Hey there,im new with this thing.Can anyone please help me te begin with my experiments by emailing me the basic plan on how to build the hho generator. Cois@mailmate.Co.Za....Thanx guys
Quoting: Cois 435245
If you just peruse through this thread you will find numerous links with schematics and explainations.
If you are interested only in conventional electrolysis then it is as simple as taking two parallel plates of a corrosion resistant metal (ie; Stainless Steel) immersing them in water that has had an electrolyte added to it...... the easiest, albiet not the best is table salt, then connect each plate via alligator clip jumper wires to each side of a 12 volt battery and voila, Hydrogen and Oxygen..... along with several other undesirable gases. One Truth.... many realities
Anonymous Coward User ID: 383715 5/18/2008 7:24 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
"I do have a question that I have not been able to answer yet..... In the system diagram from the patent the "Energy Intensifier" portion shows that there are 5 windings on what appears a common core transformer, with a notation that it is a uniploar magnetic coupling. It is not clear whether they are merely stating the obvious, that current is only pulsed in a unipolar direction or that there is something special about the construction of the core."
Meyers explains that:
Anonymous Coward User ID: 337786 5/18/2008 9:00 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
Hello everyone, I have been following the thread. A few pages earlier, there was a vid of a 5 hp being run on HHO. Can someone tell me how much HHO that 5hp motor was consumming. I purchased some 316L Stainless sheet Friday (almost $100) and have a 11hp propane powered engine. So I am ready to try something. I need to commit to some design and try.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 435229 5/18/2008 9:16 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
Hello everyone, I have been following the thread. A few pages earlier, there was a vid of a 5 hp being run on HHO. Can someone tell me how much HHO that 5hp motor was consumming. I purchased some 316L Stainless sheet Friday (almost $100) and have a 11hp propane powered engine. So I am ready to try something. I need to commit to some design and try.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 337786
If you do that your engine will be lost.
Remember that the hydrogen as a diferent burn temperature from gas and that it burns mutch faster.
You have the need to change the ignition of the engine. The ignition as to be at almost the top zero point of the engine. With gas the ignition is almost at the bottom zero point of the engine.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 337786 5/18/2008 9:28 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
Hello everyone, I have been following the thread. A few pages earlier, there was a vid of a 5 hp being run on HHO. Can someone tell me how much HHO that 5hp motor was consumming. I purchased some 316L Stainless sheet Friday (almost $100) and have a 11hp propane powered engine. So I am ready to try something. I need to commit to some design and try.
If you do that your engine will be lost.
Remember that the hydrogen as a diferent burn temperature from gas and that it burns mutch faster.
You have the need to change the ignition of the engine. The ignition as to be at almost the top zero point of the engine. With gas the ignition is almost at the bottom zero point of the engine.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 435229
Huh? 180 degrees before TDC? Hardly.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 429946 5/18/2008 9:38 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
Hello everyone, I have been following the thread. A few pages earlier, there was a vid of a 5 hp being run on HHO. Can someone tell me how much HHO that 5hp motor was consumming. I purchased some 316L Stainless sheet Friday (almost $100) and have a 11hp propane powered engine. So I am ready to try something. I need to commit to some design and try.
If you do that your engine will be lost.
Remember that the hydrogen as a diferent burn temperature from gas and that it burns mutch faster.
You have the need to change the ignition of the engine. The ignition as to be at almost the top zero point of the engine. With gas the ignition is almost at the bottom zero point of the engine.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 435229
Huh? 180 degrees before TDC? Hardly. More like 6-10.
Grower User ID: 435135 5/18/2008 9:51 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
"I do have a question that I have not been able to answer yet..... In the system diagram from the patent the "Energy Intensifier" portion shows that there are 5 windings on what appears a common core transformer, with a notation that it is a uniploar magnetic coupling. It is not clear whether they are merely stating the obvious, that current is only pulsed in a unipolar direction or that there is something special about the construction of the core."
Meyers explains that:
Quoting: Lastone 435229
Uhhh..... not really. He spoke for just a moment that he used stainless steel wire for the choke inductors, but no mention of the inductive parameters or what is meant by unipolar magnetic coupling. He did seem to confirm that they were wound on the same core, but not completely...... unless I could infer that they were actually part of the water electodes themselves.
But I suppose if replicating it were easy we would have all done it by now.
scimitar I Just wanna know User ID: 373365 5/18/2008 10:31 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
Wow, this thread has grown since I was last here!
I've been busy-as-hell for the last week, so haven't messed with my electrolysis rig at all.
