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Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453425
 United States
6/17/2008 9:59 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Great thread here. After reading every post, I built a couple test HHO generators with pleasent results.
I'm now looking to attach an HHO generator and bubbler to my '87 Nissan Hardbody truck 4cyl, it's fuel injection with California emissions stuff. I'm looking for suggestions for a location to attach input of gas. Should I just put in before air filter on the intake?
Any suggestions appreciated. |
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scimitar
User ID: 20949
United States
6/17/2008 11:33 AM
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Glad to see people are still posting here.
First I have a comment. The voltage intensifier chokes in the Meyers VIC are shown to be wound bifilar with opposing current flow. This is in conflict to the description he makes about their purpose. As he stated they will oppose current flow into the cell when a voltage pulse is applied.......
well the only way an inductor can initially oppose a change in current flow is by virtue of the magnetic field inducing a back EMF to cancel the applied voltage. Since the coils are connected in such a way that the current flows in the opposite direction in each choke they will cancel the induced magnetic field which result in no back EMF and therefore no reduction in immediate current flow.
I have not yet tried to reverse the wiring so that the currents aid each other. I will attempt that this evening and provide my results here.
Secondly, I really scared the @#%$!*& out of myself this morning. I was playing with my HV supply trying to add potential to the cell in an isolated manner to see if perhaps a strong external voltage potential might help. As I turned the voltage up, probably to about 20 to 25KV, (previously I have generally only used it to about 2 KV), A repetative half inch arc shot off one of the rectifiers into the wooden base it was mounted on over to one of the neon sign transformer output connector plugs. It was very loud and cut a half inch long by 1/32nd wide hole in the board. Good thing I didn't have to go to the toilet at the time cause it would have been in my pants. It would have made a great movie to see my reaction as I tried to get the damn thing turned off. Gotta build a plexiglass base for the thing.
Anyway more later.
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bill vails
User ID: 451577
United States
6/17/2008 4:02 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
you are now working on the same step that i am. but i have a question about it are you useing the same gage wire as stan if not could you tell me what gage wire you are useing thank you bill |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453617
United States
6/17/2008 4:13 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Been to 2 different Home Depots and they are both out of SS cover plates... lol
Seems word is getting out!! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453503
United States
6/17/2008 4:14 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Great thread here. After reading every post, I built a couple test HHO generators with pleasent results.
I'm now looking to attach an HHO generator and bubbler to my '87 Nissan Hardbody truck 4cyl, it's fuel injection with California emissions stuff. I'm looking for suggestions for a location to attach input of gas. Should I just put in before air filter on the intake?
Any suggestions appreciated. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453425
As close to the intake manifold as possible is best. |
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bill vails
User ID: 451577
United States
6/17/2008 4:17 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
ps. i shoud tell you that i am useing 20 awg wire on the primary coil and 38 awg on the secondary coil pickup and for the bifilar coils i am useing 5 wraps on the primary and 15 on the secondary and 15 on the other two coils i see on youtube that people apear to useing bigger wire to hook up to the cell what's you view on this thanks bill |
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Lastone
User ID: 453765
 Portugal
6/17/2008 9:16 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Glad to see people are still posting here.
First I have a comment. The voltage intensifier chokes in the Meyers VIC are shown to be wound bifilar with opposing current flow. This is in conflict to the description he makes about their purpose. As he stated they will oppose current flow into the cell when a voltage pulse is applied.......
well the only way an inductor can initially oppose a change in current flow is by virtue of the magnetic field inducing a back EMF to cancel the applied voltage. Since the coils are connected in such a way that the current flows in the opposite direction in each choke they will cancel the induced magnetic field which result in no back EMF and therefore no reduction in immediate current flow.
I have not yet tried to reverse the wiring so that the currents aid each other. I will attempt that this evening and provide my results here.
Secondly, I really scared the @#%$!*& out of myself this morning. I was playing with my HV supply trying to add potential to the cell in an isolated manner to see if perhaps a strong external voltage potential might help. As I turned the voltage up, probably to about 20 to 25KV, (previously I have generally only used it to about 2 KV), A repetative half inch arc shot off one of the rectifiers into the wooden base it was mounted on over to one of the neon sign transformer output connector plugs. It was very loud and cut a half inch long by 1/32nd wide hole in the board. Good thing I didn't have to go to the toilet at the time cause it would have been in my pants. It would have made a great movie to see my reaction as I tried to get the damn thing turned off. Gotta build a plexiglass base for the thing.
