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Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
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Grower
User ID: 429082
5/7/2008 12:46 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
i just rebuilt a turbo hydromatic 350 auto trans last season for a drag car. With no prior knowledge on how to do so. But i do agree with this guy on the public school systems. |
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Evil Twin  
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 429054
5/7/2008 12:49 AM
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i just rebuilt a turbo hydromatic 350 auto trans last season for a drag car. With no prior knowledge on how to do so. But i do agree with this guy on the public school systems. Quoting: Grower
Chevrolet is a dirty word in my garage, but I'll forgive you this time, lol.
To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 372844
5/7/2008 12:54 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
 for sum luv lol
If your vehicle is equipped with an "on board computer" here is what you will probably end up with, as I did. The "HHO" or "Brown's Gas" is easy to create, and when you split the water, it is indeed quite flammable, I can attest to that. I'm no longer allowed to play with the hydrogen atom in the house anymore. HeHe..
Anyway, here is what happens on computer controlled (o2 sensor) equipped vehicles.
1.The hydrogen does burn, and very well. Matter of fact, it turns back into water after combustion. Pretty cool, huh? The bad news is most o2 sensors read it as a "lean" indication, and do what they do...richen the fuel mixture. I have found 2 methods that work. Easy and not so easy. The easy way is to remove the 02 sensor from the exhaust airstream. This is done the easiest with a simple spacer. It does work, however you need to keep your hydrogen cell functioning or fuel mileage to take a big poopoo. The "not so easy" method is to come up with a method to "fool" the o2 sensor. Since most run between 0-.5 volts DC, this can be done with simple resistors, and many places are selling the control circuits online in a nice neat little package. Beat the way I had to go around it, looks better and will probably be much more dependable. Nonetheless, my 1/2 ton Chevy truck with a 326 gets an honest 27 mpg now. It is kind of a pain, as your cell has to be maintained on a regular basis. But at nearly 4 bucks a gallon, and prices heading north as I type, it's a worthwhile trade. Fuck OPEC anyway we can. We're going broke, yet windfall profits are being reported by the "7 Ugly Sisters", so to speak.
What do you want to bet just me sharing this with you makes me a "Bad American" in some folks eyes? Bad American indeed. I'm sick and tired of being expected to be stupid like a good little American. So I guess I'm bad...bad the the fricking bone....
Peace
What was your mpg before the Brown's Gas add-on installation?
What is the year model of that truck?
The truck is a 2000 Chevy Silverado (really a 2001, it has the 4 door). Here is what I did. I get time, I'll post some pics. Ducted a ram air into the underneath of the air box to where the optional driving lights would have gone. 1/4 diamond screen to keep the critters out. K&N filter. Fuel pre-heater constructed from stainless tubing utilizing the passenger exhaust manifold to provide the heat. This helps, and has the fuel at an elevated temperature by the time the ECM goes into closed loop. If we didn't have to fight the umteen different fuel additives (all of which have DIFFERENT boiling points), you'd see those "100 mpg carb plans " show up again. Getting the fuel to boil at over 450 deg is no easy task. Sure miss the "good" gas from days gone by. The cell construction is what I call a 6 pack. It is really only a 5 cell unit, with the 6 cell only utilized with a micro float switch to maintain the h20 level in the 5 cells. Cathode and anode are both stainless steel all-thread with 1" diameter washers placed 1/4 inch apart. For it's size, it generates quite a bit of HHO. By the way, this engine has a PERFECT vacuum location to handle the idle and low cruise position, and utilize a "T" and run another 1/4" id distribution hose into the existing factory air box. Oh, I also put one of those "turbonator" vortex gizmos in the 4" hose leading to the main throttle body. I'll hold my reservations about that one, however, I left it in place. My particular truck utilized not 2, but 4 o2 sensors-two in front of the converter, two behind. The ECM takes an o2 reading BEFORE, then also after the converter. I had to create two resistor controls, but utilizing a few relays, I was able to utilize just one rotary switch. These plans are available free on the internet. You just have to be able to solder, and have a LOT of patience. Heat on your cell is another issue, as to get decent HHO generation, you will probably have to be running in excess of 10 amps. USE RELAYS! Most switches simply can't carry the AMPS. Don't "skimp" in the wiring dept either. You will end up "doing it again", so to speak. It's not the volts that will do you in. It's the amps. Have a flashback device, a simple quality one way check ball will suffice. I think I have found a way to combat the heat, though I haven't had the time to try it. Provide a "pulse" of electricity to your cell(s) instead of direct current. The little bit of research I have done shows this may indeed cure the overheating (boiling) of the cells. There are folks a lot more advanced in this technology than I. Tons of GOOD stuff on YouTube and Google Video. Glad to see others getting interested. For what it's worth, there is a company advertising on Republic Radio that is offering a money back guarantee. They guarantee you will double you fuel mileage-or your money back. Cost? About a thousand bucks. I think they also figured out you just can't add the cell and make it work. (UNLESS YOU HAVE A SIMPLE CARBURETED CAR)... I'd bet it involves some of the "other" stuff mentioned above. Good luck and post your success/failures here. Pin this link. There is strength in numbers, and if I do say so myself, most of us here are really pretty bright individuals. Misery loves company...hehe....
