If you really believe he lied a lot then why would you even pursue what he was trying to do?
If you build it the way you want to and it works great! However remember what his objective was........ to produce enough HHO on demand to completely run an engine with no hydrocarbon fuel. Part of his claim was being able to convert a maximum of 5 gallons of water per hour........ That is a tremendous amount of HHO gas.
His first patent showed using 60Hz line voltage only. Ten years later he changed it to the current design, although he then went a step further to convert water vapor just prior to entering the combustion chamber. I was an evolution in his thinking as he gained knowledge.
Now I certainly can't say without doubt that he has outlined everything exactly as necessary for operation of the cell as he claimed..... Each of us will use our own imagination to fill in the blanks.
I am slowly making progress towards my own goal. I'm currently testing the VIC section. I don't get what I expected so I must figure out why. One Truth.... many realities
Lastone User ID: 443764 6/1/2008 11:20 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
If you really believe he lied a lot then why would you even pursue what he was trying to do?
If you build it the way you want to and it works great! However remember what his objective was........ to produce enough HHO on demand to completely run an engine with no hydrocarbon fuel. Part of his claim was being able to convert a maximum of 5 gallons of water per hour........ That is a tremendous amount of HHO gas.
His first patent showed using 60Hz line voltage only. Ten years later he changed it to the current design, although he then went a step further to convert water vapor just prior to entering the combustion chamber. I was an evolution in his thinking as he gained knowledge.
Now I certainly can't say without doubt that he has outlined everything exactly as necessary for operation of the cell as he claimed..... Each of us will use our own imagination to fill in the blanks.
I am slowly making progress towards my own goal. I'm currently testing the VIC section. I don't get what I expected so I must figure out why.
Quoting: scimitar
When I say he did lie alot it is because he didn't wont people to know how to do it.
He starts talking about one thing and in the midle he talkings about another thing, then he puts them all together as if it was all the same subject. But they aren't.
The frequency is an exemple. When he is talking about water resonance the khz info is not about water resonance but about the dissociation of the hydrogen atom after combustion.
I believe he did use a frequency in the khz range to brake apart the hydrogen atom and by doing that, the result is the realice of enormous amount of energy..(that he was always talking about). Hz to water resonance... Khz to hydrogen atomic distabilization.
I do not have the wave on youtube but a guy as... I will search the video and post in the thread.
scimitar I Just wanna know User ID: 373365 6/1/2008 12:38 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
If he really didn't want anyone to know how to do it and keep it secret just to himself so he would be a rich man then he has no upstanding character in my eyes.
However, I don't truely believe this. I'm fairly certain his main concern was to stop the control of energy dependency on our lives. One story stated that the Arabs had offered him a billion dollars to leave it alone.
It is certainly possible that he really didn't know how to explain it in proper technical terms....... numerous other inventors of anomalous energy devices also seemed to have this problem.
Personally I think this is the most viable escape route away from oil........ We could be wrong, but one things for certain, if you want to take away someones power over you they may not like it. That is a warning, if we find it works then we must proceed rather quietly.
For me only time will tell....... Alrighty then back to work. One Truth.... many realities
Grower User ID: 442960 6/1/2008 2:48 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
What would the military want with this ;)
You could run a submarine in the water as long as you had food.
A boat above water for ever.
Travel across solar systems.
endless things you can do with this.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 443725 6/1/2008 3:24 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
If he really didn't want anyone to know how to do it and keep it secret just to himself so he would be a rich man then he has no upstanding character in my eyes.
However, I don't truely believe this. I'm fairly certain his main concern was to stop the control of energy dependency on our lives. One story stated that the Arabs had offered him a billion dollars to leave it alone.
It is certainly possible that he really didn't know how to explain it in proper technical terms....... numerous other inventors of anomalous energy devices also seemed to have this problem.
Personally I think this is the most viable escape route away from oil........ We could be wrong, but one things for certain, if you want to take away someones power over you they may not like it. That is a warning, if we find it works then we must proceed rather quietly.