Anyway more later. Quoting: scimitar
Hello Scimitar !!
What circuit are you using to pulse the cell?
What's your HV power suplly ?
What results did you have using a Higher voltage in to the cell?
All these questions because I'm doing a big big step in a new field to me, and I do not want to blow up my aparment (lol).
I'm using a lawton cicuit, that I made, two 555 timers in series, the first pulsing a square wave and the secound a variable wave on top of the square wave.
[link to www.freeinfosociety.com]
I'm now sending the wave to a npn transistor and from the transistor to a ignition coil (stepup transformer). I have a spark gap after the ignition coil. What I'm going to do now is to connect a mini tesla coil (charging choke) and after the tesla the cell.
I do think that the charging choke that he was always talking about is a mini tesla coil. Pulsing a Unipolar coil and collecting the back emf into the cell. Pulsing only back emf in to the cell would prevent the amps and the temperature rise in it.
[link to www.hbci.com]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Do you think it will blow up ? LOL
I will be pulsing 6.000, or more, volts in to the cell
I think that I will have almost no amps going in ... pure voltage potencial. Will it blow up?
The problem is that the lawton circuit, the transistor, is getting the back emf from the ignition coil and is very very hot. As I adjust the frequency of the secound 555 the resonant rise of the igniton coil and the lawton circuit is sending so much back emf, I think 2 or 3 more times the energy that I'm sending in to the ignition coil. I can feel it at a distance.What can I do to prevent that?
I'm also thinking about collecting that back emf from the resonant rise of the circuit to rechage a secound battery and by doing this i will have a non stoping circuit ... is this possible?... using blocking diodes and a capacitator maybe?
Maybe a bedini circuit?
I have a big heat sink, diodes etc... but nothing can stop the back emf from going in to the ciruit.
I'm trying hard but I have no electrical backgrownd.How can I redirect that back emf ... and, who knows, use it.
Can you help me ?
[link to www.fnrf.science.cmu.ac.th]
"Module 2 – Static spark gap and safety gap. This is the power switch to transfer the capacitor energy into the primary coil (inductor). The safety gap is used to protect the NST (Main Power) and the primary capacitor from over voltage due to resonant rise from the primary circuit. Resonant rise can produce up to 3 times the voltage of the NST output. It should be adjusted with the primary cap and inductor disconnected from the circuit and the spacing set so that it just stops an arc from forming. "
Sorry... to many question I know ..no backgrownd, but it can be an advantage... because I know no laws ...and that meens new ideas.
If anyone knows how to solve the problem please help me on this one !!
Thank you. |
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scimitar
User ID: 453961
United States
6/18/2008 7:55 AM
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ps. i shoud tell you that i am useing 20 awg wire on the primary coil and 38 awg on the secondary coil pickup and for the bifilar coils i am useing 5 wraps on the primary and 15 on the secondary and 15 on the other two coils i see on youtube that people apear to useing bigger wire to hook up to the cell what's you view on this thanks bill Quoting: bill vails 451577
Bill
I don't think the gauge of wire will matter too much. If you can hit resonance then the current will be greatly reduced so the current won't be an issue for the wire size. I would only recommend using 32 gauge or larger. I'm using #24 wire for the step-up primary and #32 for the secondary. Purely out ease of winding I'm also using #24 for the Chokes.
Here is the key I have found....... the bifilar chokes are in my opinion shown wired incorrectly for the explained purpose, I don't know why perhaps it was a misdirection.
If you consider one of the chokes to be coil A and the other coil B. Then one end being #1 and the other end being #2. the output of the step-up should be wired from A1 to B2 and the cell should be wired from A2 to B1. This will allow resonsnce to occur. In Meyers circuit diagrams it shows the step-up wired to A1 and B1 and the cell wired from A2 to B2. This will have the effect of cancelling any magnetic field which will defeat the purpose for its use. IMHO.
Good Luck
I have to rewind my chokes because they currently resonate at 2.67MHZ, which is beyond the capability of my driver circuit.
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scimitar
User ID: 453961
United States
6/18/2008 8:11 AM
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Hello Scimitar !!
What circuit are you using to pulse the cell?
What's your HV power suplly ?
What results did you have using a Higher voltage in to the cell?
All these questions because I'm doing a big big step in a new field to me, and I do not want to blow up my aparment (lol).
I'm using a lawton cicuit, that I made, two 555 timers in series, the first pulsing a square wave and the secound a variable wave on top of the square wave.
