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Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!!
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Primordial
User ID: 352739
5/8/2008 4:00 PM
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EVIL TWIN did you say the stainless wire you use is 316L or you dont know? |
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Watching
User ID: 430041
5/8/2008 4:17 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I've read this thread from begining to end and thank all those that have posted their experiences. I've followed very few of the links and was wondering if there was a source of discussion and further information free. I've seen some online books for sale, but feel that I'd like to try a sample experiment before outlaying my cash.
Also there seems to be many applications, some seem more legit then others. I mean I understand feeding HHO if it is combustable into the engine somehow, but what is a 'bubbler' needed for? And if this HHO gas is sooo combustable, light weight and easy to produce, why not just create an engine that runs completely on HHO? This seems like the holy grail right there, but I do see the great stride it would take and how a hybrid does prove the usefulness of fuel.
Just for kicks, I tied a couple paper clips to a 9v batter and stuck the clips in a paper cup of bottled water. After a couple minutes tiny bubble started to form around one probe. Did I make HHO in some small form? Would this be amplified if I added baking soda?
TIA
You absolutely did make HHO one paperclip is full of hydrogen bubble and the other full of oxygen bubbles. using a battery the process is alot slower, now if you took a drill battery with a dash of baking soda added you might see a great increase in production! try it and be safe!
A bubbler is used as a safety precaution instead of your combustible engine getting fed directly from the HHO cell you are routing the HHO through a container with water. Also the amount of moisture going into the engine is reduced. if you watch the videos the cell itself when turned on looks like its producing a foam like substance the bubble kinda of clears that up for you as well.
As for free info theres alot of that going on, start on youtube type in water engine in the seach box then start following the similar videos, you will see so many ideas out there goingon right now. You can google it. I do not intend to pay someone 300-1000 dollars for a premade system when i know with a few dollars I can basically do the same thing, just might not look as pretty LOL.
A few car makers have made pure hydrogen vehicles but it is very complicated, also remember this is different HHO is NOT just hydrogen it is also oxygen, the way alot of us are trying to apply it is as a supplement to UP out MPG! Quoting: Primordial
Thanks, I'm still reading. So the HHO is produced in the 'fuel cell' canister? piped to the bubbler and then to the air intake? Is there no need to regulate the ammount of gas or pressure? Then your all done except for any computer cheating that you need to make so it doesn't lean out anything?
This is sounding real simple and emmensely 'tweakable'. "A little too simple..." (sister voice added as needed)
TIA |
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Grower
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 4:19 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I've read this thread from begining to end and thank all those that have posted their experiences. I've followed very few of the links and was wondering if there was a source of discussion and further information free. I've seen some online books for sale, but feel that I'd like to try a sample experiment before outlaying my cash.
Also there seems to be many applications, some seem more legit then others. I mean I understand feeding HHO if it is combustable into the engine somehow, but what is a 'bubbler' needed for? And if this HHO gas is sooo combustable, light weight and easy to produce, why not just create an engine that runs completely on HHO? This seems like the holy grail right there, but I do see the great stride it would take and how a hybrid does prove the usefulness of fuel.
Just for kicks, I tied a couple paper clips to a 9v batter and stuck the clips in a paper cup of bottled water. After a couple minutes tiny bubble started to form around one probe. Did I make HHO in some small form? Would this be amplified if I added baking soda?
TIA Quoting: Watching 429969
Check out [link to www.overunity.com] its an open source forums for free energy(meaning its not a website only for selling you shit. even though they do have a hydroxy setup you can buy just click on the forum link) Another one is OUPOWER.com |
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Grower
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 4:21 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Whoa what did it do to my post lol! check out overunity and OUpower.com im sure theres more but these 2 i have found most useful so far. The people there are very knowledgeable |
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Primordial
User ID: 352739
5/8/2008 4:23 PM
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I've read this thread from begining to end and thank all those that have posted their experiences. I've followed very few of the links and was wondering if there was a source of discussion and further information free. I've seen some online books for sale, but feel that I'd like to try a sample experiment before outlaying my cash.
Also there seems to be many applications, some seem more legit then others. I mean I understand feeding HHO if it is combustable into the engine somehow, but what is a 'bubbler' needed for? And if this HHO gas is sooo combustable, light weight and easy to produce, why not just create an engine that runs completely on HHO? This seems like the holy grail right there, but I do see the great stride it would take and how a hybrid does prove the usefulness of fuel.
Just for kicks, I tied a couple paper clips to a 9v batter and stuck the clips in a paper cup of bottled water. After a couple minutes tiny bubble started to form around one probe. Did I make HHO in some small form? Would this be amplified if I added baking soda?
TIA
You absolutely did make HHO one paperclip is full of hydrogen bubble and the other full of oxygen bubbles. using a battery the process is alot slower, now if you took a drill battery with a dash of baking soda added you might see a great increase in production! try it and be safe!
