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advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft?
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GraftedPromise U$ofA
User ID: 430360
5/9/2008 3:36 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
ANONYMOUS
it's the ONLY way if you don't want your life to severely change and / or be blacklisted Quoting: Corporate wisdom 300370
Oh Yes! That way the dirty stuff comes out but YOU don't get the "glory" ... or the CRAP!
Maybe your state law inforcement would be interested in what you have? |
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BOWTIE OWNER
User ID: 379467
5/9/2008 3:43 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
OP, I would just be happy if you could make GM admit that the rocker panels and cab corners on their trucks rust through on purpose. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 414461
For real, even on their older stuff (had a 67' Chevy C-10, put a 455 Olds in it AFTER patching the cab corners and rockers) rusts in that area--must have to do with moisture retention. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 379467
5/9/2008 3:45 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
OP,
Make sure you don't work for a company that can ensure your silence--either by payoff or "industrial accident." |
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OneConsciousness 
I believe in Miracles....
User ID: 428152
5/9/2008 4:11 PM
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IF you have EVIDENCE, then, yes you should turn them in. People need to realize that when people steal from the company you work for.... that it is YOUR raises that suffer. For most of the business world, the business has to turn a good profit for them to decide to give the employees a good raise. So these people are stealing YOUR money, too!
You are the angel for whom someone is waiting.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430070 (OP)
5/10/2008 12:40 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
update:
they made me the senior in my area...control over the department and today I'm going in to talk about pay increase. It was brought to me, rather than really demanded by myself. I think they know...? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430976
5/10/2008 1:12 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
if you don't have hard evidence and you come forward the you would probably only hurt yourself.I worked for a guy that did insurance work after storms and he would have someone smash skylights, so they needed to be replaced.i worked under another supervisor that stole from a contractor and then started his own company.I even worked as a public employee and they tried to force me to do work that was illegal for me to do-running a pumping station that would fill the water towers-i was also being threatened with bodily harm-the mayor told everyone i quit and he was lying-he got mad because i took time off and used my vacation days and thought i should run the pumping station if the supervisor wanted me to.that was a job with the village of antwerp NY.He wanted me to do it because he was in a bowling league and it interfered with his social life. i have worked for many liars and cheats and if i turned them all in i would never have any hope of finding the next job . |
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MATT..
User ID: 430268
5/10/2008 1:20 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
Pretty good advice so far...
How 'bout we find out a little more...
THEY WERE Stealing What?
AMOUNT of $ being lifted?
You never know what really good souls may be tied to these shitheads as part of their families who are innocent and whose lives you may be changing if you try turning them in.
I am in favor of going in and spooking them to stop without reporting them if possible.
I mean really scaring the living SHIT out of them nervous breakdown style as an inside wall they hit like it is a sign from above that they better get out of it now.
Remember the scene from the movie "Ghost" Demi Moore, Patrick Swayze, where the sh*t hits the fan for petty thief turned hired killer Willy Lopez of appt. #303 ?
It is the one where Stockbroker Carl and killer Willy go open gun season rampage on Psychic Oda Mae (Whoopi Goldberg)
and then Sam Wheat invisible ghost goes after Willy scaring him shitless until he runs in front of a truck out on the street.
Are you in the position to simply turn off the faucet upstream so they cannot get at those funds? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430976
5/10/2008 1:29 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
It is like george carlson says"power does what it wants"
If it comes down to your word against someone elses and there is no hard evidence-you are screwed!They will take the word of power as being fact every time.i know this from personal experience. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430070 (OP)
5/10/2008 1:31 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
i guess you make a really valid point matt, about turning them in and the way it effects OTHERS lives outside of the company, like wives and children who have no idea.
scaring the living shit out of them is a great idea... |
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OneConsciousness
I believe in Miracles....
User ID: 428152
5/10/2008 1:37 PM
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Hhhmmmm....
So. Because it might hurt someone other than the dishonest thief, these criminals shouldn't be turned it??
Sorry, nobody's fault but the thief's.
So, if you knew a mass murderer, drug dealer, (you fill in the blank) you shouldn't turn them in because someone close to them might get hurt??
What about all the other innocent people that these people's actions hurt??
You are the angel for whom someone is waiting.
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Mercuriel
Finaliter
User ID: 427700
5/10/2008 1:40 PM
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Isn't It strange how doing the right thing usually ends up with Our Asses in hot water ?
That said, this is the Test We're all being put through right now in one way or another....
What is Your limit and when You reach it will You do anything about It. Thats the real question and the choices We're all facing these days...
My apologies as I can't give You more advice on what to do except to say this ?
Are You going to do the right thing or not ?