For me only time will tell....... Alrighty then back to work.
Quoting: scimitar
NO...!!
Not quietly!!!
We must share the knowledge as much as we can.
Meyer didn't. He was not working to give humankind free energy.
He was working to give USA free energy... and to make USA not dependent of OIL from other countries. He didn't wont anyone to know about it till he had a patent for all the components of the cell.
We was crazy about security. And that killed him.
He wonted the US to have power over all other countries... and the Country that he was working for... killed him.. Isn´t that good??
I'm studing and doing my work as I can... but I will give it all for free if I do find the way to do it. It will be not my find.... it will be every body find.
Will not say who I'm ... anonymous .......
I do not want a dollar for it. I will post it all in as many places as I can.. and will not be quiet about it. I will be anonymus about it.
Everyone that did stay quiet and show it only to friends and few people is dead or was bought to be quiet and forget it, If not, the state took all the work and classified it unther nacional secutity policy etc..etc..
Every important info that I find by testing, research, books etc... i will post it.
So.... do not stay quiet about it... Post it in as many places as you can... Full discloser.. with all the work and the best way to do it...
GIVE... Not sell it
Just give it to everyone.....
Isn't it what we are doing in this thread. Sharing information and trying to find it together???
People need to say I FOUND IT... they need credit for it.. and that is what gives "them" the powert stop it.
"The secret lies in not making it a secret....."
It wasn't you to find it... it was found by everyone.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 443469 6/1/2008 7:07 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
the 555 chip is to custom make your own pulse width modulator.. what this does is "pulse" the electrodes to allow the bubble to detach from them..It does improve efficiency as I have explained before the bubbles that form on the electrodes temporarily stop the electrolysis until they come off the electrodes. You do not need to build your own timer circuit to do this.. remember some people like to build everything from the ground up...
All you do need is the control circuit out of a cordless drill. disassemble a battery operated cordless drill. the wires that go to the drill motor should go to the electrodes the wires that go to the battery... well they go to the battery.
please remember shoving 12 volts at whatever amps from your battery/electrical system is not all used. you only need 2volts to separate water... anything over that and you are building a water heater. the key to efficiency is the correct voltage and amps for the surface area of your electrodes.
since most of us dont have the advanced math to calculate this we have to discover this from experimentation.
that is where the PWM comes in. you can adjust the correct amount of power going to the cell. the only way you can determine what the correct amount or power for your application is by monitoring the effects.
like water temp
gas output
There is another factor in this and that is electrolyte. Correct mixtures are KEY to a consistent medium in which to experiment. I will give you the correct mixtures here. Record this for reference.
The best electrolyte I have used is Potassium Hydroxide at 26 % solution
by weight to Distilled Water.
The next best one I used is Sodium hydroxide at approx 23 % solution
to Distilled water.
This is for a 7 Cell Series cell.... so it was low voltage electrolysis.
Somewhere about 1.9 V between the plates.
If you were to put 6 volts or more across plates - then you would need much less electrolyte
and some kind of vapor catcher on the output pipe.
I hope all of this was clear and understandable.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 442665
scimitar I Just wanna know User ID: 373365 6/1/2008 9:31 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
Not quietly!!!
We must share the knowledge as much as we can.
Meyer didn't. He was not working to give humankind free energy.
He was working to give USA free energy... and to make USA not dependent of OIL from other countries. He didn't wont anyone to know about it till he had a patent for all the components of the cell.
We was crazy about security. And that killed him.
He wonted the US to have power over all other countries... and the Country that he was working for... killed him.. Isn´t that good??
I'm studing and doing my work as I can... but I will give it all for free if I do find the way to do it. It will be not my find.... it will be every body find.
Will not say who I'm ... anonymous .......
I do not want a dollar for it. I will post it all in as many places as I can.. and will not be quiet about it. I will be anonymus about it.