So to say it was only one thing I did, I simply cant. What I can say is I have taken a truck that got 18 mpg downhill with the wind and have got close to doubling my mileage. Not quite there, but I'm getting there. And it's people like us that will have to do the homework. The "powers that be" don't want this technology out. It IS there, and has been. A little time at the US patent Office will prove that statement...(hint, hint)
Peace....
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256741
5/7/2008 12:56 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
You morons are experts at the latest video game, but you could never change a sparkplug or even hammer a nail without mortally wounding yourselves.
I suck at video games, but I'm an excellent carpenter, and I've been rebuilding automatic transmissions since I was 10.
They're a bit more complex than sparkplugs ;) Quoting: Evil Twin
It wasn't a swipe at YOU. Like I said, I played with vapor injection myself.
Here's a link about alleged "Brown's Gas" you might like:
[link to www.phact.org] |
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Grower
User ID: 429082
5/7/2008 12:57 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Okay look, I'm trying so hard not to be a troll now that I don't get banned all the time, but you ignorant children are so full of shit i can't contain myself.
***ALL*** water-to-hydrogen schemes split the water into hydrogen and oxygen; did you drop out of gradeschool or something? Look up "electrolysis". The only thing "Brown" about this is how much shit you're full of.
Second of all, retarding the timing is a indication of REDUCED OCTANE and INCREASED PRE-IGNITION('knocking'),
***NOT INCREASED EFFICIENCY***
God DAMMITT i hate the public school system.
You morons are experts at the latest video game, but you could never change a sparkplug or even hammer a nail without mortally wounding yourselves. Quoting: The Last Man On Earth 256741
Any way... In newer vehicles the ignition distributer is no more. They now have "knock sensors" made of a type of crystal that produces a voltage when a knock occurs and sent to a computer to control the ignition. So the knocking is not an issue with new vehicles. And 99.9% of the time old vehicles are not a problem either because you can control the timing with the distributor cap.
your retarded fucking comment "***ALL*** water-to-hydrogen schemes split the water into hydrogen and oxygen; did you drop out of gradeschool or something? Look up "electrolysis". The only thing "Brown" about this is how much shit you're full of." is just... you trying to start an argument. Please take your jerry springer loving ass out of here if you dont like what you read. If you have read anything we have been saying you wouldnt have made this statement. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 372844
5/7/2008 1:05 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
any info or experiences on fully hho running systems.
i've read it'll last only 5 - 10 thousand miles before it eats your engine to shit
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Yup. Definitely some truth there. Here is my DREAM engine.
1.Stainless exhaust system
2.Stainless valves
3.Stainless cylinders
4.Stainless pistons
5.Aluminum heads
6.Ceramic or some other high tech, non corrosive rings, (I'd rather stainless, but they would never "seat". BooHoo)
Could it be done? You bet it could.
Peace |
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El Toro De Calle
User ID: 256741
5/7/2008 1:06 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
i just rebuilt a turbo hydromatic 350 auto trans last season for a drag car. With no prior knowledge on how to do so. But i do agree with this guy on the public school systems.
