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Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
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Galkaen
User ID: 462908
7/4/2008 11:24 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Hi Bill
I've been experimenting with 4" ss tubes but i didn't knew they needed to be tuned. How can I achieve this. Thanks for the contributions.
Also THANK YOU SCIMITAR. Never Quit! Were almost there! |
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scimitar 
I Just wanna know
User ID: 453961
7/4/2008 12:14 PM
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Hi Bill
I've been experimenting with 4" ss tubes but i didn't knew they needed to be tuned. How can I achieve this. Thanks for the contributions.
Also THANK YOU SCIMITAR. Never Quit! Were almost there! Quoting: Galkaen 462908
Glad to see posting again......
I have read in numerous places that describe preparation of the tubes by energizing them repeatedly for short periods of time to allow a calcium carbonate to form a coating on the surface before a reasonable gas output can be expected. This in fact would decrease the resistive leakage of the cell allowing it to charge to higher potentials. This will have to be seen by practice.
As far as tuning.....I can only imagine that would be in reference to the entire circuit resonance. I have concluded that not only must electrical resonance attained, but a different order of resonance concerning the actual water molecules. That will be for learning as well.
I also believe that many of the statements concerning the resonant chokes are incorrect. First of all if you wind them in a bifilar arrangement you will never attain some of the voltages mentioned without a breakdown of the insulation. Secondly, if they are wound to be inductively coupled and are wired like many show them to be there will be no inductive EMF produced because the magnetic fields will cancel themselves out.
I am continuing to build the cell..... I chose to use what I had first, so I am creating the concentric tubes by winding them from SS wire. I have just completed winding the inner tube.... it's 18" long. I will say that if I get positive results when I start testing I will only use SS tubes and never wire again...... A real pain to wind.
Another comment, given that the secondary of the step-up transformer is in fact part of the resonant circuit its inductance must also be taken into consideration.
I should be able to begin some testing next week. I will post pictures then as well.
Till Later
One Truth.... many realities |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 462906
7/4/2008 12:32 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Sorry Bill.......But you completely lost me on what you were trying to say about hooking up the tubes.
Also the core material on the choke windings must be a ferrite, Iron will not change its magnetic domains fast enough to keep up with such high frequency pulses. Quoting: scimitar
In winding coils for stereo stuff, the ferrite or iron core chokes are made that way to save money. The downside is that they become "saturated". Good stereo avoids the iron core chokes.
just sayin. use it if you can. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 463553
7/5/2008 7:17 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Water 4 Fuel appears to be a scam. People on the forums already agree upon that.
Now, a website exposes the scammer and makes a reward offer.
Who is Ozzie Freedom? [link to aardvark.co.nz]
Reward: [link to aardvark.co.nz]
Selected extract; go to the link for full information.
The car will be tuned, checked and prepared by an authorized dealer for the make and model concerned and driven for a month in typical freeway and around-town conditions. The fuel consumption and distance covered will be used to calculate a base-line "real-world" mpg figure.
It will also be submitted to an independent university for testing and establishing a base-line laboratory fuel-consumption figure.
It will then be fitted with the HHO system and re-tested by the university.
For a six month period, it will be driven on the highway and around town, with careful track kept of the distance covered and the gasoline used to fill its tank.
At one month intervals it will be re-tested by the university to provide a spot-comparison with the baseline figures.
At the end of six months, the total mileage and fuel consumed will be calculated to provide a "real world" fuel-efficiency figure.
If either the lab figures or the real-world figures show a 25% or more improvement in fuel efficiency for the six month period after the fitting of the HHO system, the engine will be torn down and examined for any damage that could be produced by an excessively lean-burn.
Any system that fails emissions tests as a result of the addition of the HHO system will be disqualified from the challenge.
If it is given a clean bill of health, the $1 million will be paid.
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scimitar
I Just wanna know
User ID: 453961
7/6/2008 11:45 AM
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I finished winding the cell....... what a lot of work, never wind the tubes from SS wire. Anyway turned out pretty good. About 1.5mm spacing between electrodes. Just waiting for epoxy to cure. I will be doing a preliminary test in the morning to check for leaks and to attempt to measure the cells capacitance. I will post pictures then.
I have decided on non-coupled tunable chokes wound on 1" wooden dowel rods. I will use dremel tool commutator brushes on a slider bar to tune the inductance of the resonator chokes. Not sure how much I will need to tune it , but I want the most flexibility as possible.
One Truth.... many realities |
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Prof_Rabbit
User ID: 148352
7/6/2008 12:36 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Water 4 Fuel appears to be a scam. People on the forums already agree upon that.
Now, a website exposes the scammer and makes a reward offer.
Who is Ozzie Freedom? [ link to aardvark.co.nz]
Reward: [ link to aardvark.co.nz]
* There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom.
o Robert Millikan, American physicist and Nobel Prize winner, 1923.