Everyone that did stay quiet and show it only to friends and few people is dead or was bought to be quiet and forget it, If not, the state took all the work and classified it unther nacional secutity policy etc..etc..
Every important info that I find by testing, research, books etc... i will post it.
So.... do not stay quiet about it... Post it in as many places as you can... Full discloser.. with all the work and the best way to do it...
GIVE... Not sell it
Just give it to everyone.....
Isn't it what we are doing in this thread. Sharing information and trying to find it together???
People need to say I FOUND IT... they need credit for it.. and that is what gives "them" the powert stop it.
"The secret lies in not making it a secret....."
It wasn't you to find it... it was found by everyone.
Quoting: Lastone 443982
You may not quite understand why I say what I do. I casually mention what I am doing to my neighbors, The first words out of there mouths..... Wow! build it so we can all be rich. I quickly point out this has nothing to do with money.
Unfortunately, most people want more money so they can have an easier life........ This is human nature. If we can recreate what Meyers said he could do then push to market it publicly, some group stands to lose a lot more money than this will ever make in sales. You don't want to be at the forefront of leading the charge to produce it. Sure you can post information about it all day long, people already do that. Just doing that will never get it to the masses....... We can only help a few each. Do what you will, but if you can make it work to completely replace gasoline don't scream too loud.
Just my Humble Opinion. One Truth.... many realities
Anonymous Coward User ID: 442960 6/1/2008 10:07 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
You may not quite understand why I say what I do. I casually mention what I am doing to my neighbors, The first words out of there mouths..... Wow! build it so we can all be rich. I quickly point out this has nothing to do with money.
Unfortunately, most people want more money so they can have an easier life........ This is human nature. If we can recreate what Meyers said he could do then push to market it publicly, some group stands to lose a lot more money than this will ever make in sales. You don't want to be at the forefront of leading the charge to produce it. Sure you can post information about it all day long, people already do that. Just doing that will never get it to the masses....... We can only help a few each. Do what you will, but if you can make it work to completely replace gasoline don't scream too loud.
Just my Humble Opinion.
Quoting: scimitar
Someone just needs to figure it out and give it free to the public who pay for parts. I seriously think karma or what ever you want to call it will find its way back to you. But what will this do to water? will countries start to whore all the water too? Make giant depositories of water like we do with oil here in the US? It is hard to tell where things would go.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 442960 6/1/2008 10:13 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
this stuff works. sue me for damages if it doesn't. my re-imaging(cover)
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Hey guys I know there has been a lot of discussions on this topic here in the past.
I have been doing some youtubin and found that there are ALOT of people out there really putting it to the test. The reaction of the first video is priceless.
These are things you can do in your basement or garage!
making an electrolysis chamber to induct browns gas into your intake can improve mpg greatly and it burns CLEANER!
Well anyways Im looking for other people interested that have ideas as well. It seems a couple of simple ideas are to use stainless steel switchplates from home depot a cheap electrolyte such as baking powder or Lye, and a bubbler as a saftey precaution. watch the video below also here are youtube users that have some cool videos!
johnaarons
kyhydro
sirHOAX
bornman88
search these names and also search for HHO, browns gas, hydrogen, water engine! i am currently working on a crude chamber to see what configuration of the plates will produce the most browns gas.
Quoting: Primordial
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More secrets User ID: 444958 6/3/2008 2:42 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
The Secret = small pvc chamber under vacuum with hydrogen gas in it powered by neon transformer = plasma state electron cascade hydrogen transformation
The secret behind this technology is this..
VACUUM
pull a vacuum on cell (15 to 20)
send gas into your Secret Chamber (under vacuum as well)
send exiting gas to your engine.
H2 to H1
cameldreamer User ID: 445125 6/3/2008 2:54 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I am having some problems with the cell i built and need some advice.
My cell consists of 2 tubes with a 85 cm length and 42mm outer diameter, 35mm inner diameter. distance between tubes 2mm.
