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Radical Depopulation Of The Earth - The Solution To Mankind's Problems?

 
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I am amazed by how many people I talk to and how many posts I see on the forums these days that agree with the "need" to reduce the population.

It seems like everyone is going crazy! I see calls for a "one child policy", calls for making large families an "eco-crime" and calls for eliminating 90 percent of the earth's population all over the internet.

It seems as though more and more people are buying into the propaganda of the New World Order. Look at what the following article is saying about this situation:

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[link to shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com]

Radical Depopulation Of The Earth - The Solution To Mankind's Problems?

Today the call for depopulating the earth has grown louder than ever. College professors are given standing ovations by their students when they call for a 90 percent reduction in the human population of the earth. Ted Turner states "A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal", and the global elite applaud him. The Georgia Guidestones which call for us to "maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature" are quoted more and more with approval by our leaders.

What is this world coming to?

It seems as though for the global elite, every major crisis these days is an opportunity to further one of the key pillars of their agenda:

Less people.

Problem: Gas costs too much and we are faced with "global warming".

Answer: Get rid of a whole bunch of people and we will use less gas and we will produce less "greenhouse gases".

Problem: Medical costs are increasing.

Answer: Get rid of a whole bunch of people and kill off the elderly and we will have fewer medical costs.

Now Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh, has the perfect solution for the "food crisis":

Get rid of a whole bunch of people......

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[link to shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com]
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The developed countries are already at or below the replacement birth rate. All that is left to do is bomb the poorer places with condoms.
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The developed countries are already at or below the replacement birth rate. All that is left to do is bomb the poorer places with condoms.
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So you agree with the insane radical depopulation agenda?
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Come on.

It sounds brutal but it makes sense.

500 millions could live like kings on this planet, getting excellent education, have a job, life a modern live, enjoy long long lasting ressources and large untouched areas where nature and wildlife can recover.

6 billion alive means, half of them is living in slums, scavenging dump for existence, using to much ressources, pestilence, spreading deseases.

12 billion will turn this planet in a war driven shithole.

It´s like an aquarium with fish happily procreating.
First you are happy because your fish seem to like it there.
Then you feel, if there are more of them ... the aquarium will tip over.

Now you can:
remove fish from the aquarium or:
Watch it dip over and see all your fish (and the other beings in there too) die because the ressources in your little eco system (algea that grow on the plants, the size of the filter, the oxygen in the water) are out.

Scale this little aquarium to a planetary size and you will see the problem.

So it´s only a matter of numbers:

12 billions or 5,5 billions
12 billions and a loss of everything mankind has achieved or 5,5 billions and the hope that scientific success will solve the problems because there is more time for research because of less consumers using the limited ressources.

The question is:
Who should be killed and who not ?

I think genetics may help, some virus that does not kill intelligent persons but removes useless eaters (all those obese monsters, stupid thugs that are a threat to other people, religious lunatics, stupid people, ...) that a new society can´t need anymore.
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Come on.

It sounds brutal but it makes sense.

500 millions could live like kings on this planet, getting excellent education, have a job, life a modern live, enjoy long long lasting ressources and large untouched areas where nature and wildlife can recover.

6 billion alive means, half of them is living in slums, scavenging dump for existence, using to much ressources, pestilence, spreading deseases.

12 billion will turn this planet in a war driven shithole.

It´s like an aquarium with fish happily procreating.
First you are happy because your fish seem to like it there.
Then you feel, if there are more of them ... the aquarium will tip over.

Now you can:
remove fish from the aquarium or:
Watch it dip over and see all your fish (and the other beings in there too) die because the ressources in your little eco system (algea that grow on the plants, the size of the filter, the oxygen in the water) are out.

Scale this little aquarium to a planetary size and you will see the problem.

So it´s only a matter of numbers:

12 billions or 5,5 billions
12 billions and a loss of everything mankind has achieved or 5,5 billions and the hope that scientific success will solve the problems because there is more time for research because of less consumers using the limited ressources.

