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G. House
User ID: 428735
5/6/2008 10:37 AM
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All these events occurred only seconds before and during the jetliner strike above. And through it all, he now asks a simple question everybody should be asking? How could a jetliner hit 90 floors above and burn a man’s arms and face to a crisp in the basement below within seconds of impact? Quoting: Want proof? 423843
Do I have to state the exact path of the explosive gases with bluprints and diagrams?
There are ample accounts of elevator doors being blown out of the elevator shafts down in the lobby by explosive gasses.
Since this happened it could also have happened in the basement levels. |
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pathfinder
User ID: 272341
5/6/2008 10:41 AM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Do I have to state the exact path of the explosive gases with bluprints and diagrams? Quoting: G. House
if it's not too much trouble - ta |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 422730
5/6/2008 11:18 AM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
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There are ample accounts of elevator doors being blown out of the elevator shafts down in the lobby by explosive gasses.
Since this happened it could also have happened in the basement levels. Quoting: G. House
And while you're at it, please. |
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fieldolight 
User ID: 428727
5/6/2008 11:19 AM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
All these events occurred only seconds before and during the jetliner strike above. And through it all, he now asks a simple question everybody should be asking? How could a jetliner hit 90 floors above and burn a man’s arms and face to a crisp in the basement below within seconds of impact?
Do I have to state the exact path of the explosive gases with bluprints and diagrams?
There are ample accounts of elevator doors being blown out of the elevator shafts down in the lobby by explosive gasses.
Since this happened it could also have happened in the basement levels. Quoting: G. House
His ignorance is always showing isn't it? If he actually did "state the exact pafth of the explosive gases with blueprints and diagrams" it would show something highly embarrassing to his argument....:
As it turns out, the elevators in the WTC had jogs in them. In other words at certain floors the shafts ended and you had to get out and go down the hall and get into another elevator.
So this would mean the "explosive gases" not only had to travel 1000 feet down a shaft...they had to stop the elevator and roll down the hall and get into another shaft where they then had to collect themselves and explode in someone's face.
Pretty good trick for a gas.
turtles know: low profiles are best.
I like turtles! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 426757
5/6/2008 11:44 AM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Good job OP. Keep presenting and refining data folks. The obvious presence of the Shills should encourage us-not distract us. Do not even bother to respond to them if you can manage you righteous anger. Steady as she goes. Keep building that mountain of evidence until it crushes the evil bastards that murder and maim, control and suppress, and enrich themselves in your names under the guise of patriotism.
Do not despair. Hope, hard work, and love and respect of the innocent will win in the long run. And if not, at least we will go down fighting and with dignity. |
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G. House
User ID: 428922
5/6/2008 3:36 PM
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His ignorance is always showing isn't it? If he actually did "state the exact pafth of the explosive gases with blueprints and diagrams" it would show something highly embarrassing to his argument....:
As it turns out, the elevators in the WTC had jogs in them. In other words at certain floors the shafts ended and you had to get out and go down the hall and get into another elevator.
So this would mean the "explosive gases" not only had to travel 1000 feet down a shaft...they had to stop the elevator and roll down the hall and get into another shaft where they then had to collect themselves and explode in someone's face.
Pretty good trick for a gas. Quoting: fieldolight
Yet each tower had at least one express elevator that ran from the top of the building to the bottom.
I rest my case. |
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G. House
User ID: 428922
5/6/2008 3:38 PM
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Do I have to state the exact path of the explosive gases with bluprints and diagrams?
if it's not too much trouble - ta Quoting: pathfinder 272341
Oh, so only the so-called 911 truthers can make a generalization?
You are so special. |
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Sireen-reborn
User ID: 425272
5/6/2008 3:40 PM
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Anyone with an inkling of brain cells could see the moment it happened, those towers were intentionally brought down.
It's the AIRPLANES that were supposed to be the 'cover up'.
anything after 'but' is bullshit!
