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Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 352739 (OP)
5/9/2008 2:35 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Try to light some bubbles! they are small enough with what your doing to be safe. Quoting: Grower 429597
Hmmmmmm Ill get back to you on that one hehehehe |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 233362
5/9/2008 3:22 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I just went back through the first ten pages, loading and then hitting search for first one word "flash" and then a second word "camera" for the two posts on how a fast buildup of high voltage was done from 9 volt batteries to fire a flash on a camera.
Couldn't find either word in that context. Only several lines on flash-back protection.
After watching the Lindemann u-tube video I see what that post was all about. |
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Grower
User ID: 429597
5/9/2008 3:30 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Well fgrom what ive been reading theres a few ways to step up voltage from low voltage. A step up transformer. And im thinking a automotive ignition coil will do the same. It does take your 13.4(around about) volts from the battery+ alternator and turn it into 50,000 volts in short bursts. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 233362
5/9/2008 3:30 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
This might default to a sign-in page, but go to the main forum and look for renewables.
They also have some information
[link to www.energeticforum.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 233362
5/9/2008 4:10 PM | |
SECRET KNOWLEDGE (please note)
User ID: 430526
5/9/2008 4:22 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I am going to tell you all a secret. listen carefully test if you believe me first....
You need 3 plates... not two. Set it up as follows... neg / nothing / positive. Leave the middle plate connected to NOTHING. This will cut your amp draw in half and produce the same amount gas.
I am not lying... this is a little known fact that doesnt seem to get a lot of air.
Test it out and you will see for yourself.
Good luck everyone! I had one on my old toyota 4cyl car..
i got 52 to 55 mpg. I used vinagar and water 20/80. DO NOT FORGET to use a bubbler.
I dont have the car anymore and drive a company vehicle now most of the time so i dont need it. (free gas)
anyway.. look it up and experiment. I am telling you truth.
be safe |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429597
5/9/2008 4:31 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I am going to tell you all a secret. listen carefully test if you believe me first....
You need 3 plates... not two. Set it up as follows... neg / nothing / positive. Leave the middle plate connected to NOTHING. This will cut your amp draw in half and produce the same amount gas.
I am not lying... this is a little known fact that doesnt seem to get a lot of air.
Test it out and you will see for yourself.
Good luck everyone! I had one on my old toyota 4cyl car..
i got 52 to 55 mpg. I used vinagar and water 20/80. DO NOT FORGET to use a bubbler.
I dont have the car anymore and drive a company vehicle now most of the time so i dont need it. (free gas)
anyway.. look it up and experiment. I am telling you truth.
be safe Quoting: SECRET KNOWLEDGE (please note) 430526
yeah dude the plate thats not connected to anything is called the neutral plate. I posted twice already with a guy making that setup. What happend with your toyota? Did you take off the heads to see what it looked like inside? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430526
5/9/2008 4:50 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I am going to tell you all a secret. listen carefully test if you believe me first....
You need 3 plates... not two. Set it up as follows... neg / nothing / positive. Leave the middle plate connected to NOTHING. This will cut your amp draw in half and produce the same amount gas.
I am not lying... this is a little known fact that doesnt seem to get a lot of air.
Test it out and you will see for yourself.
Good luck everyone! I had one on my old toyota 4cyl car..
i got 52 to 55 mpg. I used vinagar and water 20/80. DO NOT FORGET to use a bubbler.
I dont have the car anymore and drive a company vehicle now most of the time so i dont need it. (free gas)
anyway.. look it up and experiment. I am telling you truth.
be safe
yeah dude the plate thats not connected to anything is called the neutral plate. I posted twice already with a guy making that setup. What happend with your toyota? Did you take off the heads to see what it looked like inside? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 429597
no i didnt.. sup? I sold it and my wife doesnt want me to touch her car so.. the heads to my knowledge were fine BUT a word of warning... you may kill your catalytic converter as i did after about 6 months. I knocked it out hollow after that. no need for it. I think the water vapor(steam) did it.
I also wanted to test some things and i actually ran my car a couple days on two cylinders. believe it. i disconnected where the fuel injectors connect on 2 and 4 and it still ran ok... I ran it with number 3 dead for two months with no problems.
I would suggest a carburetor if you really want to tweak. I was about to put two motorcycle carbs on it just never got around to it.
I had the "booster" on for over a year. |
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Primordial
User ID: 352739
5/9/2008 5:11 PM
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I am going to tell you all a secret. listen carefully test if you believe me first....
You need 3 plates... not two. Set it up as follows... neg / nothing / positive. Leave the middle plate connected to NOTHING. This will cut your amp draw in half and produce the same amount gas.
