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G. House
User ID: 429465
5/7/2008 3:53 PM
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illustration of WTC elevator system:
[ link to upload.wikimedia.org]
However, as you can see from the image, there was one elevator shaft that connected all floors - this was the freight elevator shaft, and this is the elevator shaft which rodriguez says blew out in the basement ...
Occam's Razor, simplest explanation. There was an elevator shaft that communicated with the affected areas. There was a significant amount of jet fuel available.
This leaves us with the question: how much fuel would be likely to pour down one elevator shaft? And would not the elevator car itself tend to obstruct the passage of the fireball? Quoting: fieldolight
Pretty big freight elevator shaft 7'x12' or larger? That's a pretty big space.
Where was the elevator? Above the crash? All the way to the bottom? Even if it was in between I would say there would be at least 6 inches of space all the way around the elevator, probably a foot or more. That would be more than enough space.
There are more issues. We are expected to believe that this same fireball blew out the windows in the lobby, did the damage observed by Rodriguez on basement level 1, and also did the damage reported by Mike Peccoraro on lower levels: Quoting: fieldolight
Well for one thing if you look at the drawings I believe at least two other express elevators ran from the very top floors to the lobby level.
You do realize that one of the largest conventional bombs in the US inventory is an air/fuel bomb?
Do not underestimate the explosive power of an air/fuel mixture.
Now there is one other element, the fact that people were burned by the blast. Demolition type explosives do not present a large flame, they are mainly about shock waves.
The described explosions are typical of air/fuel explosions.
Another factor is WHY? These explosions did for the most part superficial damage, nothing really structural. Sure there was enough overpressure to blow out windows, walls and doors, but not enough to damage columns. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 423843 (OP)
5/7/2008 3:58 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
House, you're too funny. Give it up.
I'm sure your JFK 'Magic Bullet Theory' is equally complex and compelling. |
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fieldolight 
User ID: 428845
5/7/2008 4:00 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
His ignorance is always showing isn't it? If he actually did "state the exact pafth of the explosive gases with blueprints and diagrams" it would show something highly embarrassing to his argument....:
As it turns out, the elevators in the WTC had jogs in them. In other words at certain floors the shafts ended and you had to get out and go down the hall and get into another elevator.
So this would mean the "explosive gases" not only had to travel 1000 feet down a shaft...they had to stop the elevator and roll down the hall and get into another shaft where they then had to collect themselves and explode in someone's face.
Pretty good trick for a gas.
Talk about 'ignorance'...
The local elevators were stacked on top of each other, within the same elevator shaft. Located on the 44th and 78th floors of each tower, the sky lobbies enabled the elevators to be used efficiently while taking up a minimum of valuable office space.
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
[ link to www.usatoday.com]
You ever get sick of being wrong?
[link to 911research.wtc7.net]
It's the wonderful SNAKE AIRLINES!!!right on cue...you can always identify him by the way he always avoids personal attacks and innuendos.
Hey snakey....How are ya, buddy?
[link to 911research.wtc7.net]
please got to the above link and look at the actual design of the shafts. They are SEALED OFF. The fuel could not have taken a direct flow down any of them except for the ONE FREIGHT ELEVATOR... This one thousand foot shaft was lined with highly absorbent unfinished drywall....
Picture two foot ball field lengths.
Question: How much fuel remained after rolling down two football field lengths of dry wall...?
turtles know: low profiles are best.
I like turtles! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 426757
5/7/2008 4:05 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Good job OP. Keep presenting and refining data folks. The obvious presence of the Shills should encourage us-not distract us. Do not even bother to respond to them if you can manage you righteous anger. Steady as she goes. Keep building that mountain of evidence until it crushes the evil bastards that murder and maim, control and suppress, and enrich themselves in your names under the guise of patriotism.
Do not despair. Hope, hard work, and love and respect of the innocent will win in the long run. And if not, at least we will go down fighting and with dignity. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 426757 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 276862
5/7/2008 4:14 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
I've come to believe this:
If you think 911 was done by Islamic Militants who hi-jacked planes and flew them into buildings - which caused the building to collapse....then you are a government-paid shill.