[link to www.myspace.com] |
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G. House
User ID: 428922
5/6/2008 3:40 PM
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HAH! I forgot that most WTC elevators didn't connect from the upper floors to the sub-levels. Kind of hard for jet fuel to penetrate concrete and steel reinforced elevator shaft foundations!!!
Does anyone know where the gold vaults under the WTC were???
Were they in this building or the the other tower? They'd have to get the gold out before they dropped the building, wouldn't they????
Hmmmmm?
Most but not all! |
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A_G1RL
User ID: 273050
5/6/2008 3:58 PM
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Well well, just to add fuel to the fire so to speak.
What about that tape of the firefighter being interviewed that said there were at least two different explosions in the basement levels. When describing the explosions that went off in that lower area, he said he knew people that died, sustained many injuries, and some even had to have reconstructive surgery because the walls hit them in the face.
Now I do not know the timeline if these were before or after the 'planes hitting' but he does make it clear that these were definitely explosions that were in the basement levels.
"When freedom is at stake, silence is not golden....it's yellow" ? |
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gasman
User ID: 428938
5/6/2008 4:18 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
everyone talks about jet fuel like it this big bad caustic steel eating substance when its nothing other then ordinary kerosene with one minor difference its double filtered to get rid of all the contaminates...if kerosene aka. jet fuel can knock down 2 towers i suggest everyone get rid of your kerosene heaters before it burns your house down |
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gasman
User ID: 428938
5/6/2008 4:23 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
just do a little research ive hauled it into airports for the last 14 years so im thinking i might know a little about it |
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hymie
User ID: 272341
5/6/2008 4:36 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Do I have to state the exact path of the explosive gases with bluprints and diagrams?
if it's not too much trouble - ta
Oh, so only the so-called 911 truthers can make a generalization?
You are so special. Quoting: G. House
well if it's too much trouble - don't bother
wouldn't want to to be going out of your way on my account |
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G. House
User ID: 428922
5/6/2008 4:56 PM
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Do I have to state the exact path of the explosive gases with bluprints and diagrams?
if it's not too much trouble - ta
Oh, so only the so-called 911 truthers can make a generalization?
You are so special.
well if it's too much trouble - don't bother
wouldn't want to to be going out of your way on my account Quoting: hymie 272341
You people are rather tiresome.
Note the express elevator in the diagram on the right, that goes from the top of the building to the bottom.
[link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 419096
5/6/2008 5:03 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Yet each tower had at least one express elevator that ran from the top of the building to the bottom.
I rest my case. Quoting: G. House
You must be one of those underpaid, outsourced Indian shills!!!
From Shills 'R US? [link to www.scl.cc]
You didn't even bother to read the thread before attacking with your toothless quibbling.
So I'll repost the pertinent section posted by the OP on page 1 of this thread. Elevator Car 50 SURVIVED!!!
(Read 'em and weep, sucker)
Anyway, it turns out that a study was done to examine this absurd "jet fuel elevator shaft" theory, hopefully so gullible people wouldn't continue to be duped by ridiculous scenarios:
Elevator car 50 was the only elevator with access from the impacted floors of WTC1 to the sublevels B2 and below, and its operator survived, having experienced no explosions or fireballs down the main freight shaft.
Arturo Griffith operated WTC1 elevator Car 50, which USA Today describes as, “the big freight car going from the six-level basement to the 108th floor.”
[The Griffiths] were both operating elevators in the north tower on Sept. 11. Arturo was running 50A, the big freight car going from the six-level basement to the 108th floor. When American Airlines Flight 11 struck at 8:46 a.m., Arturo and a co-worker were heading from the second-level basement to the 49th floor.
Like his wife, who had just closed the doors on a passenger elevator leaving the 78th floor, Arturo heard a sudden whistling sound and the impact. Cables were severed and Arturo's car plunged into free fall.
"The only thing I remember saying was 'Oh, God, Oh, God, I'm going to die,' " he says, recalling how he tried to protect his head as the car plummeted.
