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Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well?
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
5/10/2008 1:30 AM
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That's the depth of our well water. It comes into the house with and electric pump. If the grid went down, I guess a generator could do it, but is there another way, like a hand pump? |
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malu 
User ID: 421073
5/10/2008 1:32 AM
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 422491
5/10/2008 1:47 AM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
yes air pressure. cap the top of the well and have a compressed air tank near by. put a valve stem like on a tire on the cap pump 5lbs. air into well will push up water |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176 (OP)
5/10/2008 1:49 AM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
Thank you.
Malu, it's me, susano. Hope you and your darling girl are well. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176 (OP)
5/10/2008 12:44 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
GLP is so awsome. I can come here and ask any question and someone the answer or is helpful. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430962
5/10/2008 12:50 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
1) Get a windmill/pump installed
2) With either the windmill/pump or intermittent portable electric power, send water to an elevated storage tank which sits higher than the proposed site of use and let gravity do the rest. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 364863
5/10/2008 12:50 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
The method of pumping water uphill without electricity is by the use of a Hydraulic Ram Pump.
[link to www.clemson.edu] |
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loosecannon
User ID: 430977
5/10/2008 1:13 PM
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That's the depth of our well water. It comes into the house with and electric pump. If the grid went down, I guess a generator could do it, but is there another way, like a hand pump? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 385176
it can be done with a ram pump |
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malu
User ID: 421073
5/10/2008 1:17 PM
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The method of pumping water uphill without electricity is by the use of a Hydraulic Ram Pump.
[ link to www.clemson.edu]
i always thought that was pretty cool
hey susano! where the heck you been? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430962
5/10/2008 1:17 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
That's the depth of our well water. It comes into the house with and electric pump. If the grid went down, I guess a generator could do it, but is there another way, like a hand pump?
it can be done with a ram pump Quoting: loosecannon
Maybe it's a misunderstanding on my part, but don't you have to have a "gradual" incline from a running water source like an above-ground stream to operate a ram pump? I've never heard of a vertical ram pump. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176 (OP)
5/10/2008 1:21 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
Malu, I've been around. I was away from February 5th until the beginning of April because of a family illness. For some reason my ID# changed. I can't seem to log in, either. It won't take my password.
Beach time soon, Malu :) |
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LS
User ID: 253961
5/10/2008 1:22 PM
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sucking on a hose really hard.
If you are worthy of its affection, a cat will be your friend, but never your slave. 
[link to www.hsus.org]
[link to www.defenders.org] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 425656
5/10/2008 1:33 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
sucking on a hose really hard. Quoting: LS
But in actual fact the greatest head you can suck (pause for laughter .....) is around 28 ft |
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ozark
User ID: 430992
5/10/2008 1:58 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
Back before electricity they had hand pumps. You still see them up here today as backups.All it takes is muscle. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430871
5/10/2008 2:20 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
Old style bucket and rope |
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machobird
User ID: 397862
5/10/2008 3:48 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
"5lbs. air into well will push up water"
For every 2.5 feet deep the well is, it takes 1 PSI to push up water, For a 170 foot deep well, it would take 68 PSI.
Conversly, if you had a water source, gravity fed from a tank 170 feet above, it would arrive with a pressure of 68 PSI.
machobird |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176 (OP)
5/10/2008 3:50 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
Has anyone actually done this (hand pump or the other thing)? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 410180
5/10/2008 3:51 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
Try a 170 foot silly straw and suck it up |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430994
5/10/2008 3:58 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
Back before electricity they had hand pumps. You still see them up here today as backups.All it takes is muscle. Quoting: ozark 430992
My grandparents had one. It was a handy thing to have to draw water for the garden or to drink from. They had indoor running water, probably from the city.
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Robert
User ID: 431026
5/10/2008 4:16 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
Old style bucket and rope Quoting: Anonymous Coward 430871
Beat me to it...LOL |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 431045
5/10/2008 5:06 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
For each 2.3 foot of head you get one pound of pressure.
A ram pump does not work in this situation. A ram pump uses head pressure to pump a much smaller volume of water to a higher position than the head available at the pump. Efficiency of a ram pump is not good, but those things do work free and last years.
The old hand pumps are still being manufactured new, but I don't know where. You do not want a cistern pump which was a simple vacuum design.
The old hand pumps used essentially the same design as windmills used, so a windmill manufacturer might also carry the hand pump design. They used a rod that screwed together in sections that went down the center of the riser pipe to a cylinder at the bottom.
There was also a pumpjack design that used the same lift rod but instead of a windmill or a handle, there was a small gasoline engine lifting the water. |
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Lester
User ID: 431051
5/10/2008 5:24 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
Is your well drilled to 170' or is your water level at 170'? Makes a pretty big difference!
If you google Wendy Danko, you should find links to his company which sells solar powered water pumping eqpt.