I am not lying... this is a little known fact that doesnt seem to get a lot of air.
Test it out and you will see for yourself.
Good luck everyone! I had one on my old toyota 4cyl car..
i got 52 to 55 mpg. I used vinagar and water 20/80. DO NOT FORGET to use a bubbler.
I dont have the car anymore and drive a company vehicle now most of the time so i dont need it. (free gas)
anyway.. look it up and experiment. I am telling you truth.
be safe Quoting: SECRET KNOWLEDGE (please note) 430526
Oh no I am listening, Using a nuetral is part of one of my upcoming tests. I want to test it myself becuase some people have said a nuetral doent make a very big difference and some say it does. |
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scimitar 
I Just wanna know
User ID: 373365
5/9/2008 5:25 PM
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Using an automotive ignition coil to produce the high voltage pulse could work well. It would be necessary to have a current monitor on the cell so that when the DC conduction exceeds a certain value the duty cycle on the coil can be reduced to limit the amount of charge on the cell.
In all honesty unless someone has a fairly good understanding of the electronic circuitry needed to control a high voltage cell it would be better to stick with a standard electroysis cell. Remember if you are building a high voltage cell the water should be distilled without an electrolyte such as vinegar or salt.
One Truth.... many realities |
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scimitar
I Just wanna know
User ID: 373365
5/9/2008 5:27 PM
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Primordial,
I appreciate your enthusiasm, You may be the encouragement I need to build somethign myself.
One Truth.... many realities |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430550
5/9/2008 5:45 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I finally remembered. The guy wasn't looking for a flash camera charging circuit, he was looking for a stun gun charging circuit (which is much the same but with higher output voltages)
Might need to go back and look for "stun," but here is what I just stumbled on:
[link to www.free-circuit-diagrams.com] |
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Primordial
User ID: 352739
5/9/2008 5:48 PM
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Thanks lol..
I just wish I could be a better banner for proper spelling..
Its NEUTRAL lol.
I will be doing some more in deoth testing this weekend and will post some more vids , I am just an regular guy, and I encourage others to learn and grow! get off the TV and couch and try some fun especially if you have kids, get them involved, of course they may be our salvation one day. One never knows! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429597
5/9/2008 5:50 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
In all honesty unless someone has a fairly good understanding of the electronic circuitry needed to control a high voltage cell it would be better to stick with a standard electroysis cell. Remember if you are building a high voltage cell the water should be distilled without an electrolyte such as vinegar or salt. Quoting: scimitar
I'm all ears. Teach me oh wise one. How would i control high voltage? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430550
5/9/2008 8:14 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Water for fuel blog.
This link has not yet appeared in this thread:
[link to blog.waterforfuel.com]
This fellow has been at these things for over a year to my personal knowledge. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430550
5/9/2008 8:31 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Here is a thread on coil winding with an emphasis on the Meyer design with a secondary emphasis on toroids and the Boyce design.
[link to www.oupower.com]
Lots of spinoff links. |
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oppie
User ID: 115601
5/9/2008 8:56 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
heres a clue.... look up video 'brainiac uk' science television show where they demonstrate the explosive effects of sodium, pottasium, and only allude to francium ( strongest of all) when mixed with water...... apparently these alkli metals have the power to instantly split water into hydrogen and oxygen and the heat from the reaction sets off an explosive mixture of the gases...... now what would happen if you could make an alloy that performed this reaction a bit more slowly and controlled without the heat and the explosion??? think of it ...instant water cracking an unlimited supply of H...O...H
anybody know of any exotic catalists that can do this??? cause if you can find it ....theres your answer. important personal health tip... if you find the answer... better tell the world quick ... |
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oppie
User ID: 115601
5/9/2008 8:56 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
heres a clue.... look up video 'brainiac uk' science television show where they demonstrate the explosive effects of sodium, pottasium, and only allude to francium ( strongest of all) when mixed with water...... apparently these alkli metals have the power to instantly split water into hydrogen and oxygen and the heat from the reaction sets off an explosive mixture of the gases...... now what would happen if you could make an alloy that performed this reaction a bit more slowly and controlled without the heat and the explosion??? think of it ...instant water cracking an unlimited supply of H...O...H
anybody know of any exotic catalists that can do this??? cause if you can find it ....theres your answer. important personal health tip... if you find the answer... better tell the world quick ... |
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oppie
User ID: 115601
5/9/2008 8:57 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
heres a clue.... look up video 'brainiac uk' science television show where they demonstrate the explosive effects of sodium, pottasium, and only allude to francium ( strongest of all) when mixed with water...... apparently these alkli metals have the power to instantly split water into hydrogen and oxygen and the heat from the reaction sets off an explosive mixture of the gases...... now what would happen if you could make an alloy that performed this reaction a bit more slowly and controlled without the heat and the explosion??? think of it ...instant water cracking an unlimited supply of H...O...H
anybody know of any exotic catalists that can do this??? cause if you can find it ....theres your answer. important personal health tip... if you find the answer... better tell the world quick ... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430550
5/9/2008 9:01 PM | |
Primordial
User ID: 430706
5/9/2008 11:36 PM
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Hey everyone..