Chevrolet is a dirty word in my garage, but I'll forgive you this time, lol. Quoting: Evil Twin
I used to think I liked Mopars because that's what Dad liked. But then my own first car was a Mustang, and being a Ford guy was my teenage parental rebellion.
I got older, began buying and selling used cars for income, and noticed a pattern of Fords being severe oil burners.
Gradually I realized I had the least maintenance problems with GM brands.
But I'm driving a Ford again, and before that a Mopar.
Hey Cool is Cool lol.
You can't put Gucci feet in Florscheim shoes lol. |
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Grower
User ID: 429082
5/7/2008 1:06 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Chevrolet is a dirty word in my garage, but I'll forgive you this time, lol. Quoting: Evil Twin
my ford 5.0 has 260,000 original miles on it and still can smoke the tires.this 5.0 engine is going to outlast the body here pretty soon |
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Grower
User ID: 429082
5/7/2008 1:08 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
any info or experiences on fully hho running systems.
i've read it'll last only 5 - 10 thousand miles before it eats your engine to shit
[/quote
Yup. Definitely some truth there. Here is my DREAM engine.
1.Stainless exhaust system
2.Stainless valves
3.Stainless cylinders
4.Stainless pistons
5.Aluminum heads
6.Ceramic or some other high tech, non corrosive rings, (I'd rather stainless, but they would never "seat". BooHoo)
Could it be done? You bet it could.
Peace Quoting: Anonymous Coward 372844
the only real problem would be the exhaust. Everything else in the engine will be evaporated immediately. water will not form with the temperature thats inside of a combustion chamber. |
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Grower
User ID: 429082
5/7/2008 1:11 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I got older, began buying and selling used cars for income, and noticed a pattern of Fords being severe oil burners. Quoting: El Toro De Calle 256741
yes the ford 4.6 liter engine was known for the valve seals going faster then the rest of the engine. thats why you get a puff of smoke on startups and take offs. |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 429054
5/7/2008 1:12 AM
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i just rebuilt a turbo hydromatic 350 auto trans last season for a drag car. With no prior knowledge on how to do so. But i do agree with this guy on the public school systems.
Chevrolet is a dirty word in my garage, but I'll forgive you this time, lol.
I used to think I liked Mopars because that's what Dad liked. But then my own first car was a Mustang, and being a Ford guy was my teenage parental rebellion.
I got older, began buying and selling used cars for income, and noticed a pattern of Fords being severe oil burners.
Gradually I realized I had the least maintenance problems with GM brands.
But I'm driving a Ford again, and before that a Mopar.
Hey Cool is Cool lol.
You can't put Gucci feet in Florscheim shoes lol. Quoting: El Toro De Calle 256741
LOL
I really think people should just drive what they like.
I have an F150 and a Mustang, both with 5.0s in them, because 90% of the cars I've ever had were Ford small blocks, so I know them inside and out. I've been working on 302's since I was 15 and know which socket to grab before I see the bolt, usually.
To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q... |
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Atomizer
User ID: 429153
5/7/2008 1:13 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I tried the water4gas unit and it burned out my electrical system on a Toyota Previa. You need to be careful with the amperage. If it goes over 20 amps, problems start.
Right now I'm actually using an atomizer that mixes a gas drip with the PCV gases into the intake manifold. My mileage has increased by about 20%. Others report better gains. You definitely feel the "tail-wind" effect with the increased power.
I've actually become a distributor for it. I think it has potential as gas prices spike.
Here's the website: [link to www.agsint.com] |
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Grower
User ID: 429082
5/7/2008 1:16 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
LOL
I really think people should just drive what they like.
I have an F150 and a Mustang, both with 5.0s in them, because 90% of the cars I've ever had were Ford small blocks, so I know them inside and out. I've been working on 302's since I was 15 and know which socket to grab before I see the bolt, usually. Quoting: Evil Twin
+1 i have 4 differnt cars and all4 are from differnt companies. ford GM mazda and volkswagen |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 426019
5/7/2008 1:17 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
First this question: "What precisely makes hydrogen "Brown's" gas? Electrolysis of water has been known forever."