My next phase, I think, is to try a setup like the one I posted pics of at the beginning of the thread, except I will wind the wire about half as far apart. Twice the conducter in the same space. Also, I'm going to try something besides baking soda as an electrolyte. To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q...
Anonymous Coward User ID: 389762 5/19/2008 12:15 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I hear ya Evil Twin... I am going to start the Cornish Hydrogen Generator. With the parts needed I think it will be a little more expensive than the electrolysis method but what the hell somebody has got to do it.
I will surely post here pics and info. This thread has got me motivated again. fucking fuel prices.. grrrr
Thanks everyone that has contributed to this one. This thread is loaded with information and good conversation.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 389762 5/19/2008 1:07 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I want to add this to the mix... This is another way to actually USE the hydrogen in a vehicle. Below is a video of a Japanese company that runs their test vehicle on water. It is all in Japanese so I can not translate it but I can tell you how it works. Their vehicle utilizes a steam engine, per se
This is how it works..
Hydrogen is injected into the cylinder then a fog of water is injected... as the piston comes up the spark plug goes off.. igniting the hydrogen and turning water fog into STEAM.
The reason I thought to present this is quite simple. It is MUCH easier to obtain the amount of hydrogen to do this ON BOARD than the amount needed to totally run the vehicle off of hydrogen alone. Think about it....
anyway.. the video
scimitar I Just wanna know User ID: 373365 5/19/2008 8:14 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
Seems It may be more simplistic (as you said ) than I originally thought. The complexity for much of the patent circuitry was mainly for advanced control over a wide range of operating parameters (what would be required for an automotive installation, not necessarily for building a test prototype).
The choke coils, as stated are wound in a mutually inductive bifilar mode, meaning as soon as as any current begins to flow through them the back EMF produced will reduce the actual voltage to the cell.
I feel more confident now that what I would be able to build, though not optimum, could at least demonstrate the principle of a considerably more efficient splitting of water than conventional electrolysis.
It is logical to think that if you could expose a water molecule to a large enough voltage potential in a pulsed resonant manner that it would decompose.
This also make the Pantone conversion tube a viable construction project as well..... perhaps a hybrid of the two might be the best yet.
Anyway good luck to everyone...... I will start taking a few pictures as I get started and post them in a few days..... well maybe week.... or so. One Truth.... many realities
scimitar I Just wanna know User ID: 20949 5/20/2008 8:46 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I'm going to bump this just to keep it on the minds of those interested.
I am going to start construction of the containment vessel and the electrodes this week end and will make pictures to post next week.
I may wind the bifilar Intensifier coil this week and start testing it...... will let you guys know.
I watched a series of Meyers videos yesterday that I had not seen before on youtube..... and was very impressed with his ideas........ although he does have a few speaking attributes similar to Newman, which was a little disconcerting, but hey, You can't always define an individuals intelligence purely by the way they present themselves......... Well except for George Bush.
Later Dudes!! One Truth.... many realities
Anonymous Coward User ID: 436301 5/20/2008 12:27 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
OUCH!!
Gas hit 1.49 euros per litre today here in portugal that is
2 dollars and 33 cents per litre or 10 dollars and 48 cents per gallon.
I should have my first workable cell in my car by the end off next week.
I am using 2 external 60amp/hr batteries to drive my cell.
The reasons why i choose to use external batteries is because i charge them overnight and this way prevent damaging my cars alternator, also electricity costs +/- 10,2 cents per kw/hour(dollars) which is way cheaper than gas. In the car i charge them at 5Amps continuosly.
The alternator when used at 35/40a causes considerable drag on the engine and this way i avoid that.
I will keep you informed off my tests as soon as they are available.
Lastone User ID: 436462 5/20/2008 6:03 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I'm going to bump this just to keep it on the minds of those interested.
I am going to start construction of the containment vessel and the electrodes this week end and will make pictures to post next week.
I may wind the bifilar Intensifier coil this week and start testing it...... will let you guys know.
I watched a series of Meyers videos yesterday that I had not seen before on youtube..... and was very impressed with his ideas........ although he does have a few speaking attributes similar to Newman, which was a little disconcerting, but hey, You can't always define an individuals intelligence purely by the way they present themselves......... Well except for George Bush.
Later Dudes!!
Quoting: scimitar
Now you're starting to understand Meyer...