If so, It will likely be painful to You personally, but with that said its been My experience that when I've stood up and been vigilant - While it has caused Me troubles - Those Troubles were better in the end than Me selling My Soul to the Highest Bidder - Which is in effect - Me not making the Choices I need to when I need to make them.
Whats very unusual and has always made Me smile is that when I do this, I ALWAYS find Source making sure I'm OK for standing up and doing the right thing...
A Choice to do nothing, is still a Choice.
Owell, I'm a strange Bird so I wish You luck with Your "Long Dark Night of the Soul" and the Choices YOU must make.
Peace, Light, Love and Harmony.
Namaste,
Mercuriel |
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MATT..
User ID: 430268
5/10/2008 1:41 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
..it might be if you can remain invisible. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430976
5/10/2008 2:00 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
Hhhmmmm....
So. Because it might hurt someone other than the dishonest thief, these criminals shouldn't be turned it??
Sorry, nobody's fault but the thief's.
:lamecr:
So, if you knew a mass murderer, drug dealer, (you fill in the blank) you shouldn't turn them in because someone close to them might get hurt??
What about all the other innocent people that these people's actions hurt?? Quoting: OneConsciousness
you fight the battles you can win or you could do more harm than good.a drug dealer could murder your family as retribution.an employer could hurt your chances of getting another job and feeding your family or sending your kids to college.what happens to the op is just as important as stopping the theft.the op did not create the problem.i used to be like this.always feeling that something was wrong and i needed to do something.i am the kind of person that would return a wallet,pick up money and give it to the person that dropped it,or give back money when i made a purchase and was given too much change back. when i fought an employer that was lying for unemployment benifits the judged ruled and used his version of what went down-word-for word-because i had no hard evidence and they did no investigation even though he admitted to trying to make me run the pumping station because i was denied a lawyer to tell them that it was illegal for me to do that.I called several law offices and all said they did not handle unemployment claims.legal aid was not even able to refer me to someone who did.shortly after that legal aid did get somone because there were so many cases of people not being able to find laywers for this kind of thing. |
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MATT..
User ID: 430268
5/10/2008 2:10 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
Before we judge and jury ourselves or anyone else--
--remember the commercial... a flap of the butterfly wings in the amazon and how it causes a chain of events cascading at just exactly the right timing for a snowballing into a major storm or some such thing across the planet?
Q: While it is of course good to come full circle and find ourselves following both our higher ideals and civilized societal programming for semi-communal life for non-predators, shouldn't we realize that before we up and tell somebody in the real world what to do that may actually change the whole lives of people all the way to perhaps the loss of a job aand bankrupting of one of your relatives -- even, until and unless we definitively see the entire picture--?
AND Then-- we move ahead if possible, and under such control you can then have more leverage to steer and insure that the thievery stops (as outlined in the scaring them shitless plan already) and know for sure they are punished and do not squirrel out of it the way we see so often now on the news-speak hypnosis box in the corner.
This could easily result in the OP getting a reverse outcome in the end -- an outcome that neither matches their morals, ideals, conscience, and if you play God -- (which is actually kinda cool to follow the ideal pattern and choices kinda playing God) You gotta weigh and KNOW all the possibilities.
IMHO we don't know enough to give action taking advice that affects real lives and livelihoods.
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Mercuriel
Finaliter
User ID: 427700
5/10/2008 2:36 PM
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I agree Matt.
All I was displaying if I've been misunderstood - Is that everything is a Choice and They have Their consequences - No matter what Platitudes We all place them at...
Peace, Light, Love and Harmony.
Namaste,
Mercuriel |
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OneConsciousness
I believe in Miracles....
User ID: 428152
5/10/2008 2:47 PM
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Hhhmmmm....
So. Because it might hurt someone other than the dishonest thief, these criminals shouldn't be turned it??
Sorry, nobody's fault but the thief's.
So, if you knew a mass murderer, drug dealer, (you fill in the blank) you shouldn't turn them in because someone close to them might get hurt??
What about all the other innocent people that these people's actions hurt??
you fight the battles you can win or you could do more harm than good.a drug dealer could murder your family as retribution.an employer could hurt your chances of getting another job and feeding your family or sending your kids to college.what happens to the op is just as important as stopping the theft.the op did not create the problem.i used to be like this.always feeling that something was wrong and i needed to do something.i am the kind of person that would return a wallet,pick up money and give it to the person that dropped it,or give back money when i made a purchase and was given too much change back. when i fought an employer that was lying for unemployment benifits the judged ruled and used his version of what went down-word-for word-because i had no hard evidence and they did no investigation even though he admitted to trying to make me run the pumping station because i was denied a lawyer to tell them that it was illegal for me to do that.I called several law offices and all said they did not handle unemployment claims.legal aid was not even able to refer me to someone who did.shortly after that legal aid did get somone because there were so many cases of people not being able to find laywers for this kind of thing.
