You have cars run on gas ... why not using the same principle on this ?
No fuel... only HH ?
Quoting: Lastone 430945
thats actually a great question and i saw some good answers. The thing this post is focusing on is for the DIY person in the garage to make a decent cell capable of outputtin enough HHO to help as a supplement to save on you gas milage! Now true there are a few people who have accomplished making an entire hydrogen only system. but they tend to get much more complicating and i havent aquired nearly enough knowledge yet to do something like that let alone risk my engine lol. But as the thread continues and the reserch goes on Im sure as a collective melting pot of knowledge maybe we can figure it out!!
Grower User ID: 429597 5/11/2008 3:17 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I haven't seen yet any circuit built to supply a constant voltage, constant current power supply directly from 12 volt to run the electrolyzer.
A common problem is electrolyzers going into a boil at much higher current draw and burning out fuses.
Constant current circuits are no secret, so why hasn't somebody built one?
They have LOL. From what ive been reading the trick is to create high voltage with low current. That will give less heat. Right now im researching how a stun gun can produce 750,000 volts of electricity out of a 9 volt battery
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 429597
It's just a coil that causes the increase in voltage. How much it increase depends on the amount of turns in the coil.
In a coil the current is never affected and will remain the same. You could use a hot auto coil if you wanted to.
Now one thing I was just thinking about, I wonder if you could circulate the water to keep it from over heating. So long as the circulating water is below the plates I think you could.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 431487 5/11/2008 5:48 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
HydroZam that three plate configuration is COOKING! Man I'm going to have to do this and start experimenting.
I remember seeing reading about this years ago but never did any thing with it, for one thing you tube wasn't around bachk then and who ever wrote what I was reading over complicated every thing.
The way gas prices are now this is a necessity..
Keep going.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 431487 5/11/2008 6:23 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
Seems like it would give you more bang for the buck.
seems like a carbide dripper to generate acetylene would be easier and more direct than trying to re-invent electrolysis of water
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 333578
You remember one thing !!
You are trying to produce energy without producing garbage or sub products.
By using stainless steel 304 you will not have sub products.
And remember ... when you built a hydrogen cell... you are producing hydrogen yes, but, you're also prudocing electricity..
You do not need ampers... you need volts.
You will get more energy of it that you put in.
You do not wont the assembly to stabilise... you have to keep it off balance. So take the free electrons out of the equation and gain electricity from it. Collect the free electrons from the cell.
Lastone User ID: 431403 5/11/2008 7:38 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
No electrical connections, no electrolysis in my truck, yet.
we can still be on the same page then, if later you can objectively report if anything is actually gained when you hook the thing up, as opposed to just using a 'bubbler'. I'm just not getting why you think your bubbler is generating hydrogen without electricity.
Jesus, how many times do I have to say I'm creating hydrogen in an electrolyser IN MY GARAGE!
Look at the pics on the first page of this thread. See the electrolyzer ON MY WORKBENCH?
Then, see the vaporizer IN MY TRUCK.
Quoting: Evil Twin
I wonder if with that "bubbler", you aren't just leaning out your gas/fuel mixture. After all, you are inserting more air via a vacuum line, right? How is that different than just a vacuum leak, other than it being a more humid one?
Lastone User ID: 431403 5/11/2008 7:52 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
the last posted video explains it well, but for the laymen:
For instance, if you get a shock from static electricity, you feel the current in your body. You jerk as a response. Now, the "experts" say static electricity cannot provide enough current to do useful work, but this statement is not complete:
it should be: cannot provide enough current from the source!
because when you get the shock, which is the actually the current you feel going through your body,
It's the electrons which are freed IN YOUR BODY due to the high voltage potential which makes the current, so it does not come from the source!
Exactly what happens in meyers cell: voltage high enough to jump from plate to plate, and the current is provided from the electrons from the water: boem! hydrogen, oxygen and electron flow (=current of Amps)
sooooo simple! now go out there and build your cells!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 411384 5/11/2008 8:36 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I was reading Meyer's bio, and it says that his technology was never proven to work and that all his drawings are on the internet. Nobody has been able to do what he claimed.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 429597 5/11/2008 8:38 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
It's just a coil that causes the increase in voltage. How much it increase depends on the amount of turns in the coil.
In a coil the current is never affected and will remain the same. You could use a hot auto coil if you wanted to.
