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Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.

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Wuriwus23 Subscriber
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5/13/2008 9:43 PM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

ok that didnt work out so well... not trying to annoy..

just trying to understand...

i changed the date range on the link that Omega provided to one year ago roughly 2007 april ist...

trying to compare
Omega Subscriber
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5/13/2008 9:52 PM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

ok that didnt work out so well... not trying to annoy..

just trying to understand...

i changed the date range on the link that Omega provided to one year ago roughly 2007 april ist...

trying to compare
 Quoting: Wuriwus23


Nice, lemme know what you find man. It's my day off and I am way out in the country on dialup-too slow for me......
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups.
___Omega
_____________________________________________
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__Claire Wolfe

_____________________________________

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revolutionary act." - George Orwell
_____________________________________

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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 410551
5/13/2008 9:56 PM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

Good find OP.

It's definitely much worse than I would have thought. It makes me sick how they still try and paint such a rosey picture too. It's now to the point that it's freakin' scary!!

I think it's time to start depositing my money in the good old mattress account!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193848
5/13/2008 10:08 PM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

Those charts are why we're heading for massive DEFLATION, not inflation, dig? Money is debt, debt is money.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 254879
5/13/2008 10:46 PM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

The amazing part is that 99% of the people do not know this. It is a giant trap. When the shit hits the fan it will be like the great and terrible day of the Lord.
F.B.Nyte
User ID: 367872
5/13/2008 11:12 PM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

Omega, posted this the other day on paladins thread. In case you missed it:

US Government Facing Fiscal Armageddon- US Dollar in Deep Trouble

[link to www.marketoracle.co.uk]
F.B.Nyte
User ID: 367872
5/13/2008 11:14 PM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

Omega, posted this the other day on paladins thread. In case you missed it:

US Government Facing Fiscal Armageddon- US Dollar in Deep Trouble

[link to www.marketoracle.co.uk]
 Quoting: F.B.Nyte 367872


[link to www.marketoracle.co.uk]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 254879
5/13/2008 11:19 PM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

if all of these loans are to be paid back in 30 60 90 etc days , Where are the banks going to generate enough income?
Omega Subscriber
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5/13/2008 11:30 PM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

if all of these loans are to be paid back in 30 60 90 etc days , Where are the banks going to generate enough income?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 254879



Good point, and the bottom line is-they can't.....

The FED is taking subprime, alt a, credit card and auto loans tranches as Collateral.

They are assuming the risk and giving out money like candy in a desperate attempt to stop the bleeding. It's all they can really do, the result is what you see in the charts I posted.




It ain't gonna work


Think Wiemar Germany.
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups.
___Omega
_____________________________________________
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to change the system from within, yet too early to shoot the bastards.
__Claire Wolfe

_____________________________________

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act." - George Orwell
_____________________________________

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” John Stuart Mill
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430626
5/13/2008 11:38 PM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

outa curiosity are these numbers adjusted for inflation...comparing a dollar from 1925 to today can make a chart skewed
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 254879
5/13/2008 11:40 PM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

Don't cry for me Argentina
sillygalah
User ID: 50975
5/13/2008 11:49 PM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

He Omega, I see that the U.S. bond market had a pretty rough trading day yesterday. American interest rates have generally been rising since the middle of April. Are the bond vigilantes starting to raise the red flag?

Someone kindly started a thread (Monday I think) quoting another thread from the Market Ticker Forum. Winter said "Bond Crash Imminent - 2nd week of May". If yesterday's action in the bond market is any indication - so far it's a good call.

Cheers and thanks for the info'. Whenever you start a thread I sit up and take notice. Others should too.

if all of these loans are to be paid back in 30 60 90 etc days , Where are the banks going to generate enough income?



Good point, and the bottom line is-they can't.....

The FED is taking subprime, alt a, credit card and auto loans tranches as Collateral.

They are assuming the risk and giving out money like candy in a desperate attempt to stop the bleeding. It's all they can really do, the result is what you see in the charts I posted.




It ain't gonna work


Think Wiemar Germany.
 Quoting: Omega
SHR SubscriberModerator
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5/13/2008 11:53 PM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

I was thinking that was just so violent a spike that there had to be something about it, searched this down, maybe explains it?

Non-Borrowed Reserves: False Alarm
A number of people on Wall Street have noticed a recent plunge in non-borrowed reserves in the banking system and wondered it is a sign of distress in the banking system or of unusually stringent monetary policy. They dropped from $42 billion last November to negative $2 billion at the end of January.

It’s probably a false alarm, though. The drop is purely technical, a function of how the Fed has chosen to classify the money lent through its new Term Auction Facility.