A bubbler is used as a safety precaution instead of your combustible engine getting fed directly from the HHO cell you are routing the HHO through a container with water. Also the amount of moisture going into the engine is reduced. if you watch the videos the cell itself when turned on looks like its producing a foam like substance the bubble kinda of clears that up for you as well.
As for free info theres alot of that going on, start on youtube type in water engine in the seach box then start following the similar videos, you will see so many ideas out there goingon right now. You can google it. I do not intend to pay someone 300-1000 dollars for a premade system when i know with a few dollars I can basically do the same thing, just might not look as pretty LOL.
A few car makers have made pure hydrogen vehicles but it is very complicated, also remember this is different HHO is NOT just hydrogen it is also oxygen, the way alot of us are trying to apply it is as a supplement to UP out MPG!
Thanks, I'm still reading. So the HHO is produced in the 'fuel cell' canister? piped to the bubbler and then to the air intake? Is there no need to regulate the ammount of gas or pressure? Then your all done except for any computer cheating that you need to make so it doesn't lean out anything?
This is sounding real simple and emmensely 'tweakable'. "A little too simple..." (sister voice added as needed)
TIA Quoting: Watching 430041
All in a nut shell, ive seen some guys talk about flash arrestors and check valves and what-knot but it basically runs in a vacuum cause your engine is pulling air. My personal opinion is to put a blow off or pressure reliefe vale on the chamber itself just to have peace of mind lol! Some people have gone with drilling a hole in the top of the canister and puttin gin a rubber blow plug just to relieve the pressure in that event! But so far i have not seen any serious presure problems except on test benches in the garage where they pushed the envelope as far as current and heat. |
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Grower
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 4:25 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Thanks, I'm still reading. So the HHO is produced in the 'fuel cell' canister? piped to the bubbler and then to the air intake? Is there no need to regulate the ammount of gas or pressure? Then your all done except for any computer cheating that you need to make so it doesn't lean out anything?
This is sounding real simple and emmensely 'tweakable'. "A little too simple..." (sister voice added as needed)
TIA Quoting: Watching 430041
So far suposivly "none" has found a way to produce enough HHO or even pressure to worry about it. If you do let me know! Actually there will be no pressure because your vehicles intake will create a vacuum on your hydrogen generator and actually increase production? Yes its very simple as you seen with the 9 volt battery and 2 paper clips. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 4:30 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Also as soona s I get some thinner 316L I wonder if that will make any difference as far as a thinner thickness in production of HHO??! The plates are thicker than I thought so Ill save that for a rainy day when i can aquire some. Another though i was going to try was on the positive side have a connection at the top AND bottom and same for the negative and see if that helps distribute the electrolysis better in the plates. Quoting: Primordial
Yes it will make a difference in 2 areas.
1.It will produce HHO output faster
2. It will heat up MUCH faster and cool much faster. |
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Grower
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 4:32 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Oh and it will change the voltage and current going across the plates. Size matters here. |
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Primordial
User ID: 352739
5/8/2008 4:33 PM
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Whoa what did it do to my post lol! check out overunity and OUpower.com im sure theres more but these 2 i have found most useful so far. The people there are very knowledgeable Quoting: Grower 429597
Grower Thanks great site!!! |
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Primordial
User ID: 352739
5/8/2008 4:35 PM
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Also as soona s I get some thinner 316L I wonder if that will make any difference as far as a thinner thickness in production of HHO??! The plates are thicker than I thought so Ill save that for a rainy day when i can aquire some. Another though i was going to try was on the positive side have a connection at the top AND bottom and same for the negative and see if that helps distribute the electrolysis better in the plates.
Yes it will make a difference in 2 areas.
1.It will produce HHO output faster
2. It will heat up MUCH faster and cool much faster. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 429597
Hmmm definetly give this a try tonight if I can! |
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Grower
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 4:38 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Hmmm definetly give this a try tonight if I can! Quoting: Primordial
Before you do there was a thread on overunity.com about preparing your new plates and how to charge them up for max performance. Ill look for it again and post it back here. I hope im not breaking any rules by posting these sites on here? |
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Grower
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 4:41 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Oh yeah i forgot to mention in that video of mine that was straight well water from my ground. No additives or anything. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 54970
5/8/2008 4:41 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I havn't had time to read the entire thread.
Has anyone addressed the fact that the byproduct of burning HHO is steam (water) and the corrosive effect this will have on most engines? |
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Grower
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 4:50 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I havn't had time to read the entire thread.
Has anyone addressed the fact that the byproduct of burning HHO is steam (water) and the corrosive effect this will have on most engines? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54970
haha yeah dude. Take time and go read this thread. There is someone on here that ran a HHO system in their vehicle a 2000 silverado or something with a 6 liter engine for 25,000 miles of its life with the only effect being it cleaned the carbon deposits out of his cylinders... |
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Grower
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 4:52 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Hmmm definetly give this a try tonight if I can! Quoting: Primordial
Read this thready primodial
[link to www.overunity.com]
It took me 3 days to fully read it (30 something pages long) Ironhead show you how to from start to finish and explains a LOT of how everything works. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 408793
5/8/2008 5:00 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
My first setup was 6 stainless steel electrical wall covers from home depot. cost me 48 cents each and a battery charger or even a battery
48 cents? damn! i paid 1.49 for mine !! LOL Quoting: Primordial
I got you both beat. I have done a bunch of commercial remodel and took dozens of stainless steel switch plates as well as receptacle covers. Must be nearly a hundred in that box. Came off a waste water treatment plant.