Now one thing I was just thinking about, I wonder if you could circulate the water to keep it from over heating. So long as the circulating water is below the plates I think you could.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 431487
so just a coil will step up the voltage? I have 3 unused coils from an old vehicle out in the garage. So a coil is just a wound up insulated copper wire eh?I also have a GIANT roll of copper wire out there doing nothing. what could i wrap it around?
Lastone User ID: 431403 5/11/2008 9:11 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I was reading Meyer's bio, and it says that his technology was never proven to work and that all his drawings are on the internet. Nobody has been able to do what he claimed.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 411384
nope, its not. Meyer had his own language for his circuitry that hes used. This may be why noone is able to replicate his design.
the Questeon ? User ID: 348793 5/11/2008 10:05 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I was reading Meyer's bio, and it says that his technology was never proven to work and that all his drawings are on the internet. Nobody has been able to do what he claimed.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 411384
Ravi has done it.
RAVI 'S STANLEY MEYER REPLICATION WATER FUEL CELL -009
Anonymous Coward User ID: 389762 5/11/2008 10:53 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I was reading Meyer's bio, and it says that his technology was never proven to work and that all his drawings are on the internet. Nobody has been able to do what he claimed.
Ravi has done it.
RAVI 'S STANLEY MEYER REPLICATION WATER FUEL CELL -009
Quoting: the Questeon ? 348793
Ravi was bullied by some people and has decided to lay low for a while his info is up on the web but dont expect anymore from him. It is true though he was on the right course. VERY close to replicating Meyers results.
Good luck.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 431646 5/11/2008 11:53 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
You do not need ampers... you need volts.
You will get more energy of it that you put in.
You do not wont the assembly to stabilise... you have to keep it off balance. So take the free electrons out of the equation and gain electricity from it. Collect the free electrons from the cell.
Quoting: Lastone 431403
tell your doctor that your experimental brain surgery failed
Reptilecus User ID: 431646 5/12/2008 12:09 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I wonder if with that "bubbler", you aren't just leaning out your gas/fuel mixture. After all, you are inserting more air via a vacuum line, right? How is that different than just a vacuum leak, other than it being a more humid one?
Quoting: Pal 429946
Exactly.
This stupidity worked in the days of non-optimized carbureted engines but the new model of fuel injection maintained to a "stoichiometric" ratio by catalytic converters with computerized oxygen sensor feedback is a very elegant model, it is a GOOD system, and interfering with it won't gain you much but higher emissions. "Leaning out" the engine is way old thought from the 70's; better to have a SMALLER engine in the first place, a smaller engine that still uses fuel injection/catalytic converter/computer controlled mixture via oxygen sensor. We're not savages, we can do reduced emissions with our current technology, no good reason to defeat it with 70's style air-bleed devices disguised as "browntard's gas" or any other popular internet fraud.
I look forward to a day when cars are underpowered instead of undersized. We Americans will never settle for tiny crackerbox cars that kill and maim our families in even a minor collision like the Brits and Chinese love so much, but if instead we just reduced engine size all would be well. Not another democrat 55mph speed limit, but rather a car that takes 20 seconds to go zero-to-60 instead of 7 seconds. what the hell is wrong with that?
Grower User ID: 429597 5/12/2008 12:29 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I wonder if with that "bubbler", you aren't just leaning out your gas/fuel mixture. After all, you are inserting more air via a vacuum line, right? How is that different than just a vacuum leak, other than it being a more humid one?
Exactly.
This stupidity worked in the days of non-optimized carbureted engines but the new model of fuel injection maintained to a "stoichiometric" ratio by catalytic converters with computerized oxygen sensor feedback is a very elegant model, it is a GOOD system, and interfering with it won't gain you much but higher emissions. "Leaning out" the engine is way old thought from the 70's; better to have a SMALLER engine in the first place, a smaller engine that still uses fuel injection/catalytic converter/computer controlled mixture via oxygen sensor. We're not savages, we can do reduced emissions with our current technology, no good reason to defeat it with 70's style air-bleed devices disguised as "browntard's gas" or any other popular internet fraud.
I look forward to a day when cars are underpowered instead of undersized. We Americans will never settle for tiny crackerbox cars that kill and maim our families in even a minor collision like the Brits and Chinese love so much, but if instead we just reduced engine size all would be well. Not another democrat 55mph speed limit, but rather a car that takes 20 seconds to go zero-to-60 instead of 7 seconds. what the hell is wrong with that?