The emergency brakes caught after 15 or 16 floors. The imploding elevator door crushed Arturo's right knee and broke the tibia below it. His passenger escaped injury.
Entire study: [link to www.studyof911.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 360380
5/6/2008 5:27 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Everyone knows what the real story is.
Everyone knows that corruption rises to lead and command.
That's why they war and that's how you can tell who they are. Corruption breeds war and war breeds corruption. You know it, I know it and most of the world knows it.
Everyone knows that any organization associated with this corruption, is also corrupt. You know it, I know it, most of the world knows it.
It doesn't matter what a hundred people think of this story, or any other story about the 9/11 Tower. The corrupt leaders, commanders and money holders did it, along with all that follow them, and you know it, I know it and most of the world knows it.
Normal people didn't do it. Regular, decent human beings didn't do it. People with ways, means, control and power, did it. You know it, I know it and most of the world knows it.
So FUCK YOU SHILLS!!! |
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whee
User ID: 272341
5/6/2008 5:35 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Everyone knows what the real story is.
So FUCK YOU SHILLS!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 360380
yeah ... and in this particular case - isn't it telling that william rodriguez was interviewed all day
by nbc , and is willing to be interviewed anytime about his story
yet bush wouldn't even appear before the 911 commission without cheney holding his hand |
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G. House
User ID: 428922
5/6/2008 6:03 PM
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Yet each tower had at least one express elevator that ran from the top of the building to the bottom.
I rest my case.
You must be one of those underpaid, outsourced Indian shills!!!
From Shills 'R US? [ link to www.scl.cc]
You didn't even bother to read the thread before attacking with your toothless quibbling.
So I'll repost the pertinent section posted by the OP on page 1 of this thread. Elevator Car 50 SURVIVED!!!
(Read 'em and weep, sucker)
Anyway, it turns out that a study was done to examine this absurd "jet fuel elevator shaft" theory, hopefully so gullible people wouldn't continue to be duped by ridiculous scenarios:
Elevator car 50 was the only elevator with access from the impacted floors of WTC1 to the sublevels B2 and below, and its operator survived, having experienced no explosions or fireballs down the main freight shaft.
Arturo Griffith operated WTC1 elevator Car 50, which USA Today describes as, “the big freight car going from the six-level basement to the 108th floor.”
[The Griffiths] were both operating elevators in the north tower on Sept. 11. Arturo was running 50A, the big freight car going from the six-level basement to the 108th floor. When American Airlines Flight 11 struck at 8:46 a.m., Arturo and a co-worker were heading from the second-level basement to the 49th floor.
Like his wife, who had just closed the doors on a passenger elevator leaving the 78th floor, Arturo heard a sudden whistling sound and the impact. Cables were severed and Arturo's car plunged into free fall.
"The only thing I remember saying was 'Oh, God, Oh, God, I'm going to die,' " he says, recalling how he tried to protect his head as the car plummeted.
The emergency brakes caught after 15 or 16 floors. The imploding elevator door crushed Arturo's right knee and broke the tibia below it. His passenger escaped injury.
Entire study: [link to www.studyof911.com]
There were 3 elevators in each tower that ran to all floors. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 425058
5/6/2008 6:42 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Look, supposing there were planes, which most out there do, the fireballs outside the buildings were the jet fuel.
Some of this could have fallen down the lift wells and exploded at the bottom.
Can anyone demonstrate this guy in the basement was not burned by this fuel with any certainty ?
Aluminium-framed planes do not penetrate steel-framed skyscrapers. Instead, they shatter on impact.
Why not? Flight 175 DID shatter on impact. Some of the videos clearly show the explosion on impact. But it was travelling so fast all the debris flying off went into the hole it made.
Now why did you not think of that? BECAUSE YOU ARE STOOOOOOPID. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 428292 |
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G. House
User ID: 428922
5/6/2008 8:46 PM
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Look, supposing there were planes, which most out there do, the fireballs outside the buildings were the jet fuel.
Some of this could have fallen down the lift wells and exploded at the bottom.