My objective is to run this cell at 3v at 50 amps. I am using a 550w switch mode computer power supply that i have altered to self vary the output voltage to maintain a steady current. The o/p voltage varies from 3-5V.
The problems i am having is that at 3,3v i draw only 600mA. AT 5V the current is 20amps with a good hho production.
My electrolite consists of distilled water, wine vinagre and bicarbonate of soda.(these are the things i have at home)
Any suggestion as to increasng my current flow without having to increase voltage?
Note: I have saturated my electrolite with as much bicarbonate of soda and vinager as is possible and current at 5V increased from 16 to 20 amps.
thanks
scimitar I Just wanna know User ID: 373365 6/3/2008 4:53 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
The Secret = small pvc chamber under vacuum with hydrogen gas in it powered by neon transformer = plasma state electron cascade hydrogen transformation
The secret behind this technology is this..
VACUUM
pull a vacuum on cell (15 to 20)
send gas into your Secret Chamber (under vacuum as well)
send exiting gas to your engine.
H2 to H1
Quoting: More secrets 444958
Interesting thought...... I have a 20 KV PS I built with a neon sign transformer.
But first the way the patent shows...... I have finished building the VIC...... loaded with a 470KOhm resistor in parallel with a 2.5KV 4.0uf cap. I can achieve approximately 400V. This is being driven with 12 volts and is functional well about 20Khz switching. I'm only driving it with about a 20% duty cycle at the moment though and it is pulling less that 200ma.
Now it is time to start building the cell..... I will probably build a small test cell first though. Just to see what happens.
At first I would settle for any reasonable gas output with distilled water.
Slowly but surely. One Truth.... many realities
Anonymous Coward User ID: 445477 6/4/2008 3:38 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
Meyer's VIC = neon transformer (from another poster); then scimitar:
Interesting thought...... I have a 20 KV PS I built with a neon sign transformer.
But first the way the patent shows...... I have finished building the VIC...... loaded with a 470KOhm resistor in parallel with a 2.5KV 4.0uf cap. I can achieve approximately 400V. This is being driven with 12 volts and is functional well about 20Khz switching. I'm only driving it with about a 20% duty cycle at the moment though and it is pulling less that 200ma.
Now it is time to start building the cell..... I will probably build a small test cell first though. Just to see what happens.
At first I would settle for any reasonable gas output with distilled water.
Slowly but surely.
Quoting: scimitar
Congratulations Sir! on your progress.
Any more details - and really, I mean more exact details about your circuit.
Pulsing the thing to keep voltage up and current down seems important...
Nice to read about engineers and other technically proficient people coming in on these projects.
.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 445477 6/4/2008 3:45 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
Any more details - and really, I mean more exact details about your circuit.
Pulsing the thing to keep voltage up and current down seems important...
Nice to read about engineers and other technically proficient people coming in on these projects.
.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 445477
Thank You.
I honestly have never wound a transformer before so I'm learning. I currently am seeing somethings I've not seen before and cannot quite explain. I've tried winding the chokes on a common core with the step-up transformer, but now see that the inter winding capacitance interacts with the output. I'm using a "Magnetics" PQ4040 core with a 100 turn #24 primary. There is only a single section on this bobbin so all the windings are on top of each other. The step-up secondary consists of ~780 turns of #32. and the chokes are ~260 of #32 each. The coil driver is a 2N5157 500V 3.5 amp power transistor (I use what I have). The base of the 2N5157 is driven via an HCPL263 opto isolator feeding a 2N2907 to boost the current. I'm using a commercial pulse generator at the moment to control the drive pulses.
Until I can decipher the issues I have I wouldn't recommend replicating any of this. If I reach a usable configuration I will post schematics. I believe at the moment I will connect all the secondary windings in series and use the transformer only as the step-up section of the VIC and wind the chokes on a ferrite rod that I have. I will let yall know what happens.