If you think the buildings collapsed due to jet plane fuel running down an elevator shaft...then you are an completely education-drained fool.
If you think our own government wasn't behind the attacks, and it wasn't planned for years...then I think you are as guilty as the government...and you are as guilty as those who planned it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 4321
5/7/2008 4:21 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Talk about 'ignorance'...
The local elevators were stacked on top of each other, within the same elevator shaft. Located on the 44th and 78th floors of each tower, the sky lobbies enabled the elevators to be used efficiently while taking up a minimum of valuable office space.
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
[ link to www.usatoday.com]
You ever get sick of being wrong?
[ link to 911research.wtc7.net]
It's the wonderful SNAKE AIRLINES!!!right on cue...you can always identify him by the way he always avoids personal attacks and innuendos.
Hey snakey....How are ya, buddy?
[ link to 911research.wtc7.net]
please got to the above link and look at the actual design of the shafts. They are SEALED OFF. The fuel could not have taken a direct flow down any of them except for the ONE FREIGHT ELEVATOR... This one thousand foot shaft was lined with highly absorbent unfinished drywall....
Picture two foot ball field lengths.
Question: How much fuel remained after rolling down two football field lengths of dry wall...?
Thanks for posting the exact image I linked...
Seems neither you nor the linked dufus can read...Try the wiki page that the image you linked is stolen from...
Your idiotic assertion that anything 'dripped' anywhere is just precious...
The fireball from the initial ignition of the fuel expanded through every shaft that it entered...The locals were all 'stacked' in the same shafts, and they were not 'sealed'...In the locals, there were hoists in the shafts at their peaks, but then there was open space around the hoists and another local above...
I see you ignored the fact that (as usual) you were talking out your ass about the 50 ton press...
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fieldolight
User ID: 429588
5/7/2008 8:28 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Talk about 'ignorance'...
The local elevators were stacked on top of each other, within the same elevator shaft. Located on the 44th and 78th floors of each tower, the sky lobbies enabled the elevators to be used efficiently while taking up a minimum of valuable office space.
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
[ link to www.usatoday.com]
You ever get sick of being wrong?
[ link to 911research.wtc7.net]
It's the wonderful SNAKE AIRLINES!!!right on cue...you can always identify him by the way he always avoids personal attacks and innuendos.
Hey snakey....How are ya, buddy?
[ link to 911research.wtc7.net]
please got to the above link and look at the actual design of the shafts. They are SEALED OFF. The fuel could not have taken a direct flow down any of them except for the ONE FREIGHT ELEVATOR... This one thousand foot shaft was lined with highly absorbent unfinished drywall....
Picture two foot ball field lengths.
Question: How much fuel remained after rolling down two football field lengths of dry wall...?
Thanks for posting the exact image I linked...
Seems neither you nor the linked dufus can read...Try the wiki page that the image you linked is stolen from...
Your idiotic assertion that anything 'dripped' anywhere is just precious...
The fireball from the initial ignition of the fuel expanded through every shaft that it entered...The locals were all 'stacked' in the same shafts, and they were not 'sealed'...In the locals, there were hoists in the shafts at their peaks, but then there was open space around the hoists and another local above...
I see you ignored the fact that (as usual) you were talking out your ass about the 50 ton press...
The picture clearly shows the elevators are not stacked but JOGGED. Look at the picture from the link.
The local elevators use entirely different shafts that are sealed off for fire reasons. They are "local" because they do not run through the entire length of the building.
The only uninterrupted shaft shown in the picture is the freight elevator. It would have been highly unlikely for all the fuel to have run down one shaft...but I forget...this is the "magic jet fuel" the stuff that can actually melt enormously thick steel girders even when the building appears to be barely burning at all. It can flow down from a raging steel melting fire without catching on fire, run down the 1000 feet of the only continuous shaft (this fuel is intelligent as well as super powerful) then waiting until it reaches the subbasement level explodes into a raging inferno affecting several different levels.
There destroying asteel and caste iron 50 ton hydrolic press and reducing the parking garage to rubble as well as crumbling up a massive metal door.