* There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will.
o Albert Einstein, 1932.
* The energy produced by the breaking down of the atom is a very poor kind of thing. Anyone who expects a source of power from the transformation of these atoms is talking moonshine.
o Ernest Rutherford, shortly after splitting the atom for the first time.
* Atomic energy might be as good as our present-day explosives, but it is unlikely to produce anything very much more dangerous.
o Winston Churchill, First Lord of the Admiralty, then soon-to-be British Prime Minister, 1939.
* That is the biggest fool thing we have ever done [research on]... The bomb will never go off, and I speak as an expert in explosives.
o Admiral William Leahy, U.S. Admiral working in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project, advising President Truman on atomic weaponry, 1944.
* The basic questions of design, material and shielding, in combining a nuclear reactor with a home boiler and cooling unit, no longer are problems... The system would heat and cool a home, provide unlimited household hot water, and melt the snow from sidewalks and driveways. All that could be done for six years on a single charge of fissionable material costing about $300.
o Robert Ferry, executive of the U.S. Institute of Boiler and Radiator Manufacturers, 1955.
* Nuclear-powered vacuum cleaners will probably be a reality in 10 years.
o Alex Lewyt, president of vacuum cleaner company Lewyt Corp., in the New York Times in 1955.
"Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of your mind" |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 441481
7/7/2008 11:40 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Another experimenter; this one has an old Lincoln Town Car with a big V-8 engine.
His booster is too small, but he continues experiments.
[link to flapdoodledinghy.com]
Seems pretty forthright and honest. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 441481
7/8/2008 12:13 AM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 349948
7/8/2008 10:31 AM | |
bill vails
User ID: 451577
7/9/2008 9:29 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
tuneing of the tubes is fairlly simple. first look on youtube at stan meyer's fuel cell and you will see that he has knotched the 1 inch tube this is to make boyh tubes resonate at the same frequance. also if you look at ravis rep of meyers you will see he has drilled holes in his 1 inch tubes. agian to resonate at the same frequance. to do this take a string and tape and tape it to the tube and then hang it by the string tap it with another peice of metal lighly then hang the 1 inch tube the same way and agian tap it lightly you will hear a differant tone from each tube. you then start to drill or notch the 1 inch tube untill it has the same tone as the .75 tube now your tube are resonateing at the same frequance this help to seperate the hydo from the water as meyer's decribes in his patten. also you will need to insulate the two tubes the .75 tube on the inside and on the outside of the 1 inch tube it is coated with the same stuff that bifliar wires is insulated with can think of the name.hope this is of some help bill |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 422489
7/10/2008 12:16 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Bump to research and find later... Thanks |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 465885
7/10/2008 12:55 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I added noah instead of baking soda to my distilled water. It was making lots of bubbles, but then started making foam, like frothy stuff getting into bubbler. I shut it down at that point. Will test more later. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 466109
7/10/2008 9:45 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Cutting The Gordian Knot of the Great Energy Bind by Andrija Puharich
[link to www.rexresearch.com]
Dr Andrija Puharich reportedly drove his motor home for hundreds of thousands of miles around North America in the 1970s using only water as fuel. At a mountain pass in Mexico, he collected snow for water. Here is the only article he wrote on the subject, plus his patent. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 467902
7/14/2008 9:37 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
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Tom
User ID: 468250
7/14/2008 9:10 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I tried the water4gas unit and it burned out my electrical system on a Toyota Previa. You need to be careful with the amperage. If it goes over 20 amps, problems start.
Right now I'm actually using an atomizer that mixes a gas drip with the PCV gases into the intake manifold. My mileage has increased by about 20%. Others report better gains. You definitely feel the "tail-wind" effect with the increased power.
I've actually become a distributor for it. I think it has potential as gas prices spike.
Here's the website: [ link to www.agsint.com]
Hi My name is Tom...I also have a 1992 Toyota Privia and have built a HhO generator that is using only 10 amps...I havent got to the part where you are suposed to fool the [MAF] sensor to acheive higest gas milage.. Did you get to that part yet with your Privia? [Did you use an EFIE?] The Privia only has a [MAF]sensor... Did you use a ..MAF sensor enhancer? What was your plan on dealing with Privias computer?... Thanks..Tom .....[Armadilloh625@yahoo.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 468781
7/15/2008 5:45 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
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bill vails
User ID: 451577
7/17/2008 4:27 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
can anyone tell me a good sorseof feerite rods |
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scimitar
I Just wanna know
User ID: 453961
7/19/2008 5:53 PM
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Well......
I'm back from a wonderful week of vacation in the FL Keys...... so I can get cranked back up here soon.
Later dudes
One Truth.... many realities |
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Queen
User ID: 422489
7/20/2008 10:44 PM
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Bump for a full read.