The question is:
Who should be killed and who not ?

I think genetics may help, some virus that does not kill intelligent persons but removes useless eaters (all those obese monsters, stupid thugs that are a threat to other people, religious lunatics, stupid people, ...) that a new society can´t need anymore.
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"Obese monsters"?

"Stupid thugs"?

"Religious lunatics"? (I guess I am on the list)

"Stupid people"?

Let me see if I have got this right.........you want to kill all of them?

See, I told you there are people even on GLP who think this way.

It is really scary.
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The developed countries are already at or below the replacement birth rate. All that is left to do is bomb the poorer places with condoms.



So you agree with the insane radical depopulation agenda?
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Err, yes? There's a finite amount of living space and farmland and clean water. ...what's your plan, shrink rays so we can fit more people in the same space?
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Don't worry, very soon God will rid the earth of the wicked and the population of survivors will be reduced drastically. Maybe to around 7 million total.
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Don't worry, very soon God will rid the earth of the wicked and the population of survivors will be reduced drastically. Maybe to around 7 million total.
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Interviewer: What are a billion years to you?

God: A split second.

Interviewer: What are a billion dollars for you?

God: Just a penny.

Interviewer: Well, then can you give me a penny?

God: Sure, just wait a second!
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I think the depopulation idea is just peachy but I also propose that we get started by all the whacko enviroMENTALALISTS going off the cliff first!!!
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The developed countries are already at or below the replacement birth rate. All that is left to do is bomb the poorer places with condoms.



So you agree with the insane radical depopulation agenda?


Err, yes? There's a finite amount of living space and farmland and clean water. ...what's your plan, shrink rays so we can fit more people in the same space?

 Quoting: The Internet 324533



Actually if it wasn't for all the massive greed there would be plenty of resources to go around.

There are gigantic areas of land that are unused and uninhabited in the world. Even in the United States there are large areas that are barely used.

People in the world are starving because of the greed and oppression of the global elite.

We could feed the world easily if people would just share and help one another.
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Radical would be a call to kill everyone over the age of 30 (that includes me, my spouse and pretty much everybody I know).

Depopulation of earth is needed now.

That depopulation should, ideally, be each individual's responsibility. I regret to inform you that most individuals flat refuse to pick up the slack on their end. So practically our governments need to make it a law to force people to do the 'right thing' and work toward population reduction by curbing our tendency to make too many babies.

The truth is that the earth can only sustain 1 billion naturally.

Naturally means without tractors, irrigation, pesticides, herbicides, hybrid seed stock, water treatment, mass shipment of goods, etc.

With limited use of technology - irrigation of fields that are fertilized with composted (cooked) human wastes, with hybrid varieties (not genetically engineered), with limited use of pesticides and herbicides, with limit shipping we could sustain globally a population of 3 billion.

3 billion with a modern car (one - compact variety) per household, with a modern home (one, 2 bedroom) with moderate need to commute, with recycling and use of existing energy efficient products and with the supplementation with existing on the shelf technologies for sustainable energy and building.

To put that in perspective - Europeans live 'modestly' compared to Americans who live in the lap of luxury and super size everything. 3 billion on earth could live modestly having all their needs (clothing, medicine, food, water, shelter and some of the extra toys computers, x boxes, cell phones, etc.)

The earth can sustain a constant population of 3 billion. She can not sustain an every growing population in excess of 3 billion.

3 billion is a large population. The late 1960's humanity reached 3 billion.

To better our odds and to provide more wealth to each individual we would need to reduce our population further.

Yes it is true, most of the world's woes is due to our extensive population and the limited resources that everybody wants.

If we fail to take it upon ourselves to lower the birth rate and allow natural deaths to reduce our population for us over time, we will reach a point where our population numbers will trigger a global war and many will die a horrible death, and the survivors will inherit an earth that will be poisoned and unable to sustain even a billion.

The NWO needs an ever expanding population - it is driven by the same processes upon which we base our economy - perpetual growth. Perpetual growth is unsustainable and ultimately leads to collapse.