So how much of the 10,000 or so gallons of jet fuel from the plane still remained after this incredible journey through the jogged shafts lined with porous drywall and into the subbasements 1000 or so feet below the furiously burning crash scene?
turtles know: low profiles are best.
I like turtles! |
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maya12-21-2012
User ID: 407782
5/7/2008 8:34 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429594
5/7/2008 8:48 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
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G. House
User ID: 429600
5/7/2008 8:52 PM
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House, you're too funny. Give it up.
I'm sure your JFK 'Magic Bullet Theory' is equally complex and compelling. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 423843
There you go making assumptions.
It's my opinion that the Mafia killed JFK for obvious reasons.
There were probably two other shooters, one behind the fence at the grassy knoll and possibly another in the building kitty-corner to the book deposit building.
But that's another topic entirely. |
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G. House
User ID: 429600
5/7/2008 9:06 PM
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You're making a lot of very ignorant assumptions.
Fuel did not "flow" down the shaft.
As the aircraft impacted and went through the building there was a HUGE explosion. The jet fuel (wet jet fuel) did not explode. The jetfuel that was atomized in the air or to put it another way became an aerosol is what exploded.
As the aircraft impacted inside the building it hit the core area where the elevator shafts were located and breached the walls of those shafts. Fuel that was still liquid would have been blown by the shock wave of that explosion down the shafts at a great velocity causing further aerosolization within those shafts and because of contact with the flame from the initial explosion, that air/fuel mixture also exploded.
As I said before to your theories of bombs in the basement, WHY? As these explosions did no real structural damage what purpose would they have had? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 426757
5/7/2008 10:10 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Your a fuck'in joke. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 420698
5/7/2008 10:31 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
As I said before to your theories of bombs in the basement, WHY? As these explosions did no real structural damage what purpose would they have had? Quoting: G. House
And I said the same thing before also - why would bombs go off BEFORE the planes hit? And then why would the bombs go off, and the tower takes another hour-plus to collapse? I suppose big buildings take time to crumble, huh? Yep, look at WTC7... (snicker)
As I also said before... Willie's story only accounts for Tower 1. What about Tower 2? Was that tower deserted? Was there also a bomb in that building, but one that only took a half hour to work?
It's really silly, this speculation. Willie's story proves absolutely nothing, and is a complete "he said, she said" thing. He cannot prove explosives with mere words.
There are a LOT more interesting and potentially more revalatory things about 9-11 to study to spend time on this sort of thing. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429668
5/7/2008 11:02 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
BUMP |
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fieldolight
User ID: 429659
5/7/2008 11:02 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
So how much of the 10,000 or so gallons of jet fuel from the plane still remained after this incredible journey through the jogged shafts lined with porous drywall and into the subbasements 1000 or so feet below the furiously burning crash scene?
turtles know: low profiles are best.
I like turtles! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429661
5/7/2008 11:21 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Oh, well if House says something, you can take it to the bank.
He gets paid, after all. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 210101
5/8/2008 12:16 AM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
So how much of the 10,000 or so gallons of jet fuel from the plane still remained after this incredible journey through the jogged shafts lined with porous drywall and into the subbasements 1000 or so feet below the furiously burning crash scene? Quoting: fieldolight
Also note that if such a quantity of the jet fuel was expended in an explosion that supposedly reached the sub-basements, how was there enough left to ~also~ supposedly melt steel beams at the crash site? In such an impact, one could assume that a VERY large percentage of the fuel became an aerosol and ignited...hence the large explosion at the time of impact.
Any fuel that survived the initial ignition would have burned off extremely quickly. Any that did not would've had to have been widely dispersed in order to avoid so many potential ignition sources. This leaves us with many small, dispersed areas of fuel that are not likely to be of sufficient concentration to melt a steel beam that kerosene (along with assorted burning office debris) could not have melted to begin with. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 4321
5/8/2008 7:22 AM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
The picture clearly shows the elevators are not stacked but JOGGED. Look at the picture from the link. Quoting: fieldolight
They are not 'jogged'...They are 'stacked' in the same shaft...They have a number of floors between the 'stacks'...