Sounds silly but I took stainless spoons in tap water to see what would happen...... the output was loaded to less that 100 Volts. Only the tiniest bit of gas was produced.
Later Dudes. One Truth.... many realities
scimitar I Just wanna know User ID: 373365 6/4/2008 9:57 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I've just had a minor epiphany I thought I'd share about Meyers cell.
First, even distilled water will conduct current...... tap water even more so. The output of a high voltage source is normal a fairly high impedance..... so a continuous high voltage potential cannot be placed across the cell, in fact as the VIC is building a charge no current can be allowed to flow. The chokes, as they are wound in the patent, act as a quencher to potential if any change in current occurs....... meaning no current can flow until a particular voltage potential is reached. So how can current be inhibited until the proper time?
I was reminded of a friend at work who related a science experiment he did with his son. they used carbon electrodes in tap water then connected a push button grill ignitor using a piezo crystal. Immediate deformation of the crystal will produce a high voltage across it which will in turn cause a spark across a gap once the voltage is high enough to break down the air. He stated that when they pushed the button a great deal..... almost explosively so...... of gas was produced.
Bingo...... included in the cell must be an adjusted spark gap that will fire at a high voltage potential. This would be in series with one of the electrodes. Also included on the output of the rectified step-up output would be a high voltage capacitor, which would hold the charge until the gap fires. This would then feed the quenching chokes. At the instant the spark gap fires and an instant of current flow occurs the chokes will immediately null the voltage to the cell. The control circuit would detect this and stop pulsing the VIC for a relaxation period. THen the process would start again.
Now it is possible I'm full of hot air, but with my available knowledge this makes the most sense to me.
What do you think? One Truth.... many realities
Anonymous Coward User ID: 445615 6/4/2008 10:17 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I've just had a minor epiphany I thought I'd share about Meyers cell.
First, even distilled water will conduct current...... tap water even more so. The output of a high voltage source is normal a fairly high impedance..... so a continuous high voltage potential cannot be placed across the cell, in fact as the VIC is building a charge no current can be allowed to flow. The chokes, as they are wound in the patent, act as a quencher to potential if any change in current occurs....... meaning no current can flow until a particular voltage potential is reached. So how can current be inhibited until the proper time?
I was reminded of a friend at work who related a science experiment he did with his son. they used carbon electrodes in tap water then connected a push button grill igniter using a piezo crystal. Immediate deformation of the crystal will produce a high voltage across it which will in turn cause a spark across a gap once the voltage is high enough to break down the air. He stated that when they pushed the button a great deal..... almost explosively so...... of gas was produced.
Bingo...... included in the cell must be an adjusted spark gap that will fire at a high voltage potential. This would be in series with one of the electrodes. Also included on the output of the rectified step-up output would be a high voltage capacitor, which would hold the charge until the gap fires. This would then feed the quenching chokes. At the instant the spark gap fires and an instant of current flow occurs the chokes will immediately null the voltage to the cell. The control circuit would detect this and stop pulsing the VIC for a relaxation period. Then the process would start again.
Now it is possible I'm full of hot air, but with my available knowledge this makes the most sense to me.
What do you think?
Quoting: scimitar
It is said that Meyers used tap water, and that seems to me would pose a regular problem from needing to pull the unit apart to clean the electrodes on a regular basis. Many places in the country the water is hard or dirty and some places both.
As for the spark gap discharge, that is the kind of thing Tesla would do. That is interesting about using a carbon for the arc - another loose string on this ball...
… A 2 mf capacitor was charged to voltages in the 1-10 kV range and discharged into a water column through a 38 mH inductor. At voltages up to about 6 kV, the water acted as a relatively high resistance and the circuit decayed as an overdamped RLC circuit.
Resistance decreased with time. When the resistance dropped below about 10 W, the water would explode if the capacitor still had sufficient energy. The loudness was distinctly greater than an equivalent amount of gunpowder.
