World War most of them perished through shock during bombing raids – the sole survivor being a bird called 'Grip'.[10] However, before the tower reopened to the public on 1 January 1946, care was taken to ensure that a new set of ravens was in place.[12]

There are currently nine ravens, whose wings are clipped to prevent them from flying away, and they are cared for by the Ravenmaster, a duty given to one of the Yeomen Warders. The ravens' names/gender/age are (as of November 2006):[13]

* Gwylum (male, 18 years old)
* Thor (male, 15 years old)
* Hugin (female, 11 years old)
* Munin (female, 11 years old)
* Branwen (female, 3 years old)
* Bran (male, 3 years old)
* Gundulf (male, 1 year old)
* Baldrick (male, 1 year old)
* Fleur (female, 4 years old)

The oldest raven ever to serve at the Tower of London was called Jim Crow, who died at the age of 44.[14]

In 2006, ahead of the H5N1 avian influenza scare, the ravens were moved indoors; as of July 2006, they are once again free to roam about the grounds within the tower complex.''
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Just on the subject of these attacks, I went for a walk up the mountain close to where i live here in Wales last September, and came across the skeleton of a fully grown sheep, totally stripped to the bone, and put it down to dogs. this story has given it a whole different twist though. We have lots of ravens flying around the mountain too. hmmm. maybe the guy who said not to leave infants alone outside has a very valid point.

Here's a pic of the skeleton.

[link to i27.tinypic.com]

what I found weird about it was it was missing it's front legs.
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what bullshit pecking because people wont listen what bullshit everyone is accountable for their own sin bsflag bsflag bsflag




i know cause i was talking to my best friend and co worker who had a similar dream now get this

my name is charles=american
coworker is itai=israelite
best friend and coworker is clayton= canadian

his dream was that i had a german shephard, it attacked a group of crows or ravens eating in this parking lot. the ravens flew of scared and the german shephard came back black as if covered in soot and i shook the dog and said "never do that again" and the dog fled.

This dream and my dream connect in such an astounding way since we both had it the same night.

itai=israel watched from a distance as I=america disciplined germany as a pet or a dog for attacking a group of ravens=? anybody know the origin of ravens.
Clayton=canada, taunted the dog when it returned covered in soot and ash after attacking.

my dream has to connect to this dream, it has too, it is to coincidental to ignore two dreams containing the same animal the same night with the same people in it..


it just doesnt add up, any insights people. and dont listen to lotus because that is just not what i was feeling. not what someone is trying to tell me..
 Quoting: Paranormal Investigator


WOW you can't be serious.....!!!!

Check it out....

Ravens are really important to Israel and symbolic of the prophet.
[link to stayingdusty.blogspot.com]

And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen. And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made: And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth. Gn 8:5-7
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The Raven and the Dove helped Noah. LOL.....

[link to books.google.co.uk]

Recommend you get a book by Ted Andrews called Animals Speak.

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