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 4321
5/8/2008 7:24 AM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Also note that if such a quantity of the jet fuel was expended in an explosion that supposedly reached the sub-basements, how was there enough left to ~also~ supposedly melt steel beams at the crash site? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 210101
Oh yah...
All that carpet, wood, computers, plastic drinking straws, etc., had nothing to do with the fires that raged for an hour or more...
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 353667
5/8/2008 7:33 AM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Look, supposing there were planes, which most out there do, the fireballs outside the buildings were the jet fuel.
Some of this could have fallen down the lift wells and exploded at the bottom.
Can anyone demonstrate this guy in the basement was not burned by this fuel with any certainty ?
Aluminium-framed planes do not penetrate steel-framed skyscrapers. Instead, they shatter on impact.
The fact that it "did" does not disprove the above - it merely proves that the images were computer generated - poorly at that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 428292
You are a complete and utter dipshit. 100% of what you just said is completely false. Birds can penetrate bullet-proof glass in fighter cockpit covers, moron.
"Mini-nukes"?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Even a "mini-nuke" would still have enough power to completely level a couple city blocks, dumbass.
I just love coming here to see what the stupid people of the world are talking about! |
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G. House
User ID: 429867
5/8/2008 10:19 AM
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You're making a lot of very ignorant assumptions.
Fuel did not "flow" down the shaft.
As the aircraft impacted and went through the building there was a HUGE explosion. The jet fuel (wet jet fuel) did not explode. The jetfuel that was atomized in the air or to put it another way became an aerosol is what exploded.
As the aircraft impacted inside the building it hit the core area where the elevator shafts were located and breached the walls of those shafts. Fuel that was still liquid would have been blown by the shock wave of that explosion down the shafts at a great velocity causing further aerosolization within those shafts and because of contact with the flame from the initial explosion, that air/fuel mixture also exploded.
As I said before to your theories of bombs in the basement, WHY? As these explosions did no real structural damage what purpose would they have had? Quoting: G. House
Your a fuck'in joke. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 426757
"Your a fuck'in joke."
That really doesn't cut it.
Feel free to explain why what I said is wrong. |
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Peothre
User ID: 52060
5/9/2008 8:17 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
There's an article at the online "Journal of 9-11 Studies" by Gordon Ross, a Scottish engineer, demonstrating that the two explosions detected for each of the two WTC towers lagged by 14 and 17 seconds the respective impacts of aircraft as determined by radar observations. This is independent confirmation that the blasts went off before the planes hit the towers. Ross's article also demonstrates that the guy at NIST seems to have been aware of the discrepancy, and tried to juggle the data, even going so far as to ask the guy at Columbia U. to change the original time of the initiation of each of the seismic signatures. This could very well be a criminal coverup, I think it definitely is. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 333698
5/9/2008 11:08 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
I don't understand why this G. House fellow gets away with ignoring William Rodriguez' plain enough statement in the Youtube video on page one of this thread [link to www.youtube.com]
Rodriguez states that the aircraft impact into the building happened 7 seconds AFTER the explosions in the basement. All the talk about the fantastic power of aerosolized kerosine which just happens to find its way in to the single thousand foot shaft connected to the basement, is only relevant if one accepts the premise that Rodriguez is mistaken. I don't think it's reasonable to assume Rodriguez was wrong in reporting the basement blast happened before the impact at the top of the tower. Gordon Ross' analysis certainly supports Rodriguez statement. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 275365
5/9/2008 11:38 PM | | Re: WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High | Quote |
Remember what the fireman said:
"boom
boom
boom
boom"
With hand motions suggesting successive explosions.
All the nasty pieces fit together especially when you consider MOTIVES (which nobody mentions).
You can't debunk ONE tiny piece of evidence and call that an investigation.
There was NO investigation. For obvious reasons!
Why the hell would the U.S. President order NO investigation???
Why the hell are 7 supposed terrorists still alive???
For God's sake, wake up and smell the coffee!!!
There's way to much here to overlook!!!
Rodrigues has been out for a long time and nobody knows or even cares to know.
Denial! Denial! Denial!
Truth, Justice and Liberty!
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