IF the NWO was serious about stymieing our growth it would have retooled the economy decades ago to 'force' limitations.

The Georgia stones reflect what earth can sustain naturally - without any technology to sustain us. It is an 'ideal' situation one that would work the best.

Unfortunately the longer we go without turning the tide on population growth the smaller our end population would need to reach for sustainability.

We are using up the resources of earth, we are killing many many acres of land each day - we are ruining sources of fresh water faster and faster. We have depleted the oceans to the point of near collapse of those ecologies (in some places the collapse a has begun).

So yes, now if we want to 'save' the earth we would have to aim lower. Tomorrow we will have to aim even lower. A decade lower than that.

If left unchecked by 2050 we will reach 9 billion (plus) on earth.

Scientists fear that 7 to 8 billion is the tipping point - the point where the ocean ecologies collapse, the point where there is not enough land, the point where all fresh water is gone the point where society breaks down and wars break out over the limited resources.

If oil is the real issue underlying the current war in the middle east then it is just a taste of things to come.
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TO support the population we have WE WOULD ALL NEED TO BECOME VEGATAREANS
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If mankind doesn't depopulate itself, nature will. We passed the sustainability level around the year 1980, according to Lester Brown in "Plan B 3.0."
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Err, yes? There's a finite amount of living space and farmland and clean water. ...what's your plan, shrink rays so we can fit more people in the same space?




Actually if it wasn't for all the massive greed there would be plenty of resources to go around.

There are gigantic areas of land that are unused and uninhabited in the world. Even in the United States there are large areas that are barely used.

People in the world are starving because of the greed and oppression of the global elite.

We could feed the world easily if people would just share and help one another.
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What vast unused areas? We've got plenty of empty deserts in the U.S. but you can't grow crops on them. Can't even move all the houses out there and grow crops in the fertile areas because people need water too.

Around the world all the great empty spaces are empty for a reason. If the Chinese could find a way to terraform Mongolia I assure you they would. The whole idea is short term only because even if you could green the deserts they'd be used up in a few decades and we'd be back where we started.

Save the world. Keep your pants on.
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the depopulation program has been underway for decades, it is happening even in the usa right under peoples noses, sheeples, that is.
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Diversity causes conflict.

A household that has two children will be much more peaceful than one that has 20.
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Older people over 40 should be depopulated for the energetic young of the world.

These older parasites consume most of the resources with less and less for the young.
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100 to 150 years ago infant mortality rates were high - nearly 2/3rds of all born died within the first 3 years of life.

At that time the average lifespan was around 43-47 years.

Even earlier there were times in human history where babies born were not even named until they were 3 years old since so many died and the average lifespan was less than 45.

Then comes the 20th century and the birth of so many new medicines that the life expectancy of the average human could be as much as 90 years (80 is considered the average presently), infant mortality is so low to be nearly nil.

Understand that many are born premature who survive today by the grace of medicine - 100 years ago it was a near certain death sentence.

The reason why it took so long for humans to reach critical mass for the Industrial Revolution was simply because death kept our population growth extremely low.

We are using so much artificial life support (medicine) to extend life and to prevent deaths of those who before modern medicine would have died that we have created a condition where our birth rate seriously trumps our death rate.

We either can choose to reduce our numbers by reducing the number of children born per parent, or we can revert back to the days before medicine and allow nature to take her course.

Before we hastily toss out modern medicine, need I remind you that many are sustained via medicine, to name but a few: diabetics, heart patients, stroke victims, people who cut themselves and get a minor infection (The antibiotics we have all used most likely saved our life at least once).

I believe that we can sustain more than 3 billion IF we take to mariculture and IF we all agree to redistribute the wealth.
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you're first OP! You go and get depopulated and be with "god" in a better place.
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I read somewhere that the population of the world could be accommodated in Texas with an acre of space between each person.

I don't know if it's true, though?