… Conclusions : Electrically induced explosions in water are relatively easy to produce with a 2 uF capacitor charged to 10 kV. Expanding steam does not seem to be the main cause. Similar explosions are obtained with significantly different peak currents, which raises questions about the longitudinal Ampere forces being the primary cause. It is therefore conceivable that we are tapping a new energy source.
END QUOTE
I found this guy yesterday and have not yet had time to read all his conclusions: Hans Von Lieven: [link to keelytech.com] on Keely's work.
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 445615 6/4/2008 10:20 AM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
I've just had a minor epiphany I thought I'd share about Meyers cell.
First, even distilled water will conduct current...... tap water even more so. The output of a high voltage source is normal a fairly high impedance..... so a continuous high voltage potential cannot be placed across the cell, in fact as the VIC is building a charge no current can be allowed to flow. The chokes, as they are wound in the patent, act as a quencher to potential if any change in current occurs....... meaning no current can flow until a particular voltage potential is reached. So how can current be inhibited until the proper time?
I was reminded of a friend at work who related a science experiment he did with his son. they used carbon electrodes in tap water then connected a push button grill ignitor using a piezo crystal. Immediate deformation of the crystal will produce a high voltage across it which will in turn cause a spark across a gap once the voltage is high enough to break down the air. He stated that when they pushed the button a great deal..... almost explosively so...... of gas was produced.
Bingo...... included in the cell must be an adjusted spark gap that will fire at a high voltage potential. This would be in series with one of the electrodes. Also included on the output of the rectified step-up output would be a high voltage capacitor, which would hold the charge until the gap fires. This would then feed the quenching chokes. At the instant the spark gap fires and an instant of current flow occurs the chokes will immediately null the voltage to the cell. The control circuit would detect this and stop pulsing the VIC for a relaxation period. THen the process would start again.
Now it is possible I'm full of hot air, but with my available knowledge this makes the most sense to me.
What do you think?
Quoting: scimitar
I think he was using 2 pulses.
If you look at the wave form of the meyer circuit... you'll see that he was using 2 signs.
1 - regular and lower pulse to keep the voltage from drop
2 - Higher and irregular waves
Another 1mportant observation is temperature in the cell.
The cell temperature didn't rise to a level that could boil the water.
So if the water temperature didn't rise you know that corrent was never present in the cell. If it did't the cell would explode.
I've been reading alot about negative energy and negative resistors.
Negative resistors are the secret to free energy. This is how I see it. Because you do not have temperature in the process so no losses.
All is connected. And what Meyer found out was the result of diferent information all together.
If he was pulsing the negative in the cell and not the positive? Wasn't he building a voltage potential without corrent in the cell and no temperature problems?
We know that in vacuum (what he call energy from the vacuum) a negative charge is surrounded by millions of positive charges and this is what we catch using pulses in dc circuits. The pulses build and colapse a Magnetic field and this magnetic energy is cought by that field.
So if we pulse a negative magnetic field what would happen?
Why in the bedini motor energy, when you charge a battery you have no problems with the rising of temperature in the battery? In fact you have more energy in the battery and faster then by using a normal charger. You can charge a dead battery but you can not do that with a battery charger.Why?
I think that he is not charging the battery with electrical charges but with magnetic charges and they are not the same.
If we imagine that the cell is like a battery .. isn't it better to use this to charge it? If we have a bigger negative we have a bigger positive. We pulse the negative and we get voltage potential in the cell. Isn't this possible?
Isn't this why he was pulling out more energy from the cell that he was pushing in?
I'm trying to unswer this questions, maybe this will solve the puzzle.
If you have info about this ... It would be great.
all the best
scimitar I Just wanna know User ID: 373365 6/4/2008 5:21 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
If you look at the wave form of the meyer circuit... you'll see that he was using 2 signs.
1 - regular and lower pulse to keep the voltage from drop
2 - Higher and irregular waves
Another 1mportant observation is temperature in the cell.
The cell temperature didn't rise to a level that could boil the water.