Some background. All banks are required to hold some reserves in the form of either cash on deposit at the Fed or currency in their vaults. The Fed manages interest rates by increasing or decreasing these reserves. The Fed ordinarily does this through open market operations: It buys, usually temporarily, Treasury bonds and bills from dealers, and the funds get deposited in the dealers’ bank accounts at the Fed. That causes reserves to go up. Banks usually lend out anything in excess of their requirements, putting downward pressure on the federal-funds rate. Banks also obtain reserves by borrowing at the discount window, which often occurs if they fall short of their regulatory requirement.

According to economic theory, the Fed can target either the price (interest rate) or the quantity of reserves, but not both. Back when the Fed hated to admit it controlled interest rates, it targeted reserves. Since the amount banks borrowed from the discount window was somewhat beyond their control, they focused on reserves minus discount window borrowings, or “non-borrowed reserves.” In 1990, the Fed began to explicitly target the federal funds rate in one of its most important and least appreciated moves towards greater transparency. Since discount window loans were usually pretty small, total reserves and non-borrowed reserves were pretty close.

Last December, the Fed concluded that open market operations weren’t providing relief to some quarters of the interbank funding market and introduced the TAF. Like open market operations, the TAF enabled the Fed to lend a predetermined amount of funds to the banking system, with the interest rate at which they were lent determined through an auction process. But like the discount window, the money was lent directly to banks rather than primary dealers, and against a wide range of collateral rather than just Treasurys and agency securities. The TAF didn’t add to the money supply because for each dollar lent through the TAF the Fed was careful to liquidate a dollar of its holdings of Treasury bills and bonds to keep its overall balance sheet unchanged. But because the TAF is essentially discount window credit, the Fed decided to classify it as borrowed reserves.

As Michael Feroli of J.P. Morgan Chase explains, “Defining TAF funds as borrowed reserves is mostly a legal technicality that has allowed the Fed to be more creative in how they enter liquidity into the banking system. Economically, reserves created by repo operations (non-borrowed reserves) and those created by the TAF (borrowed reserves) are both funds lent by the Fed to the public against collateral.”

As it happens, in the last week of January TAF credit reached $50 billion. The amount of bank reserves the same week was only $48 billion. So, by definition, nonborrowed reserves, the difference, fell to negative $2 billion.

Mr. Feroli says: “The banking system is holding excess reserves — total reserves less those legally required — of between $1 to $2 billion,” roughly the “normal range seen over the last ten years… .The banking system certainly has its problems, however the notion that the recent data point to banks have trouble maintaining reserves stems from a superficial reading of the Fed’s statistical reports.” –Greg Ip

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sillygalah
User ID: 50975
5/13/2008 11:54 PM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

Hey GLP - I love the advertisement on my reply to Omega. "Great bargains on ebay". I had to laugh because it's quite personal. Sometimes when people ask me about day trading the stock market, I tell them to try ebay.
Omega Subscriber
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5/14/2008 12:02 AM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

I was thinking that was just so violent a spike that there had to be something about it, searched this down, maybe explains it?

Non-Borrowed Reserves: False Alarm
A number of people on Wall Street have noticed a recent plunge in non-borrowed reserves in the banking system and wondered it is a sign of distress in the banking system or of unusually stringent monetary policy. They dropped from $42 billion last November to negative $2 billion at the end of January.

It’s probably a false alarm, though. The drop is purely technical, a function of how the Fed has chosen to classify the money lent through its new Term Auction Facility.

Some background. All banks are required to hold some reserves in the form of either cash on deposit at the Fed or currency in their vaults. The Fed manages interest rates by increasing or decreasing these reserves. The Fed ordinarily does this through open market operations: It buys, usually temporarily, Treasury bonds and bills from dealers, and the funds get deposited in the dealers’ bank accounts at the Fed. That causes reserves to go up. Banks usually lend out anything in excess of their requirements, putting downward pressure on the federal-funds rate. Banks also obtain reserves by borrowing at the discount window, which often occurs if they fall short of their regulatory requirement.

According to economic theory, the Fed can target either the price (interest rate) or the quantity of reserves, but not both. Back when the Fed hated to admit it controlled interest rates, it targeted reserves. Since the amount banks borrowed from the discount window was somewhat beyond their control, they focused on reserves minus discount window borrowings, or “non-borrowed reserves.” In 1990, the Fed began to explicitly target the federal funds rate in one of its most important and least appreciated moves towards greater transparency. Since discount window loans were usually pretty small, total reserves and non-borrowed reserves were pretty close.