You have skin alot about what he is saying. He doesn't put things clear....To him it makes sence but not to you .. lol
I do think that he is trying to say one think but he wasn't using the correct speach
So I have been thinking about this subject damn near non-stop and discussing different ideas and concepts with a buddy since this thread started.
I have a few fundamental but important questions that I think we need to answer as well as some thoughts/observations based on my readings and various videos watched.
First, Stan Meyers mentions in one video that the reason many inventors fail is due to not thinking systemically.
They develop one key component of that fits into an entire system in order to actually work, as with his WFC.
The WFC patents themselves could be virtually useless if he didn't develop and patent the electronic circuit(s) to drive the WFC and some big (oil) co or foreign (big oil owned gov't hostile to the US) interest patented the necessary driving circuitry.
Makes sense.
So that got me thinking about the hydrogen powered car as a system, not merely in terms of a fuel source.
The first question is, do we know how much H production it's going to take to power a H burning internal combustion engine?
It seems as if many peoples cells are outputting on avg 2.0L per minute or about 120L per hr.
Is this sufficient to run the Internal Combustion engine (hereafter abbreviated as ICE) solely on H?
If not, how much IS necessary?
Also, I'm now concerned about how 'on demand' H production will be achieved in moderate to northern climate areas where temperatures cause water to freeze for many many months out of the calendar year.
Obviously we can heat the water up and in pretty rapid fashion to get it back to a liquid state for the purposes of electrolysis, but would that be fast enough for the current style of 'get in turn the key and go' mentality people presently have with gas or other current alternate fuel cars.
Then I got back to reading up some more on Honda's Hydrogen Fuel Cell car, the Clarity.
Only to be sold in S. Cal, and sold isn't the right word really it will be exactly like the GM EV1 fiasco (go watch WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR if you've not seen it yet), where you can only LEASE the car from Honda, and they will provide insurance coverage for the car and provide all maintenance (to ensure no tinkering no doubt) for 3 years at $600 per mo. At the end of that Lease term, i'd be willing to bet Honda will refuse to let the Lessees buy the car outright, reclaim the cars and have them destroyed.
There might even be a legitimate reason, from their 1st generation Fuel Cell to the current generation the advances have been huge in terms of size, weight, and efficiency.... but I think we should all fear that they might declare the project a 'bust' or not real world practical and scrap it entirely as Gm did with the EV1.
So the Clarity works as a H storage vehicle which feeds the H through a Fuel cell to produce electricity and drive an essentially all electric car.
Honda claims about 270 miles on a tank of H.
So I went looking and found the H tank storage capacity is 4.2Kg
So the question I'm working up to, is.... do we shoot for a H burning ICE vehicle....or do we crossbreed the two concepts?
Do we use H2O electrolysis to obtain 'on demand' H which then we pass through a HFC to get electricity to drive an electric powered car instead?
While this might seem unnecessarily complex, my point is..... I don't think at present we can extract enough H from H20 electrolysis to run an ICE on 100% H, but I'm guessing that we could produce enough on demand H to operate a HFC which would electrically power a vehicle.
The best part is that no matter what all we're producing as a byproduct of BOTH processes is .... water.
What do you guys think? "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against its government."
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of the people."
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!!!"
“…if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." - Woodrow Wilson from his death bed regarding his involvement in the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 396846 5/20/2008 8:06 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
if you wanted to run an engine...let's say for example an 2000 cc (2 liter) on straight hydroxy and no gasoline, major mods are required (stainless steel valves and exhaust as well as ceramic coating the heads) to an already inefficient engine. figure having to produce on average 10-20 liters per minute to do this MINIMUM. to produce that much gas, you'll need a bob boyce style resonant reaction electrolyser. the boosters that folks are making on average are just for gas suppliment/better mileage/power. i just made a smack booster.. www.smacksboosters.110mb.com and getting ready to install on small 4 cyl truck.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 436545 5/20/2008 8:57 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
However, it appears all experimentation was done at a fixed separation of about 12 mm when the Meyers unit was operating at about 1/8 inch or about 2mm. Also, Meyers aimed at a resonance effect by using the Keely frequency of 42.8Kc.
So, the Sandia Labs experiment is only somewhat instructive.
Grower User ID: 436482 5/20/2008 10:22 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
if you wanted to run an engine...let's say for example an 2000 cc (2 liter) on straight hydroxy and no gasoline, major mods are required (stainless steel valves and exhaust as well as ceramic coating the heads) to an already inefficient engine. figure having to produce on average 10-20 liters per minute to do this MINIMUM. to produce that much gas, you'll need a bob boyce style resonant reaction electrolyser. the boosters that folks are making on average are just for gas suppliment/better mileage/power. i just made a smack booster.. www.smacksboosters.110mb.com and getting ready to install on small 4 cyl truck.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 396846
how do you figure 10-20 lpm?
scimitar I Just wanna know User ID: 373365 5/20/2008 10:52 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I tend to get a little philosophical at times and for some reason it happens to be now.
