Hey guys I know there has been a lot of discussions on this topic here in the past.
I have been doing some youtubin and found that there are ALOT of people out there really putting it to the test. The reaction of the first video is priceless.
These are things you can do in your basement or garage!
making an electrolysis chamber to induct browns gas into your intake can improve mpg greatly and it burns CLEANER!
Well anyways Im looking for other people interested that have ideas as well. It seems a couple of simple ideas are to use stainless steel switchplates from home depot a cheap electrolyte such as baking powder or Lye, and a bubbler as a saftey precaution. watch the video below also here are youtube users that have some cool videos!
johnaarons
kyhydro
sirHOAX
bornman88
search these names and also search for HHO, browns gas, hydrogen, water engine! i am currently working on a crude chamber to see what configuration of the plates will produce the most browns gas.
Evil Twin Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 428847 5/6/2008 12:46 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I have a bubbler installed on my pickup truck.
I spent about $5 on parts, had everything else already laying around my garage.
So far, I've achieved about 10% better mileage, and 10% more horsepower. A definite 'feel it in the seat of the pants' improvement!
I'll take some pictures and post 'em up later. Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-- Ronald Reagan
Thanks would love to see some pics, the problem I was having is tryin to find ideas from others, they show it on their website but dont tell you anything as far as what electrolyte and all that, cause they are trying to patent it or make money off it, thats great but lets not forget what happened to Stanley Meyers!
as soon as I figure out which configuration is most efficient Im posting all I know for free! Its time we stopped walking backwards and try to progress!
Here ya go.
The first two are the "generator" bottle. I make HHO charged water with it in my garage.
The second two are the "bubbler bottle" that stays in the truck filled with the charged water.
Next step is to produce the HHO on demand in the vehichle, but I think I will have to create a "cheater circuit" to fool the O2 and MAF sensors at that point.
Yes, my truck really needs a bath ;) Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-- Ronald Reagan
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54956 5/6/2008 1:30 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I haven't tried plate electrodes yet, because I have a huge roll of stainless steel wire that I scored somewhere years ago. (I'm a major pack rat, lol)
So far, it seems the biggest key to efficiency is getting the electrolyte level right, and the electrical current. About 1-1.25 amps, any more is just wasted as heat and cooks off the water faster.
ETA: I use baking soda and distilled water. Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-- Ronald Reagan
Anonymous Coward User ID: 352739 (OP) 5/6/2008 1:44 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I haven't tried plate electrodes yet, because I have a huge roll of stainless steel wire that I scored somewhere years ago. (I'm a major pack rat, lol)
So far, it seems the biggest key to efficiency is getting the electrolyte level right, and the electrical current. About 1-1.25 amps, any more is just wasted as heat and cooks off the water faster.
ETA: I use baking soda and distilled water.
Quoting: Evil Twin
Hey Evil Twin
from what i have been researching make sure it is 316L stainles cause it makes the least amount of sludge. Also on youtube there are a few coild type systems not quite like yours but similar! Thanks for the pics looks like you put alot of work into it, no is that like acrylic you wraped the wire around?
Evil Twin Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 428847 5/6/2008 1:49 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
from what i have been researching make sure it is 316L stainles cause it makes the least amount of sludge. Also on youtube there are a few coild type systems not quite like yours but similar! Thanks for the pics looks like you put alot of work into it, no is that like acrylic you wraped the wire around?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 352739
Not sure what grade this wire is, but I have several hundred feet of it, so I'll keep using it until it's gone.
It's wrapped around some 1/4" plexiglass that I cut and epoxied together in an 'X' configuration. Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-- Ronald Reagan
I'm seriously studying HHO production to implement this in my vehicles.
I want to do this right, first time, to maximize HHO production.
Anyone have any insight into the usage of neutral plates for efficiency gains?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54956
Well most people are starting out by making "test cells" in their garage and using a battery charger, spare battery or even drill batteries to try different configurations.
It looks to me like the best ones are producing between 15-25 amps at 12 volts. So youll have to play with the thickness and spacing of your "plates" or coil. Also like I said 316L stainless seems to be the best metal to use in the electrolyte. Search the names I put in the first post and see what those guys have done. Some use a glass jar or even a large empty water filter for a chamber.
Most importantly have some type of satftey relief valve on the chamber itself, the goal is to keep the water from getting too hot which you can do by adjusting your amps (different size metals and spacing properties).
An HHO unit will NOT damage your vehicle. I agree with Evil Twin some guys are selling a circuit board that you put inline with the O2 sensors as you have to fool them so you dont run leaner. For some reason if you dont fool the sensors it dumps more gasoline into your enjectors. The circuit board seems real easy to install and has variable knob on it you can "fine tune"
Lastly another thing you need to put in is a bubbler see Evil Twins pics or go on youtube!!