Just a little up date, came home from work this eve and decidd to try a test using the stainless steel switch plates i bought hooked up to the 18v drill battery. First I used a negative, neutral, positive configuration and was pretty nice reaction, then for the hell of it I did negative, negative, positive and it seems to produce even more, videos to follow shortly as soon as they are finished uploading..!! Getting a little excited here! lol
For the new people to the thread I just started a youtube account user name hydrozam75 to keep track of my progress!
After I get the vids on here I need some input please on this discovery! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 389762
5/9/2008 11:56 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Hey everyone..
Just a little up date, came home from work this eve and decidd to try a test using the stainless steel switch plates i bought hooked up to the 18v drill battery. First I used a negative, neutral, positive configuration and was pretty nice reaction, then for the hell of it I did negative, negative, positive and it seems to produce even more, videos to follow shortly as soon as they are finished uploading..!! Getting a little excited here! lol
For the new people to the thread I just started a youtube account user name hydrozam75 to keep track of my progress!
After I get the vids on here I need some input please on this discovery! Quoting: Primordial
Standing by |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 298429
5/10/2008 2:37 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Now HERE'S a thread on GLP I didn't MIND spending an hour to read, and when I reached the end I wished it hadn't ended!
Bravo!
Dammit man now I am looking for a 9v and some paperclips....ya'll are gonna be the death of me yet.
:D |
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scimitar
I Just wanna know
User ID: 373365
5/10/2008 11:12 AM
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In all honesty unless someone has a fairly good understanding of the electronic circuitry needed to control a high voltage cell it would be better to stick with a standard electroysis cell. Remember if you are building a high voltage cell the water should be distilled without an electrolyte such as vinegar or salt.
I'm all ears. Teach me oh wise one. How would i control high voltage? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 429597
Since there is an outside possibility that you are being sarcastic, I will just say that I have sufficient knowledge to assist someone if they are interested in building a high voltage implementation. There are numerous places on the internet and the library as well to gain knowledge.
Since I have not experimented with using high voltage to attain electrolysis I could not be considered a wise one on this particular subject, but I do enjoy learning.
So are you serious?
One Truth.... many realities |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429597
5/10/2008 12:50 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Since there is an outside possibility that you are being sarcastic, I will just say that I have sufficient knowledge to assist someone if they are interested in building a high voltage implementation. There are numerous places on the internet and the library as well to gain knowledge.
Since I have not experimented with using high voltage to attain electrolysis I could not be considered a wise one on this particular subject, but I do enjoy learning.
So are you serious? Quoting: scimitar
I'm absolutely serious. I took a coarse in college for electronic fundamentals for automotive technology last semester so i know the basics of how electricity works. |
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scimitar
I Just wanna know
User ID: 373365
5/10/2008 12:51 PM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 430550
Great info....... almost enough to build yourself. Thanks!
First time I've seen that.
One Truth.... many realities |
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scimitar
I Just wanna know
User ID: 373365
5/10/2008 12:54 PM
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I'm absolutely serious. I took a coarse in college for electronic fundamentals for automotive technology last semester so i know the basics of how electricity works. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 429597
If you watch this thread I'll be around. have some "Honey Does" at the moment.
With the post about the Meyers document there is a lot of good information about the hardware configuration he used.
It would be fun to actually try to build one.
Later!
One Truth.... many realities |
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Primordial
User ID: 430964
5/10/2008 12:56 PM
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Sorry guys I know last night some of you were waiting for the vids, I had a problem with youtube last night they are uploading right now! So I should be posting soon!
And for the person that wished the thread had not ended stay tuned lol!
The purpose of my projects and videos is to show from a beginners point of view that this can be done!! |
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Primordial
User ID: 430964
5/10/2008 2:11 PM
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Ok here is a test I did last night using the switch plate covers. They are set up as negative - neutral - positive.
I am loading the video where i made a little discovery so stay tuned!! lol
Sorry for the delay guys, feel free to input!
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Primordial
User ID: 430964
5/10/2008 2:52 PM
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Hmmmmm yutube not letting me post vids WTF! |
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