If your present pump is under 2hp, you should be able to run the motor with a generator. If you have something like a cistern to store water in, you run your genset until the cistern is full and you are set for a couple of days or weeks, presuming 1000gals or more. You could also get an above ground swimming pool kit and pump water there. You will need a cover to keep leaves and bugs out, but they're not hard to buy or make.
In fact, if you go to a swimming pool supply house and price pool-liners, you might find one that is suitable for use with some support system you might make your self; look on Craigslist for somebody getting rid of an old pool; they will likely give it to you. Easy to put up, just takes some sand to support against the outer wall. The liners will go in a few years, but a h-d liner from a pool company is very durable and longlasting.
Just some ideas. If your water level is above 100' you might be able to use a pitcher pump which costs about $85. Get an adapter for your current well pipe and you probably won't have to pull the pump just install the pitcher pump on the casing, or in-line with your delivery line.
Air power is nice, but pretty expensive; tower etc. Solar is very nice. If you already have a 5kw genset, think about a storage tank or pool. You need to look at your well-pump motor specs to see what the current draw in ampers is. Your genset has to be able to handle the startup draw of your motor. Probably you are okay at up to 2hp, but check to be sure. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 425278
5/10/2008 5:30 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
Lehaman's still has the hand pumps that can handle down to 200ft but the are not cheap..
[link to www.lehmans.com] |
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Lester
User ID: 431051
5/10/2008 5:35 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
One other idea, if you are interested in solar anyway; you might find an inverter with sufficient surge capacity to actuate your well-pump, if so you can have alternate electricity for your home and operate your pump.
Fairly expensive to get a good one. With a couple of storage batteries that solar panels or your genset will charge, you have very self-sufficient power source.
If it might cost $2000 to have your pump pulled and replaced, if the pump is about 2hp, you need about 5kw of surge at 120vac to actuate it. A 2500watt inverter or even 2000watt might provide that capacity.
Spend $1000 for your inverter and another $500 - $1000 on batteries (Trojan 6v golfcart or L16 floor scrubber size) and you will have some really long lived deep cycle batteries.
Solar is expensive. Maybe, if your location has pretty constant wind over 8mph, you could use a windcharger. There are some very cost effective ones that put out 600w at 24volts and cost about $500. That equals 1200 watts in 12vdc per hour. Solar panels putting out that much energy will cost you $20,000.
So Inverter + batteries + genset + storage tank/pool = water self-sufficiency; IF you have lots of fuel storage.
Solar panels or wind chargers and a decent investment if you expect the cost of fuel to keep rising.
Good luck!~ |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 431066
5/10/2008 6:10 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
Well, hopefully your well will be there if the grid goes down. If an earthquake opens a fissure, the water tables will surely change. We are just so used to thinking that Gaia is always going to be there for us. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 317795
5/10/2008 6:23 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
Okay for us suburbanites, how do we DIG our well? How big around does it need to be? I think the water level is fairly shallow here in Florida but how does one go about digging one's preparedness well without angering the homeowners' association? Can this be done in a, ahem, subtle way? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176 (OP)
5/10/2008 6:41 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 425278
Damn, 600 bucks!
I don't the answer to the questions asked. All I know is that the well guy had to go down 170'. You pay by the foot in well drilling. I assume if he went down that far, that's where he must hit water (?). We have a pipe thingy in the backyard where it was drilled. There's some other componant in the basement (the electric part).
With the hand pump, do you hook it up to where the caped pipe thing is (in the backyard)?
I was thinking about storing water in 55 gallon drums (or whatever those big ones are. I was always concerned about bacteria, but then I was think if we had one those Burkee water filters that all we'd have to do is filter the water, and then no worries. Does that sound logical? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176 (OP)
5/10/2008 6:45 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
Okay for us suburbanites, how do we DIG our well? How big around does it need to be? I think the water level is fairly shallow here in Florida but how does one go about digging one's preparedness well without angering the homeowners' association? Can this be done in a, ahem, subtle way? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 317795
Ya know, that's a very good question. I think some municipalities might require permits to dig a well, and may not even allow it! FUCK THAT.
You need a well digger to come out. It's a big truck with a drill. I would talk to some well diggers and see who will just do it. If you get busted just say it never occurred to you that you aren't entitled to your own water. I don't know how noisy it is. If it's noisy, have it done in the daytime to not attract a lot of attention. If it's not noisy, do it at night. |
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Blow Job Betty
User ID: 269684
5/10/2008 7:06 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
A long straw and your town's best hooker. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 379883
5/10/2008 7:14 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
Post hole diggers and galvanized pipe.
Drive it down with a hammer. |
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Whiskey Brother
User ID: 425636
5/10/2008 8:56 PM | | Re: Besides electricity, does anyone know if there is any to pump water from a 170' deep well? | Quote |
You can always convert a stationary bycycle into a water pump. That way you can keep fit, lose weight, not depend on electricity from an outside source, and even hook it up to power you TV set so you have something to watch while you pedal away... |
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