Anyone done the math?
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I support depopulation, but not NWO-style depopulation. There are more plays going on here than you can see. It's not just the NWO vs. Those Who Want Freedom. The NWO play is just at the forefront right now. I would rather live with a few hundred million (no greater than a billion for sure), living closer to nature, than to live in the kind of world we live in today. More people = more economic driven world = more cold-hearted world = gives more incentive to the elitists to want to maintain their control. also with so many people, you forget that we are all human, and it gets to the point where everyone just looks like a bunch of mindless robots.

I don't think the world is going to be as Alex Jones imagines it. I think the Elists will get stronger and stronger with more and more people, because as the world becomes more populated, there will be WAY more problems, and people will be begging for some sort of governmental assistance, thus granting THEM more power.
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I read somewhere that the population of the world could be accommodated in Texas with an acre of space between each person.

I don't know if it's true, though?

Anyone done the math?
 Quoting: Forfarian



The Land area (excluding the watery bits) of Texas is 261,914 sq miles. there are 640 acres to a square mile - in this case there is 167,624,960 acres in Texas (167.62 million)

In order to hold all 6.6 billion of us we would need 35.79 Texas's (What is the plural of Texas?)

But here is the rub - each of us require more than 1 acre of land each to sustain us for such minor things like food, water, medicine and clothing (cotton and wool being the most popular fibers we use - cotton plants take up lots of land for a bolt of cotton fabric, wool requires at least sheep which would require a lot of grazing land).

To house those people we require more acreage not only in the form of trees, but also clay, concrete and of course the factories to manufacture basic building materials - excluding the steel for rebar and nails.

To sustain for everyone the European Lifestyle (small car, small habitat, short commute, etc) we would need nearly two earths to meet the needs.

To live African (In poverty, in a shack, barely enough basic food, no real medicine) we can easily meet the needs of everyone on earth with one earth.

To sustain everybody American Style, we most likely would require nearly 5 earths.
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If there has been a depopulation program in place for years, it is obviously not too successful in So. America, Mexico, all of Southeast Asia, the Philipines, Indonesia, Haiti, Africa,India or in any of the Muslim countries of the world. And certainly not amongst those crazy US polygamists.

The "developing world" or third world countries as they used to be called, needs to have birth control in it water, beer, coffee, tea or whatever they drink. They are breeding themselves into a state of constant poverty and semi-starvation. Almost all the fast-paced population growth in the world is in these countries and more than half of their populations are under 25 and at the height of their fertility.

They have no concept that fewer children means more food for the children they do have.

To be fair, those who live in abject poverty cannot pay for even the cheapest forms of birth control and both Catholics and Muslims believe it to be a sin which is an outrageous idea in this century.

I hate to see people starving and suffering as they do, but they really do need to stop having so many kids.
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To me the dilemma is fairly simple: we either use our brains to deal with the reality of the situation and choose to lower birthrate, or allow nature to lower it for us via the traditional means--famine, disease, war. So, the bet is on. Just how smart are we?
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i can see that no one here understands fragmentation of the spirit.....the magnetic essense that creats the place for spirit to live is now changing and most spirits will not be able to exist here any more.....so the depopulation is going to happen regardless......we live in an electric light world on a frame work of magnetism......this basic frame work is changing and it is not those you think who will survive in it...light workers will not they are too polarised in that direction....one needs the balance of a magnetic emotional feeling body........so what are you denying??
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i can see that no one here understands fragmentation of the spirit.....the magnetic essense that creats the place for spirit to live is now changing and most spirits will not be able to exist here any more.....so the depopulation is going to happen regardless......we live in an electric light world on a frame work of magnetism......this basic frame work is changing and it is not those you think who will survive in it...light workers will not they are too polarised in that direction....one needs the balance of a magnetic emotional feeling body........so what are you denying??
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I believe its time to do something about the overpopulation issues, but i would never agree to mass murder or wars as the answer.

Maybe a one child policy could work or even better, the government pays people that dont have kids a salary every month, once you have a kid that salary is taken away and the more kids you have, then you need to pay taxes for having them.