Last December, the Fed concluded that open market operations weren’t providing relief to some quarters of the interbank funding market and introduced the TAF. Like open market operations, the TAF enabled the Fed to lend a predetermined amount of funds to the banking system, with the interest rate at which they were lent determined through an auction process. But like the discount window, the money was lent directly to banks rather than primary dealers, and against a wide range of collateral rather than just Treasurys and agency securities. The TAF didn’t add to the money supply because for each dollar lent through the TAF the Fed was careful to liquidate a dollar of its holdings of Treasury bills and bonds to keep its overall balance sheet unchanged. But because the TAF is essentially discount window credit, the Fed decided to classify it as borrowed reserves.

As Michael Feroli of J.P. Morgan Chase explains, “Defining TAF funds as borrowed reserves is mostly a legal technicality that has allowed the Fed to be more creative in how they enter liquidity into the banking system. Economically, reserves created by repo operations (non-borrowed reserves) and those created by the TAF (borrowed reserves) are both funds lent by the Fed to the public against collateral.”

As it happens, in the last week of January TAF credit reached $50 billion. The amount of bank reserves the same week was only $48 billion. So, by definition, nonborrowed reserves, the difference, fell to negative $2 billion.

Mr. Feroli says: “The banking system is holding excess reserves — total reserves less those legally required — of between $1 to $2 billion,” roughly the “normal range seen over the last ten years… .The banking system certainly has its problems, however the notion that the recent data point to banks have trouble maintaining reserves stems from a superficial reading of the Fed’s statistical reports.” –Greg Ip

[link to blogs.wsj.com]
 Quoting: SHR



LOL. My old friend....

Of course JP Morgan is gonna step up to the plate and try and jawbone their way outta it. They ain't stupid. This concerns the psychology of crowds, the little guy believes the major banks are in trouble and you'll have good ole fashioned bank runs, ala Northern Rocks in the UK.

Can't have major banks runs in the US, we got guns man....



I stand by my position. The charts don't lie. US banks are INSOLVENT.
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups.
___Omega
_____________________________________________
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to change the system from within, yet too early to shoot the bastards.
__Claire Wolfe

_____________________________________

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act." - George Orwell
_____________________________________

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” John Stuart Mill
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 319912
5/14/2008 12:10 AM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

If the charts haven't been updated in like 5 months, why'd they decide to update them now?
SHR SubscriberModerator
Forum Administrator
5/14/2008 12:15 AM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

LOL. My old friend....

Of course JP Morgan is gonna step up to the plate and try and jawbone their way outta it. They ain't stupid. This concerns the psychology of crowds, the little guy believes the major banks are in trouble and you'll have good ole fashioned bank runs, ala Northern Rocks in the UK.

Can't have major banks runs in the US, we got guns man....

I stand by my position. The charts don't lie. US banks are INSOLVENT.
 Quoting: Omega

Hmmmm....makes me wonder why the dumbass fed would even put something like that out if if there was just basically a renaming of data, why wouldn't they just make a notation then and keep the stats steady?....if they were.......
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Then on with the change, it was simple but strange, and you knew the feeling seemed to say it all.
It cries for you. It's the least that you can do. Like a spiral on the wind.
I can hear it screaming in my mind...
RythymRing
User ID: 204994
5/14/2008 12:18 AM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

The O man tells it like it is. Hold on to your gold and silver cause we're in for one hell of a ride
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432524
5/14/2008 12:24 AM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

I have about 16,000 in a retirement account. Should I withdraw all of it? I'm wondering how much taxes would come out of it. I'll be 70 yrs old in Sept.

Anyone know or can give advise?

Thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 429245


If I were you, I'd read all the thread, read all the links ... and I'd take my money and run.

Good Luck :-)
Omega Subscriber
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5/14/2008 12:24 AM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

LOL. My old friend....

Of course JP Morgan is gonna step up to the plate and try and jawbone their way outta it. They ain't stupid. This concerns the psychology of crowds, the little guy believes the major banks are in trouble and you'll have good ole fashioned bank runs, ala Northern Rocks in the UK.

Can't have major banks runs in the US, we got guns man....

I stand by my position. The charts don't lie. US banks are INSOLVENT.

Hmmmm....makes me wonder why the dumbass fed would even put something like that out if if there was just basically a renaming of data, why wouldn't they just make a notation then and keep the stats steady?....if they were.......
 Quoting: SHR


My theory is not only are they mandated by law to do so, but this time around, at this specific moment in time, there are people watching...closely. Smart cats. I could probably name a few off the top of my head.......they all hold Doctorates in Economics. Not easily fooled.......

Then there is the theory some of the FED governors are pretty damn pissed-they leak stuff.