Named after Yull Brown who developed a torch based on electrolized water. Has some unusual operating characteristics. It is both the oxygen and hydrogen mixed together.
First question: injecting brown's gas into the intake air-stream on an Otto cycle engine can change the operating characteristics. Presently we fire the plugs at about 8 degrees before top dead center (TDC) - with the brown's gas we can fire nearly at TDC because the flame spread is nearly instantaneous. This makes the otto cycle more efficient.
Okay look, I'm trying so hard not to be a troll now that I don't get banned all the time, but you ignorant children are so full of shit i can't contain myself.
***ALL*** water-to-hydrogen schemes split the water into hydrogen and oxygen; did you drop out of gradeschool or something? Look up "electrolysis". The only thing "Brown" about this is how much shit you're full of.
Second of all, retarding the timing is a indication of REDUCED OCTANE and INCREASED PRE-IGNITION('knocking'),
***NOT INCREASED EFFICIENCY***
God DAMMITT i hate the public school system.
You morons are experts at the latest video game, but you could never change a sparkplug or even hammer a nail without mortally wounding yourselves. Quoting: The Last Man On Earth 256741
You're really not up to speed on this. Have you had at least 8 hours of college chemistry? This isn't just electrolysis. There is a chemical conversion. Brown's gas burns much much faster than a gasoline mixture and must be ignited past TDC. Gasoline has a slow rate of burn, so it must be ignited before TDC. If you don't retard the timing for the Brown's gas, You'll be seeing holes in your piston.
If you're just blowing a little bit into the intake, you might be able to keep the std timing, but if you were burning pure Brown's gas, You WILL have to retard the timing, preferably several degrees PTDC.
I just wish I was as smart as you think you are. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 372844
5/7/2008 1:18 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
i too have researched this everytime the gas prices go up, i mean it sounds all good,
but there are a lot of possible drawbacks, one of them being engine rusting and failure
they tried this on mythbusters too to no avail
i smelled scam when i read the first article and was waiting for the op to post the link to the unit he was obviously selling, and then it came up
pretty expensive for a kit u can supposedly make by yourself
Brown's gas/HHO is different from pure hydrogen electrolysis systems.
There is no water introduced into the engine.
I made my system for just a few dollars. It has already paid for itself at the pump. Quoting: Evil Twin
Your wrong at that one, oh evil one. You ARE introducing BOTH the oxygen AS WELL as the hydrogen into your engine. (unless you found a way to separate the oxygen, and if you did, I'd relish you explaining how you did it). Also, after combustion, what do you have left? Water. (Which incedently and theoretically could be collected, and returned to repeat the process).
Peace
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256741
5/7/2008 1:18 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Any way... In newer vehicles the ignition distributer is no more. They now have "knock sensors" made of a type of crystal that produces a voltage when a knock occurs and sent to a computer to control the ignition. Quoting: Grower
IRRELEVANT. You nutters just think your case will appear credible if your babboon mouths flap enough technical sounding words. ALL water electrolysis produces hydrogen and oxygen, I can't believe you don't know that you gradeschool dropout. The issue is that it takes MORE energy to crack the water than you can get back by burning it. If you have your own anal autistic opinion then show me an engine that powers a generator that cracks enough hydro to run the engine running the generator that powers the electrolysis. Until you can do THAT stop peddling your lies and ignorance here and finish working on your 'general equivalency diploma'.
[link to www.4wdmonthly.com.au] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 341677
5/7/2008 1:23 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
making an electrolysis chamber to induct browns gas into your intake can improve mpg greatly and it burns CLEANER! Quoting: Primordial
A) There is NO such thing as 'browns gas'
B) It takes MORE energy to get the hydrogen that hydrogen can provide
C) You will NOT get better milage using hydrogen!
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 341677
5/7/2008 1:23 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
making an electrolysis chamber to induct browns gas into your intake can improve mpg greatly and it burns CLEANER! Quoting: Primordial
A) There is NO such thing as 'browns gas'
B) It takes MORE energy to get the hydrogen than hydrogen can provide
C) You will NOT get better milage using hydrogen!