Can anyone demonstrate this guy in the basement was not burned by this fuel with any certainty ?
Aluminium-framed planes do not penetrate steel-framed skyscrapers. Instead, they shatter on impact.
Why not? Flight 175 DID shatter on impact. Some of the videos clearly show the explosion on impact. But it was travelling so fast all the debris flying off went into the hole it made.
Now why did you not think of that? BECAUSE YOU ARE STOOOOOOPID. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 425058
At least half the building facade at the level the aircraft hit was glass.
Basically half aluminum cladded steel vertical beams and half glass.
A good analogy is a cheese slicer. If you throw a piece of cheese at a chees slicer at say 60 mph it will of course go right through the cheese slicer.
An aluminum aircraft filled with fuel going over 400 mph hitting a giant cheese slicer, much like the construction of the WTC facade, would of course go through the spaces of the windows, also severing and damaging some of the columns.
Some of the aircraft had eneough energy left ot also come out the other side.
One other well known case of an aircraft hitting a building, the Empire State Building crash, demonstrates that in that case at a much lower speed; the aircraft for the most part ended up inside the building. Some of the more massive parts such as the engines went completely through the building. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429039
5/6/2008 10:10 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Bump.
Saw him giving presentations. He is great. Sad thing is that people do not believe him initially because they trust the government BS story more than eyewitnesses or videos of the crash, which show obvious flaws.
I even saw one video that caught an explosion on it. It was something that could convince anyone. |
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fieldolight
User ID: 429279
5/7/2008 8:44 AM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
[link to 911research.wtc7.net]
In the above article, a mechanical engineer employed at the WTC describes how he found a 50 ton hydraulic press destroyed in the sub basement and the entire underground parking garage in a rubble around the time of the plane impact.
Kerosene cannot explode a 50 ton machine. Nor could the amount that was able to fall 1000 feet down one of the very few direct elevator shafts have caused this amount of damage.
The elevator shafts were lined with a porous material as well...unfinished drywall...which would have absorbed a considerable amount of this fuel, anyway.
the amount finally reaching the subfloor levels through the one direct shaft would have been minimal. If the fuel was flooding down the elevator shafts, it must have gotten into the non direct system as well. Divide this already not very large amount of fuel that could have survived the initial HUGE fire ball which was photoed outside the impact site, into several many quantities as it hit a number of elevator shafts and then subtract most of it as being absorbed by the dry wall of over 1000 feet of wall lining and what could cause the actual disappearance of a 50 ton hydraulic press and an entire parking garage?
The "official story" stinks. Let's call it the "OfFISH al-story"
turtles know: low profiles are best.
I like turtles! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 426757
5/7/2008 9:26 AM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Good job OP. Keep presenting and refining data folks. The obvious presence of the Shills should encourage us-not distract us. Do not even bother to respond to them if you can manage you righteous anger. Steady as she goes. Keep building that mountain of evidence until it crushes the evil bastards that murder and maim, control and suppress, and enrich themselves in your names under the guise of patriotism.
Do not despair. Hope, hard work, and love and respect of the innocent will win in the long run. And if not, at least we will go down fighting and with dignity. |
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fieldolight
User ID: 428845
5/7/2008 3:18 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
illustration of WTC elevator system:
[link to upload.wikimedia.org]
However, as you can see from the image, there was one elevator shaft that connected all floors - this was the freight elevator shaft, and this is the elevator shaft which rodriguez says blew out in the basement ...
This leaves us with the question: how much fuel would be likely to pour down one elevator shaft? And would not the elevator car itself tend to obstruct the passage of the fireball?
There are more issues. We are expected to believe that this same fireball blew out the windows in the lobby, did the damage observed by Rodriguez on basement level 1, and also did the damage reported by Mike Peccoraro on lower levels:
The two decided to ascend the stairs to the C level, to a small machine shop where Vito Deleo and David Williams were supposed to be working. When the two arrived at the C level, they found the machine shop gone.