Word on the street is that JP Morgan/Bear Stearns deal is flat out illegal, the FED has no mandate at all to broker such a fucked up deal. Lawsuits are gonna fly. Stay tuned.
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups.
___Omega
_____________________________________________
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to change the system from within, yet too early to shoot the bastards.
__Claire Wolfe

_____________________________________

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act." - George Orwell
_____________________________________

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” John Stuart Mill
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432714
5/14/2008 12:24 AM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

what does this mean?

[link to research.stlouisfed.org]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430474
5/14/2008 12:30 AM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

It's all over but the crying folks. US banks are INSOLVENT. The Feds are backstopping them to prevent the end of the fucking world as you know it.


The boys over at the ticker tape forum are having a field day with this one.
 Quoting: Omega

You're one stupid hill billy fuckhead. Using your one chart explains the world logic, here's one for you from the same website.

[link to research.stlouisfed.org]

Notice how GNP is CONTINUING it's UPWARDS curve. Gee, assclown, I guess everything is fine then, isn't it?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 426989
5/14/2008 12:32 AM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

Guess who the FED is lending all this money to. That is the real scam in all of this. Hint. The majority of the money isn't going to FDIC institutions.... And also remember the FDIC institutions aren't the cause for the meltdown.

There is one reason and one reason only for the mortgage meltdown and it has nothing to do with FDIC banks.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 257955
5/14/2008 12:33 AM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

Can we link up to the tickertape forums on here?

Do you have any exciting links for them discussing these graphs Omega?

I'd love to see what those guys have to say about this.
mathetes
User ID: 327572
5/14/2008 12:36 AM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

It's all over but the crying folks. US banks are INSOLVENT. The Feds are backstopping them to prevent the end of the fucking world as you know it.



The boys over at the ticker tape forum are having a field day with this one.



fedcharton fedcharttw
 Quoting: Omega

Gulp! Omega that 1st chart looks like a cliff! The one the traders are going to jump off

Great post,as usual
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: John 11:25
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 426989
5/14/2008 12:37 AM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

It's all over but the crying folks. US banks are INSOLVENT. The Feds are backstopping them to prevent the end of the fucking world as you know it.


The boys over at the ticker tape forum are having a field day with this one.


You're one stupid hill billy fuckhead. Using your one chart explains the world logic, here's one for you from the same website.

[link to research.stlouisfed.org]

Notice how GNP is CONTINUING it's UPWARDS curve. Gee, assclown, I guess everything is fine then, isn't it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 430474



You're a fucking retard!!!! The US is holding the bag on 50-100 TRILLION dollars of debt, not to mention social security, medicare, and all other liabilities. And you have the nerve to pull that chart out of your ass????
Hell, they're probably holding the bag on your foreclosed loan. Schmuck!!!!
Omega Subscriber
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User ID: 355266
5/14/2008 12:38 AM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

It's all over but the crying folks. US banks are INSOLVENT. The Feds are backstopping them to prevent the end of the fucking world as you know it.


The boys over at the ticker tape forum are having a field day with this one.


You're one stupid hill billy fuckhead. Using your one chart explains the world logic, here's one for you from the same website.

[link to research.stlouisfed.org]

Notice how GNP is CONTINUING it's UPWARDS curve. Gee, assclown, I guess everything is fine then, isn't it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 430474


Bwhahahahhaa, thats all you gots clown??? Please explain to me. EXACTLY, how GNP will continue to rise when the US consumer is up to their ears in debt, upside down in a negative equity position on their homes, HELOC's cut off, the dollar crashing, and an inflationary environment????
fuck off idiot, I gots no time for punks with no clue.....
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups.
___Omega
_____________________________________________
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to change the system from within, yet too early to shoot the bastards.
__Claire Wolfe

_____________________________________

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act." - George Orwell
_____________________________________

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” John Stuart Mill
Matrix
User ID: 431104
5/14/2008 12:40 AM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

FIAT EMPIRE - Why the Federal Reserve Violates the U.S. Constitution

[link to video.google.com]

Ra's al Ghul
User ID: 431488
5/14/2008 12:40 AM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

Gentlemen, time to spread the word.

And the word is... panic!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 422790
5/14/2008 12:42 AM
Re: Take a peek at these two charts released from the FED today and tell me what you see.Quote

Tell us something we don't know. Fool. I thought you didn't educate for free. Idiot. Oh, that's right you're not educating, you're pointing out the obvious. Prick.
 Quoting: Solar Guy


Heh, day late and a dollar short.

Got to hand it to him though, nice cut and paste job, LOL.
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