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Grower
User ID: 429082
5/7/2008 1:23 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I tried the water4gas unit and it burned out my electrical system on a Toyota Previa. You need to be careful with the amperage. If it goes over 20 amps, problems start.
Right now I'm actually using an atomizer that mixes a gas drip with the PCV gases into the intake manifold. My mileage has increased by about 20%. Others report better gains. You definitely feel the "tail-wind" effect with the increased power.
I've actually become a distributor for it. I think it has potential as gas prices spike.
Here's the website: [ link to www.agsint.com]
what the hell how can that make you gas mileage better?its like a second intake putting more gas into your car. unless your not using gasoline? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256741
5/7/2008 1:24 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
6.Ceramic or some other high tech, non corrosive rings, (I'd rather stainless, but they would never "seat". BooHoo)
Could it be done? You bet it could.
Peace Quoting: Anonymous Coward 372844
Chevy Vega had ceramic/silicon lined cylinders. How'd that work out? lol. |
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Grower
User ID: 429082
5/7/2008 1:27 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Your wrong at that one, oh evil one. You ARE introducing BOTH the oxygen AS WELL as the hydrogen into your engine. (unless you found a way to separate the oxygen, and if you did, I'd relish you explaining how you did it). Also, after combustion, what do you have left? Water. (Which incedently and theoretically could be collected, and returned to repeat the process).
Peace
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 372844
Magnetics will separate oxygen from hydrogen. But you do not want to separate the 2 for this purpose. ever see an oxygen and acetylene torch? acetylene alone burns crappy. Add oxygen and you cut through metal like butter. |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 429054
5/7/2008 1:30 AM
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i too have researched this everytime the gas prices go up, i mean it sounds all good,
but there are a lot of possible drawbacks, one of them being engine rusting and failure
they tried this on mythbusters too to no avail
i smelled scam when i read the first article and was waiting for the op to post the link to the unit he was obviously selling, and then it came up
pretty expensive for a kit u can supposedly make by yourself
Brown's gas/HHO is different from pure hydrogen electrolysis systems.
There is no water introduced into the engine.
I made my system for just a few dollars. It has already paid for itself at the pump.
Your wrong at that one, oh evil one. You ARE introducing BOTH the oxygen AS WELL as the hydrogen into your engine. (unless you found a way to separate the oxygen, and if you did, I'd relish you explaining how you did it). Also, after combustion, what do you have left? Water. (Which incedently and theoretically could be collected, and returned to repeat the process).
Peace
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 372844
I'm not separating anything, and I'm certainly no expert on this subject. I've learned a lot just since the beginning of this thread. I think at the minimal levels of hydrogen and oxygen I'm currently using, any water produced in the combustion process isevaporated in the combustion chamber, and I would think that would help smooth out the pressure wave in the cylinder and lead to more efficient combustion.
Or, I'm completely wrong and will have to build that extra 5.0 that's been sitting in my garage for 2 years, lol.
I have read hundreds and hundreds of glowing testimonials about this, so it sure seemed lke it was worth experimenting with.
To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q... |
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Grower
User ID: 429082
5/7/2008 1:31 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
making an electrolysis chamber to induct browns gas into your intake can improve mpg greatly and it burns CLEANER!
A) There is NO such thing as 'browns gas'
B) It takes MORE energy to get the hydrogen than hydrogen can provide
C) You will NOT get better milage using hydrogen!
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I suppose putting 2 highly explosive fuels into a cylinder along with gasoline wont make it ignite better. hell, who the fuck thought it would you should be shot in the forehead. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256741
5/7/2008 1:33 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Brown's gas burns much much faster than a gasoline mixture and must be ignited past TDC. Gasoline has a slow rate of burn, so it must be ignited before TDC. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 426019
You're confusing lack-of-octane spontaneous-detonation with rate-of-burn. You advance timing to increase efficiency, your shitty crap obviously won't compress without spontaneously detonating ('knock') so you're forced to retard the timing.
If it's possible to find info on the 70's gas-gimmick "Power Foam" injector, you will see they also retarded the timing to get shitty fuel to run in a modern engine. Nothing new here, just the "hydrogen from water" disguise to conceal 70's era air-bleed/vapor injection.