THE THEORY!
What you are doing is charging the water in a way that your stainless electrodes seperate the Hydrgoen and Oxygen molecules from the water by electrolysis. Because you induce oxygen AND hydrogen this is known as Browns Gas, look it up and learn some stuff about it!
Most parts to build something like this are literally a few dollars at your home supply store!!
My chamber is going to be a 12 unch section of PVC pipe about 5-7 inches in dia. and I will cap each end with acrylic square ends. Im starting off with using stainless steel switch covers for your home until I can aquire some 316L.
I haven't tried plate electrodes yet, because I have a huge roll of stainless steel wire that I scored somewhere years ago. (I'm a major pack rat, lol)
So far, it seems the biggest key to efficiency is getting the electrolyte level right, and the electrical current. About 1-1.25 amps, any more is just wasted as heat and cooks off the water faster.
ETA: I use baking soda and distilled water.
Quoting: Evil Twin
WOW i just re read where you said 1 - 1 1/2 amps! excellent alot of guys on the net are saying 15-25 amps usually keps the water at about 110 degrees. Thats great!
Hey ALSO just curious what is the coffee can by your alternator for?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 428876 5/6/2008 2:03 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
Primordial...
I expect a fully functioning, commercially available product by the end of August (2008). The retail price will be $199 plus s/h. Complete instructions on installation so a "handyman" or your average auto-mechanic at pep-boys, etc.. can do it for a nominal charge.
Make it happen!
1...2..3..GO! Make it happen!
Evil Twin Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 428847 5/6/2008 2:04 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I'm seriously studying HHO production to implement this in my vehicles.
I want to do this right, first time, to maximize HHO production.
Anyone have any insight into the usage of neutral plates for efficiency gains?
Well most people are starting out by making "test cells" in their garage and using a battery charger, spare battery or even drill batteries to try different configurations.
It looks to me like the best ones are producing between 15-25 amps at 12 volts. So youll have to play with the thickness and spacing of your "plates" or coil. Also like I said 316L stainless seems to be the best metal to use in the electrolyte. Search the names I put in the first post and see what those guys have done. Some use a glass jar or even a large empty water filter for a chamber.
Most importantly have some type of satftey relief valve on the chamber itself, the goal is to keep the water from getting too hot which you can do by adjusting your amps (different size metals and spacing properties).
An HHO unit will NOT damage your vehicle. I agree with Evil Twin some guys are selling a circuit board that you put inline with the O2 sensors as you have to fool them so you dont run leaner. For some reason if you dont fool the sensors it dumps more gasoline into your enjectors. The circuit board seems real easy to install and has variable knob on it you can "fine tune"
Lastly another thing you need to put in is a bubbler see Evil Twins pics or go on youtube!!
THE THEORY!
What you are doing is charging the water in a way that your stainless electrodes seperate the Hydrgoen and Oxygen molecules from the water by electrolysis. Because you induce oxygen AND hydrogen this is known as Browns Gas, look it up and learn some stuff about it!
Most parts to build something like this are literally a few dollars at your home supply store!!
My chamber is going to be a 12 unch section of PVC pipe about 5-7 inches in dia. and I will cap each end with acrylic square ends. Im starting off with using stainless steel switch covers for your home until I can aquire some 316L.
Quoting: Primordial
Yep, the Brown's gas introduces more oxygen to the combustion cycle, so there's more o2 in your exhaust, which the computer interprets as your engine running lean. It compensates by pumping more fuel.
I believe that a marine/boating supply store would be a possible source for stainless wire. Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-- Ronald Reagan
Evil Twin Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 428847 5/6/2008 2:09 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
WOW i just re read where you said 1 - 1 1/2 amps! excellent alot of guys on the net are saying 15-25 amps usually keps the water at about 110 degrees. Thats great!
Hey ALSO just curious what is the coffee can by your alternator for?
Quoting: Primordial
More current might be better with the plate systems, I dunno. With the setup I'm using, I don't seem to get any more prodution with more current beyond right at 1.25 amps, just more heat. One of the factors that I believe contributes to the improved mileage and power is the cooling effect of the vapor in the intake manifold.
An old drag racer's trick is to cover their intake manifolds with ice just before a run to get it as cool as possible.
The 'coffee can' is part of the factory emmissions controls. Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-- Ronald Reagan
Evil Twin Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 428847 5/6/2008 2:20 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
Primordial...
I expect a fully functioning, commercially available product by the end of August (2008). The retail price will be $199 plus s/h. Complete instructions on installation so a "handyman" or your average auto-mechanic at pep-boys, etc.. can do it for a nominal charge.