[link to www.freeinfosociety.com]
I'm now sending the wave to a npn transistor and from the transistor to a ignition coil (stepup transformer). I have a spark gap after the ignition coil. What I'm going to do now is to connect a mini tesla coil (charging choke) and after the tesla the cell.
I do think that the charging choke that he was always talking about is a mini tesla coil. Pulsing a Unipolar coil and collecting the back emf into the cell. Pulsing only back emf in to the cell would prevent the amps and the temperature rise in it.
[link to www.hbci.com]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Do you think it will blow up ? LOL
I will be pulsing 6.000, or more, volts in to the cell
I think that I will have almost no amps going in ... pure voltage potencial. Will it blow up?
The problem is that the lawton circuit, the transistor, is getting the back emf from the ignition coil and is very very hot. As I adjust the frequency of the secound 555 the resonant rise of the igniton coil and the lawton circuit is sending so much back emf, I think 2 or 3 more times the energy that I'm sending in to the ignition coil. I can feel it at a distance.What can I do to prevent that?
I'm also thinking about collecting that back emf from the resonant rise of the circuit to rechage a secound battery and by doing this i will have a non stoping circuit ... is this possible?... using blocking diodes and a capacitator maybe?
Maybe a bedini circuit?
I have a big heat sink, diodes etc... but nothing can stop the back emf from going in to the ciruit.
I'm trying hard but I have no electrical backgrownd.How can I redirect that back emf ... and, who knows, use it.
Can you help me ?
[link to www.fnrf.science.cmu.ac.th]
"Module 2 – Static spark gap and safety gap. This is the power switch to transfer the capacitor energy into the primary coil (inductor). The safety gap is used to protect the NST (Main Power) and the primary capacitor from over voltage due to resonant rise from the primary circuit. Resonant rise can produce up to 3 times the voltage of the NST output. It should be adjusted with the primary cap and inductor disconnected from the circuit and the spacing set so that it just stops an arc from forming. "
Sorry... to many question I know ..no backgrownd, but it can be an advantage... because I know no laws ...and that meens new ideas.
If anyone knows how to solve the problem please help me on this one !!
Thank you.
Hello again,
First of all read my post above to Bill. I would recommend not using a square wave to drive the the step-up transformer....... use a lower duty cycle 10 to 25 %, this will reduce the current load on the transistor. I don't know what kind of test equipment you have. I'm assuming you can measure frequency and duty cycle of the pulses.
Most importantly the first order of business is to find the resonant point of the Chokes....... wiring them the way I explained to Bill, If you wire them the way the Meyers schematics show it will not work.
As far as using a Tesla type Choke to drive the cell does not make sense to me, It's really just a huge step-up transformer made for very high output voltages.
If the circuit that drives that type of coil is not designed very well, either it will not work at all or it will burn out. Besides, as I can attest working with very high voltages...... If you are not used to it can be dangerous.
One Truth.... many realities |
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scimitar
User ID: 453961
United States
6/18/2008 8:14 AM
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I will rewind my Bifilar chokes this evening and report back later.
Gotta go to work now.......Bye
One Truth.... many realities |
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Bean There
User ID: 443838
United States
6/18/2008 11:19 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
OK,
For hydrogen embrittlement and other corrosion problems look into a product called XADO.
“Xado technology is based on a synthesized blend of minerals coupled with a catalyst. When Xado is introduced into a mechanical system it coats the friction pairs with a blend of ceramic mixed with worn metal it has scavenged from the system (cermet). This coating grows in the presence of friction. When the friction has been reduced enough, the growth stops. This results in a 'custom' fit between the moving parts of a system. “ |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 454196
United States
6/18/2008 4:40 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
OK,
For hydrogen embrittlement and other corrosion problems look into a product called XADO.
“Xado technology is based on a synthesized blend of minerals coupled with a catalyst. When Xado is introduced into a mechanical system it coats the friction pairs with a blend of ceramic mixed with worn metal it has scavenged from the system (cermet). This coating grows in the presence of friction. When the friction has been reduced enough, the growth stops. This results in a 'custom' fit between the moving parts of a system. “ Quoting: Bean There 443838
"Growing" better compression? hmm... |
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Bean There
User ID: 443838
United States
6/18/2008 8:40 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Just search it. Read it. It should make sense. |
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scimitar
User ID: 23006
United States
6/19/2008 12:22 PM
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Well....... After winding another bifilar choke set last night and not getting what I expected, I........
Decided to use my brain for a minute.