So have your burned valves started clicking and tapping yet? See you after your next emissions inspection, CHILD. |
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Grower
User ID: 429082
5/7/2008 1:35 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I'm not separating anything, and I'm certainly no expert on this subject. Quoting: Evil Twin
Absolutly you are. Thats where things get tricky. You have to think on the molecule level. Your taking water witch is 2 parts hydrogen and one part oxygen(and what ever else has contaminated it hence the use of distilled water) and giving it a jolt of electricity make the molecular bond break and separating the 2. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256741
5/7/2008 1:39 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
it sure seemed lke it was worth experimenting with. Quoting: Evil Twin
If the mood ever strikes you, try driving it without the electricity attached, and see if there's any actual difference |
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Grower
User ID: 429082
5/7/2008 1:43 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Brown's gas burns much much faster than a gasoline mixture and must be ignited past TDC. Gasoline has a slow rate of burn, so it must be ignited before TDC.
You're confusing lack-of-octane spontaneous-detonation with rate-of-burn. You advance timing to increase efficiency, your shitty crap obviously won't compress without spontaneously detonating ('knock') so you're forced to retard the timing.
If it's possible to find info on the 70's gas-gimmick "Power Foam" injector, you will see they also retarded the timing to get shitty fuel to run in a modern engine. Nothing new here, just the "hydrogen from water" disguise to conceal 70's era air-bleed/vapor injection.
So have your burned valves started clicking and tapping yet? See you after your next emissions inspection, CHILD. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 256741
 <== thats who this guy works for. your making an argument with your self dude. Everything your stating has no purpose here. I suggest to re-read the thread. Burnt valves has nothing to do with them ticking or clicking.If you hear ticking or click in your new vehicle its most likely your fuel injectors. New vehicles have done away with the old valve system being ran with gears and chain.... but rather over head cams with hydraulic valves eliminating the tick sound you would hear. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256741
5/7/2008 1:45 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I suppose putting 2 highly explosive fuels into a cylinder along with gasoline wont make it ignite better. hell, who the fuck thought it would you should be shot in the forehead. Quoting: Grower
What you can't seem to grasp is that it takes more gasoline to run the alternator that powers the electrolysis than you can get back from the piddling amounts of hydrogen it cracks. Ever heard of the laws of thermodynamics?:
1. You can't win.
2. You can't break even.
3. You can't get out of the game. |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 429054
5/7/2008 1:45 AM
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I'm not separating anything, and I'm certainly no expert on this subject.
Absolutly you are. Thats where things get tricky. You have to think on the molecule level. Your taking water witch is 2 parts hydrogen and one part oxygen(and what ever else has contaminated it hence the use of distilled water) and giving it a jolt of electricity make the molecular bond break and separating the 2. Quoting: Grower
I know I'm separating hydrogen and O2 during the electrolysis process, I was referring to separating the hydrogen from the O2 after electrolysis.
To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 372844
5/7/2008 1:46 AM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
any info or experiences on fully hho running systems.
i've read it'll last only 5 - 10 thousand miles before it eats your engine to shit
[/quote
Yup. Definitely some truth there. Here is my DREAM engine.
1.Stainless exhaust system
2.Stainless valves
3.Stainless cylinders
4.Stainless pistons
5.Aluminum heads
6.Ceramic or some other high tech, non corrosive rings, (I'd rather stainless, but they would never "seat". BooHoo)
Could it be done? You bet it could.
Peace
the only real problem would be the exhaust. Everything else in the engine will be evaporated immediately. water will not form with the temperature thats inside of a combustion chamber. Quoting: Grower
Hmm...
Pulling the heads at 163,000 miles (about 25,000 miles of which were "on hydrogen") revealed not only residual buildup especially around the intake valve, but even the exhaust manifold was showing signs as well. Same can be said far as I could see into the tailpipe where it connected to the manifold. This could also be contributed to the importance of using distilled water due to the minerals that seem to "stick" during and after combustion rather well. Put it this way, the "quality" of your water can make a BIG difference.
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