Quoting: Reptilecus 431646
Yeah you pull out on a highway with cars doing 90MPH+ going 0-60 in 2 miles. I'm guessing you didn't read this thread as well. Considering you think this is a hoax.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 431646 5/12/2008 12:35 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I wonder if with that "bubbler", you aren't just leaning out your gas/fuel mixture. After all, you are inserting more air via a vacuum line, right? How is that different than just a vacuum leak, other than it being a more humid one?
Exactly.
This stupidity worked in the days of non-optimized carbureted engines but the new model of fuel injection maintained to a "stoichiometric" ratio by catalytic converters with computerized oxygen sensor feedback is a very elegant model, it is a GOOD system, and interfering with it won't gain you much but higher emissions. "Leaning out" the engine is way old thought from the 70's; better to have a SMALLER engine in the first place, a smaller engine that still uses fuel injection/catalytic converter/computer controlled mixture via oxygen sensor. We're not savages, we can do reduced emissions with our current technology, no good reason to defeat it with 70's style air-bleed devices disguised as "browntard's gas" or any other popular internet fraud.
I look forward to a day when cars are underpowered instead of undersized. We Americans will never settle for tiny crackerbox cars that kill and maim our families in even a minor collision like the Brits and Chinese love so much, but if instead we just reduced engine size all would be well. Not another democrat 55mph speed limit, but rather a car that takes 20 seconds to go zero-to-60 instead of 7 seconds. what the hell is wrong with that?
Yeah you pull out on a highway with cars doing 90MPH+ going 0-60 in 2 miles. I'm guessing you didn't read this thread as well. Considering you think this is a hoax.
Quoting: Grower 429597
grower i only became aware of you yesterday, and already i knew you weren't having luck with your brain meds. you goddam autistics are going to escort us right into the world of 'the matrix' with your defective brains, your paranoia, your failure to grasp.
and yes as a matter of fact I WOULD like fries with that, BOY.
now go be a commie somewhere else
Grower User ID: 429597 5/12/2008 1:02 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
grower i only became aware of you yesterday, and already i knew you weren't having luck with your brain meds. you goddam autistics are going to escort us right into the world of 'the matrix' with your defective brains, your paranoia, your failure to grasp.
and yes as a matter of fact I WOULD like fries with that, BOY.
now go be a commie somewhere else
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 431646
That was a good one! I'm glad your much smarter then I am.Where did you come up with these insults? Certainly not by your self. Why are you insulting me anyway? You should re-read what you just typed and look what your insulting me with.
" and already i knew you weren't having luck with your brain meds. you goddam autistics are going to escort us right into the world of 'the matrix' with your defective brains, your paranoia, your failure to grasp."
And this one really gets me.
"and yes as a matter of fact I WOULD like fries with that, BOY.
now go be a commie somewhere else"
LOL. just brilliant.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 431686 5/12/2008 1:38 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
you do not need ampers... you need volts.
You will get more energy of it that you put in.
You do not wont the assembly to stabilise... you have to keep it off balance. So take the free electrons out of the equation and gain electricity from it. Collect the free electrons from the cell.
Quoting: lastone
How?
How does one collect the freed electrons you and Stan in the video are discussing reclaiming?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 431797 5/12/2008 8:34 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
Rather than a bedini electrical system hooked to a meyer cell, consider this option:
First, know that Bob Boyce is trying to gain anomalous output from a toroidal coilform, and to understand that, look on overunity dot com for the Marks TPU and "lords of the ring" (a bunch of guys working on toroidal coils).
Bob Boyce is powering a parallel plate electrolyzer with a toroidal coil and a circuit feeding three frequencies into the primary windings at ~48,000 CPS (hertz) with half and quarter frequency of 48K in an attempt to achieve that natural resonance.
Instead, use the (possibly) overunity from a pulsed circuit toroid to power a meyers cell.
You really need to go back in this thread and look for the Dr Lindemann video explaining his understanding of the meyers cell to fully understand what I am trying to post here.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 428246 5/12/2008 10:05 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
If you look at the "parallel path" transformers work being done by Flynn research team, you will find transformers much like depicted in the Peter Lindemann video.
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