'There was nothing there but rubble' Mike said. 'We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press ? gone!' The two began yelling for their co-workers, but there was no answer. They saw a perfect line of smoke streaming through the air. 'You could stand here,' he said, 'and two inches over you couldn't breathe. We couldn't see through the smoke so we started screaming.' But there was still no answer.
Sergei Siletzky was a helper at WTC. At the time of the attack, he was attending class at Local 94.
The two made their way to the parking garage, but found that it, too, was gone. 'There were no walls, there was rubble on the floor, and you can't see anything' he said.
They decided to ascend two more levels to the building's lobby. As they ascended to the B Level, one floor above, they were astonished to see a steel and concrete fire door that weighed about 300 pounds, wrinkled up 'like a piece of aluminum foil' and lying on the floor.
(Chief Engineer Magazine: [link to www.chiefengineer.org]
So, despite some doubts about aspects of Rodriguez's story, the cumulative evidence still seems (to me) to suggest there was a separate, massive explosion in the lower levels of WTC 1, unrelated to the plane impacts above. And the evidence is unaffected by any evidence that the explosion occured before, during or after the plane impacts.
On the other hand, if it can be established scientifically that the 'magic jet fuel' was really capable of doing so much damage on different floors then ... so be it!
turtles know: low profiles are best.
I like turtles! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 234360
5/7/2008 3:31 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
get yourself a shot gun , remove all little ball bearings from the cartridge.. place finger over end of barrel and pull the trigger.
let us know if your finger gets burnt |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 4321
5/7/2008 3:32 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Aluminium-framed planes do not penetrate steel-framed skyscrapers. Instead, they shatter on impact. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 428292
They were aluminum skinned around steel frames with hardened titanium engines and landing gear...
But you knew that... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 4321
5/7/2008 3:39 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
His ignorance is always showing isn't it? If he actually did "state the exact pafth of the explosive gases with blueprints and diagrams" it would show something highly embarrassing to his argument....:
As it turns out, the elevators in the WTC had jogs in them. In other words at certain floors the shafts ended and you had to get out and go down the hall and get into another elevator.
So this would mean the "explosive gases" not only had to travel 1000 feet down a shaft...they had to stop the elevator and roll down the hall and get into another shaft where they then had to collect themselves and explode in someone's face.
Pretty good trick for a gas. Quoting: fieldolight
Talk about 'ignorance'...
The local elevators were stacked on top of each other, within the same elevator shaft. Located on the 44th and 78th floors of each tower, the sky lobbies enabled the elevators to be used efficiently while taking up a minimum of valuable office space.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.usatoday.com]
You ever get sick of being wrong?
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 423843 (OP)
5/7/2008 3:43 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
There were 3 elevators in each tower that ran to all floors. Quoting: G. House
Nope. Like USA Today said, there was only 1 (freight) elevator that ran to the sub-levels.
Poor G. House is getting desperate. When he's run out of things to debunk, he has to start lying. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 4321
5/7/2008 3:48 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
In the above article, a mechanical engineer employed at the WTC describes how he found a 50 ton hydraulic press destroyed in the sub basement and the entire underground parking garage in a rubble around the time of the plane impact.
Kerosene cannot explode a 50 ton machine. Quoting: fieldolight
FFS...
It is a 50 ton hydraulic press...
That means it can 'press' with 50 tons per square inch, not that it weighs 50 tons...
[link to www2.northerntool.com]
Please stop embarrassing yourself... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 423843 (OP)
5/7/2008 3:51 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
As it turns out, the elevators in the WTC had jogs in them. In other words at certain floors the shafts ended and you had to get out and go down the hall and get into another elevator.
So this would mean the "explosive gases" not only had to travel 1000 feet down a shaft...they had to stop the elevator and roll down the hall and get into another shaft where they then had to collect themselves and explode in someone's face.
Pretty good trick for a gas. Quoting: fieldolight
Are you sayin' you don't believe in the 'magic jet fuel' theory?
You must be one of them freedom hatin' Islamofascist coddlers! |
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