I think that would work.
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Older people over 40 should be depopulated for the energetic young of the world.

These older parasites consume most of the resources with less and less for the young.
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I;m gonna have to differ with you here 773. I'm over 40. I don't own and Ipod, or a cell phone, or a gamebox, or even a car, for that matter.

I raised 4 boys. It wasn't me leaving the lights and tv everything else on when I left the room. It wasn't me leaving the door wide open when I left the house.....or the heat cranked in their rooms and then opening a window to cool down.

Or standing there with the fridge door wide open for five minutes while deciding what to eat.
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I read somewhere that the population of the world could be accommodated in Texas with an acre of space between each person.

I don't know if it's true, though?

Anyone done the math?



The Land area (excluding the watery bits) of Texas is 261,914 sq miles. there are 640 acres to a square mile - in this case there is 167,624,960 acres in Texas (167.62 million)

In order to hold all 6.6 billion of us we would need 35.79 Texas's (What is the plural of Texas?)

But here is the rub - each of us require more than 1 acre of land each to sustain us for such minor things like food, water, medicine and clothing (cotton and wool being the most popular fibers we use - cotton plants take up lots of land for a bolt of cotton fabric, wool requires at least sheep which would require a lot of grazing land).

To house those people we require more acreage not only in the form of trees, but also clay, concrete and of course the factories to manufacture basic building materials - excluding the steel for rebar and nails.

To sustain for everyone the European Lifestyle (small car, small habitat, short commute, etc) we would need nearly two earths to meet the needs.

To live African (In poverty, in a shack, barely enough basic food, no real medicine) we can easily meet the needs of everyone on earth with one earth.

To sustain everybody American Style, we most likely would require nearly 5 earths.
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It's funny...

Where I live, there is like two houses per block, and the blocks are like a mile apart...

There is more untouched wilderness here then I could ever explore, literally millions of acres of virgin land without a human soul within thousands of miles.

My country is the third largest landmass in the world, and my government is literally bribing the populous to breed, lest we fall below our paltry 30 million that we have and we no longer have people to unearth our seemingly endless resources.

So when I hear this crap about overpopulation I have to shake my head...

wtf

Come here!

We have nothing but empty spaces to fill!

This overpopulation thing is a joke to me.


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To sustain for everyone the European Lifestyle (small car, small habitat, short commute, etc) we would need nearly two earths to meet the needs.

To live African (In poverty, in a shack, barely enough basic food, no real medicine) we can easily meet the needs of everyone on earth with one earth.

To sustain everybody American Style, we most likely would require nearly 5 earths.
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Interesting statistics. But I wouldnt characterize poorer countries in such a dismal light. They havent gone down the road of globalization as much as rich countries, so their local production sustains them, whereas complex networks for production and distribution make rich countries extremely vulnerable to economic shocks.

And there is a difference between personal lifestyle choices and a modern consumer society that leaves little choice in how it delivers goods and services.

The former needs improvement but cannot have the impact necessary without a reform of the latter.

On the other hand, poorer countries are at an advantage in the sense that they can construct a more efficient society from the bottom up, while modern economies would need to transform not only their infrastructure but the consumer psychology...

When there is an economic collapse the ancient proverb "the higher you are, the harder you will fall" will indicate who will have the toughest time of it.

Unfortunately, TPTB and their beneficiaries will try as hard as possible to "squeeze as much blood from a stone" before having to make any sacrifices themselves, and those that will continue to suffer will be those who already live and take the least from the environment.

Totally unfair and against the nature of things, but I am confident Nature will eventually have the last laugh and reward those who have learned to have the least impact...

Therefore, for the Malthusians who desire a depopulated world the most beneficial course would be to knock off those who live in advanced consumerist societies, who have become alienated from all aspects of independent living. Eliminating those who have all the knowledge and practice of independent living and who give back all they take, would essentially doom the parasites of the rich countries who have become efficient at extracting the wealth of the world but who give nothing back.

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