Make it happen!
1...2..3..GO! Make it happen!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 428876
I have been considering something like that. The biggest problem is designing a 'universal fit' system. Obviously, there's plenty of room in the engine compartment of my truck, but some of today's compact cars have virtually no extra space under the hood. Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-- Ronald Reagan
Evil Twin Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 428847 5/6/2008 2:34 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
You'd think this would generate more interest!
I've gone from 18 mpg to 21 mpg in my V8, 4500 pound truck, for the cost of a few dollars and a couple hours tinkering in the garage. It's well worth the effort at $3.50 per gallon! Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-- Ronald Reagan
Anonymous Coward User ID: 296160 5/6/2008 2:46 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
You'd think this would generate more interest!
I've gone from 18 mpg to 21 mpg in my V8, 4500 pound truck, for the cost of a few dollars and a couple hours tinkering in the garage. It's well worth the effort at $3.50 per gallon!
Quoting: Evil Twin
I am TOTALLY interested in this.
Alas, but I'm merely a chick who has NO mechanical inclinations whatsoever, and my boyfriend really doesn't know anything about this stuff either. Plus he's the type who when he gets mad, he starts breaking things, so I really wouldn't want him working on my car AT ALL! He'd probably smash my engine in anger, lol.
Right now I only drive my car one day a week, so gas isn't too much of a problem for me. But next month I'll be moving halfway across the country to Illinois, and I for sure won't be able to walk to work anymore. I know i'll be driving my car WAY more often. I'm dreading this and really getting stressed out over how much more money I'll be spending on transportation and gas really soon.
I would be willing to pay someone to convert my car like this.
Any takers?
Evil Twin Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 428847 5/6/2008 2:47 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I would be willing to pay someone to convert my car like this.
Any takers?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 296160
Do you happen to live in Florida now? Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-- Ronald Reagan
Anonymous Coward User ID: 296160 5/6/2008 2:52 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I would be willing to pay someone to convert my car like this.
Any takers?
Do you happen to live in Florida now?
Quoting: Evil Twin
Nope, Salt Lake City.
I was going to seriously look into this once I moved to Illinois. But unless I can find someone else to do it for me, I really doubt I would be able to figure out how to do this on my own. Even though I'm pretty bright and a fast learner...
Evil Twin Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 428847 5/6/2008 3:00 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I would be willing to pay someone to convert my car like this.
Any takers?
Do you happen to live in Florida now?
Nope, Salt Lake City.
I was going to seriously look into this once I moved to Illinois. But unless I can find someone else to do it for me, I really doubt I would be able to figure out how to do this on my own. Even though I'm pretty bright and a fast learner...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 296160
I know there are a few GLP'ers in Illinois and Utah, maybe one of them will get interested in this too and be able to help you out. Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-- Ronald Reagan
You'd think this would generate more interest!
I've gone from 18 mpg to 21 mpg in my V8, 4500 pound truck, for the cost of a few dollars and a couple hours tinkering in the garage. It's well worth the effort at $3.50 per gallon!
I am TOTALLY interested in this.
Alas, but I'm merely a chick who has NO mechanical inclinations whatsoever, and my boyfriend really doesn't know anything about this stuff either. Plus he's the type who when he gets mad, he starts breaking things, so I really wouldn't want him working on my car AT ALL! He'd probably smash my engine in anger, lol.
Right now I only drive my car one day a week, so gas isn't too much of a problem for me. But next month I'll be moving halfway across the country to Illinois, and I for sure won't be able to walk to work anymore. I know i'll be driving my car WAY more often. I'm dreading this and really getting stressed out over how much more money I'll be spending on transportation and gas really soon.
I would be willing to pay someone to convert my car like this.
He makes units that fit different makes and model and I think they range from 200-500 dollars depending on the engine size! here are a couple of his vids..
Like i said tell him what size engine and make and model of car and he designs them according to how they will fit under your hood!
I would be willing to pay someone to convert my car like this.
Any takers?
Do you happen to live in Florida now?
Nope, Salt Lake City.
I was going to seriously look into this once I moved to Illinois. But unless I can find someone else to do it for me, I really doubt I would be able to figure out how to do this on my own. Even though I'm pretty bright and a fast learner...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 296160
Well I am in Chicago if you ever make it to this part of Illinois let me know!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 296160 5/6/2008 3:07 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I would be willing to pay someone to convert my car like this.
Any takers?
Do you happen to live in Florida now?
Nope, Salt Lake City.
I was going to seriously look into this once I moved to Illinois. But unless I can find someone else to do it for me, I really doubt I would be able to figure out how to do this on my own. Even though I'm pretty bright and a fast learner...