I know first hand the excitement from this idealogy of finding something fantastic in terms of "free energy", the power to be completely independent of the "SYSTEM". I began reading about the fringe science of ZPE about 12 years ago. I studied them all..... Well at least several. Soon after I visited the JLN labs website everyday just as I do here.
I realized then that a time was coming quickly when we would need to push through the accepted sciences contolled by those who had given their lives and reputations over to their careers. Once an idividual settles on a way of thinking they will generally fight vehemently to defend it. We would desparately require a way to be independent in our energy needs if we wanted to survive.
I attempted to build a magnet motor, then a Newman motor, then a Bedini motor battery charging system. The only interesting aspect was with the Newman motor.
It had a huge coil with 6 miles of #28 wire and a 5 lb rotor with Neodymium magnets..... I built a Multi-kilovolt power supply and eventually powered it from 1KV. With less than 3 watts of power it would rotate at 600RPM, push a lot of air (it wasn't very aerodynamic), and drive a small generator creating .75 watts of power into a resistor. I was somewhat amazed..... The electrical commutator was a pain though........ Anyway times passes life goes on and you get distracted.
The culmination of the efforts of all of these individuals that we are trying to follow represents a tremendous dedication and devotion to an idea that has been rejected by main stream science. When you try to minimize your work by over simplifing theirs you are probably following the same path they did.
I have learned many things in my pursuit of this target and not all are technical in nature. Do not rush in your efforts ....... think things trough. Do not be discouraged when it is difficult to replicate the results. Continue to study every piece of information you can find.
The wonders of the construction of our existence lie in every aspect of scientific discovery. What ever happens it is important to connect your interest in these things with their creator.
And that's all I have to say about that.
Good Luck and Good Night One Truth.... many realities
Disclaimer: This website exists for entertainment purposes only. The reader is responsible for discerning the validity, factuality
or implications of information posted here, be it fictional or based on real events. Moderators on this forum make every
effort to review the material posted on this site however, it is not realistically possible for our small staff to manually
review each and every one of the more than 10,000 posts GodlikeProductions gets on a daily basis.
The content of post
on this site, including but not limited to links to other web sites, are the expressed opinion of the original poster and are in
no way representative of or endorsed by the owners or administration of this website. The posts on this website are the opinion of
the specific author and are not statements of advice, opinion, or factual information on behalf of the owner or
administration of GodlikeProductions.
This site may contain adult content and if you feel you might be offended by such content, you should log off immediately.
Not all posts on this website are intended as truthful or factual assertion by their authors. Some users of this website are participating in internet role playing, with or without the use of an avatar. NO post on this website should be considered factual information on face value alone. Users are encouraged to USE DISCERNMENT and do their own follow up research while reading and posting on this website. Godlikeproductions.com reserves the right to make changes to, corrections and/or remove entirely at any time posts made on this website without notice. In addition, Godlikeproductions.com disclaims any and all liability for damages incurred directly or indirectly as a result of a post on this website.
This site is provided "as is" without warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied. You should not assume that this site is error-free or that it will be suitable for the particular purpose which you have in mind when using it. In no event shall Godlikeproductions.com be liable for any special, incidental, indirect or consequential damages of any kind, or any damages whatsoever, including, without limitation, those resulting from loss of use, data or profits, whether or not advised of the possibility of damage, and on any theory of liability, arising out of or in connection with the use or performance of this site or other documents which are referenced by or linked to this site.
Some events depicted in certain posting and threads on this website may be fictitious and any similarity to any person living or dead is merely coincidental. Some other articles may be based on actual events but which in certain cases incidents, characters and timelines have been changed for dramatic purposes. Certain characters may be composites, or entirely fictitious.
We do not discriminate against the mentally ill!
Fair Use Notice: This site may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Users may make such material available in an effort to advance awareness and understanding of issues relating to civil rights, economics, individual rights, international affairs, liberty, science & technology, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C.Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information please visit: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml
Please be aware any communications sent complaining about a post on this website may be posted publicly at the discretion of the administration.
This Disclaimer is subject to change at anytime.
Mail Webmaster with questions or comments about this site.