Meyers claims the the intensifier chokes would allow voltage pulses as high as 20KV to be applied to the cell. Well, It is not possible for that to happen with a bifilar wound coil..... the insulation on the magnet wire will give up long before that. So I'm throwing the white flag down "BS".
Also as I posted earlier, the wiring configuration shown in all the drawings is absolutely incorrect. Current flow through the individual coils must create additive magnetic fields not cancelling ones.
secondly, he speaks of resonance which will reduce the current draw to minimum. That's all well and good, but maximum impedance occurs at resonance with a parallel LC. If I wind the chokes in a bifilar configuration the interwinding capacitance will effectively give me a series LC..... meaning at resonance I will have minimum impedance and maximum current draw, which is exactly what I was seeing.
Also any current suppression that will occur on the chokes won't last long so it is very important to have very fast rise times on the applied pulse potential. Meaning the transistor that drives the step-up transformer must have very fast switching times..... Both on and off.
So all these people that have been interpreting Meyers work as though they have it figured out.... well if they do they are bullshittin everyone else.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 454758
United States
6/19/2008 3:27 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I'm curious about what cell design you are using for the tube resonance. Is it yours? Or are you replicating a design that already existed. Any reply, i feel, will help benefit both of us because I have extensive info on water fuel cells, but do not have that practical knowledge you have. |
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scimitar
User ID: 453961
United States
6/19/2008 6:54 PM
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My first attempt at a cell was merely a bifilar wound set of coils of stainless steel wire. I realize to properly replicate Meyers idea I must construct something similar. Until I have a better feel or see the evidence the next cell will be tubes wound on a PVC core with tightly packed SS wire. I am unwilling to invest the money for the set of SS tubes for the implementation at this time.
I've tried to understand, from a technical standpoint, Meyers explaination of the drive electronics. The most common representation of his design will not do what he says. I will continue to pursue a clarity of understanding. It is imperative to me to find out one way or another.
As long as people stay curious it will help keep my mind thinking about it. It is my intent, should I find the answers, to provide everyone here everything I learn.
One Truth.... many realities |
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scimitar
User ID: 453961
United States
6/21/2008 3:29 PM
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Stay curious people!
I am picking up details every day. It may require another couple of months, but if it's possible I'll find the answer.
I'm picking up steam and it's time to bring out the heavy artillery. Full design mode from the ground up.
I'm tired of being impatient and giving up because it takes too much time and it's not easy.
I know everyone here wants an easy solution, but I've always said " Nothing is ever easy".
This is the last you will hear from me until I have answers.
Take care all.
One Truth.... many realities |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 447201
United States
6/21/2008 3:41 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
i believe meyer was legit, however he was somewhat paranoid and a good right to be, but he intentionally left out information or gave some wrong specs to keep a hold on it... |
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Lastone
User ID: 456309
Portugal
6/22/2008 1:46 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 456559
United States
6/22/2008 11:25 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Stay curious people!
I am picking up details every day. It may require another couple of months, but if it's possible I'll find the answer.
I'm picking up steam and it's time to bring out the heavy artillery. Full design mode from the ground up.
I'm tired of being impatient and giving up because it takes too much time and it's not easy.
I know everyone here wants an easy solution, but I've always said " Nothing is ever easy".
This is the last you will hear from me until I have answers.
Take care all. Quoting: scimitar
I shall be taking my leave of this website as well. After reading a few things after i searched google for "godlikeproductions"... |
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bill vails
User ID: 451577
United States
6/24/2008 2:52 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
scimitar i thinlk i have some good infomation for you about the chokes hooking up to the fuel cell i just got back from a 5 day trip no computer axcess. and it's late herejust got home thought i'd check and see how you was doing i will log back on the 24th and try ro give you the info. i have bill serching for the ? |
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scimitar
User ID: 15504
United States
6/24/2008 10:34 AM
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scimitar i thinlk i have some good infomation for you about the chokes hooking up to the fuel cell i just got back from a 5 day trip no computer axcess. and it's late herejust got home thought i'd check and see how you was doing i will log back on the 24th and try ro give you the info. i have bill serching for the ? Quoting: bill vails 451577
Thanks!.....
Have a few revelations myself, but would be great to compare ideas.
1) choke coils cannot be wound together as a bifilar pair, insulation breakdown would occur long before the voltages Meyers talks about being supplied to the WFC.
2) Chokes must be wound on the same core for mutual coupling.
3) Coils must be connected so that their repective magnetic fields add..... NOT cancel. All the schematic representations I've seen show them wired to cancel their magnetic fields, there by negating the induction qualitites.