This post has some wonderful information, thanks for all those that contributed, those that just cannot comprehend this, I just hope you overcome your fear of this unknown future. Life is changing and it looks like it won't be so enslaving, we'll see.
It is time to awaken to your real purpose. It is all up to you. |
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scimitar
I Just wanna know
User ID: 453961
7/25/2008 10:42 AM
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Still working away...... Takes awhile to get everything together, but I'm still progressing.
I decided to design an entire system with circulated filtered water, with a plenum to force water through the cell. It will include a vacuum collection vessel to easily extract the bubbles from the water stream. Also with a collection container that will facilitate precision measurement of the gas production. Then there is the electronics to drive it.
I have to keep telling myself that patience is a virtue.
He are some of the first pictures I took...... I'm considerably farther along that this, but haven't uploaded the pictures yet.
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Will post more at a later date
Keep On Truckin..... Uh personally I'm not a truck man, but it sounds good.
Later Dudes and Dudettes
One Truth.... many realities |
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Prof_Rabbit
User ID: 148352
7/25/2008 10:53 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
May I suggest for those who want a simple trial method for their electrodes, rather than plates, use stainless steel kitchen scrubbers, they are light, have many times the surface area and cheap. You will need to replace them a little more often but for a few cents who cares?
"Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of your mind" |
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scimitar
I Just wanna know
User ID: 453961
7/25/2008 10:59 AM
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Interesting idea....... Unfortunately I am plagued by my own imagination that won't let me do it the easy way....... Oh well, Such is life. Anyway...... I'm convinced that Stanley Meyer (and it seems now that about the same time, late 70's, someone else had an almost identical idea....... coincedence?) had the right Idea.
One Truth.... many realities |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488438
8/20/2008 10:18 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Files related to using water as fuel.
Total: 24
Some are quite large: [ link to www.hotlinkfiles.com]
Xogen.zip 20 MB
Andrija_Puharich.pdf 1 MB
H2_FUEL.pdf 1 MB
RAVI_WATER_FUEL_CELL_Sep_07.zip 14 MB
DAVE_WATER_FUEL_CELL_2004.zip 9 MB
THE_TESLA_SWITCH_9_SEP_07.zip 15 MB
WFC_Documents_Patrick_Kelly.zip 5 MB
Plasma_Electrolysis.pdf 655 KB
Water_Disassociation_ZPE.ppt 6 MB
Electrolysis_ZPE_Moray_King.mp3 13 MB
555_timer_component_calc.xls 547 KB
Electronics_Tutorial.pdf 481 KB
Stan_Meyer_Patent_9207861.pdf 861 KB
Meyer_WFC_Technical_Brief.pdf 4 MB
Electrode_Capacitance_Calc.zip 223 KB
Ohms_Law_Calculator.htm 10 KB
D14_Updated_24_Dec_2007.pdf 259 KB
D14_Updated_12_Feb_2008.pdf 238 KB
WFC_Information_Links_Mar_08.pdf 132 KB
Stan_Poisoned_Bruce_Mcburney.mp3 1 MB
Waterfuel_Tech_Adm._Griffin.pdf 303 KB
Chapter10_Automotive_Systems.pdf 2 MB
PJK_eBook_April_2008.pdf 18 MB
Water_in_Resonant_Circuits.pdf 328 KB |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488802
8/21/2008 2:54 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
[link to www.alt-nrg.org]
Resonant cell (Yes, REALLY!)
Boyce, Meyer and others were all hitting resonance by trying to send it high frequency energy. Boyce took the shotgun approach with a wide spread of frequencies and harmonics. Meyer tried to zero in closer by sending it repetitive bursts of single frequency energy and catching the resonance as it sweeps through on each burst. They both work better than trying to send it a single frequency and hoping to hit it. Others are now toying with complex PLL and Micro Processors. I have a concept on paper to track the resonant frequency by frequency modulating a carrier signal and correcting based on phase angle of the error signal. I almost started down that path with my blinders securely fastened, UNTIL I had a flash of inspiration sitting on the toilet.
You know what? We're going about this all wrong. We are again the victims of misinformation. Either Meyer and/or Boyce are agents of misinformation or they are victims of it.
Think about it. The pendulum of a clock can be made to resonate if we poke it lightly and repeatedly with our finger at the resonant frequency. But is that how the pendulum really operates in a clock mechanism? No. The clock spring does not feed the pendulum pulse energy at it's precise resonant frequency. The clock mechanism feeds the pendulum energy WHEN THE PENDULUM ASKS FOR IT. The pendulum itself sets the optimum frequency for itself. In electronic terms we call this a regenerative oscillator. Even if the pendulum weight were to shift up and down, it would still resonate. IT'S AN OSCILLATOR!