Also have some 1/8" stainless mesh in a small roll. I've been trying to figure out how to use the mesh. |
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Grower
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 5:09 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
haha cool! that mesh is going to rock some aqua.you can roll it? or you can just make multiple plates. or you could sell me some on the cheap |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 352739 (OP)
5/8/2008 5:17 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I havn't had time to read the entire thread.
Has anyone addressed the fact that the byproduct of burning HHO is steam (water) and the corrosive effect this will have on most engines? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54970
The amount of moisture using HHO as a supplement is completely burned off in the compression stroke during ignition thus no harm is done matter of fact there are reports that the HHO is cleaning all the valves and lifters and pistons in the engine! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 352739 (OP)
5/8/2008 5:19 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
My first setup was 6 stainless steel electrical wall covers from home depot. cost me 48 cents each and a battery charger or even a battery
48 cents? damn! i paid 1.49 for mine !! LOL
I got you both beat. I have done a bunch of commercial remodel and took dozens of stainless steel switch plates as well as receptacle covers. Must be nearly a hundred in that box. Came off a waste water treatment plant.
Also have some 1/8" stainless mesh in a small roll. I've been trying to figure out how to use the mesh. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 408793
AWWWW i would love to get my hand on some of that mesh! look up on youtube honeycomb cell I forgot the guys name |
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Grower
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 5:35 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
For all of you just tuning into this thread Please read the whole thing. Do not get discouraged by someone saying this wont work because it does. They are usually the ones that see someone else say it does not work and passes it on with out any thought at all. If done properly it will boost your MPG and if done VERY properly you can discontinue use of gasoline all together. This is not a conspiracy. This is real. |
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Primordial
User ID: 352739
5/8/2008 6:04 PM
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Much agreed with Grower. I have begun testing in my workshop and so far all is 100% true! This is a very important step as a collective in this world , never have I seen so many people pioneering something like this! Go on youtube alone and see for yourself and the website that grower posted above.
I will keep everyone posted as I start my testing!
If you think this is a conspiracy I dare you to try it for yourself and see!!
Also google stan meyer and read about him! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 368516
5/8/2008 7:52 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Can this be applied on the small scale for some kind of bicycle that has a motor? |
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Primordial
User ID: 430134
5/8/2008 8:37 PM
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Can this be applied on the small scale for some kind of bicycle that has a motor? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 368516
You betcha AC!! Matter of fact you can def make enough to run a one cycle engine on a bike or lawn mower And they could excluselvely on HHO!! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 8:40 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Can this be applied on the small scale for some kind of bicycle that has a motor? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 368516
This can be applied anywhere gasoline butane natural gas anything used as fuel is used. Water can be used to heat your home.... A HHO torch will make water boil almost instantly. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 408793
5/8/2008 8:45 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I haven't seen yet any circuit built to supply a constant voltage, constant current power supply directly from 12 volt to run the electrolyzer.
A common problem is electrolyzers going into a boil at much higher current draw and burning out fuses.
Constant current circuits are no secret, so why hasn't somebody built one? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 8:52 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
I haven't seen yet any circuit built to supply a constant voltage, constant current power supply directly from 12 volt to run the electrolyzer.
A common problem is electrolyzers going into a boil at much higher current draw and burning out fuses.
Constant current circuits are no secret, so why hasn't somebody built one? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 408793
They have LOL. From what ive been reading the trick is to create high voltage with low current. That will give less heat. Right now im researching how a stun gun can produce 750,000 volts of electricity out of a 9 volt battery |
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Grower
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 8:57 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
Here they are talking about a stun gun and how it works.
[link to home.howstuffworks.com]
The transformer takes the voltage and "steps it up" by wrapping a small coper coil around a iron core to another larger coil around the same iron core. |
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Grower
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 9:01 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
This may help you some. This guy is full of fucking shit though....
[link to videos.howstuffworks.com]
Another way to produce energy is by taking hydrogen and passing it through a certain type of material and it produces electricity. This is how the new battery packs work on i forgot what laptop it was powering it for months at a time with out turning it off or recharging. |
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Grower
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 9:02 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
lol he said you can dig hydrogen out of the ground... well fuck me maybe i can pour it our of my sink? hell i just pissed some out |
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Grower
User ID: 429597
5/8/2008 9:03 PM | | Re: Alternative Fuels-Using WATER to convert engine to a hybrid DIY!! | Quote |
damnit i cant edit my posts i ment to say he said you "cant" dig it out of the ground. |
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