I would like to know what you found.
Later Dude
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bill vails
User ID: 451577
United States
6/24/2008 7:20 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
SCIMITAR hay don't say your leaving this web sight your the only one that is exchangeing ideas with me. ok less go first i need to know if you have tuned and insulated your tubes if you are useing tubes. if you haven't tell me and i can tell you how to do this. this is 1 of the key things that need to be done. ok less talk about the promary coil it is not a torid as people are led to belive by the drawings and some things stan said. I quote this from stan's memo wfc 425 page 6.3 where he talks about the coils. the primary coil wire is logitudinal warped in space relationship on top of and layered bidirectional. this tells me that stan did a lot of misdriction in his patton. the primary coil need to be wraped on a ferrit rod. Check out a web sight www.jim-gibson.com they sell alagator clip real cheap there are used to wind the primary coil.there is another way to build the cell with out useing tubes. the annomus writer said that you can't run a v6 or v8 on this system will i news for him you can. ok on to the biflir coils i will try to expaine this as best i can less say the top coil a and the two wires comeing from it are a-and a+ now the bottom coil is coil b the two wires are b- b+ you have 8 tube in your cell i will number each tube. the outer tubes 1 and 2 you hookup a+ to them tubes 3 and 4 are hooked up t b+ the inner tubes of 1 and 2 are hooked upto b-and a- are hooked up to the inner tubes of 3 and 4. if you look on youtube at stans cell and revi's cell you will see that they have a lot of wires going under the cell this tells me that each tube is wired seperly. this way you are crossing the power from 1 coil to the other in thw cell hope i have helped you bill serching for the ? |
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bill vails
User ID: 451577
United States
6/24/2008 9:22 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
SCIMITAR FORGOT TO ASK YOU WHAT ARE YOU USEING IN THE BIFILAR CHOCKS INSIDE THE COILS A SOILD IRON CORE OR SOFT STEEL WELDING RODS? MAKES A DIFFREANCE IN THE MAGNETIC FEILD BILL SERCHING FOR THE ? |
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scimitar
User ID: 453961
United States
6/25/2008 7:35 AM
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Sorry Bill.......But you completely lost me on what you were trying to say about hooking up the tubes.
Also the core material on the choke windings must be a ferrite, Iron will not change its magnetic domains fast enough to keep up with such high frequency pulses.
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bill vails
User ID: 451577
United States
6/25/2008 1:13 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
SCIMITAR.................ON THE FERRIT ROD YOU CAN GOOGLE IT AND YOU WILL FIND A WEB SIGHT FOR MONSTER FERRIT RODSK NON MAGNETIC. OK LET ME TRY THE CELL HOOKUP AGIAN SORRY ABOUT POOR EXPLAINING THE FIRST TIME.I WILL USE STAN'S FIGURE 1.1 VOLTAGE INTENIFIER CURCUIT. IN THE PICTURE WE HAVE THE TWO CHARGING CHOKE COILS. ONE ON TOP AND 1 ON THE BOTTOM OK THE TOP CHOKE I WILL CALL A THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM B. NOW LESS GO TO THE CELL. LESS SAY THAT YOU ARE UESING 4 TUBES IN THE CELL THE 1 INCH TUBES ARE NUMBERED 1,2,3,4 THE SMALLER 3/4 TUBES ARE NUMBERED 5,6,7,8, TUBES 5,6 ARE INSIDE TUBES 1,2 THEN TUBES 3,4 HAVE TUBES 7,8 INSIDE THEM. ON THE TOP COIL A WE HAVE TWO WIRES COMEING FROM IT 1 WILL BE CALLED A NEG THE OTHER A POS. OK WE TAKE THE A POS AND HOOK IT UP TO TUBES 1 AND 2 THEN TAKE A NEG AND HOOK IT UP TO TUBES 7 AND 8. NOW TO THE BOTTOM COIL B THIS TIME WE AGIAN HAVE TWO WIRES COMEING FRON IT 1 WIRE IS B NEG AND THE OTHER IS B POS YOU HOOK UP THE TO TUBES 3,4 WHICH ARE THE ONE INCE TUBES THEN YOU HOOK UP B NEG TO TUBES 7,8 BASICLY YOU ARE CROSSING THE GROUND WIRES FROM A TO B INSIDE THE FUEL CELL THIS WAY THIS WAY THE VOLTAGE IS CROSED OVER TO THE OTHER COIL. IF YOU DRAW IT OUT AS I EXPLAINED IT MIGHT HELP TO UNDERSTAND IT. {ALSO YOU DIDN'T SAY IF YOU HAD TUNED THE TUBES AND INSULATED THEM}................. HOPE I DID THIS RIGHT THIS TIME SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT I HAVE A HARD TIME EXPAINING THINGS IN WORDS SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAN THEM .......... BILL.......SURCHING FOR THE ? |