So if the water temperature didn't rise you know that corrent was never present in the cell. If it did't the cell would explode.
I've been reading alot about negative energy and negative resistors.
Negative resistors are the secret to free energy. This is how I see it. Because you do not have temperature in the process so no losses.
All is connected. And what Meyer found out was the result of diferent information all together.
If he was pulsing the negative in the cell and not the positive? Wasn't he building a voltage potential without corrent in the cell and no temperature problems?
We know that in vacuum (what he call energy from the vacuum) a negative charge is surrounded by millions of positive charges and this is what we catch using pulses in dc circuits. The pulses build and colapse a Magnetic field and this magnetic energy is cought by that field.
So if we pulse a negative magnetic field what would happen?
Why in the bedini motor energy, when you charge a battery you have no problems with the rising of temperature in the battery? In fact you have more energy in the battery and faster then by using a normal charger. You can charge a dead battery but you can not do that with a battery charger.Why?
I think that he is not charging the battery with electrical charges but with magnetic charges and they are not the same.
If we imagine that the cell is like a battery .. isn't it better to use this to charge it? If we have a bigger negative we have a bigger positive. We pulse the negative and we get voltage potential in the cell. Isn't this possible?
Isn't this why he was pulling out more energy from the cell that he was pushing in?
I'm trying to unswer this questions, maybe this will solve the puzzle.
If you have info about this ... It would be great.
all the best
Quoting: Lastone 445744
Questions....... WE all have so many questions don't we?
Bedini......Well he felt he was exploiting an effect in the way he was charging batteries..... heavier electrolyte charges versus lighter electron charges. I played with that a little, but I must admit I was not patient enough.
I got the original impression with Meyers that he was step charging the cell, but even tap water will conduct current as soon as there is any potential. Which is why I am toying with the idea of a spark gap in series with the cell. It seems necessary to apply potential instantaniously to perform the work and not allow the dissipation of energy from current flow to occur.
The pulses he shows step up the voltage with every pulse reaching what I suppose is a break down of something at which time current begins to flow..... But with my interpretation it is at that point that you want to inhibit current flow or at least minimize it.
I would like to thank every one who has made comments or supplied links..... because it keeps me wanting to discover what he knew. I can't say I know yet, but if we can all keep encouraging each other maybe one of us will have the ultimate epiphany and find the answer.
I must admit though that even though these efforts are fraught with disappointment I am encouraged...... mainly because I LOVE anything with electrons flowing through it.
Later Dudes.
Like wise on all the best.... Keep on truckin. One Truth.... many realities
Anonymous Coward User ID: 445831 6/4/2008 5:37 PM
Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
The Secret = small pvc chamber under vacuum with hydrogen gas in it powered by neon transformer = plasma state electron cascade hydrogen transformation
The secret behind this technology is this..
VACUUM
pull a vacuum on cell (15 to 20)
send gas into your Secret Chamber (under vacuum as well)
send exiting gas to your engine.
H2 to H1
Interesting thought...... I have a 20 KV PS I built with a neon sign transformer.
But first the way the patent shows...... I have finished building the VIC...... loaded with a 470KOhm resistor in parallel with a 2.5KV 4.0uf cap. I can achieve approximately 400V. This is being driven with 12 volts and is functional well about 20Khz switching. I'm only driving it with about a 20% duty cycle at the moment though and it is pulling less that 200ma.
Now it is time to start building the cell..... I will probably build a small test cell first though. Just to see what happens.
At first I would settle for any reasonable gas output with distilled water.
Slowly but surely.
Quoting: scimitar
back again
I would like you to think with me for or a moment.. For what importance is there in distilled water? I do understand that with tap and other "waters" you will have a build up of "junk" IN your cell but just so you dont miss my point....
what happens when you put water under a vacuum?
what is the output? Does it matter what "waters" you use?
can the output be used????
these questions above will help you discover more than building a cell to strictly crack distilled water.
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