I know there are a few GLP'ers in Illinois and Utah, maybe one of them will get interested in this too and be able to help you out.
Quoting: Evil Twin
i'll probably post some ads on Craigslist once I get out there, looking for people who have been successful in doing this.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 296160 5/6/2008 3:09 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I would be willing to pay someone to convert my car like this.
Any takers?
Do you happen to live in Florida now?
Nope, Salt Lake City.
I was going to seriously look into this once I moved to Illinois. But unless I can find someone else to do it for me, I really doubt I would be able to figure out how to do this on my own. Even though I'm pretty bright and a fast learner...
Well I am in Chicago if you ever make it to this part of Illinois let me know!
Quoting: Primordial
I'll be moving to the southern suburbs of Chicago next month. I probably won't be able to afford to pay someone to do this until maybe August or September I think. I'll write down your screen name and keep you in mind.
Ooops heres the videos from the guy I just mentiones, Also i wanted to add that he sends the kit already built all you have to do is install it! And they provide tech support!
I would be willing to pay someone to convert my car like this.
Any takers?
Do you happen to live in Florida now?
Nope, Salt Lake City.
I was going to seriously look into this once I moved to Illinois. But unless I can find someone else to do it for me, I really doubt I would be able to figure out how to do this on my own. Even though I'm pretty bright and a fast learner...
Well I am in Chicago if you ever make it to this part of Illinois let me know!
I'll be moving to the southern suburbs of Chicago next month. I probably won't be able to afford to pay someone to do this until maybe August or September I think. I'll write down your screen name and keep you in mind.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 296160
Dont worry Im not like that, if you guys buy one of the kits Ill help ya install it..if I can help fellow people out in saving money and bucking the system I will, we all need to stick togther. Just let me know I am in the western burbs.
Evil Twin Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 428847 5/6/2008 3:14 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I notice he is using much more current than I, and has a reserve water tank to keep the generator full.
Makes me want to go out and tinker some more! Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-- Ronald Reagan
I notice he is using much more current than I, and has a reserve water tank tokeep the generator full.
Makes me want to go out and tinker some more!
Quoting: Evil Twin
LOL I know right, thats why I said these guys are pushing alot more amps! But I have been watching this guy for about 5 years now and he has been working really hard at this. If anyone will follow in Stanley Meyers fate i worry its this guy.
Oh and for those of you who do not know who Stanley Meyers is..he pioneerd the water car and then mysteriously died....
Anonymous Coward User ID: 395241 5/6/2008 3:22 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I would be willing to pay someone to convert my car like this.
Any takers?
Do you happen to live in Florida now?
Nope, Salt Lake City.
I was going to seriously look into this once I moved to Illinois. But unless I can find someone else to do it for me, I really doubt I would be able to figure out how to do this on my own. Even though I'm pretty bright and a fast learner...
Well I am in Chicago if you ever make it to this part of Illinois let me know!
I'll be moving to the southern suburbs of Chicago next month. I probably won't be able to afford to pay someone to do this until maybe August or September I think. I'll write down your screen name and keep you in mind.
Dont worry Im not like that, if you guys buy one of the kits Ill help ya install it..if I can help fellow people out in saving money and bucking the system I will, we all need to stick togther. Just let me know I am in the western burbs.
Quoting: Primordial
Awesome! I really appreciate it. I've been really stressing out over how much more gas I'll be using once I move back. That, and having to look for a new job, apartment, etc.
I'm going to do some more research on this, and check out that guy who makes the kits.
I would be willing to pay someone to convert my car like this.
Any takers?
Do you happen to live in Florida now?
Nope, Salt Lake City.
I was going to seriously look into this once I moved to Illinois. But unless I can find someone else to do it for me, I really doubt I would be able to figure out how to do this on my own. Even though I'm pretty bright and a fast learner...
Well I am in Chicago if you ever make it to this part of Illinois let me know!
I'll be moving to the southern suburbs of Chicago next month. I probably won't be able to afford to pay someone to do this until maybe August or September I think. I'll write down your screen name and keep you in mind.
Dont worry Im not like that, if you guys buy one of the kits Ill help ya install it..if I can help fellow people out in saving money and bucking the system I will, we all need to stick togther. Just let me know I am in the western burbs.
Awesome! I really appreciate it. I've been really stressing out over how much more gas I'll be using once I move back. That, and having to look for a new job, apartment, etc.
I'm going to do some more research on this, and check out that guy who makes the kits.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 296160
Oh yeah no problem! Hey we are all feeling the pinch in one way or another, and if we dont stick together and help each other out it will be alot worse! I like this guy because out of all the pre-made kits ive seen so far his seem to be the best.
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