Wall of words: May I suggest Capitals, spaces after the punctuation and use the "enter" key once in awhile. Not trying to be mean or anything, it's just that no formatting makes it really impossible for me (and a lot of others) to read.
The bottom line is: I agree totally, that he should have EVIDENCE. I even agree that doing this ANONYMOUSLY is even better, as a self-protective measure.
What I DON'T agree with is the excuse that just because it would hurt innocent people (wives, children) who are close to the criminal -- be it thief, murderer, drug dealer, etc. - is a valid reason for NOT turning them in.
There are hundreds more innocent people who are being hurt by these actions. In this case, not only everybody in the company that is NOT involved, but also, all the clients/customers of the company who have to soak it up in higher prices, etc.
However, Mercuriel is right. It really is his/her own conscience that can make the decision. Just have to wonder if he/she was just "bought out" with a promotion and a raise..... And do remember - OP is the one who came here to ask for advice....
And please do consider my above suggestions to make things easier for those of us with "older eyes"....
You are the angel for whom someone is waiting.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430070 (OP)
5/10/2008 3:03 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
being in a higher position the day after posting this, i feel somewhat bought out. but it doesn't mean the situation does not still stand, and that my decision is still up in the air here...to get a promotion and raise does not mean i can't accept it, and tomorrow, turn them in. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430730
5/10/2008 3:21 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
Nah, your just another ass hole poster on GLP who thinks he is special somehow.
It's obvious you hate yourself which in turn causes you to hate everyone else.
sad for you really.
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the new bud light w/ lime is good...
I live by the airport....near CONTRAILS...not chem...why am i never sick?
this is why i hate stoners.
advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft?
anyone a police officer? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 426834
5/10/2008 3:31 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
In the long run it will not make one bit of difference. You might get the satisfaction of doing what you think to be moral and upright but the changes you create may not be what you would have chosen for yourself if you knew what the outcome and choices really meant. It would be far, far, far better for you to go to these assholes, tell them what you know about themeselves, and that you cannot be involved with such a thing and quit. Because that is what is going to happen in the long run. You will not be working there. Quitting shows more moral gumption than turning them to let someone else fester the sore. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430070 (OP)
5/10/2008 11:11 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
Nah, your just another ass hole poster on GLP who thinks he is special somehow.
It's obvious you hate yourself which in turn causes you to hate everyone else.
sad for you really.
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the new bud light w/ lime is good...
I live by the airport....near CONTRAILS...not chem...why am i never sick?
this is why i hate stoners.
advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft?
anyone a police officer? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 430730
i enjoy beer, i live by the airport and have common sense that they arent gassing us, stoners are a waste of space, i want advice, and im asking if anyone is a police officer to see what its like. any questions? |
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OP
User ID: 239608
5/23/2008 3:48 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
Hey all, OP here, heres the final update.
I ended up finding a new place of employment, making much more money, with better room for company growth...
I gave them a great resignation letter, kept it friendly, but am definitly cutting all ties. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 373696
5/23/2008 4:22 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
Hey all, OP here, heres the final update.
I ended up finding a new place of employment, making much more money, with better room for company growth...
I gave them a great resignation letter, kept it friendly, but am definitly cutting all ties. Quoting: OP 239608
So they're getting away with it. Crime pays. I thought so.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 438343
5/23/2008 4:33 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
curious as to if anyone has done this...what my first move should be...i know calling HR never works...any advice? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 430070
Oportunity doesnt knock twice. |
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anonomous
User ID: 438048
5/23/2008 4:47 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
get a new job and stop trying to trump everyone....if you blow wistle you will be tied up in court for yrs as a witness..while at the same time you will live your life looking over your shoulder........do you want to commit so much of your talant being the cop of the bussiness..this crap goes on everywhere.....stealing is awful i agree..but why should you risk repercussions ..if you are as tlented as you say you are then spend your time advancing yourself in a a proper way..but get out of there......on friendly terms and forget what you know ...go be happy.....build a new life elsewhere... |
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Eagle # 1
User ID: 437612
5/23/2008 5:43 PM | | Re: advice. am i foolish to take down the managers and GM of my company for internal theft? | Quote |
DIDN'T read ALL the posts, so if this was mentioned, I just second it.
Where money has been stolen, then PROFITS are down, MEANING they paid LESS income tax. Government gives 10% or higher on the money they DIDN'T pay, to YOU. If this has been going on for years (IRS WILL find out ) it could be a tidy sum. Only YOU know about how much that might be.
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