Why are we messing with ideas on how to force the resonant tank circuit of a cell and inductor to do something that it WANTS to do naturally and worry about figuring out ways to track it as the dynamics of the cell changes? Let the tank circuit itself set the frequency. Let the tank circuit be part of a regenerative power oscillator. Sample a portion of the energy, amplify it and feed it back into the tank circuit, in phase to sustain oscillation. Let it step charge the cell until it reaches catastrophic dielectric failure over and over. It doesn't matter how the dynamics of the cell changes. It will constantly be at it's own natural resonant frequency no matter what conditions change in the cell.
THE DAMN THING IS JUST DYING TO BE AN OSCILLATOR! LET'S SET IT FREE!!!
I'll be working on a circuit for this tomorrow, July 4th. If it works as I think it might, this might truly become *THE* Independence Day of all Independence Days, for all humanity, for all eternity.
PLUS SOME MATH. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488802
8/21/2008 10:18 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Do the math: [link to www.alt-nrg.org]
1) The best I.C.E. is 18% efficient, 20% on a good day.
2) The process of brute force electrolysis today has been pushed to about 85% Faraday.
Note: Based on the caloric energy available from burning Hydrogen, by using Faraday's "Law" to translate from electrical energy it is estimated that 100% efficient hydrogen electrolysis is achieved by creating somewhere between 5.5-7.5 milliliters of gas per minute per watt of energy consumed. Members of our research group have run the numbers several ways which all seem to point to around 7.0 m/m/w or mmw for short. Many of our cells have operated as high as 6mmw or roughly 85% efficient
3) The product of electrolysis is HHO which has it's own energy value, up to 85% of what we put in.
If all we considered was the return of energy value when we inject the HHO as a supplement to gasoline, then yes; Conservation of energy applies.
HOWEVER!
HHO as an additive does more than return 80% of the energy we put in to create it. It's properties enhance the slow burning gasoline, speeding up the rate of combustion, causing much more of the total combustion process to be translated into mechanical energy rather than being lost as waste heat out the tail pipe, raising the efficiency of the total system. Returning to the simple math...
4) Let's say we're able to translate just 10% more of the total system energy to mechanical energy. We have still not violated conservation of energy, only raised the total system efficiency to 28%. But that's an increase of 55%!!! Now deduct the energy loss of 15% to create the HHO that made this possible and you still end up with a total net gain of 40%!
This is not rocket science. It's simple math. And it works. The reality is some are getting even more, up to 35% mechanical efficiency, 94% gain, -15% to create the HHO, 79% total net gain. That's 54 MPG on a car that started out at 30. People are doing this. It is working. The move is on and there is no stopping it. |
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PJK_eBook_April_2008.pdf
User ID: 534516
10/25/2008 2:02 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Files related to using water as fuel.
Total: 24
Some are quite large: [ link to www.hotlinkfiles.com]
Xogen.zip 20 MB
Andrija_Puharich.pdf 1 MB
H2_FUEL.pdf 1 MB
RAVI_WATER_FUEL_CELL_Sep_07.zip 14 MB
DAVE_WATER_FUEL_CELL_2004.zip 9 MB
THE_TESLA_SWITCH_9_SEP_07.zip 15 MB
WFC_Documents_Patrick_Kelly.zip 5 MB
Plasma_Electrolysis.pdf 655 KB
Water_Disassociation_ZPE.ppt 6 MB
Electrolysis_ZPE_Moray_King.mp3 13 MB
555_timer_component_calc.xls 547 KB
Electronics_Tutorial.pdf 481 KB
Stan_Meyer_Patent_9207861.pdf 861 KB
Meyer_WFC_Technical_Brief.pdf 4 MB
Electrode_Capacitance_Calc.zip 223 KB
Ohms_Law_Calculator.htm 10 KB
D14_Updated_24_Dec_2007.pdf 259 KB
D14_Updated_12_Feb_2008.pdf 238 KB
WFC_Information_Links_Mar_08.pdf 132 KB
Stan_Poisoned_Bruce_Mcburney.mp3 1 MB
Waterfuel_Tech_Adm._Griffin.pdf 303 KB
Chapter10_Automotive_Systems.pdf 2 MB
PJK_eBook_April_2008.pdf 18 MB
Water_in_Resonant_Circuits.pdf 328 KB |
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Just so you Know.
User ID: 534527
10/25/2008 2:38 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Yep, the Brown's gas introduces more oxygen to the combustion cycle, so there's more o2 in your exhaust, which the computer interprets as your engine running lean. It compensates by pumping more fuel.
I believe that a marine/boating supply store would be a possible source for stainless wire. Quoting: Evil Twin
This is Not Correct. When Browns Gas Burns it returns to Water, The Performence Gain is caused by a Much Hoter Combustion and More Efficent Use of Fuel. |
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