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scimitar
User ID: 453961
United States
6/26/2008 7:16 AM
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SCIMITAR.................ON THE FERRIT ROD YOU CAN GOOGLE IT AND YOU WILL FIND A WEB SIGHT FOR MONSTER FERRIT RODSK NON MAGNETIC. OK LET ME TRY THE CELL HOOKUP AGIAN SORRY ABOUT POOR EXPLAINING THE FIRST TIME.I WILL USE STAN'S FIGURE 1.1 VOLTAGE INTENIFIER CURCUIT. IN THE PICTURE WE HAVE THE TWO CHARGING CHOKE COILS. ONE ON TOP AND 1 ON THE BOTTOM OK THE TOP CHOKE I WILL CALL A THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM B. NOW LESS GO TO THE CELL. LESS SAY THAT YOU ARE UESING 4 TUBES IN THE CELL THE 1 INCH TUBES ARE NUMBERED 1,2,3,4 THE SMALLER 3/4 TUBES ARE NUMBERED 5,6,7,8, TUBES 5,6 ARE INSIDE TUBES 1,2 THEN TUBES 3,4 HAVE TUBES 7,8 INSIDE THEM. ON THE TOP COIL A WE HAVE TWO WIRES COMEING FROM IT 1 WILL BE CALLED A NEG THE OTHER A POS. OK WE TAKE THE A POS AND HOOK IT UP TO TUBES 1 AND 2 THEN TAKE A NEG AND HOOK IT UP TO TUBES 7 AND 8. NOW TO THE BOTTOM COIL B THIS TIME WE AGIAN HAVE TWO WIRES COMEING FRON IT 1 WIRE IS B NEG AND THE OTHER IS B POS YOU HOOK UP THE TO TUBES 3,4 WHICH ARE THE ONE INCE TUBES THEN YOU HOOK UP B NEG TO TUBES 7,8 BASICLY YOU ARE CROSSING THE GROUND WIRES FROM A TO B INSIDE THE FUEL CELL THIS WAY THIS WAY THE VOLTAGE IS CROSED OVER TO THE OTHER COIL. IF YOU DRAW IT OUT AS I EXPLAINED IT MIGHT HELP TO UNDERSTAND IT. {ALSO YOU DIDN'T SAY IF YOU HAD TUNED THE TUBES AND INSULATED THEM}................. HOPE I DID THIS RIGHT THIS TIME SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT I HAVE A HARD TIME EXPAINING THINGS IN WORDS SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAN THEM .......... BILL.......SURCHING FOR THE ? Quoting: bill vails 451577
From your explaination I can only assume you are describing the use of two pairs of choke coils not just one..... otherwise it still makes no sense to me, Yes even if I draw it out.
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bill vails
User ID: 451577
United States
6/26/2008 12:25 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
SCIMITAR...................SORRY I COULDN'T EXPLAIN IT BETTER. SO I WILL JUST ASK IF YOU HAVE TUNE THE TUBES AND INSULATED THEM? .......BILL SEARCHING FOR THE ....? |
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scimitar
User ID: 453961
United States
6/27/2008 8:08 AM
| | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Bill,
At this moment I do not have any WFC tubes.
I intend shortly to fabricate a set by using SS wire wound in a tight coil to form them. To form the concentric design I will apply a length of nylon spacer material down the length on several sides of the inner coil upon which to wind the outer coil. I will freely admit I have a ways to go. I thought it important to first understand the true concept behind the drive electronics, but I suppose that will remain hidden for awhile longer yet.
Whether I will be able to get it to work in the intended fashion is yet to be seen, but at the moment I have an almost complete picture in my mind of a complete system.
failure and perseverance is the price of eventual success. Just wish I had enough time to be able to devote somewhat full time to this endevour.
One Truth.... many realities |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 462466
United States
7/3/2008 3:30 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I assembled a HHO generator, wired it up and installed it in my truck. I only got about a 5% bump in the first 100 miles. This truck has EFI so I will have to see if the o2 sensor is counter-acting the HHO. I will update. |
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